The AP Strange Show

This week, comic creator and teacher Bobby Campbell returns to the show for a wide-ranging chat about Discordianism, Maybe Logic, and navigating the strange and often scary world we find ourselves in now. Bobby has been working on a comic book adaptation of the classic Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea novel series Illuminatus!, with issue number 3 on the way and a collected volume this summer. In conversation on this episode, he and AP cover a lot of ground; everything from the study of psychedelics as medicine to the encroachment of AI to the life and theories of Wilhelm Reich are discussed! In a fun and freewheeling chat, he and AP attempt to offer optimistic visions of holistic approaches to systemic issues that affect all of us. They also discuss creativity, the pitfalls of social media for promoting and distribution of art, and the value of in-person events and interactions.Check out Bobby's Tales of Illuminatus series (and other fun projects) here: https://talesofilluminatus.com/

This week, singer-songwriter Mark Winters joins AP to discuss protons, poetry, and positivity as he continues his Good Vibes Highway Tour along the Pacific Coast. Having a bit of an unconventional background for a touring musician, he discusses his journey from an interest in science and a career in aerospace engineering to the creative endeavors he came to enjoy, which culminated in several albums full of his own songs. This leads to an interesting discussion about the nature of creativity, how curiosity and scientific inquiry are related to artistic impulses, and the various ways one can apply their intellect.The underlying message in Mark's music and creative output is one of positivity, and in the episode he talks about using the proton as a symbol for the good vibes he hopes to engender. Throughout the show there's discussion about everything from learning how to sing to Einstein's daydreams, the importance of frequencies and vibrations, and more!Check out Mark's music here: https://markwintersmusic.com/

This week, Virgo Blade joins AP in a Third Time's the Charm (3xtC) discussion about the third Batman movie, Batman Forever- but, considering the rich cultural history around the character of Batman and his hometown with its resident Rogue's Gallery of villains, it became a great discussion of the DC Comics property more broadly. Virgo was the perfect guest to discuss the Dark Knight with; as a scriptwriter and content creator who spends a lot of time discussing comic books and associated media, his particular affinity for the Caped Crusader (and the Boy Wonder) made him an ideal choice for the chat.Discussion begins with Batman Forever, from its cast and direction to it's general aesthetic and questionable costume choices. From there the conversation quickly expands to cover various permutations and incarnations of the denizens of Gotham's underworld, through various media and time periods. Virgo gets into the dynamics of some of these iconic characters, their motivations, and how they've been interpreted over the years. Comparisons are made between the darker, more realistic versions of the heroes and villains in Gotham and the campy flip side of them, exemplified well in the third movie. Also discussed are the.ways comic book narratives mirror our world, how these stories can help us contextualize the madness of the modern day, and how we might save our own proverbial Gotham Cities. Follow Virgo Blade on TikTok, Instagram, or BlueSky to keep up to date on the movies and comics he covers!

This week, writer, researcher, and "strange claims adjustor" Sharon A. Hill joins AP for a wide-ranging discussion about those curious specimens called cryptids- what they are, how we define them, and how stories about them define us. Sharon approaches cryptozoology from an academic perspective, and is at once skeptical and simultaneously sympathetic to reported zoological anomalies. The interview begins with a bit about her background, what draws her to the study of highly strange claims, and the various approaches she has taken toward such subjects in over two decades of writing about them. In particular, the role of science is discussed as it pertains to investigation, and the distinction is made between scientific inquiry and what Hill calls "scientifical" methods. This leads to a broader discussion of skepticism, and the pitfalls of disbelief.From there they get into a wild sampling of cryptozoological oddities and narratives, from the changing definition of the term "cryptid" itself to festivals based on the mystery creatures and more. They talk about concerning trends of associating the creatures with tragic events as well as exploitation of cultural legends as well, and if that's not enough also discuss recent revelations about the Patterson Gimlin Film and what it says about the state of Bigfootery in our current cultural landscape.Be sure to check out Sharon's prolific body of writing here: https://sharonahill.com/

This week, SMiles Lewis joins AP for a wide-ranging discussion about fringe and conspiracy narratives and the ways in which many of these ideas have mutated as they have made their way into mainstream culture. SMiles is the founder of Anomaly Archives, a Texas-based collection of over 7000 titles related to UFOs, parapsychology, and other unexplained phenomena. He is a longtime researcher, writer, and podcaster with a valuable perspective on the topic at hand. In 2023, he was featured in a New York Times Op Ed by Dr. Annie Kelly, which analyzed the rise of QAnon and the prominence of conspiracy theories in public discourse. Times being as they are, it seemed a fruitful line of inquiry to revisit the topic and discuss how this has progressed in the few short years since Dr. Kelly wrote her article.In conversation here, SMiles discusses his history with fringe topics and various turning points in the last few decades that have helped formerly fringe ideas proliferate. They manage to find room for levity in what might seem a dark topic, as they discuss everything from 9 / 11 truthers to Bohemian Grove and more. Also discussed is the balancing act of remaining simultaneously critical and open to ideas, and the importance of preserving one's sanity when diving into rabbit holes.Check out SMiles' work at Anomaly Archives here: https://anomalyarchives.org/ , and consider joining the Patreon for it to help support a tremendous lending library in need!

This week's show is a fun and fascinating discussion with author and journalist Aaron Smith about his book, Natural Born! Circus, Sideshow, and the Art of Being Human. In the book, he interviews and profiles working performers in the world of sideshow that would have once been called "freaks"- now largely preferring the term "Natural Born"- about their experiences, lives, philosophies, and ambitions. Before he began his career in journalism, Aaron had worked for the circus as a cotton candy vendor and a roustabout, giving him a unique insider perspective and credential that leads to enlightening conversations with those profiled about humanity and finding one's place in the world. In conversation here, Smith explains the inspiration for the book and the methods he undertook to find these performers, providing a snapshot of the modern version of a sideshow- something many would assume is a thing of the past. He and AP talk about several of the performers featured in the book, such as Jackie the Human Tripod, Short E. Dangerously, The Bendable Girl Camille Zamboni, and many more. Actor and natural Mat Fraser, aka Seal Boy, comes up frequently both in the book and discussion; he was among the stars of the TV series American Horror Story in the Freak Show season, which leads to talk of media representation and common perspectives about people who are born differently. This provides a through line for the history of the subject, from the early days and the ever presents specter of exploitation, which makes the points of view of these modern day performers all the more valuable. Check out Aaron Smith's book from Outside Talker Press here: https://outsidetalkerpress.bigcartel.com/product/natural-born-circus-sideshow-and-the-art-of-being-human

