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Super Random Things with those Sisters
by Kimberly Leetch
Join the sisters as they share thoughts on a variety of super random things, inevitably leading to deeper conversations about life, healing, and how they choose to show up in this complex world. Michelle is an amazing mother, neuroscientist, and humanist who juggles sisterhood, friendship, and her journey as an immigrant and medical survivor with unstoppable grace. As a steadfast ally across multiple spectra and a proud American Canadian, Michelle’s warmth and wisdom light up every room she enters. Kimberly is a free-spirited mom of extraordinary, high medical and special needs kids, blending her roles as artist, writer, and content creator with boundless compassion and intuition. A devoted sister and humanitarian, she dreams big, leads with heart, and brings her entrepreneurial spark to every creative adventure.
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I Will Never Forgive You (Yet)!
Forgiveness Isn’t a Hallmark Card: Anger, Accountability, and Why “Just Forgive” Is a Trap Sisters Michelle and Kimberly, raised in the church, unpack why forgiveness still gives them the emotional equivalent of a sour stomach. They start with a teenhood scandal: a pastor arrested for abusing kids, and their own pastor basically speed-running forgiveness from the pulpit. Then they jump to a murder trial of a colleague’s daughter, where forgiveness is framed as slow, internal work meant to drop the rage-boulder—not to let perpetrators off the hook. They call out the cultural confusion: forgiveness isn’t absolution, and it’s not the same as justice, consequences, or accountability. You can forgive and still want prison. You can forgive and still cut someone off. They argue it’s fine to not be ready, and that churchy “forgive by Tuesday at 9” is often just stuffing emotions down like a bad casserole. Forgiveness is a messy, cyclical process, not an event, and they tie transactional religious forgiveness—and even misogyny—to why people keep mixing forgiveness with consequences.
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I'm Spiritual, Not Scientific
Tree-Huggers, Secret Mantras, and the God-in-Your-Gut DebateSisters Kimberly and Michelle finally pick a fight (lovingly) about spirituality. It’s hard, because they agree on almost everything else. They start with childhood: basically raised at a mainstream Protestant church, like it was a second address. Then: 1970s Bay Area spiritual weirdness (said with affection). They were surrounded by new age books, including Dianetics, which they later realize could’ve gone very sideways. They remember learning Transcendental Meditation before age 10. Secret mantra drama. Spoiler: the “secret” was "Ing." They reminisce about dad-led guided meditations: sinking through a rainbow, building lifelong “safe places,” and a waterfall visualization for poison oak misery. Dad also trained as a hypnotherapist and used it for allergies and more, and... even more! They revisit ESP tests, aura lore, scrying crystals, kitchen rainbow prisms, “pyramid power” banana experiments, and literal tree-hugging. They cap it with a bigger clash: science-proof vs divinity-within. Do we see better with our eyes or our intuition? What is the soul? Michelle acknowledges neuroscience can’t yet bind together brain activity and what Kimberly calls "soul."
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F*ck Your Beauty Standards!
Pride, Vanity & the Politics of Looking Hot: Jewelry, Gray Hair, and Why Women’s Sizes Are a Scam Sisters Michelle and Kimberly weigh in on the supposedly “shallow” stuff—jewelry, hair, clothes, lipstick—and end up knee-deep in the politics of who gets to feel pretty and why. One even starts wearing jewelry again (blame TikTok and sibling envy). They unpack what motherhood quietly steals (hello, practical patterns for hiding spit-up stains) and what they’re taking back now that they’re not living in t-shirts and survival mode. They detour into office dress codes, high heels, fleece-lined leggings, and why “men repellents” lists can take several seats. They insist compliments should be about choices, not bodies, and they even propose drive-by compliments with zero expectation of a response. Can you call a baby cute without accidentally ruining society? Must you? From there: gray hair pride, ageism in Hollywood, Victoria’s Secret’s “only beautiful women” mess, plus-size fashion being unfairly ugly, and the psychological warfare of women’s sizing (XXL is not 2X, and yes, it’s enraging). They close by calling “vanity” a misogynistic label (everything always comes back around to misogyny), and they reclaim it as confidence.
