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The Color Between The Lines with Esther Dillard

The Color Between the Lines with Esther Dillard is a storytelling podcast that explores the histories, voices, and truths that often go unheard—but deeply shape our world.*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" tabindex="-1" dir="auto" data-turn-id="4e29b2f2-7c46-4232-803b-4c51b0aa0f0d" data-testid="conversation-turn-6" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn="assistant">Hosted by award-winning journalist and educator Esther Dillard, the show features thoughtful conversations with authors, activists, cultural leaders, and change-makers who use story to inform, challenge, and connect. Each episode goes beyond headlines to uncover the deeper context behind culture, history, and current events—helping listeners understand not just what happened, but why it matters.Listeners come away with a clearer understanding of how storytelling influences public opinion, policy, education, and identity. The podcast also offers insight into how stories ca

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    The Fibroid Slayer: What Your Doctor Isn't Telling Black Women | Dr. Pierre Johnson

    27 pounds of fibroids. A pregnant Black woman. A hospital that tried to cancel her surgery.Dr. Pierre Johnson stepped in when the system said no. The board-certified OB-GYN known as The Fibroid Slayer removed the fibroids, saved the pregnancy, and preserved her uterus.In this episode, Esther Dillard sits down with Dr. Johnson for a conversation about the fibroid crisis that is hiding in plain sight and why Black women are bearing the worst of it.They cover: Why Black women develop fibroids at 2 to 3 times the rate of white women How chronic stress, food deserts, and generations of medical mistrust make the problem worse The truth about hysterectomies and the menopause myth costing women their quality of life What a 0% repeat surgery rate looks like and why most surgeons aren't doing it How to advocate for yourself when your doctor says you have no optionsEsther also shares her own story: seven years trying to conceive, 23 fibroids removed, and the surgery that gave her her son.Find Dr. Pierre Johnson on Instagram at @doctorp23 and on YouTube at @pierrejohnsonmd8187Subscribe. Share. Your story matters.

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    Dr. Ibram X. Kendi on Chain of Ideas — The Origins of Our Authoritarian Age | S3 E14

    What is the idea driving the redistricting battles, the rollback of diversity programs, the surge of authoritarian politics, and the rise of white nationalist violence in America and around the world? Dr. Ibram X. Kendi has a name for it. And in this conversation, he explains exactly where it came from, how it works, and what each of us can do to fight back.In Season 3 Episode 14 of The Color Between the Lines, journalist and host Esther Dillard sits down with Dr. Ibram X. Kendi historian, professor at Howard University, National Book Award winner, and New York Times bestselling author of Stamped from the Beginning and How to Be an Antiracist to discuss his new book, Chain of Ideas: The Origins of Our Authoritarian Age. Chain of Ideas traces the rise of Great Replacement Theory the political argument that powerful elites are deliberately using Black and Brown people, immigrants, and minorities to displace white majorities. Kendi documents how this idea is not new. It powered the backlash against Reconstruction. It gave rise to Jim Crow. It inspired the chants at Charlottesville, the mass shooting at the Buffalo supermarket, and the radicalization of Dylann Roof. And today it is driving policy rollbacks, redistricting fights, and authoritarian movements across six continents. In this episode, Kendi breaks down the zero-sum theory the manufactured belief that Black progress comes at white expense and traces exactly who built it, who funds it, and who it has always protected. He explains how super-wealthy individuals are simultaneously supporting great replacement political movements and purchasing social media platforms and media outlets to amplify the message. And he walks through the complete radicalization pipeline that takes someone from a website to an act of mass violence. But this conversation does not end in despair. Kendi explains why, after years in the archives tracing this playbook across centuries and continents, he finished Chain of Ideas more hopeful than when he started. Because once you can name what is being done once you understand the playbook you can finally push back. Esther Dillard also asks Kendi the question that matters most: what can one person actually do? His answer is direct. Use your talent. Use your platform. Use whatever you already have. This episode is essential listening for educators, students, journalists, community leaders, and anyone trying to make sense of the political moment we are living through. An educator resource bundle including discussion questions and curriculum alignment for grades 6 through 12 is available at ColorBtwLinesMarket on Etsy. Chain of Ideas: The Origins of Our Authoritarian Age by Dr. Ibram X. Kendi is available now wherever books are sold. The Color Between the Lines is hosted by award-winning journalist and Black Information Network anchor Esther Dillard. New episodes every week. Subscribe and follow on the Alive Podcast Network, iHeart Radio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts

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    Dr. King's Granddaughter on Cotillions, Legacy & Gen Z