On this week's episode, Rachel Nelson joins AP for an in-depth and thoughtful discussion about the merry old land of Oz and the many ways the mythic realm has impacted our culture since L. Frank Baum first created it. Rachel is a researcher, a poet, and a presenter of the strange over at Ufo Sunset, a multimedia project she works on with Jeff Knox. In this conversation, Rachel discusses what ultimately led her to the UFO subject through a variety of other strange interests, where her interest in Oz began, and how these two interests often overlap. More than that, though, they discuss how ubiquitous the Oz narratives are which inform us all in some way or another.The discussion covers a bit about Baum and his life, and his influences which include his mother-in-law, the activist Matilda Joslyn Gage. The 1985 movie Return to Oz is also discussed, with a focus on the character of Princess Ozma. The freewheeling conversation frequently alludes to concepts in the field of anomalies such as the Oz Effect, and attempts to contact ET civilizations, while also dipping into the almost subliminal qualities of tropes and narratives within the Oz cannon in the cultural subconscious. Further, there's discussions about semiotics, David Lynch, and finally, Rachel's current efforts with a large scale poetry project. Of course there's also lions and tigers and bears along the way!Check out the awesome videos by Ufo Sunset at https://www.youtube.com/@UfoSunset1947

This week's episode is an exploration of the occult underpinnings of our modern technological age, as guest Shira Chess discusses her recent book The Unseen Internet: Conjuring the Occult in Digital Discourse. Shira is an Associate Professor of Entertainment and Media Studies at the University of Georgia, and she brings scholarly rigor to topics that don't often get such careful attention- especially in examples that seem so strange from an outside perspective. The book covers a wide variety of modern occult and magical traditions that informed the creators and early users of the internet, providing a through-line to the types of weirdness we see online and offline today.Topics covered include meme magick, reality shifting, the Back Rooms, Mandela Effects, and the gamification of reality. In discussing such phenomena the conversation weaves in traditional occult themes such as Theosophical ideas and Solomonic Magic, and much more modern Chaos Magick and Discordian practices. In talking about all of these themes, questions are raised about the malleability of consensus reality, our perception of it, and what can be done with it. Check out Shira's fascinating book at https://mitpress.mit.edu/author/shira-chess-2026/And follow her on Substack at https://substack.com/@unseeninternet

This week, author and musician Mike Fiorito returns to the show to discuss his latest book, The Innerspace of Outerspace: Exploring Other Worlds Through Music. In the book, he explores UFO and UFO adjacent themes as well as his personal stories and interactions with music as a gateway to expanded consciousness. Covering an array of popular music and artists, he pulls on threads that uncover the varied ways music is inspired by, and enhances, esoteric states. In conversation here, he and AP talk about Sun Ra's life and works, Pink Floyd and the legacy of Syd Barrett, bands such as Yes and Boston, as well as the channeled origins of New Age music through Steve Halpern. They also share personal anecdotes about discovering music, and the various ways that songs can carry meaning. The book serves as an exploration of the realms music can inhabit, and how it can help us traverse various states of being- as something visionary, transformative, and communicative of truths that language alone can't convey. Check out The Innerspace of Outerspace here (where you can also find Mike's other books): https://mikefiorito.com/mikes-bio-and-books-1

On this week's show, we're celebrating International Women's Day with paranormal writer and ghost tour entrepreneur Allison Jornlin! Allison's excellent website, https://paranormalwomen.com/ , shines a spotlight on women throughout history who have contributed to the knowledge and study of all things paranormal. In this conversation, she and AP get into a little about her background, what drew her to the women she writes about, and the increasing importance of promoting and preserving such history especially in times as fraught as these.There are plenty of entries on her website, and this conversation barely scratched the surface. In it you will hear about Catherine Crowe, Eleanor Sidgwick, Louisa Rhine, Alexandra David-Neel, Lahe'ena'e Gay, Rose Mackenberg, and more! Discussed also is Linda Godfrey, and Allison's personal reminiscence of her as a writer, friend, and influence. Be sure to check out Allison's writings on these incredible women, and her work with American Ghost Walks as well! https://www.americanghostwalks.com/about-us

This week, Dr. Cinzia Yates joins AP for a discussion about her independent efforts to investigate one of the most puzzling and strange cases in all of paranormal history- that of the Dodleston Messages. Dr. Yates brings a unique perspective to the case, both from her academic background in ethnomusicology, history, and folklore as well as her oddly personal connections that brought the story to her attention originally. In the show, she and AP discuss the case in detail- a story of apparently time-traveling messages on an early computer, poltergeist activity, and much more!Listeners may be familiar with the messages from the Ken Webster book, The Vertical Plane, which until recently was out of print- but renewed interest in the events described in the book as well as efforts from some of those originally involved in the story have made it more widely available. Cinzia's phenomenological approach to digging into the evidence stands out as a particularly interesting angle on what is already a highly weird case- and in discussion here, she lays out a lot of great questions and insights!Check out the work she's doing at https://dodlestonmessages.wordpress.com/And follow along on bluesky at @dodlestonresearch.bsky.social

This week, AP talks with Jack Brewer about Expanding Frontiers Research, a non-profit organization he founded along with Erica Lukes which is dedicated to responsible reporting and education around sourcing information on the topic of UFOs. Jack is a longtime UFO researcher and the author of such books as The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community and Wayward Sons: NICAP and the IC. In this episode, he and AP discuss some recent work featured on the Expanding Frontiers blog regarding the FBI's interest in contactees and UFO groups such as The New York Saucer Information Bureau- which includes surprising insights about figures such as Ivan T. Sanderson. Along the way, attention is brought to standards of evidence and what can be concluded about various mystery figures within private UFO organizations, as well as the motivations of law enforcement at the time and some of the trickier aspects of filing FOIA requests.This leads to a broader conversation about critical thinking and how to avoid jumping to conclusions, particularly with something as nebulous as UFO research. Also discussed are Jack's personal thoughts on the Phenomenon, the do's and don't's of talking to spooks, and some revelations uncovered about the Ramtha UFO cult. Check out Expanding Frontiers here: https://www.expandingfrontiersresearch.org/And check out Jack's books, available on Amazon!

