Oregon D.O.G.E.

Recorded live at the Dorchester Conference in Welches, Oregon, this special long-form episode of Oregon Discussion features conversations with leaders, candidates, grassroots advocates, staff, authors, business voices, and young conservatives from across the state.This is not a normal episode. It is a full Dorchester special — a 6+ hour collection of conversations about Oregon’s future, the policy fights ahead, and the people stepping forward in an election year.Use the chapter markers to jump directly to the guest you want to watch.Guests featured in this episode:Amanda Staehely — Candidate for Oregon House District 18 Mark Fitz — Dorchester Conference Board Director | President, Star Oilco Darcey Edwards — Oregon State Representative, House District 31 Andrew Morrison — Candidate for Oregon House District 48 Stephanie Carkin — Candidate for Oregon House District 26 Taren Feist — Oregon State Director, Women for Gun Rights Angela Todd — Founder and Host, PDX Real Cliff Bentz — U.S. Representative, Oregon’s 2nd Congressional District Christine Drazan — Oregon State Senator | Candidate for Governor Ben West — Clackamas County Commissioner, Position 5 Brad Hicks — Candidate for Oregon Senate District 3 Jack Pitner — TPUSA Oregon Olivia Augustus — Intern, Oregon House Republican Caucus Ty Vizenor — Oregon House Republican Caucus Staff Lucetta Elmer — House Republican Leader | Oregon State Representative, HD 24 Jacob Vandever — Legislative Director, Oregon House Republicans Dennis Kneale — Author, Oregoners David Brock Smith — Oregon State Senator | Candidate for U.S. Senate Geoff Davis — Vice President, Davis Glass, Inc.Socialshttps://www.tiktok.com/@oregondiscussionhttps://www.facebook.com/p/Oregon-DOGE-61574156636517/https://www.instagram.com/oregondiscussion/https://x.com/ORDiscussionhttps://www.youtube.com/@OregonDiscussion00:00 – Dorchester Conference Special Intro02:12 – Mike McLane & Shelly Boshart-Davis Open the Episode21:44 – Mark Fitz: Dorchester, Fuel, and Oregon Business37:34 – Darcey Edwards: HD 31, Housing, and Swatting Laws56:42 – Amanda Staehely: HD 18, Agriculture, and Rural Oregon1:13:24 – Andrew Morrison: HD 48, Education and Public Safety1:33:08 – Stephanie Carkin: Construction, Permitting, and Cost of Living1:45:03 – Taren Feist: Women for Gun Rights and Grassroots Media2:05:00 – Angela Todd: PDX Real and Independent Civic Media2:43:06 – Cliff Bentz: Federal Spending and Congressional Leadership3:06:42 – Christine Drazan: Governor’s Race and Oregon’s Direction3:27:27 – Ben West: Clackamas County and Homelessness Policy3:39:32 – Brad Hicks: Southern Oregon Jobs and Business Climate3:58:50 – Jack Pitner: TPUSA Oregon and Campus Free Speech4:11:21 – Ty Vizenor & Olivia Augustus: Gen Z Inside the Legislature4:28:40 – Lucetta Elmer & Jacob Vandever: House Republican Strategy4:46:48 – Dennis Kneale: Oregoners and Oregon’s Policy Warning Signs5:30:34 – David Brock Smith: Government Efficiency and U.S. Senate Race6:18:36 – Geoff Davis: Business, Family, and Life Behind the Scenes6:26:29 – Final Reflections from Dorchester

This episode of Oregon Discussion examines Oregon’s Corporate Activity Tax and the Student Success Act. Lawmakers discuss education funding, business impacts, and whether increased spending has led to better results for students and communities.Website⁠https://oregondoge.com⁠X⁠https://x.com/TheOregonDOGE⁠Instagram⁠https://www.instagram.com/theoregondoge/⁠Facebook⁠https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61574156636517