    She is 18 years old. She is headed to Columbia University to study human rights. And she carries one of the most recognizable names in American history.But this conversation is about her.Yolanda Renee King the only granddaughter of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Coretta Scott King opens up about what a Black cotillion really is and why its history goes back to 1778. She shares what changed inside her when she read her grandfather's first book, Stride Toward Freedom, and found that it rewrote everything she thought she knew about love and nonviolence. And she speaks with remarkable clarity about what Generation Z is being called to do right now.'Her grandmother Coretta Scott King said it best: Every generation has to earn its freedom. Yolanda knows it is her turn.Hosted by Esther Dillard two-time Gracie Award-winning journalist and anchor at Black Information Network.CHAPTER MARKERS00:00  The bridge metaphor Yolanda on senior year 00:36  Introduction who is Yolanda Renee King 01:12  Why Columbia University and the human rights major 02:07  Senior year pressure and what young people are feeling 04:57  Introducing yourself as just Yolanda 06:28  How recent the civil rights movement really is 07:21  What is a Black cotillion Yolanda explains 08:26  The history of Black cotillions 1778 to 1895 09:53  Alpha Kappa Alpha and the scholarship tradition 10:39  Black girl magic and the Sunday practices 11:56  Reading Stride Toward Freedom the chemical change 13:06  The three kinds of love eros, philia, and agape 15:09  Why Dr. King refused to hate 17:11  Gen Z, news fatigue, and the decision to study law 20:03  Woke and proud 21:17  Coretta Scott King's charge every generation earns its freedom 22:25  Close and educator resourcesKEYWORDSYolanda Renee King, Dr. King's granddaughter, Martin Luther King granddaughter, Coretta Scott King, Black cotillion, what is a cotillion, African American debutante ball, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Stride Toward Freedom, agape love, nonviolent resistance, Gen Z civil rights, Generation Z activism, Columbia University, Black girl magic, Black history, civil rights movement, earning freedom, generational responsibility, The Color Between the Lines, Esther Dillard, Black podcast, Black Information Network, civic educationHASHTAGS#YolandaReneeKing #DrKingsGranddaughter #BlackCotillion #MartinLutherKing #CorettaScottKing #StrideTowardFreedom #AgapeLove #GenZ #BlackHistory #Cotillion #AlphaKappaAlpha #CivilRights #BlackGirlMagic #TheColorBetweenTheLines #EstherDillard #BlackPodcast #BlackExcellence #GenerationalResponsibility #ColumbiaUniversity #CivicEdition

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    Unhoused & Unheard Ep. 3: A Mother of 6 Navigated Homelessness — And the System That Almost Failed Her

    "Your kids always tend to ask what's next, mommy?"Sharell Matthis said those words while working, while homeless, and whileraising six children with no safety net. This is her story.In this final episode of Unhoused and Unheard: The Black Experience ofHomelessness, Sharell takes us through what it actually looks like tonavigate homelessness as a Black mother in America eviction, motels,sleeping in a vehicle, working a job across the street from where herchildren slept, and finally: a key, a furnished unit, and four years ofstability she is now watching come under threat.According to the HUD 2024 Annual Homelessness Assessment Report, BlackAmericans make up 12% of the U.S. population but account for nearly 32%of everyone experiencing homelessness. Families with children are now thefastest-growing group up 39% in a single year.Host Esther Dillard also sits down with Donald Whitehead, ExecutiveDirector of the National Coalition for the Homeless, on what is drivingthe surge in family homelessness and what every one of us can do rightnow. RESOURCES:National Coalition for the Homeless nationalhomeless.org FOLLOW ESTHER:YouTube: @thecolorbetweenthelinesInstagram: @iamestherdillardFacebook: iamestherdillardProduced by Esther Dillard | The Color Between the LinesIn partnership with BIN Audio | ALIVE Podcast NetworkExpert: Donald Whitehead | National Coalition for the Homeless#UnhousedAndUnheard #BlackHomelessness #HousingJustice

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    He Worked His Whole Life — Then Lost Everything: Black Senior Homelessness | Ep. 2