This week's show is a swapcast with the duo who host the awesome Eternal Void But With Jazz, Michelle and Gabby! It is also a "Third Time's the Charm" episode, taking a look at the very recent third installment of the popular Netflix Knives Out mystery movies, Wake Up Dead Man. MIchelle has appeared on The AP Strange Show before, to talk about the Simpsons in the episode "Getting Cromulent with Michelle Elmquist", and after a long hiatus has revived her show The Eternal Void with a wonderful new co-host- check it out!Discussed in this episode are the questions of faith, grace, and redemption brought up by the story of Wake Up Dead Man, a look at Benoit Blanc and his place in the great tradition of mystery story detectives, some hidden allusions within the film, and much more! As is often the case in these 3xtC episodes, the prior movies are also brought up and compared to the most recent entry, as well as creator Rian Johnson's other work such as the series Poker Face. Check out The Eternal Void But With Jazz here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-eternal-void-but-with-jazz/id1852308597

This week's show is a deep dive on one of the weirdest and most perplexing cases in the history of paranormalia- that of Gef, the Talking Mongoose- with writer and investigator Gayle Fidler. In recent years, alongside members of the Lancashire Anomalous Phenomena Investigation Society and the Center for Fortean Zoology, Gayle has visited the Isle of Man in search of the Dalby Spook himself. In this episode, she and AP get into the nitty-gritty of the more esoteric elements surrounding the famous exploits of Gef at Cashen's Gap nearly a century ago.Having a background in folklore and the Occult, Gayle was the perfect guest to explore some of the weirder and more magickal aspects of Gef- from possible derivations of his oddly spelled name, to conjecture about the background of Jim Irving, who we know little about prior to his meeting Gef, to eccentric figures who populated the Isle at various points in the early 20th century. Gayle discusses her travels to the Isle of Man, synchronicities during her investigations, and attempts to conjure Gef at a seance! Her investigations overlapped with Simon Pegg's movie Nandor Fodor and the Talking Mongoose being filmed on location, and some discussion of the film is included as well. Gef is a legendary figure within the annals of weird phenomena, and this conversation offers some novel and extra clever, extra special ideas about him.Gayle writes for Spooky Isles at http://www.spookyisles.com , and has several titles published through Leg Iron Books which you can find here: https://legironbooks.co.uk/about-the-authors/anthology-authors/gayle-fidler/

On this week's show, paranormal investigator and psychic medium Amanda D. Paulson joins AP for a discussion about a variety of spooky phenomena, how one might interact with it, and the importance of considering the living as well as the dead when out looking for ghosts. Amanda has spent years developing theories about Paranormal Emotional Touchpoints, which is the subject of a book she is currently writing and expects will have published in summer of 2027. Her theories are drawn from her own experiences and intuitive senses, drawing upon what she calls "odd emotions" as a means of connecting with unseen forces.In the episode she and AP compare notes about their respective childhood exeriences with the otherworldly, and how it informed their worldviews. They also talk at length about a pillar of her theory, Nostalgia, and the many forms it can take. Amanda talks about using forms of media such as music or movies to act as a bridge to the past, even if that past didn't occur within one's lifetime. Beyond that, they also discuss dynamics within communities centered around strange phenomena, coming to terms with psychic abilities, and the role of heightened emotional experiences within haunted locations. There's even a special guest appearance from AP's cat!Amanda has a unique take how ghostly activity and psychic intuition work together, and it is refreshing to hear!Keep up with her work at https://www.prettyfnspooky.com/

This week's show is a deep dive into the history of an oft-underrepresented and very taboo aspect of carnival sideshows- the geek act- with author and variety arts performer Nathan Wakefield. Nathan is the author of the excellent book The Rise and Fall of the Sideshow Geek: Snake Eaters, Human Ostriches, and Other Extreme Entertainments, and in this episode he and AP go over a wide variety of acts, personalities, and techniques described in its pages- and still only cover a fraction of the wonderfully weird history it contains! Listeners will hear about various acts associated with geeking, what constitutes a geek act, performers ranging from skilled magicians to shameless provocateurs, and even famous animals such as Mike the Headless Chicken. Beyond that, cultural threads are pulled upon in talking about William Lindsay Gresham's book Nightmare Alley and its film adaptations, the long shadow of the geek in shock rock antics, and even connections to professional wrestling!Performing under the name Nathan McScary, this week's guest has a unique perspective as a juggler and variety arts entertainer which provides a valuable foundation in explaining the darker and more controversial aspects of sideshow. The book is well-researched and entertaining to read, and proves Nathan to be a wonderful historian, storyteller, and advocate for variety arts that might otherwise have been lost to time. You can find the book here: https://outsidetalkerpress.bigcartel.com/product/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-sideshow-geekAnd while you're there, check out the other great titles from Outside Talker Press!and follow along with Nathan's work at https://nathanmcscary.com/

This week, AP is joined by Simon Hesselager Johansen for a fascinating discussion about UFO contactees that are not well known outside of Denmark and other select locales within Europe. Simon is a writer and researcher with HidDenmark, a group which chronicles and maps high strangeness, folklore, and mystery throughout the country, and in his recent work on the site he has done a deep dive on those claiming contact with beings from other planets. In this conversation, he first explains the history of HidDenmark and his contributions to it, and a bit about some historical encounters with UFOs such as the Aarslev Enge case of 1600. He then presents his wonderful research into a Polish born Danish mechanic named Josef Maliszewki and his encounters with beings from Zutorn, which allegedly pre-date the earliest American contacts. AP and Simon then talk about a later contactee, a taxi driver named Knud Weiking and his channeled messages from Orthon. Simon explains how these contacts culminated in more recent claimed contacts in Czechia and Slovakia with another name familiar to those conversant in UFO history, Ashtar Command, through personalities such as Ivo Benda and a healer called Branjo.Throughout the conversation comparisons are made to American contactee accounts, with a particular focus on George Adamski and his worldwide following through his contact with another Orthon. They also dissect origins of Space Brother narratives, making distinctions between those drawn from Theosophical traditions and others which seem to have a Christian focus. Along the way listeners will hear about anomalous light phenomena, doomsday bunkers, the finer points of extraterrestrial couture, and even Tintin's encounter with ancient astronauts!It was a wide-ranging and in-depth chat, with Simon expertly presenting a history of Scandinavian ufology that's largely unknown or ignored by English speaking flying saucer enthusiasts!To follow along with Simon's work, be sure to check out HidDenmark here: https://hiddenmark.dk/category/english/