Mike McLane and Shelly Boshart-Davis are joined by Angela Wilhelms of Oregon Business & Industry to discuss Oregon’s declining business climate, rising regulatory burden, and the policy choices shaping the state’s economy. This episode looks at jobs, taxes, spending, competitiveness, and what it would take to get Oregon back on track.Websitehttps://oregondoge.comFollow Oregon D.O.G.E.Xhttps://x.com/TheOregonDOGEInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/theoregondoge/Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61574156636517

This episode of Oregon D.O.G.E. focuses on public safety challenges across the state, including declining state police staffing, homelessness policy, and controversial legislation in Salem. Lawmakers discuss how these issues are impacting communities, businesses, and the future direction of Oregon policy.Websitehttps://oregondoge.comFollow Oregon D.O.G.E.Xhttps://x.com/TheOregonDOGEInstagramhttps://www.instagram.com/theoregondoge/Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61574156636517

Oregon ranks top-10 in education spending — but near the bottom in outcomes. In this episode, Senator Mike McLane, Representative Shelly Boshart Davis, and former State Representative Tracy Kramer examine why Oregon’s education system continues to fail students, sideline parents, and grow bureaucracy instead of improving results. From suspended graduation standards to rising absenteeism and administrative bloat, this conversation exposes what’s broken — and why accountability matters.Website → ⁠https://oregondoge.com⁠X → ⁠https://x.com/TheOregonDOGE⁠Facebook → ⁠https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61574156636517⁠Instagram → ⁠https://www.instagram.com/theoregondoge/⁠YouTube → ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@theoregondoge

Oregon’s Interstate Bridge replacement has surged to $13.6 billion — without expanding vehicle capacity. In this episode, lawmakers and industry experts examine the cost escalation, political gridlock, and economic risks of continued delay. Is leadership the missing ingredient?Website → ⁠https://oregondoge.com⁠X → ⁠https://x.com/TheOregonDOGE⁠Facebook → ⁠https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61574156636517⁠Instagram → ⁠https://www.instagram.com/theoregondoge/

Investigative journalist Jeff Eager joins Senator Mike McLane and Representative Shelly Boshart Davis to expose disturbing Medicaid allegations involving Oregon Health Plan reimbursements, criminal gang ties, and a lack of transparency from state agencies. This episode examines how millions of taxpayer dollars can move through Oregon’s Medicaid system with little oversight — and why accountability remains so hard to obtain.

Senator Mike McLane, Representative Shelly Boshart Davis, and Alex Lopez walk through Oregon’s fourth-quarter revenue forecast and the shocking budget-cut proposals coming from state agencies. From manufacturing job losses to population decline, FFA cuts, prison closure plans, and DEI programs protected while cybersecurity is slashed — this episode exposes the state’s real priorities and why Oregon’s crisis is self-inflicted, not imported.Website → https://oregondoge.comSocials → @TheOregonDOGE (X, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube)

Representative Shelly Boshart Davis hosts Senator Christine Drazan and Representative Lucetta Elmer for a deep dive into Oregon’s affordability crisis. They break down the state’s collapsing housing production, burdensome regulations, tax hikes, business flight, and the “disconnect” proposal that could raise taxes on tips and overtime. The discussion ends with a call for leadership change and voter-driven accountability.Website → ⁠https://oregondoge.com⁠Socials → @TheOregonDOGE on X, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube

Senator Mike McLane and Representative Shelly Boshart Davis talk with Greg Addington, Executive Director of the Oregon Farm Bureau, about Oregon’s war on agriculture — from the ag overtime crisis to the radical IP 28 animal-rights initiative and the Lane County “Watershed Bill of Rights.” Learn how Oregonians can defend their farms, food supply, and freedom.Website → https://oregondoge.comSocials → @TheOregonDOGE on X | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube

Oregon’s $4.3 billion “transportation package” raises gas taxes, DMV fees, and payroll taxes, but leaves roads crumbling. Senators Mike McLane and Bruce Starr, along with Rep. Shelly Boshart Davis, expose how Governor Tina Kotek has abandoned bipartisanship and how Oregonians can fight back through a statewide referendum.https://notaxor.com/https://stopthegastax.com/Website → ⁠https://oregondoge.com⁠Socials → @TheOregonDOGE on X | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube

Senator Mike McLane sits down with three members of Gen Z to talk about the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the culture war on Oregon campuses, and why faith, family, and freedom still matter. They explore cancel culture, housing costs, taxes, and how Oregon’s government is driving young people out of the state they love.Website → https://oregondoge.comSocials → @TheOregonDOGE on X | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Mike McLane and Daniel Bonham expose the ugly truth of Oregon’s 2025 session: gerrymandered maps, DEI waste at ODOT, $15M for illegal immigrant legal aid, climate change indoctrination in schools, and book ban hypocrisy. With unions cashing in and rural Oregon left behind, taxpayers are paying more for less. This episode is a must-listen for anyone concerned about fairness, accountability, and the future of Oregon.

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Mike McLane and Daniel Bonham reveal the ugly side of Oregon’s 2025 legislative session. From bloated DEI programs and fake “cuts budgets” to giveaways for striking unions and $15M for illegal immigrant legal aid, they expose how taxpayers are being squeezed while essential services crumble. Add in Oregon’s declining business climate and mass job losses, and the picture is clear: one-party rule is driving Oregon into a doom loop.

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Mike McLane and Leader Daniel Bonham unpack the 2025 legislative session’s biggest fights—blocking a $15B tax hike, repealing Oregon’s flawed wildfire risk maps, and exposing taxpayer funds being funneled into legal aid for illegal immigrants. With raw insight and hard facts, they reveal how one-party control and political games are shaping the state—and why resistance is far from futile.

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Mike McLane, Diane Linthicum, and Bruce Starr break down the largest tax increase in state history, without bipartisan support. From a ballooning gas tax to universal healthcare expansion, they expose how Oregon’s leadership is taxing families more while delivering less.Learn why working Oregonians are footing the bill for wasteful programs, how bipartisan negotiation has disappeared, and what can still be done to stop the bleeding.https://oregondoge.com/

Senators Mike McLane, Daniel Bonham, and David Brock Smith sit down with legal powerhouse John DiLorenzo to expose Oregon’s forestry crisis. Learn how secretive deals and the controversial Habitat Conservation Plan are stripping millions in revenue from rural schools and counties, while pushing the Oregon Department of Forestry into insolvency. This episode reveals the devastating consequences of forest mismanagement and why real reform is urgent for Oregon’s economy and environment.https://oregondoge.com/

Oregon ranks near the bottom in K-12 education, despite spending more than ever. In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Sen. Daniel Bonham, Rep. Christine Drazan, Rep. Boomer Wright, and Alex Lopez break down what’s gone wrong: too much bureaucracy, too little accountability, and misplaced priorities.From PERS costs eating school budgets to DEI programs with no measurable outcomes, this episode shows why Oregon’s education system is failing students — and what parents can do to fight back.

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Daniel Bonham, Mike McLane, and Bruce Starr, and Senate staffer Tanner Elliott expose Oregon’s “dirty laundry.” From the Capitol construction boondoggle to the Travel Oregon scandal, this conversation reveals just how far off track state spending has gone.They cover billions in cost overruns, delays, scope creep, and leadership failures across key agencies like ODOT, ODF, and the Governor’s office. If you've ever wondered where your tax dollars are going—and why Oregon can’t seem to build anything on time or on budget—this episode has answers.

Senators Mike McLane and Daniel Bonham join Rep. Werner Reschke and analyst Alex Lopez for a candid look at Oregon's rising expenditures on undocumented immigrants. With Healthier Oregon and housing grants taking a major chunk of the budget, they ask: Are the state’s priorities out of balance?From ICE controversy to legislative process breakdowns, this episode challenges listeners to rethink how Oregon allocates taxpayer dollars—and whether it’s time to demand a different approach.

Portland's economic decline is more than a headline—it's a cycle of policy failure and population loss that threatens the entire state. In this episode, Senators Daniel Bonham and Mike McLane unpack the data behind the “doom loop” and examine whether Oregon's largest city can pull itself out before it's too late. With insights from Dr. Michael Wilkerson’s presentation to the Senate, they explore how taxes, crime, regulation, and bad governance are driving residents and businesses away. A must-listen for anyone concerned about Oregon’s future.