    "To live on the streets is very frightening. It lowers your dignity as a manand as a woman."Those are the words of Donald Gardner 68 years old, a cobbler, a HUDcontractor, and a full-time caretaker for eleven years. Then the pandemic hit.His business shut down. His godfather passed. The family took the house. AndDonald Gardner found himself working at TGI Fridays while sleeping outsideat night. Nobody knew he was homeless.His story is not the exception. Seniors are now the fastest-growing groupexperiencing homelessness in America with numbers projected to triple by2030. One in five people experiencing homelessness is 55 or older. And BlackAmericans, who make up just 12% of the U.S. population, account for nearly32% of everyone experiencing homelessness in this country.In Part Two of Unhoused and Unheard: The Black Experience of Homelessness,host Esther Dillard sits down with Donald Gardner and with Donald Whitehead,Executive Director of the National Coalition for the Homeless in WashingtonD.C. to ask the hard question: how does a man who worked his whole lifeend up with nowhere to go?What you will hear in this episode: How the pandemic wiped out Donald's business and his housing in one blow What it actually feels like to live on the streets in Donald's own words How Donald worked at TGI Fridays every day while sleeping outside at night Why the system is failing seniors and the disabled at every level What Donald Whitehead says is the single biggest driver of homelessness The knock on the door on Martin Luther King's birthday that changed   everything What Donald says homeless people actually want from the rest of us"The absolute key to ending homelessness is a dramatic production ofaffordable housing." Donald Whitehead, National Coalition for the Homeless"You know what homeless people want? Eye contact. To be recognized as ahuman being. Let's start there." Donald GardnerThis is Part 2 of a three-part series:Part 1: Adaora Onuora's Story Aging Out of Foster Care into HomelessnessPart 2: Donald Gardner's Story Working and Still Homeless (THIS EPISODE)Part 3: Sharell Matthis's Story A Mother of Six Fights to Keep Her        Family TogetherTo get involved or find resources in your community:National Coalition for the Homeless nationalhomeless.orgThe Color Between the Lines with Esther Dillard is a proud member of theALIVE Podcast Network the first Black-woman-owned podcast network,distributing content across Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts,the ALIVE app, and connected TV platforms including Roku, Apple TV, Fire TV,and Samsung TV.Search The Color Between the Lines wherever you listen to podcasts.New episodes every Tuesday.Chapter Markers0:00  Cold Open "To Live on the Streets Is Very Frightening"0:16  Meet Donald Gardner A Cobbler, a Caretaker, a HUD Contractor0:37  The Pandemic Hit His Business, His Godfather, His Home0:53  Donald's Early Life Learning the Trade at Seven Years Old1:09  Working at TGI Fridays While Sleeping Outside1:30  The Shelter System People Not Recognized as Human Beings1:45  Moving Into His 88-Year-Old Mother's Basement2:01  Working Homeless The Problem Nobody Sees2:23  Seniors Are the Fastest-Growing Homeless Population2:41  Donald Whitehead This Is a Structural Failure3:03  The System Was Not Built for Seniors or the Disabled3:19  It's Systemic Veterans, Seniors, the Overlooked3:36  The Affordable Housing Crisis 7 Million Rent-Burdened Americans4:02  70% of Income on Housing Nothing Left for Anything Else4:20  Minimum Wage Has Not Been Raised in Decades4:35  Back to the Story What the Streets Actually Feel Like4:54  Dignity, Depression, and Not Knowing Where Your Next Meal Is5:26  Where Do You Use the Bathroom? Where Do You Wash Your Clothes?5:42  Hiding Food in Trees to Keep the Rats Away5:57  14 Months in a Hotel Shelter Then a Knock at the Door6:15  Martin Luther King's Birthday 2021 The Voucher6:35  Only One Quarter of Eligible People Ever Get Housing Assistance7:09  Preemptive Eligibility What We Need Now7:31  Donald's Message What People on the Outside Don't Understand7:49  Band Aids Are Not Enough People Need Heart Surgery8:05  Eye Contact The Simplest Thing You Can Give8:35  You Can Give From Your Heart8:54  Donald Gardner Not Because He Failed, But Because the System Did9:10  Visit nationalhomeless.org How to Help9:31  Coming Up Part Three: Sharell's Story

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    Homeless at 20: How Aging Out of Foster Care Almost Cost Her Everything | Ep. 1

    She lost her mother at 15. Was stranded in Nigeria. Came back to Americaand landed straight in foster care. The moment she aged out she was onher own. No family. Two minimum-wage jobs. College classes. And no guaranteeof a place to sleep.This is Adaora Onuora's story.In the first episode of Unhoused and Unheard: The Black Experience ofHomelessness, host Esther Dillard explores what happens when the safety netdoesn't just fail it disappears entirely.Adaora worked two jobs, attended college, and still couldn't make ends meet.She couch-surfed, stretched every dollar, and waited until a nine-minutewindow changed everything.Donald Whitehead, Executive Director of the National Coalition for theHomeless in Washington D.C., explains why homelessness is far broader thanthe stereotype and why the system is failing the most vulnerable Americans."People see homelessness as a moral failure. But really, it's a structuralfailure." Donald Whitehead, National Coalition for the HomelessThis is Part 1 of a three-part series:Part 1: Adaora's Story Aging Out of Foster Care (THIS EPISODE)Part 2: Donald Gardner's Story Working and Still HomelessPart 3: Sharell's Story A Mother of Six Fights to Keep Her Family TogetherTo get involved or donate:National Coalition for the Homeless nationalhomeless.orgThe Color Between the Lines with Esther Dillard is a proud member of theALIVE Podcast Network the first Black-woman-owned podcast network,distributing content across Spotify, Pandora, iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts,the ALIVE app, and connected TV platforms including Roku, Apple TV,Fire TV, and Samsung TV.Search The Color Between the Lines wherever you listen to podcasts.Chapters0:00  Introduction It Can Happen Quickly0:23  Meet Adaora Onuora0:41  Stranded in Nigeria at 151:03  The American Embassy & Coming Home1:20  Straight Into Foster Care1:37  Aging Out The SELA Arrangement2:07  Semi-Independent Living on Minimum Wage2:28  Finding a Place to Call Home3:10  Working Two Jobs and Going to College3:34  Donald Whitehead: This Is a Structural Failure4:15  The Stigma of Homelessness Who Is Really Unhoused?4:35  1.5 Million Children. Veterans. Seniors. The Bigger Picture.5:22  The Biggest Cause of Homelessness: Affordable Housing5:40  Black Americans and Homelessness The Numbers5:59  Working Homeless: The Hidden Reality for Women6:37  Living in Your Car and Getting a Planet Fitness Membership7:02  More People Are Working While Homeless Than You Think7:45  Homelessness Is at a Record High What Changed?8:23  Criminalization, COVID, and the Housing Cost Crisis9:13  The Nine-Minute Window9:31  Welcome Back Adaora's Turning Point9:49  The Phone Call That Changed Everything10:31 Racing to the DSS Office11:09 Submitting the Application11:26 Nine Minutes Later The Window Closes12:00 An Angel Working on Her Behalf12:18 What Became of the Young Lady Behind Her?13:50 A Door Opens Adaora Finishes School14:07 Coming Up: Donald Gardner's Story Part 2#UnhousedAndUnheard #BlackHomelessness #FosterCare #HousingJustice#HomelessnessAwareness #AffordableHousing #WorkingHomeless#TheColorBetweenTheLines #EstherDillard #BINAudio #BlackPodcast#ALIVEPodcastNetwork #SocialJustice #FosterYouth #HousingCrisis#HomelessnessIsStructural #NationalCoalitionForTheHomeless#BlackExperience #Unhoused #CriminalizationOfHomelessness#GrantsPass #HousingVoucher