This week, AP is joined by John C. Meyers for a wide-ranging and joke-filled discussion about movies, franchises, and fandoms. John is the co-host of two great movie based podcasts, John and Alexx Hate Stuff and This May Hurt a Bit. On the latter show, John and his co-host James Strayer review every movie in a horror franchise, so having John on was a prime opportunity to discuss sequels, reboots, and remakes, and the many ways those can go wrong. Along the way they get into topics such as what makes horror movies great, trends in movies more broadly, taking franchises into space, and the looming encroachment of AI.Other topics covered include: the trickiness of making good horror comedy, whether or not M. Night Shyamalan is secretly as serial killer, comic book culture in the movies, the finer points of bouncing decapitated heads, and the evolving nature of the cinema going experience.Make sure you check out John's podcasts here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/john-and-alexx-hate-stuff/id1241812993and here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-may-hurt-a-bit/id1623226464

This week, Ben Roylance joins AP to discuss the writings, artwork, and paranormal life of Eugenia Macer Story- a fascinating researcher and artist whose insights into the highly weird blur the lines between UFOlogy, the ghostly, and the psychic, and also someone who is often overlooked in discussions about great voices in these strange realms. Ben is the co host of the wonderful podcast Consensus Unreality, and also the owner of Apport Used Books in Emmaus, PA. In conversation here he discusses his journey in discovering the work of Macer Story, and his personal quest to collect and preserve her creations.This episode serves as a primer for the theories and viewpoints that Macer Story worked toward during her life, and gives the listener places to pull on threads and explore more about her life and work. It also touches on the personal impacts of EMS on Ben, and he talks about how formative her work has been for him as well as how much it has generated crazy synchronicities in his life. In a fun and informative way, listeners who are unfamiliar with her are encouraged to find and celebrate the work of Eugenia Macer Story, and perhaps think a little more fluidly about the nature of reality through the highly strange.Follow Ben's store, Apport Used Books on instagram @apportusedbooks...and be sure to check out Consensus Unreality!

As a Christmas treat, this week's episode is a celebration of Patrick Swayze and the movie Road House as well as a love letter to Mystery Science Theater 3000, with Aaron Gulyas and Blackwolf John Oates getting festive with AP. For the uninitiated, non-MSTies in podcast land, this stems from a musical number in the MST3k episode Santa Claus Conquers the Martians in which Crow T. Robot presents a new Christmas song about Road House. Taking the idea and running with it, as is the habit with this show, Gulyas and Blackwolf were the perfect guests to discuss both the movie and the TV show with.The first half of the show largely concerns itself with Road House, its legacy, Patrick Swayze as a pop culture force and the ethics of ripping throats out. From there the conversation goes to pure geekery over the riffing robots and bad movies of MST3k, its impact and influences, and they joy it brings so many people. From Strange HQ, we wish you the Swayze-est Xmas of them all!

As a shorter, solo bonus episode this month AP shares a bit of his writings on the theme of coyotes- one a very old performance poem and the other a more recent meditation on living alongside and communicating with nature. They are very different in character but, as explained in the show, are synchronistically tied to one another...First, AP shares "Coyote's Lament", a poem he known for in his former life as a weirdo poet musician in Worcester, MA. This was briefly mentioned during his chat with Joe Ledoux in a recent show, and several listeners requested more about it... so if that describes you, Merry Xmas! This is then followed by a piece called Communion With the Critters, which you can find on the blog to see photos of the creatures mentioned in it. Check it out here: https://www.apstrange.com/2024/08/communion-with-critters.htmlEnjoy!

This week's show is a journey aboard the virtual Pequod as Joe Matheny and returning guest Leah Prime join AP in a discussion about the Herman Melville classic Moby Dick; or, The Whale- its esoteric qualities, the influence throughout literature and culture, and its personal effects on everyone in conversation here. They discuss works of art and literature as initiation, and the timeless impact of books such as Moby Dick on readers over 150 years after its initial release. The philosophical nature of the text, as a treatise on life, existence, and man's place in the world are less obvious than the titular whale and the attempt to hunt it down, and in the course of talking about it here Joe, Leah, and AP unpack some of the more mystical implications of the book. While discussing themes such as monomania, revenge, man vs nature, and fate each of the voices in the show shares a bit about their personal journeys with the text and how it has informed some of their views, inspired them, or led them on paths of discovery. It's a conversation worth listening to whether or not you've read the book.Joe is the creator of Ong's Hat, and author of several books- follow him on substack here: https://substack.com/@josephmathenyLeah can be found on bluesky at leahprime.bsky.social

This week, Jeremy Vaeni joins AP to talk about his lifetime of strange experiences and his new book, Kundalini and the Secrets of Silence. Vaeni has a long history within the realms of the paranormal and ufology, having been the co-host of Paratopia and the host of various other podcast and YouTube projects such as Wise Ask and He's so Vaeni. In addition to that, he has authored several other books about his experiences, such as Urgency and I Am to Tell You This, and I Am to Tell You It's Fiction. As an outspoken and often humorous voice within the wide subjects of the weird, he lends a perspective to such concepts as alien abduction that cause one to reconsider what's actually behind the phenomenon-- and this far-ranging conversation opens doors to plenty of such questions.Among the subjects covered are Vaeni's encounters, the usefulness of such terms as "experiencer" and "abductee", how his experiences differed from that of his Paratopia co-host, Jeff Ritzmann, and what it was like to share their respective strange stories at the time. From there, he and AP discuss Kundalini, how it is presented and characterized in his newest book, and what we can learn from the non-human intelligences all around us-- many of whom, in this case, happen to be ducks. Kundalini and the Secrets of Silence is an engaging read, which shows through examples of nature and heart rather than telling through technical terms how consciousness and mysterious life energies connect us all. It is available for purchase in January of 2026, but is available for pre-order now.Follow Vaeni on YouTube at @jvaeni...and check out his website here: https://www.ourundoing.com/

This week, magical artist Joe Ledoux joins AP for a whimsical exploration of stage magic, fine art, and skateboarding- and how Joe combines these interests in his work. They talk about Joe's journey in learning how to skate and how to perform magic, the importance of creativity and persistence, and the actual magical effects of art and performance. They also discuss Muhachi, a companion figure Joe uses to express himself in his zines, animations, and paintings, and Joe's inspiration and mentorship under Ralph Bakshi. If that's not enough, they also discuss sleight of hand in relation to shamanistic magic, Joe's personal synchronicities in his journey as a magical artist, and that time he cast a spell over Boston to summon UFOs, sea serpents, and fairies!Joe is an accomplished magician from The McBride Magic and Mystery School out of Las Vegas, and performed with Le Grand David, the world's longest-running magic show. In this conversation he and AP dissect why stage magic need not necessarily be distinguished from "real" magic, or from fine art for that matter.Check out Joe's website here: https://www.joeledoux.com/...and give him a follow on instagram @joeledouxmagic