Oregon has poured billions into tackling addiction and homelessness, but what do we have to show for it? In this episode, Senator Mike McLane is joined by Representative Darcy Edwards for a brutally honest discussion about where Oregon’s policies are failing, why “low-barrier” services don’t work, and how personal experience is shaping better solutions. With data, lived stories, and budget breakdowns, this is an unflinching look at Oregon’s crisis of compassion.https://oregondoge.com/

Oregon ranks near the bottom for law enforcement, yet crime is soaring and cartels are thriving. In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Rep. Jeff Helfrich, Rep. Alex Skarlatos, and Sen. Kim Thatcher discuss the consequences of Oregon’s soft-on-crime policies, sanctuary laws, and failures in public safety investment.Topics include:Oregon’s police shortage and cartel surgeIllegal marijuana operations and drug bustsClemency and parole failures under Gov. Kate BrownWhy TriMet is unsafe — and overfundedA roadmap for real reformIf you care about public safety, this is the episode you can’t afford to miss.

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Daniel Bonham, Mike McLane, and Rep. Werner Reschke break down the May 2025 economic forecast and expose the game being played in Salem.Despite record tax revenue and a doubling of the general fund over the last decade, Oregon’s majority party claims budget “shortfalls” and blames Trump tariffs. But the data — and the truth — tell a different story.This episode tackles media bias, mission creep, skyrocketing taxes, and what really caused Oregon to fall behind. If you’re tired of excuses and ready for accountability, this is a must-listen.https://oregondoge.com/the-budget-game/

This Oregon D.O.G.E. episode is a behind-the-scenes exposé on how laws are made — and twisted — in Salem. Senators Daniel Bonham, David Brock Smith, and Mike McLane reveal how placeholder bills, gut-and-stuff amendments, and quiet conflicts of interest dominate the state Capitol. From billions in untracked spending to sanctuary state fallout and legislative hypocrisy, this episode explains why Oregon's government feels so broken — and what it will take to fix it.

Oregon spends billions on housing — yet it’s ranked #1 in family homelessness and 45th in affordability. In this episode, Sen. Bruce Starr, Sen. Dick Anderson, and Rep. Vikki Breese-Iverson expose the state policies making housing worse, not better.From rigid land-use laws and red tape to costly prevailing wage mandates, they break down why Oregon can’t build — and what reforms are needed to get out of the crisis. If you care about home ownership, affordability, or urban growth policy, this is a must-listen.https://oregondoge.com/

In this hard-hitting episode, Senator Todd Nash and Rep. Jeff Helfrich join host Senator Mike McLane to challenge the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife’s policies, budget, and growing disconnect from rural Oregon. From personal wolf attacks on cattle to ballooning DEI spending, this episode exposes what happens when bureaucrats manage wildlife from Portland and ranchers are left paying the price. If you care about hunting, fishing, land use, or rural survival, don’t miss this episode. https://oregondoge.com/

Dorchester Day 2 captures the heart of Oregon’s conservative resurgence. From school board moms to Turning Point campus warriors, Sen. Daniel Bonham and Sen. Mike McLane sit down with everyday Oregonians leading the fight to reclaim their communities.This episode features stories of courage, organizing, and rising stars who are changing Oregon one voice, one vote, and one local campaign at a time.https://oregondoge.com/

In this special episode, the Oregon D.O.G.E. podcast heads to the legendary Dorchester Conference in Welch’s, Oregon. Host Sen. Mike McLane and guests from every corner of Oregon’s conservative movement dive into what’s working, what’s broken, and what comes next.From state senators and GOP national committee members to grassroots organizers and pro-life leaders, this episode captures the energy, frustration, and strategy of Oregon’s Republicans as they seek to take back control of their state’s future.