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There's a Target on Target
Boycott Target (and Amazon): How to Resist with Your Dollars Without Losing Your Mind City sisters Kimberly and Michelle (Minneapolis and Montreal) unpack what happens when ICE uses Target parking lots as a staging ground, and allows ICE to abduct Target employees on Target property—and Target shrugs. The result: boycotts, protests, and the kind of petty genius only a fed-up community can produce (yes, the salt returns). From there, they get practical and pointed: if you can’t risk arrest or tear gas, you can still resist by withholding and rerouting your money, because nothing gets corporate attention like a threatened bottom line. They swat down the tired “DEI hurt us” storyline, and demand the billionaire class begin offering living wages and real accountability. They pose a challenge: collective action for the working class is a long atrophied muscle—one America has to rebuild. While you're at it, you can also clean up your news diet with a well-rounded plate of news sources including Ground News, Ad Fontes, and other more centrist and non-U.S. outlets. They end with permission to be imperfect: do what you can, let it sting (just a little), and, if it keeps you sane, keep your Netflix (because Bridgerton, duh!).
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I'm Just So #@*!# Angry!
Permission to Be Angry: From ‘Keep Sweet’ to Speaking UpSisters Kimberly and Michelle are just so effing mad because they're not allowed to be angry. At least, they discuss struggling to express anger safely and why they instinctively suppress it. They link that pattern to conditioning around women’s emotions, people pleasing, fear of losing control, and concern about affecting others—especially their highly sensitive sons. They explore physical, nonviolent outlets for anger (walking, screaming in the car, shoveling snow, punching bags). They point out how suppression can lead to dysregulation and addictions. Maybe instead of extremes of “keep sweet” and rage, they could find a middle ground so they can find and use their voices when anger is justified (e.g., being belittled in an auto shop or advocating in a hospital). They express discomfort (okay, they're pissed) that there's a double standard in how men and women are perceived when angry. In the end, they conclude there are appropriate times, places, and ways in which to express anger.
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Just Try Harder, Bitch!
Stop Trying So Damn Hard: Try Different (Self-Love, Parenting, and Busting Beauty Standards) Sisters Michelle and Kimberly argue that “try harder” is BS, and that lasting change comes from trying differently. They do this by identifying root causes of terrible habits and by reframing goals. As an example, at the heart of Kimberly's chronic lateness was self-dislike and massive avoidance issues. Perhaps you find yourself stuck with overpacked schedules and overachieving flights of fancy. To truly build a life you want, you have to change your mindset and your behaviors. They take a dip into kiddom, confessing unintended modeling for kids and fish-flopping homework struggles. A shift in mindset prompted by a creative teacher made all the difference as they offered accommodations mom never thought of. They complain that schools today are too cookie-cutter. They wish individualized education plans were available for every student, not just the ones displaying delays or behaviors. The conversation sharply critiques beauty standards and laments the lifelong weight-loss narrative that has shaped too many young girls and women. They wonder whether new GLP-1 drugs will only shift the focus of weight shame. Michelle shares her experience living with type 1 diabetes, including how better technology has helped make sugar highs the exception, not the norm. How do you find intrinsic motivation to make a life change? You might save more money by clarifying your “why.” Considering barriers such as tics, menopause, and trauma, weight-loss as a primary goal seems futile. You might attain better health and happiness by resisting the temptation to make weight-loss a primary goal. Instead, focus on manageable habits like walking.
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The Man-child-osphere Is Cooked!
A breakdown of Louis Theroux’s documentary, Inside the Manosphere: Grifters, Baby Men, and the Last Gasp of Patriarchy Kimberly and Michelle unpack Louis Theroux’s documentary on the manosphere and why it lands as both unsettling and oddly funny. They argue it’s not a classic hit piece—Theroux stays disarming, asks gentle questions, and lets the influencers unravel on their own. The sisters break down “red pill” talk, and how the messaging and the constant contradictions keep followers hooked. They point to the grift driving the rage bait--MLM-style promises selling coaching, “financial advice,” and fitness products. The manosphere is dripping with performative wealth, paranoia, misogyny, and homophobia. The women in the manosphere are treated like props and property but seem to be fully aware of the grift, even often playing along for clout. Born out of trauma, entitlement, and the rise of social media, the manosphere appears to be a neon sign of patriarchy’s extinction burst. While the desperation of these men to hang on to power is comical, there is a sobering truth: young boys are watching. Real-life adults must step up to be the counter-influence.