This week, Michael M. Hughes returns to the show to talk about the recently released second edition of his book Magic for the Resistance: Rituals and Spells for Change. Hughes is an author, game designer, activist, journalist, and magician, and in this episode he talks about the genesis of his book on magical resistance and the need for a second edition. For listeners unfamiliar with the background, he and AP discuss his original trump-binding spells that went viral online and led to the creation of the book in 2018. From there they discuss the inspiration for some of spells, using historical examples which are covered in the book, and get into the nitty-gritty of what constitutes magic in its most efficacious form.The conversation also provided an opportunity for no small amount of political venting about the stupidity, cruelty, and evil in our current world. This lends itself to humor but also underlines the necessity for self-care and community, which is also covered in the book in a variety of spells outside of the notable trump binding ritual. From art as magic to humor as a tool against totalitarianism, inflatable frogs and the rippling effects of small acts of kindness, a lot of ground gets covered in this conversation.Check out Michael's website here: https://www.michaelmhughes.com/...and order the revised and expanded edition of his book here: https://www.crossedcrowbooks.com/shop-crossed-crow-books/p/magicfortheresistance 

This week, returning guest Charles Lear joins AP and guest co-host Blackwolf John Oates for a lighthearted discussion of the state of UFOlogy in the 1980s, and how it influenced the 90s and beyond. In Charles' first appearance on the show, the focus was on his book The Flying Saucer Investigators, where this one focuses more on Crashed Saucers and Malevolent Aliens: The Emergence of the Popular Modern UFO Mythos in the Late 20th Century. Charles, Blackwolf, and AP discuss figures such as Bill Moore, Richard Doty, Richard Hoagland, Ray Stanford, Art Bell, Whitley Strieber, and many more voices who added to the crazy cacophony of 80s UFOlogy.Discussed also is the TV special UFO Cover-Up? Live!, early internet forums, Deep Underground Military Bases, Roswell, the legacy of Coast to Coast AM, and controversial figures such as David Jacobs and Wendelle Stevens. It was a fast-paced and joke filled chat, and a celebration of weirdness in the form of conspiracy and UFO cultural relics. You can find Charles' books on Amazon, and read his regular blog posts at http://podcastufo.com

This week, multidisciplinary artist and researcher Caitlin Fitzgerald joins AP for a conversation about her art, the stories behind her work in various mediums, and folklore which infuses storytelling down through the ages. Caitlin creates visual art in the form of ceramics, stained glass, illustration, mixed media, and digital art- all of which she does very well, and all are informed by a sense of mystery and inspired by obscure legends. In this episode she explains the background and research for some of her subjects, such as the jackalope- for which she creates and sells bedazzled sculptures- and her longtime efforts in reviving the devotions to Saint Guinefort, a 13th century folk saint who just happens to be a dog. She does excellent original illustrations based on the design of illuminated manuscripts of the past, and the particulars of this kind of design as well as her sources are examined in conversation. They also talk about a mermaid saint, snails, and various other marginalia.If all of that wasn't fascinating enough, Caitlin also talks about her work with the Boleskine House Foundation- a group which has, over the years, built and restored the legendary manor house near Loch Ness which Aleister Crowley once owned. Caitlin talks about her contributions to the restoration and her work with the foundation, which includes a stained glass light fixture which you can view on her instagram!Check out her work at https://caitlinfitzgeraldart.com/And for more on Boleskine House look at https://www.boleskinehouse.org

On this week's show Jay Shenk joins AP for a discussion about art, magic, and technology and how the history and methods behind these subjects intertwine in the 20th century. Jay is a self-described student of the strange, advertising professional, and tech hobbyist who is also pursuing a Masters degree in Art and Technology at the University of Oklahoma. In this conversation, he brings his knowledge of the highly weird to point out connections between subjects as seemingly disparate as Theosophy, surrealism, radionics, Spiritualism, parapsychology, outsider art, and technological advances in mass communications. The far-ranging scope of this episode allows for discussion of plenty of fun subjects, such as the outsider art of Howard Finster, Tony 'Doc' Shiels and his Monstermind experiments, Elvis seances, art as modern shamanism, and also Mothman's butt. Yes, you read that correctly. Follow Jay on Bluesky at @synoisia.bsky.social

As of this month, The AP Strange Show has been around for one whole year! This is a brief bonus for listeners, a thank you to all who have tuned in or appeared on the show, and some thoughts about where it's headed.Along with that stuff, there's a few horror movie recommendations for your spooky season pleasure, and even a seance! Thanks to everyone who has supported the program, there's much more to come... and Happy Halloween!

This week, AP catches up with Adam Sayne, longtime host of the Conspirinormal podcast and organizer of the Strange Realities conferences in Tennessee. The show has been on hiatus, but Adam assures us in this conversation that Conspirirnormal will return- they start off by talking about his thirteen years of hosting, interviewing, and presenting ideas about all manner of weird subjects as well as examining the ever-changing landscape of media and what's generally referred to as "content creation". From there, the discussion becomes more of a paranormal jam session, with lighthearted chat about some of the more insane conspiracy theories, personalities within ufology and ghost hunting, and the ways these narratives overlap and inform beliefs more broadly. From Flat Earth and Tartaria to organic robotoids, the Nephilim, and Bigfoot, they run the gamut of fringe topics- and end with a look at demonology, and the long shadow cast by Ed and Lorraine Warren over paranormal investigation.Check out https://conspirinormal.com/ to see the back catalog of shows Adam has done over the years, and, if you're not already, make sure to subscribe so you're there when the show returns!