Senator Daniel Bonham sits down with Representative Anna Scharf and Senator Diane Linthicum to explore the growing crisis in Oregon agriculture. From labor laws and regulatory overreach to shrinking farmland and struggling farmers, this episode digs deep into the policies that are reshaping (and arguably dismantling) the state’s farming industry. If you care about local food, family farms, or economic sustainability, tune in. This conversation gets to the root of Oregon’s ag problems. https://oregondoge.com/

Is Oregon’s youth justice system protecting anyone?In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Sen. Mike McLane, Rep. Jeff Helfrich, and Mack Smith examine the collapse of the Oregon Youth Authority. With 3,000+ ignored abuse complaints, DEI-influenced hiring gone wrong, and a $51 million lawsuit pending, the system meant to protect vulnerable kids is now under fire from all sides.Topics covered:How DEI duties took precedence over abuse investigationsInternal concerns ignored for yearsA director fired too late—and accountability still lackingOregon’s lack of independent investigative oversight$550M in funding—and almost no transparency🎧 Listen now on your favorite platform or visit oregondoge.com

Oregon’s Department of Human Services (DHS) now commands over $22 billion every two years. But with that size comes dysfunction.In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., host Senator Daniel Bonham is joined by Senator Diane Linthicum, Rep. Ed Diehl, and analyst Alex Lopez to examine whether DHS is still serving Oregonians—or just expanding itself.🎯 Topics covered:14.2% budget increase while rural Oregon is still ignored62,000 pages of regulation confusing providers and familiesMillions in DEI spending, lawsuits, and leadership bloatA billion spent on non-citizen coverage, while veterans wait$155M unionization effort with zero added caregiversA foster care system failing kids while spending skyrocketsLawmakers ask: Is this about people—or policy gone rogue?🎧 Full episode + links at oregondoge.com

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., lawmakers dig into one of Oregon’s most powerful and controversial agencies: the Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ).Senator Daniel Bonham, Rep. Greg Smith, and Senator David Brock Smith walk through:DEQ’s $800M+ budget, with 42% based on regulatory fees8,200+ pages of rules, many created without legislative approvalA federal DEI lawsuit that could cost Oregon millionsHow DEQ’s policies drive up energy, construction, and consumer costsOregon’s Climate Protection Program, and the nonprofit funneling climate money with ties to political activismWhether it’s zero-emission mandates, shrinking business incentives, or runaway bureaucracy, lawmakers ask: Who’s holding DEQ accountable?🎧 Listen now and learn more at oregondoge.com

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., host Sen. Daniel Bonham sits down with fellow Republican lawmakers from across the state for a candid conversation about their lives, values, and legislative goals.Guests include:Sen. Diane LinthicumSen. Todd NashSen. Noah RobinsonSen. David Brock SmithSen. Mike McLaneSen. Bruce StarrTopics covered:Why these senators stepped into public serviceThe emotional toll of leadership and personal lossBudget battles, regulatory overreach, and federal funding cliffsPortland’s decline, rural Oregon’s frustrations, and what comes nextWhether you’re tuned in for policy or personality, this episode will give you a deeper understanding of the people trying to move Oregon forward.🎧 Listen now at oregondoge.com

Is Oregon’s healthcare system helping people, or just burning cash?In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., we dive into the Oregon Health Authority’s surging $39B budget, bureaucratic bloat, and scandals involving misused mental health grants, stalled patient care, and lawsuits from counties.Topics include:A $1B program for undocumented careOHA’s 256-person, $55M Equity DivisionPatients are being asked for $4K upfront despite having insuranceWhy Oregon ranks last in hospital beds per capitaNurses paid top-3 nationwide—but staffing remains blockedState and county lawsuits over addiction fundingWith guests Senator Suzanne Weber and Rep. Ed Diehl, this episode is a wake-up call about transparency, priorities, and the future of healthcare in Oregon.🎧 Listen now and explore more at oregondoge.com

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Daniel Bonham and Mike McLane tackle the Bureau of Labor and Industries (BOLI), one of Oregon’s most powerful and expensive state agencies. With ballooning budgets, case backlogs, and rising controversy, lawmakers ask: Is BOLI serving Oregonians or just expanding? We also dive into the political and financial implications of prevailing wage laws, nonprofit housing projects, and policy-driven cost increases that are pushing young Oregonians out of the state. Tune in for straight talk on accountability, affordability, and the future of public agencies in Oregon.