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Some Things We Don't Hate about Some (Not All) Men
Single, Unbothered, and Secretly Turned On by… Bow Ties, Books, and Big Boy Panties Sisters Michelle and Kimberly swap a growing list of non-sexual things men that they find sexy: an untied bow tie at the end of the night, carrying a bouquet of flowers upside down, brushing hair from a woman’s face in the rain. They share stories about the aggressiveness of a man in a Taco Bell sitting catty corner, and complain about holey shirts and underwear. (They even share their preferences about men’s underwear. Shhhh.) The conversation shifts to physical and psychological safety, dating after divorce, “quietly quitting” marriages, and how growing up in purity culture shaped their lives. It gets spicy as they give a hot take on booty calls in the workplace. Maybe don't listen in public.
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Why Are People Afraid of Loud, Powerful Women?
Making 'Boastful, ‘Nagging,’ and ‘Not Very Humble’ a Badge of Honor Sisters Michelle and Kimberly unpack how everyday systems and language push women into limiting roles, starting with a Canadian CAA application that only offers “Mr.” or “Mrs.” instead of “Dr.” They discuss how the old, linear life script (school, marriage, kids, retirement) functioned as oppression and how women are still punished for being “loud” while men are praised as leaders. They critique gendered labels like nagging, spinster, bitter, ball-and-chain, and the double standards around audacity. They argue that internalized misogyny often limits women as much as external misogyny. Through stories from male-dominated workplaces, their mother’s so-called “kerfuffle,” and experiences with dating and safety, they explore why women apologize for taking up space. They propose replacing negative words used to describe women with empowering language that allows women to take control of their awesomeness. They also describe a cultural flashpoint in relationships as women seek partnerships that add to their lives while also desiring to add to a partner's. Some men push back, and U.S. legislation and policies are being proposed that increase women’s dependence and entrapment. They conclude with a call for men to value powerful, audacious women.
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Will the Kids Ever Learn?
Let Them Mess It Up: Teaching Adult Kids How to Do Adulting in 2026 Moms Kimberly and Michelle talk about how kids learn best by doing things badly first. It starts in a Montreal supermarket. A mittened munchkin slowly unloads a tiny “future client” training cart while an impatient shopper complains. They agonize over teaching (and often failing to teach) real-life skills like cooking, cleaning, laundry, wrapping gifts, budgeting, and basic car care. Kimberly tells about a weeklong “adulting bootcamp” she put each of her kids through. It covered how to adult and why they do what they do. They compare stepping in during emergencies while also letting kids practice, mess up, and learn hands-on. They mention learning from TikTok and YouTube, but argue nothing replaces the wisdom of a parent. They also address dating, consent, and gender dynamics. They criticize parents over-functioning for young adults. They reflect on how the old life path doesn’t fit 2026 because this world makes financial independence and social interdependence harder. They end with hope for the next generation.
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The Wealth Hoarding Epstein Class
Epstein Files, Billionaire Power and Abuses, and the Breaking Point: Where Do We Go from Here? Michelle and Kimberly wrestle with a sense of powerlessness and anger over revelations tied to the Epstein files, describing an “awakening” to what they are seeing is a vast network of ultra-wealthy people wielding power with impunity. They argue the abuse is not only about sex crimes but about domination, insatiable greed, and the thrill of getting away with the most taboo acts, extending into politics, the economy, propaganda, and public health. They connect the elite's blood lust to vaccine disinformation and rising measles outbreaks, framing it as another way powerful actors can cause preventable deaths while mocking accountability. They cite Pam Bondi’s Senate hearing comments about “no credible evidence” as part of a broader strategy of psychological warfare meant to make the public feel helpless. The conversation expands into fears that exploitation networks didn’t end with Epstein but simply moved, and into a wider critique of American systems: obscene wealth and “wealth hoarding,” corporate extraction of labor, racism and misogyny, policing’s origins in slave catching, ICE abuses, and historic failures of accountability after the Civil War and WWII. They debate what accountability should look like without themselves becoming authoritarian—shunning and refusing to grant positions of power versus dehumanizing reprisals—while acknowledging deep hatred and grief, fractured families, and the possibility of a societal “break” or even secession-style outcomes. Ultimately they emphasize holding extremists accountable within existing civic systems (votes, hiring, school boards, where money is spent), increasing women and people of color in leadership, rejecting normalization of corruption, and focusing on community-level healing—especially supporting immigrants and vulnerable neighbors—while admitting that “healing MAGA” may not be work they can personally do right now.