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    Are We Mis-Educating Our Kids - Dr. Maxine Bryant of Griot Speaks Says Yes

    What happens when children grow up never hearing anything accurate or positive about their own history? According to Dr. Maxine Bryant, founder of Griot Speaks, the damage runs deeper than most people realize and sugarcoating history does not protect children. It miseducates them.In this conversation, Dr. Bryant shares the African proverb that became the foundation of her life's work, why she believes Black genius has been deliberately hidden from the people who need it most, and how a board game she says was downloaded into her spirit is changing the way families, educators and communities connect with accurate Black history.She also gets personal sharing the moment a high school counselor told her she was not college material, and what happened when she decided to prove him wrong.This is a conversation for educators, parents, community leaders and anyone who has ever been told they were not enough.CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction and episode preview 00:18 Meet Dr. Maxine Bryant and Griot Speaks 01:06 The African proverb that became her mission 02:11 What a griot is and why it matters now 03:17 Why telling Black history accurately is essential 04:56 The high school counselor who said she was not college material 06:24 How the Griot Speaks board game came to life 07:54 What happens when people learn Black history through play 09:24 The teacher and the formerly incarcerated man at the same table10:28 Where Griot Speaks is meant to be played 11:31 The app and digital expansion in development 13:05 The difference between the game and the full Griot Speaks platform 14:45 What excites Dr. Bryant most about where she is headed 15:55 Does teaching Black history make white children feel inferior 17:10 Closing thoughts and where to find Dr. Maxine Bryant

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    Modern Lynchings? The Investigation Connecting Ida B. Wells to Today

    More than a century ago, journalist Ida B. Wells risked her life documenting lynchings across the United States in her groundbreaking investigation A Red Record. Today, civil rights investigator Jill Collen Jefferson, founder of the organization JULIAN, says some suspicious deaths in the United States deserve closer scrutiny. In this episode, journalist Esther Dillard speaks with Jefferson about her research examining deaths that families believe were wrongly ruled suicides. Jefferson explains why she believes some cases should be investigated as modern-day lynchings and how her work draws inspiration from the investigative model Ida B. Wells established more than 130 years ago. The conversation explores the challenges of investigating these cases, the importance of language in civil rights investigations, and why asking difficult questions remains central to journalism.#IdaBWells #InvestigativeJournalism #CivilRights #ModernLynching #BlackHistory #JournalismMatters #TrueCrimeInvestigation #SocialJustice

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    Harriet Tubman’s Civil War Secret: The Military Story History Almost Erased

    Most people know Harriet Tubman as the fearless conductor of the Underground Railroad. But far fewer know that she also served as a Civil War scout, spy, and military leader for the Union Army. In this episode of ERASED, award-winning journalist Esther Dillard explores Harriet Tubmans powerful and often overlooked role during the Civil War, including her leadership in the historic Combahee River Raid, a military operation that helped free more than 700 enslaved people. The episode also features insight from Harriet Tubmans great-great-great grandniece, who shares reflections on Tubmans legacy and why preserving the full story of her life still matters today. Through archival history, personal storytelling, and expert insight, this episode reveals how parts of Harriet Tubmans story have been overlookedand why reclaiming that history is so important. Topics covered in this episode: Harriet Tubmans Civil War military service The Combahee River Raid Black soldiers and freedom fighters in the Civil War The importance of preserving accurate Black history ERASED is a storytelling series that examines historical figures whose contributions have been overlooked, misunderstood, or erased from mainstream narratives. Host: Esther Dillard Series: The Color Between the Lines