Oregon’s roads are failing—but the Department of Transportation says they need more money. In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Daniel Bonham and Bruce Starr and Representative Shelly Boshart Davis expose the truth behind ODOT’s $6 billion budget, the $1.1 billion “forecasting error” that went unnoticed for months, and how mission creep and wasteful priorities are breaking the system.We talk snowplow shortages, ADA ramp cost overruns, “curb cuts to nowhere,” and the billions being funneled into non-core programs like DEI and bike lanes—while the roads fall apart.It’s a must-hear conversation for anyone who’s ever asked: What is government really supposed to do with my taxes?🎧 theoregondoge.com/podcast

Oregon passed bold legislation to ensure hospitals provide financial assistance to low-income patients. But is it working?In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senator Mike McLane and Representative Jeff Helfrich talk with Dollar For founder Jared Walker and actor/director Joel David Moore about Oregon’s charity care laws, the impact of hospital bureaucracy, and the role nonprofits play in holding the system accountable.Discover how Dollar For is helping Oregonians access financial aid, why hospitals resist implementation, and how this model could reduce medical debt nationwide.https://dollarfor.org/🎧 Stream the full episode on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and at theoregondoge.com

In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Daniel Bonham, Mike McLane, and David Brock Smith break down Oregon’s staggering $140 billion budget. With Health and Human Services taking up 45% of state spending, and new fees and taxes expanding under agency rulemaking, the episode asks: Is this sustainable?They also rank Oregon’s performance in education, affordability, and federal dependency, and spotlight how taxpayer money is often diverted to questionable programs with little oversight.This is a must-listen for Oregonians who want transparency, efficiency, and accountability in their state government.🎧 Stream now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or at theoregondoge.com

Oregon’s tax burden isn’t just about income tax. In this episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senators Daniel Bonham and Mike McLane join Representative Greg Smith for a candid, eye-opening discussion on the hidden taxes and fees driving up the cost of living in Oregon.From property and estate taxes to the controversial corporate activity tax, paddleboard fees, and the threat to Oregon’s Kicker refund, they explore how layer upon layer of taxation is hurting working families, small businesses, and rural communities.Learn how Oregon compares nationally, why some businesses and retirees are leaving the state, and what lawmakers can do to restore balance and accountability.🎧 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube & more.📍 For more info: theoregondoge.com

In Episode 2 of Oregon D.O.G.E., Senator Mike McLane, Senate Republican Leader Daniel Bonham, and House Republican Leader Christine Drazan expose the unchecked power of Oregon’s administrative state. With over 40,000 rules now outpacing the number of state laws, unelected agencies are creating costly regulations that impact Oregonians without direct legislative oversight.From hidden fees and taxes to overreaching mandates from agencies like DEQ and OSHA, this episode breaks down how government bloat is driving up costs and limiting economic freedom.Subscribe to Oregon D.O.G.E. to stay informed on Oregon’s biggest policy battles.

In the debut episode of Oregon D.O.G.E., host Senator Mike McLane sits down with Senate Republican Leader Daniel Bonham and House Republican Leader Christine Drazan to break down Oregon’s budget crisis. With a $36 trillion national debt and Oregon’s heavy reliance on federal funding, what happens when that money starts to dry up?This episode covers wasteful spending, increasing taxes, and the growing financial challenges facing the state. The conversation highlights how government inefficiency is leading Oregon toward a budget reckoning—and what can be done to fix it.📢 Topics Covered:Oregon’s expanding budget and reliance on federal dollarsThe national debt crisis and its impact on state fundingExamples of wasteful spending, like the $1 million Bias HotlineHow excessive spending could lead to higher taxes for OregoniansThe need for government efficiency and fiscal responsibility🎙 Subscribe to Oregon D.O.G.E. on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and more. Stay informed on how government policies impact Oregonians and what can be done to ensure a financially sustainable future.Visit www.OregonDOGE.com for more information.