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Has the Tech Outpaced Us?
Has the tech outpaced our ability to keep up with it in our 50s? Join our hilarious journey as we tackle the learning curve of modern tech! We dive into the trials of setting up an Apple Watch, reminisce about clunky Blackberries, and navigate the joys and frustrations of evolving technology in our daily lives. From the black, blank DOS box to the Terminator-like, humanity-threatening potential of AI, we have opinions! Tune in for a blend of nostalgia, laughs, and insightful discussions on how technology shapes our world and where it's heading. Spoiler: We might even solve the ‘Google Machine’ mystery and talk about the comforting sound of typewriters!
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We've Always Done It That Way!
Traditions: Letting Go and Starting AnewToday Michelle and Kimberly dive into the evolution of family traditions, especially during major life transitions like moving to a new country or after a divorce. Listen in as we share personal stories from cinnamon rolls on Christmas morning to cozy autumn apple picking. We'll explore the reasons why some traditions stick while others fade, and recognize the balance between holding onto cherished memories and embracing new ones. Join us for a thoughtful discussion on making meaningful traditions that capture the joy and magic all celebratory seasons without the burden of obligation!
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Resistance & Revolution
A conversation on the occupation of Minneapolis and how we move forward Kimberly and Michelle explore a thought-provoking TikTok by AJ Hawkins, a content creator focused on grief and transformative change. AJ presents seven archetypes of roles necessary for social change and revolution. Inspired by this, the speakers discuss the challenges and importance of each role, emphasizing community engagement and nonviolent protest. They reflect on the necessity of shifting spending habits away from large corporations to support local businesses, fostering grass root efforts, and contemplating broader societal changes. The conversation underscores the importance of collective action, proactive disruption, and rethinking how individuals can contribute to a systemic overhaul for a better future. Thank you to AJ Hawkins for inspiring our conversation with a framework for finding our place in the revolution! TikTok post was included in full with the permission of AJ Hawkins. https://www.tiktok.com/@ajhawkinsx https://linktr.ee/shop_kalma
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Am I More than a Mom?
Reforming Identity after the Role of Mom We share our journeys of remaking our personal identities while navigating the complex roles of motherhood. We look at maintaining autonomy, evolving from mom-centric identities, and embracing new phases of life as our children grow independent. How do we balance professional lives, blossom through life's transitions, and give ourselves time and space for self-care? How do we let go of certain traditions? How do we show our kids our vulnerabilities, flaws, and personhood? We look at how we might better cultivate and embrace who we truly are outside of our roles as mothers.
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There's Just No Pleasing You Anymore!
Delve into the journey from being a people-pleaser to embracing authenticity and self-care. Kimberly and Michelle share personal stories about learning to set boundaries, recognizing red flags in relationships, and prioritizing their own needs without guilt or excessive explanation. The discussion covers scenarios at work, social interactions, and personal relationships, analyzing the impact of people-pleasing behaviors and offering practical advice on cultivating a healthier, more authentic approach to life. Join them as they explore how to reclaim one's identity and invest time in meaningful relationships and self-discovery.
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We're Bologna in a Caregiving Sandwich
In this heartfelt episode, Kimberly and Michelle discuss the challenges and emotional complexities of managing their aging parents' finances, health, and daily lives, both from nearby and from a distance. They share personal anecdotes about taking over subscriptions, navigating power of attorney, and the guilt of not living nearby. The conversation also touches on the improvement in senior care facilities and the pivotal role of technology and senior moving services in alleviating some of the burdens. The siblings reflect on the transition from being cared for to becoming caregivers, and the importance of community and empathy in this transformative journey.
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I'm Not a Perfectionist, You're a Perfectionist!