This week, returning guest Solomon Pakal joins AP to discuss Mayan Astrology, and how one can use it to enhance their magical and mundane existence. Solomon is a longtime magical practitioner, a historian of Mesoamerican culture and magic, and Brujo through his Guatemalan ancestral lineage. In this episode, the conversation centers around his work with Mayan Astrology, which he will soon be offering a course on through his Substack. In the episode he outlines how the Maya conception of astrology differs from versions in the west, or in the Vedic tradition, involving more terrestrial and spirit based calendars that overlap in multidimensional ways. He further explains the benefits of using such a system for both personal and global predictions, for personal development, and magical timing. Solomon is currently writing and sharing video content on his Substack that is well worth your time, and available to free subscribers. Beginning in November paid subscribers will have access to his course on Mayan Astrology, and listeners are encouraged to check it out here: https://substack.com/@solomonpakal

It's a special double feature Third Time's the Charm episode on this week's show, as AP chats with his old friend Ryk McIntyre about two third installments from classic Universal Monster movie franchises. First, they discuss the relatively obscure offering from the Invisible Man series, 1940's The Invisible Woman- a departure from the gothic horror and suspense of the other films, it's more of a screwball comedy and the only Universal picture to feature one of The Three Stooges. Next, they discuss The Creature Walks Among Us, the very last of the original Universal Monster films which, for better or worse, shows you the Creature from the Black Lagoon like you've never seen him before. Ryk is an actor, a poet, and currently works as a tour guide, researcher, and writer for the Lizzie Borden House in Fall River, MA. Learn more about the location here: https://lizzie-borden.com/

This week's show is an exciting one, as the one-and-only Professor Porterfield joins AP for an in-depth discussion about Hoodoo, the Sporting Life, and spell work with playing cards. Professor Porterfield is an Old Testament, old school reader and root worker and the author of several books including A Deck of Spells: Hoodoo Playing Card Magic in Rootwork and Conjure. He had recently appeared in Salem, MA, presenting at the Salem Witchcraft & Folklore Festival, and in this episode talks about concepts from his lecture 30 Years in the Sporting Life. In both the lecture and in the interview, he gives practical and magical advice for those who "walk on the other side of the street", who are often the more vulnerable and marginalized among us. In doing so he also gets into the history and philosophy of Hoodoo as a practice and as a means of survival.Prof. Porterfield also talks about his personal history and lineage in Hoodoo, discusses his conjuring work and divination, and even a bit about ghosts and other entities!To learn more about the Professor and his work, check out his website here: http://www.professorporterfield.com/

This week Dr. Jerrold Coe, the writer and collector behind Paperbacks of the Gods, joins AP for a freewheeling discussion about the pulpy madness of paperback forteana. Jerrold's site is a treasure trove of quirky titles, replete with wildly weird cover designs and even weirder subjects, and this conversation is a celebration of such cultural oddities. They explore the prolific catalogues of story collectors such as Brad Steiger and Warren Smith, and the dynamics of the publishing world that delivered these tales to the wider culture. In his writing and in this conversation, Coe does an excellent job of tracing the history of various narratives and the authors who promoted them. From T. Lobsang Rampa to Otto Binder, to sci-fi and less fortean paperback kitsch, the exploration of mass media paperbacks in the golden age of paranormal weirdness makes for a very fun and funny discussion.Check out Coe's work here: https://paperbackgods.blogspot.com/Also, subscribe to his YouTube for fortean documentary uploads at @jerrold_coe

This week on the show, Glennie F. Sewell joins AP to discuss his work in paranormal investigation and his academic efforts toward synthesizing lived paranormal experiences and their relation to the imaginal realities with which they interact. He recently led a workshop to discuss these concepts at the 2025 Paranormal Research Symposium in Gettysburg, PA. AP attended the workshop and even had a paranormal event occur in the middle of it! (A description of said event can be found in the episode "Road Trippin' with Tim Binnall.) Glennie's presentation of anomalous activity as a liminal bridge to the imaginal realms are well worth considering, and made him a natural welcome guest on this show.He discusses these concepts and his methodology in approaching stories he sources directly from consenting participants, finding commonalities in lived experiences and analyzing the narratives of what we consider "paranormal". In so doing he pulls upon threads such as choices of words used in the telling to find deeper meaning in what are often transformative or perception altering tales. He and AP discuss the limitations of language to describe the greater reality, and the difficulties inherent in discernment around cultural inborn assumptions.Glennie currently holds an MFA from Goddard College and is the author of an unpublished novel, Guardians of Forever: Earth Gone. He is currently teaching World Literature online and working toward a PhD in Transformative Studies at the California Institute of Integral Studies. He is also the co-founder of the Messenger Guardians Institute and Messenger Guardians Paranormal Investigation Studies, based out of Vermont. You can follow his work with MGPIS on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/@messengerguardiansparanorm8606

On this week's show, Leah Prime drops in to discuss rare and cursed books! From incunabula to anthropodermic bindings, to books of occult lore, Leah shares her wealth of knowledge about rare books and manuscripts from around the world in a fascinating conversation with AP. She discusses her backstory, and what led her to an academic life in rare texts. They also talk about the history of printing, what goes into preservation of old volumes, and the lore surrounding books such as the. Codex Gigas. Also discussed are trends within western esotericism and their Hebrew roots, and works such as The Book of Abramelin, and their impact on modern occultism. The far-reaching conversation also covers The Voynich Manuscript and its attendant mysteries, as well as more modern rare and mythical works such as Agrippa (The Book of the Dead) by William Gibson. It was a fascinating journey through the history of print as a medium, with no shortage of weird items along the way!Leah can be found on Twitter or BlueSky, or on Substack at @leahprime

On this week's show Randi Bergsma joins AP for a discussion about channeling, seances, and art, particularly in relation to the work of Hilma af Klint. Randi is a witch, a writer, an artist, and a tarot reader whose work has been published in The Feminine Macabre, Haunted Magazine, and, more recently, was featured as a speaker at the 2025 Paranormal Research Symposium in Gettysburg, PA. Her presentation, Creating Channeled Art, forms the basis for this episode.In this conversation AP and Randi discuss her background in art and in the spookier stuff, which culminated in her current interests. Also discussed is Hilma af Klint and her methods, her obscurity until fairly recently, and the ways in which the mystical is often diminished in discussions around art. Finally, some ideas and methods are explored on how to channel one's own art, with Randi explaining her approach to it. Follow Randi on instagram at liminalsister, and be sure to subscribe to her brand new substack here: https://substack.com/@liminalsister1

Recorded on August 23, 2025 at the Paranormal Research Symposium in Gettysburg, PA, this is the live recording of AP's presentation on the various mystical narratives and possible supernatural realities behind the Loch Ness Monster. With a healthy amount of humor and an enthusiastic audience, the presentation was a lot of fun to do and part of a great event organized by the Association for Paranormal Study. For a recap on the weekend, refer to the episode Road Tripping with Tim Binnall- AP extends his gratitude to the organizers, attendees, and other speakers for a wonderful time exploring the weird. This talk goes through the myriad ways Nessie might be interpreted, from pop culture to cryptozoology, folklore and myth, and finally in mysticism- using historical examples such as Aleister Crowley's workings at Boleskine House, the works of F. W. Holiday, the exorcism(s) of the Loch, and the surrealist exploits of Tony 'Doc' Shiels. There was a lot of ground to cover for an hour long talk, so the pace gets a bit frantic, but it's all intriguing and incredibly weird material. Enjoy! 