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    Raising Strong Girls in 2026: Gloria Steinem & Leymah Gbowee on Courage, Racism & Sisterhood

    We are living in a moment of visible racism, rising authoritarianism, and uncertainty for many families. In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, Esther Dillard sits down with feminist leader Gloria Steinem and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Leymah Gbowee to discuss why they wrote the childrens book Rise, Girl, Rise: Our Sister-Friend Journey. Together for All. But this conversation goes far beyond a book. They talk about: How to raise strong girls in politically uncertain times What courage really means for young girls How women can build togetherhood in divided spaces Why legacy is not built on trends How to speak honestly to children about racism and fear What this decade demands from women and parents Gloria Steinem has been one of the most recognized feminist organizers in modern American history and co-founder of the Womens Media Center. Leymah Gbowee is a Liberian peace activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner who helped lead the womens movement that ended Liberias civil war. If you are raising, mentoring, or advocating for girls in this moment this conversation is for you. Subscribe to The Color Between the Lines for more conversations at the intersection of history, justice, leadership, and storytelling. CHAPTER MARKERS 00:00 Living in a Moment of Racism & Fear 00:16 Why Speak to Girls Now? 01:14 Why Write the Book Together? 02:13 In 2026 We Wanted to Show Something Different 03:12 A Human Book, Not Just a Childrens Book 03:35 Courage: No One Is Born Great 04:15 Legacy Is Never Built on Trends 04:52 Gloria Steinems Mother & Early Influence 05:42 Women Working Together Change History 06:19 First Impressions & Mutual Respect 07:41 Traveling to North Korea & Leadership 08:22 Raising Girls During Visible Racism 09:03 A Gentle Message in a Screaming World 09:39 Togetherhood Will Never Fail 10:16 Why You Will Always Need Someone to Hold Your Hand 10:32 Learning from Women in India 11:28 Final Thoughts & Book Information

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    How One Vote Ended Reconstruction: Jim Clyburn on the 1876 Election and Today’s Voting Rights Battle

    Did Reconstruction fall apart or was it ended by a single vote? In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, South Carolina Congressman James Clyburn explains how three razor-thin votes reshaped American history including the impeachment of Andrew Johnson, the disputed 1876 election, and the decision that effectively ended Reconstruction. By an 87 commission vote, Reconstruction came to an end. What followed was nearly 100 years of Jim Crow. Congressman Clyburn draws powerful parallels between the collapse of the first Reconstruction and todays debates over voting rights, Supreme Court decisions, and democratic institutions. We also explore the extraordinary life of Robert Smalls the formerly enslaved man who stole a Confederate ship, delivered it to Union forces, helped establish free public education in South Carolina, and served in Congress. If youve ever wondered: What ended Reconstruction? What was the Compromise of 1876? How did one vote change American history? Could democracy shift again? This conversation connects the past to the present. Because as Congressman Clyburn says: The three most consequential things that happened to Black people in this country were each decided by a single vote. The Color Between the Lines is Hosted by Esther Dillard.

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    How to Build Wealth (Not Just Make Money) | Dr. Willie Jolley

    Whats the real difference between being rich and being wealthy? In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, Dr. Willie Jolley breaks down the distinction between income and ownership and why that difference can determine whether your financial success lasts for one generation or many. We explore: Rich vs wealthy explained Why saving alone isnt enough How to build a simple wealth system The mindset shift required for generational wealth A powerful story of a retired firefighter who turned $12,000 into nearly $890,000 Why high income does not automatically equal wealth If youve been working hard but wondering how to move from earning money to building assets, this conversation offers clarity and practical insight. Because wealth isnt just about what you make. Its about what you build. Book: Rich Is Good, Wealthy Is Better by Dr. Willie Jolley Subscribe for more conversations that connect money, policy, history, and generational power.#RichVsWealthy #BuildWealth #GenerationalWealth #FinancialLiteracy #BlackWealth #MoneyMindset

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    Melba Moore: Broadway, the Tony Award, Faith, and the Journey Behind This Is It

    Tony Awardwinning performer and Broadway trailblazer Melba Moore joins The Color Between the Lines for an intimate, wide-ranging conversation about her life, career, and the personal journey behind her memoir, This Is It: Marvelous and Getting Better.In this interview, Moore reflects on: Her defining Broadway role in Purlie and what it meant to win a Tony Award without formal theater training Growing up with strong grassroots values and how family shaped her resilience Navigating success, setbacks, and financial hardship in the entertainment industry The role of faith in surviving difficult seasons and rebuilding her life Why legacy, forgiveness, and healing matter more than accolades Moore also shares reflections on mentorship, Black artists creating their own paths, and what it means to look back on a career that helped open doors for generations to come. This conversation is a meditation on perseverance, purpose, and what it truly means to endure and evolve in the spotlight.