We dive deep into how we've battled being perfectionists and how much better life is when we embrace our imperfections. We discuss the unrealistic standards and external conditioning that lead us to strive for flawlessness, often at the expense of our well-being and authenticity. Through personal anecdotes and reflective conversations, we explore how to redefine perfection, embrace our unique processes and imperfections, and shift the narrative to celebrate our true selves. Join us for a candid discussion on letting go of the fear of failure, the importance of self-compassion, and the significance of embracing our authentic selves in a world that pressures us to be perfect.
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Green Flags Exposed!
We delve into the concept of emotional maturity and its critical role in forming healthy relationships. Discussing green flags, essential traits that indicate a positive, supportive partnership. We cover topics like emotional availability, empathy, the ability to handle one's partner's emotions, and more. We explore the importance of non-sexual affection, domestic skills, and having interests or hobbies. Join us as we identify the qualities that contribute to fulfilling relationships and how cultural shifts are paving the way for emotionally mature connections. Whether in romantic relationships, friendships, or family dynamics, understanding these green flags can lead to more meaningful and supportive bonds.
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Red Flags Exposed!
We delve deep into the pervasive issue of gaslighting and the broader context of not believing women's lived experiences. Drawing from a TikTok anecdote, the conversation explores the roots and manifestations of gaslighting, referencing the origin of the term from the 1944 film 'Gaslight.' The discussion extends to societal conditioning, the importance of believing women, and the subtle and overt ways women are often undermined. Personal stories of red flags in relationships, love bombing, and the harsh consequences of enduring toxic behaviors feature prominently, offering a raw and honest look at the challenges and the path to empowerment. Join us as we navigate these critical conversations and advocate for recognizing and responding to manipulation, misogyny, and emotional abuse.
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Does Anyone Even Manifest Anymore?
Sisters Kimberly and Michelle delve into their contrasting journeys of manifestation through the unique lenses of science and religion. One a scientist, one a theologian, they discover profound insights on critical thinking, manifestation, and personal growth. They explore how beliefs and scientific perspectives influence their view of the world and discuss the importance of having control over one's life choices. As they share personal anecdotes and philosophical reflections, they highlight the power of perspective in shaping one's life experience and the process of manifestation through intentionality and action.
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Not Another Damn Podcast!
In this heartfelt and insightful first episode, sisters Kimberly and Michelle introduce themselves as they discuss their unique parenting journeys, the joys and challenges of raising children, and their paths to personal fulfillment. Kimberly shares her experience as a mother of four, including her decision to adopt her foster son, James. Michelle recounts her story of becoming a mother later in life and her move from San Francisco to Montreal for a better pace of life. Both sisters emphasize the importance of intentional parenting and being present for moments of joy. They also touch on their professional journeys, from corporate America to self-employment, balancing work and family life, and the importance of continuous learning and self-growth. Join them as they explore the significance of embracing life’s experiences, both joyful and challenging.
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Super Random Things with those Sisters Trailer
Join sisters Michelle and Kimberly as they share thoughts on a variety of super random things, inevitably leading to deeper conversations about life, healing, and how they choose to show up in this complex world. Michelle is an amazing mother, neuroscientist, and humanist who juggles sisterhood, friendship, and her journey as an immigrant and medical survivor with unstoppable grace. As a steadfast ally across multiple spectra and a proud American Canadian, Michelle’s warmth and wisdom light up every room she enters. Kimberly is a free-spirited mom of extraordinary, high medical and special needs kids, blending her roles as artist, writer, and content creator with boundless compassion and intuition. A devoted sister and humanitarian, she dreams big, leads with heart, and brings her entrepreneurial spark to every creative adventure.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Join the sisters as they share thoughts on a variety of super random things, inevitably leading to deeper conversations about life, healing, and how they choose to show up in this complex world. Michelle is an amazing mother, neuroscientist, and humanist who juggles sisterhood, friendship, and her journey as an immigrant and medical survivor with unstoppable grace. As a steadfast ally across multiple spectra and a proud American Canadian, Michelle’s warmth and wisdom light up every room she enters. Kimberly is a free-spirited mom of extraordinary, high medical and special needs kids, blending her roles as artist, writer, and content creator with boundless compassion and intuition. A devoted sister and humanitarian, she dreams big, leads with heart, and brings her entrepreneurial spark to every creative adventure.
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