This week's show is a road recording, as AP and Tim Binnall recap their whirlwind road trip down to Gettysburg for the Paranormal Research Symposium at which AP gave a talk. Recorded in the car as they reached the home stretch back to Massachusetts, the audio quality may be a little different than listeners are used to but the conversation was filled with laughs and paranormal goodness. As a companion to this episode, a bonus episode of the audio from AP's presentation "The Misunderstood Magic of the Monster of Ness" will be in the feed as well, so be sure to check that out!In this road chat Tim and AP talk about the Symposium, the Gettysburg battlefields, new friends and interesting voices from the event, an odd encounter with a butterfly, and a possible ghost biker. Hear about AP's paranormal event during a presentation, culinary cheers and jeers, and about shenanigans at the Vampa Museum on the way back home. The weekend in Pennsylvania was one for the books, and well worth a discussion! Enjoy!

This week's show is a fun one, as Tui Snider joins AP and guest co-host Stephanie Quick to celebrate the release of her new book Around the World in 80 Graves! Tui, as you might have guessed, is an author and world traveler who has had a lifelong interest in cemeteries. She is also one heck of a story teller, and her most recent book- and this wide-ranging conversation- is a great example of her talent. Weaving together stories of her travels, the people she met along the way, and the various cultures and traditions she encountered, she sets out to prove that cemeteries are for more than just funerals. This conversation barely scratches the surface of sites and themes covered in her book, but among the topics covered were Highgate Cemetery and Douglas Adams' grave, graves for amputated limbs, and Tui's origin story as a taphophile. A lot of laughs were had along the way, and it was a lighthearted and wholesome chat about a topic usually considered grim and morbid. From symbolism, history, and recounting embarrassing moments to coffee shops around the world, this episode- much like Tui's book- runs the gamut.Check out Tui's website here: https://tuisnider.com/...and pre-order her book here: https://www.amazon.com/Around-World-Graves-Tombstones-Transformation-ebook/dp/B0FHYJRJ3J

This week returning guests Stephanie Quick and Professor WHAM join AP for a philosophical deep dive on the works and writings of Michel Foucault, and how the the ideas he talked about could be applied to the subject of UFOlogy. For those unfamiliar with Foucault both Steph and WHAM do a great job of breaking down key concepts and terminology, which opens a wider conversation using examples from UFO narrative history. Such concepts speak to the marginal nature of the subject itself, and especially the common pressures against experiencers in the wider world. Various other themes are explored, such as the attendant paranoia around government and extraterrestrials alike within UFOlogy, power structures in society and culture, and whether the systems we have in place are equipped to address the mystery of the phenomenon.Stephanie and WHAM bring a wealth of knowledge and insight to this discussion, and a fair amount of humor as well. In addition to the philiosophy discussed, the conversation also gets into science fiction portrayals of aliens, personal notes and experiences, and even Weird Alien Sex!*Note- there were some issues with the audio at the beginning of the episode, but these are rectified before long into the chat- so please bear with it!

This week on the show writer, strategist, and founder of The Emperor Norton Trust John Lumea joins AP for an in-depth discussion about an obscure but fascinating historical figure- that of Joshua Abraham Norton, the self-proclaimed Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico. What began as a campaign on John's part to recognize the Emperor's association with the San Francisco Bay Bridge turned into the current Trust, which seeks to honor the legacy of Norton I through archival materials, advocacy, and John's writings about the man. Norton's impact in the latter part of the 19th century extended far beyond San Francisco and his time, showing the power of eccentricity and force of will to carry one's beliefs and ideas into reality. In the interview, John gets into the history of Emperor Norton as well as his ideology, which was surprisingly progressive for his time. In the process, he pushes back on some common misconceptions about the Emperor, painting a picture of a benevolent monarch and poignant, albeit unconventional, thinker. Also discussed are the Emperor's spiritual life, his role as a Discordian saint, and how we can apply the Nortonian ideal in today's age.Keep up with John at The Emperor Norton Trust here: https://emperornortontrust.org/

This week Bradley Plaisier and Robert Skvarla join AP to talk about the classic 90s phenomena that was The X-Files, but more specifically, the episodes written by Darin Morgan. Fans of the TV series know Morgan for his humor and absurdity in stories such as Jose Chung's From Outer Space and War of the Coprophages, "monster of the week" episodes that add levity to the show while at the same time raising important and thought-provoking questions. While he wrote significantly less episodes for the show, the ones he came up with were all instant classics; just as memorable were his appearances onscreen in the episodes Host and Small Potatoes. In addition to a brief but powerful list of writing credits, Morgan also rarely gave interviews. In this discussion a 1996 interview with Cinefantastique is relied upon heavily, bringing insights into the writing behind his first full episode, Humbug, and his most celebrated (and award winning) script for Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose.Bradley and Robert bring their unique perspectives as researchers of the paranormal and conspiracy theory material to what became a wide-ranging discussion about high strangeness, media, perception management, manipulation, and so much more. Robert is a freelance writer and can be found on X @robertskvarla, where you can also find Bradley @bpleasies. Check out Bradley's t-shirt shop as well, which has many great and often obscure paranormal designs to choose from at https://bwp.threadless.com/Discussed as well are the two episodes from the 11th season of the show, as well as Morgan's writing for the spinoff show Millenium. This brings the conversation into some unexpected places, with discussions about the Mandela Effect, Flat Earth, and even Phantom Clowns!