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    Why Didn’t We Learn About Robert Smalls in School? Reconstruction and Erased Black History

    Why didnt most Americans learn about Robert Smalls in school? Robert Smalls was formerly enslaved, stole a Confederate ship during the Civil War, freed his family and crew, and later became a United States Congressman during Reconstruction. And yet, his story is rarely taught in classrooms. In this explainer, journalist and storyteller Esther Dillard explores why Robert Smalls legacy was left out of history education, how Reconstruction was reframed as a failure, and how the erasure of Black political leadership still shapes how we understand citizenship, democracy, and power today. This episode connects to the animated documentary ERASED The Robert Smalls Story and invites listeners to reflect on what else we may have been taught to forget. Watch the full documentary on YouTube. https://youtu.be/-MWiO_FA_I0?si=F-4gvT1pnaymCSa4 Read the full essay and historical context at EstherDillard.comhttps://estherdillard.com/why-dont-we-learn-about-robert-smalls-in-school/

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    Why Victims Don’t Leave Abusive Relationships | Nathaniel Fields on Domestic Violence, Pets & Immigration

    Its one of the most common and misunderstood questions people ask about domestic violence. In this episode, Im joined by Nathaniel Fields, CEO of the Urban Resource Institute, to break down what survivors are really weighing when they decide whether to stay or leave. We talk about the realities many people never consider including why survivors may stay to protect their pets, how immigration status can make leaving more dangerous than staying, and why shame and fear often keep people trapped in unsafe homes. Nathaniel also explains how survivor-centered systems work, why punishment alone doesnt stop violence, and how programs like PALS (People and Animals Living Safely) and intervention initiatives are designed to interrupt cycles of harm before they repeat. This conversation goes beyond awareness to explain what actually helps survivors reach safety and why domestic violence is a community issue, not a personal failure. If youve ever wondered why leaving isnt simple, or what real prevention looks like, this episode provides answers.

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    Fair Lending in the Age of AI: What’s Legal, What’s Risky, and Who Gets Hurt

    Fair lending laws were designed to protect people not algorithms. So what happens when artificial intelligence starts deciding who qualifies for a loan, a mortgage, or financial opportunity? In this explainer episode, journalist Esther Dillard breaks down how AI is being used in lending, what federal fair lending laws actually require, and where technology is already raising serious civil rights concerns. This episode is connected to my in-depth conversation with Alphonso David, a nationally recognized civil rights leader and legal expert, who explains how automation and algorithms can quietly reinforce discrimination even without intent. Youll learn: How AI is being used in lending decisions today Why neutral algorithms can still produce biased outcomes What fair lending laws say and where the gaps are Why this issue matters now, not later This explainer sets the stage for the full interview, where we go deeper into accountability, enforcement, and what consumers and policymakers should be paying attention to.

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    Looking Back: A Year of Conversations on History, Power & Storytelling

    As a new year begins, this episode takes a moment to pause and reflect on the conversations that shaped the past one. Over the last year on The Color Between the Lines, I spoke with authors, advocates, and public voices about history, power, health, and the stories that continue to influence our communities. This episode looks back at a few of those conversationsnot as nostalgia, but as context for where we are now. Featuring moments from conversations with ALelia Bundles, LaTosha Brown, and Tia Mowry, this reflection explores legacy, collective power, health advocacy, and why storytelling still matters. As the show moves forwardincluding a return to my animated history series, ERASED: The Untold American Storythis episode offers clarity, perspective, and a moment to listen back. Subscribe to The Color Between the Lines for thoughtful conversations connecting history, culture, and the present moment.Key moments: 00:00 Looking Back00:28 Why Reflection Matters01:10 A Year of Conversations02:05 Legacy, History & ALelia Bundles03:45 Economic Power & Collective Action05:12 Health, Advocacy & Tia Mowry06:48 Storytelling, Responsibility & Voice07:52 What These Conversations Reveal08:48 What Comes Next#LookingBack#TheColorBetweenTheLines#BlackHistory#Storytelling#BlackVoices#Advocacy#SocialJustice#HistoryAndCulture

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    Do Economic Boycotts Work? History, Strategy, and the Real Impact of Collective Action