This week's show is another Third Time's the Charm (3xtC) installment with J. R. Hikel joining AP to talk about one of the greatest movies of all time- Army of Darkness! J. R. is a small business owner and a lifelong horror fan, and runs J. R.'s Spooky Shack in Hudson, Massachusetts- a one-stop shop for all manner of horror merchandise. He brings his wealth of knowledge and inimitable sense of humor to a fun discussion with AP about this movie, the Evil Dead franchise more broadly, and an unexpected but welcome allusion to The Three Stooges!Also discussed are the many talents and the legacy of Bruce Campbell, Sam Raimi's filmography, and other horror notables involved in Army of Darkness which may have escaped your notice. It was a fun episode and a wonderful excuse to geek out about the movie as well as the other Evil Dead properties- and even the most primitive of screwheads will be able to enjoy it!Find J. R.'s shop here: https://www.jrsspookyshack.com/And follow him on instagram @jrsspookyshack

This week Gabriel Kennedy, aka Prop-Anon, drops in to discuss his book Chapel Perilous: The Life and Thought Crimes of Robert Anton Wilson! This first, and currently only biography of RAW was several years in the making for Gabriel. In this conversation, he and AP discuss how he came to discover Wilson's work, the influences its had on Kennedy as a creative and a person, and much more!Gabriel is a musician and a writer, as well as a student of Wilson's Maybe Logic Academy. In this wide ranging chat, he and AP discuss everything from the Illuminati's tendrils within hip hop, to influences on RAW from Crowley to Reich to Korzybski, to high strangeness events with UFOs and synchronicities. They talk about Kennedy's personal interactions with Wilson, including at the infamous Disinfo Con- as well as some discussion about interviews and research that went into writing the definitive life story of Bob Wilson.Get a copy of Chapel Perilous wherever you buy your books, and keep up with Prop on his substack here: https://substack.com/@gabrielkennedyakapropanon

AP welcomes folklorist and writer Paul A. T. Wilson to the show to discuss the fantastically weird case of Sam, the Sandown Clown- an entity reportedly encountered on the Isle of Wight in the early 1970s by a pair of young children. Listeners familiar with the story will undoubtedly be thrilled to learn that further encounters with the entity variously called the Ghost Clown or All Colours Sam have come to light. Through Paul's work in finding and interviewing "Fey", the young girl in the original story, he has documented her several later meetings with Sam and shared them in a series of presentations for the first time. In this conversation, Wilson discusses these later meetings with the motley being, how he came to uncover them, and the nature of storytelling and reporting weird tales.Paul lives on the Isle of Wight and has a background in pre-medieval history there, as well as with writing and sharing tales of wonder related to the island. He talks about his longtime fascination with the Sandown Clown story, which has for decades been frustratingly limited in scope. In uncovering these further stories from the anonymous witness, new dimensions to the legend of Sam are brought to light which raise a panoply of new and exciting questions. Also discussed is the importance of honoring stories and the people who tell them, and respecting their wishes in regard to anonymity. He and AP also talk a bit about the island itself, and its enchanted history with dragons, mystery fogs, and more!Check out Paul's work on Isle of Wight folklore here: https://www.wihtlore.uk/ 

This week, cartoonist and ultimate Creative Weirdo Todd Purse joins AP for an inspiring and fun conversation about art, imagination, and the power of bringing ideas to life on the page. Todd makes his living, as he says, by "drawing pictures on coffee bags"- but he also consistently produces whimsical and positive paranormal themed art which he shares on instagram (@toddde85), and publishes zines and prints of his work as well. In conversation, AP and Todd get into some of his early influences, talk about the wonderful medium of comic books and comic strips, and the intersection of paranormal concepts and the creative process.This lends itself to a lot of geeking out about everything from Calvin and Hobbes to the Loch Ness Monster, from Star Wars to Mothman, and the various trickster masks of the Kentucky Goblins. Other themes explored include parenting, the timelessness of some forms of media, humor, and underlying faith in humanity despite the horrors of the world.Todd also contributes to the comic book adaptation of Illuminatus!, which was discussed in episode 28- Hailing Discordia with Bobby Campbell- and is the artist behind Welcome UFO People, a collaboration with Rob Kristofferson of Our Strange Skies fame. Todd is always a pleasure to talk to or hear in conversation- and his work is highly recommended! Check it out here:https://www.createmagicstudios.com/ 

Michael M. Hughes joins AP this week to discuss the proliferation of AI technology and the impact it's having on every aspect of society. Michael is an author, a journalist, a tarot reader, and teacher, and his recent writings include a "Humanifesto" which promotes biological intelligence and resists the artifice being sold to us by the tech industry. In both his written work- regularly updated to reflect new insights- and in conversation here, the necessity of so-called AI applications is called into question, leveraged against the very real harms it causes in the human psyche and to the environment. From AI slop to plagiarism issues, broligarchs and enshittification, and what Hughes refers to as the "coprophagic ouroboros", the facade of the allegedly monumental shift in tech- not to mention the economic bubble it creates- is revealed for what it is. The conversation is far from being all doom and gloom, though, with plenty of laughs and some uplifting suggestions about how to gently work one's way back to creating, living life, and connecting with the beauty of art, literature, and community. Read MIchael's humanifesto here: https://medium.com/@michaelmhughes/kill-the-robots-7bad904e3c9eand check out his website here: https://www.michaelmhughes.com/

For this week's Third Time's the Charm (3xtC) presentation, Icy Sedgwick joins AP to venture into the realm of found footage horror movies with a look at Paranormal Activity 3. As it happens, Icy was the perfect guest to have on for this subject, as she has an honest-to-goodness doctorate in horror movies and used the Paranormal Activity series for her Ph D! In this discussion, she and AP get into the benefits and drawbacks of found footage as a genre, what it says about our perception of paranormal events, and even some of the folklore and tropes that pervade these narratives.Icy is also a former ghost hunter, a folklorist, and a dark fantasy writer- and these rarified talents and experiences lend themselves well to discussions around the paranormal in both fictional and allegedly true accounts... and everything in-between. The conversation covers everything from how ghosts and demons are portrayed in media, the differences in these portrayals in British and American productions, and the ways in which horror narratives mirror the popular consciousness more readily than other forms of fiction. They also briefly discuss Icy's book, Rebel Folklore, which is available for purchase on Amazon. She also hosts the wonderful podcast Fabulous Folklore, which you can check out here: https://pod.co/fabulous-folklore-with-icy And for her writings and other works go here: https://www.icysedgwick.com/

This week AP sits down to talk flying saucers with UFO buff, author, playwright, and blogger Charles Lear! Charles is the author of The Flying Saucer Investigators, a book detailing the early history around the personalities who made UFOs a cultural phenomenon. It serves as an excellent primer on the origins of modern UFOlogy, following the storied paths of people like Jim Moseley, Ray Palmer, John Keel, and others- with a lot of classic cases covered as well!Charles and AP dig into some of the particulars, and the circular nature of the UFO narrative down through the decades. Along the way, they run afoul of the MiB and share some laughs over the absurdity of it all. They also discuss Charles' second book, Crashed Saucers and Malevolent Aliens: The Emergence of the Popular Modern UFO Mythos in the Late 20th Century, and his work blogging for Podcast UFO. There's even a ghost story or two!Check out Charles Lear's books on Amazonand his work for Podcast UFO here: https://podcastufo.com/