    Do economic boycotts actually work or are they just symbolic gestures?In this companion episode of The Color Between the Lines, journalist and educator Esther Dillard examines how economic protest has shaped real change in American history from Elizabeth Jennings 1854 streetcar case to the Montgomery Bus Boycott, and into present-day movements.Drawing on historical precedent and modern examples including commentary from Jamal Bryant on the Target boycott this episode breaks down when and why economic pressure succeeds, and why visibility alone is never enough.In this episode, youll learn: The historical blueprint behind successful economic boycotts Why sustained, organized action matters more than viral moments How education turns outrage into strategy The economic conditions institutions actually respond to This episode is a companion reflection to ERASED: The Untold American Story, which explores overlooked Black history and its relevance today. For educators, organizers, and lifelong learners, this episode offers historical grounding and practical insight into how collective action creates measurable impact.00:00 Do economic boycotts actually work?00:32 When economic protest creates measurable impact00:48 Pastor Jamal Bryant on the Target boycott and stock impact01:22 Elizabeth Jennings and the economic roots of civil rights01:42 Why public transportation was an economic pressure point02:16 Black buying power and why economic decisions matter02:47 The Montgomery Bus Boycott as an economic strategy03:19 Why visibility alone doesnt force change03:52 Sustained pressure vs. viral moments04:25 How discipline and organization created integration04:59 Why consistency, not emotion, drives movements05:37 What makes economic pressure effective06:15 How boycotts disrupt corporate confidence and markets06:32 The psychological power of collective participation07:08 Why education sustains long-term protest07:49 How historical context builds endurance08:06 The conditions under which boycotts succeed08:44 Connecting Elizabeth Jennings to modern movements08:59 Invitation to explore the ERASED series Watch the full ERASED: The Elizabeth Jennings Story and explore companion resources at The Color Between the Lines.#EconomicBoycotts#BlackHistory#CivilRights#CollectiveAction#CivicEducation#ERASED#TheColorBetweenTheLines

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    New Threats to Fair Lending Laws: Alphonso David on Modern-Day Redlining

    Civil rights advocates are warning about a proposed rule from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that could significantly weaken enforcement of fair lending laws making it harder to challenge discriminatory lending practices.In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard speaks with Alphonso David, President and CEO of the Global Black Economic Forum and a longtime civil rights attorney, about why this policy change matters now.David explains how eliminating the use of disparate impact could open the door to modern-day redlining, limit Special Purpose Credit Programs, and widen the racial wealth gap particularly for Black homebuyers, entrepreneurs, and working families.The conversation breaks down whats happening behind the scenes, how policy decisions shape everyday lives, and why public awareness and engagement remain critical as civil rights protections face renewed challenges.This is an audio-only interview. Subscribe to the podcast and my Substack. https://substack.com/@iamestherdillard?utm_campaign=profile&utm_medium=profile-page

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    LaTosha Brown on the “We Ain’t Buying It” Campaign and the Power of Black Economic Resistance

    In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, journalist and host Esther Dillard speaks with LaTosha Brown, co-founder of Black Voters Matter, about the national We Aint Buying It economic pressure campaign. Launched during the Black FridayCyber Monday shopping season, the campaign urges consumers to withhold spending from major corporations accused of enabling policies that undermine voting rights, racial equity, immigrant communities, and economic justice. Brown explains how corporate rollbacks on DEI, political alignment with authoritarian power, and rising economic instability are pushing everyday people to reclaim their power through intentional spending. Drawing historical parallels to the Montgomery Bus Boycott and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.s focus on economic justice, Brown shares why redirecting our dollars is not just a protest but a democratic act. This conversation explores the intersection of capitalism, civil rights, corporate accountability, and community wealth-building, offering listeners a powerful framework for action during the holiday season and beyond.#LaToshaBrown #WeAintBuyingIt #BlackVotersMatter #EconomicJustice #BlackEconomicPower #CorporateAccountability #CivilRights #MLKLegacy #ConsumerActivism

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    A Holiday Wake-Up Call on Black Health & Cancer Awareness

    Actress, entrepreneur, and author Tia Mowry joins Esther Dillard for a powerful conversation about family, food, and the difficult health conversations we often avoid during the holidays. In this intimate interview, Tia opens up about: Losing her grandmother and aunt to cancer Her own abnormal mammogram scare and what it taught her Why Black families face higher cancer death rates How the American Cancer Societys new campaign, Recipes to Change the Odds, empowers families to talk about screenings and early detection The influence of endometriosis, misdiagnosis, and chronic pain on her wellness journey The small but meaningful changes families can make around the dinner table Her favorite holiday traditions, recipes, and how she stays grounded as a mom of two This is more than a celebrity conversation its a reminder that the holidays are a time for joy, connection, and protecting the people we love. Listen now to hear how Tia Mowry hopes to help Black families change the odds against cancer, one honest conversation at a time. Watch the full series Changing the Odds Against Cancer with Tia Mowry: https://www.cancer.org/change-the-odds YouTube: Changing the Odds Against Cancer with Tia Mowry Subscribe to The Color Between the Lines for more interviews that inspire, inform, and shine a light on stories that deserve to be heard.YouTube Channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelinesPlease subscribe to my Substack for more behind the scenes content: https://substack.com/@iamestherdillard#TiaMowry #BlackHealthMatters #CancerAwareness #ChangeTheOdds #EndometriosisAwareness #HolidayHealth #BlackWellness #AmericanCancerSociety

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    ERASED: The Forgotten Freedom Ride Before Rosa Parks — The Elizabeth Jennings Story

    In this special episode of The Color Between the Lines, Esther Dillard brings forward a hidden chapter of American civil rights history that predates Rosa Parks by more than a century. Before the Montgomery Bus Boycott before Jim Crow was challenged in the Supreme Court before the modern civil rights movement had a name there was Elizabeth Jennings. In 1854, on the streets of New York City, a young Black schoolteacher was violently forced off a segregated streetcar after refusing to give up her seat. Her braveryalong with the activism of her father, abolitionist Thomas L. Jennings, and the legal skill of a young lawyer named Chester A. Arthur (the man who would later become President)led to a landmark court victory that began the dismantling of segregation in New Yorks public transit system. This episode honors the overlooked legacy of Elizabeth Jennings while drawing a powerful connection to Rosa Parks, whose own courageous act took place 101 years later on December 1, 1955. Esther also shares the inspiration behind her new animated documentary series, ERASED, produced in partnership with Amplified Voices TV, which brings these long-ignored stories to life through painterly animation and historical storytelling. If you believe in the power of truth, storytelling, and preserving Black history, this episode is for you. Watch the animated premiere on YouTube: The Color Between the Lines Follow the podcast: Available on Alive Podcast Network, iHeartRadio, and wherever you get your podcasts.#erasedseries #elizabethjennings #blackhistory #civilrightshistory #rosaparks #animateddocumentary #thecolorbetweenthelines #amplifiedvoicestv #hiddenhistory #untoldstories #blackwomenhistory #abolitionistmovement #freedomriders #historypodcast #alivepodcastnetwork

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    10 Ways to Spot a Fake AI Image (Before You Get Fooled!)

    AI is getting better but its also getting bolder. And last week, a viral post claiming Patti LaBelle visited Chaka Khan in the hospital fooled thousands of people. It looked emotional. It looked dramatic. It looked real until I started checking the facts. VEED-subtitles_Esther's Video - In this episode of The Color Between The Lines, I break down 10 quick, journalist-approved ways to spot an AI-generated fake photo before you share it. These tips will help you recognize: melting or doubled fingers mismatched eye reflections warped backgrounds misspelled text impossible jewelry emotional manipulation hooks fake timelines missing credible sources AND how to reverse-search an image using Google Lens People are being fooled not because theyre careless, but because AI tools are designed to confuse even smart, thoughtful readers. My recent LinkedIn comment on this Patti/Chaka photo reached 7,000+ impressions, which told me this is something people need help with. This video is your quick guide to staying sharp, protecting yourself online, and not letting the internet play with your emotions.If you found this helpful, please like, comment, and subscribe. It helps me bring you more episodes that inform, protect, and elevate our community. Want to see the screenshots and examples? Watch the full video the visual breakdown is here.https://youtu.be/38lp8o7mQ-w LISTEN ON AUDIO: Apple | Spotify | iHeart | Amazon (add your links) WATCH MORE FROM THE COLOR BETWEEN THE LINES: Interviews, storytelling lessons, media literacy, and conversations that matter.https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines#medialiteracy #aifakes #misinformation #factcheck #storytelling #journalist #blackvoices #digitalawareness #aiimage #aiethics #colorbetweenthelines

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    How One Mom Turned Tragedy Into Purpose — And the Nonprofit Helping Her Scale It

    In this powerful episode, Esther Dillard sits down with VuAn Foster, founder of Life After 2 Losses, a New Jersey nonprofit providing free grief support to families after pregnancy and infant loss with a special focus on Black mothers who are too often ignored in medical settings. VuAn shares the heartbreaking moment a nurse told her your baby is going to die and the painful neglect that followed. But she also explains how she transformed her grief into advocacy, education, and healing for thousands of families across the country. Were also joined by SPARK NJ, a trust-based philanthropy initiative that awarded VuAn a $15,000 grant to help expand her mission. Their model removes red tape and uplifts small, Black-led nonprofits making frontline impact. If you care about maternal health, racial equity, community healing, or the power of storytelling this episode will stay with you.#lifeafter2losses #vuanfoster #sparknj #blackmaternalhealth #pregnancyloss #blacknonprofits #griefsupport #healafterloss #communitycare #racialhealthequity #trustbasedphilanthropy #theblackperspective

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    James & Krista White on Culture Design and Inclusive Leadership

    In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, journalist and host Esther Dillard speaks with James and Krista White, the father-daughter team behind the acclaimed book Culture Design: Strategies for Building Diverse, Equitable, and Innovative Organizations. They discuss what it really takes to build company cultures that dont just talk about diversity but live it. From boardrooms to classrooms, the Whites share practical steps leaders can take to create spaces where everyone feels valued, respected, and heard. Key topics include: Why culture must start at the top and how leaders can model inclusion How Gen Z and millennial employees are reshaping workplace expectations Lessons from real-world companies that got it right The importance of intergenerational collaboration in equity work Hosted by Esther Dillard, award-winning journalist and storytelling strategist.

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    Dr. Jeanne Nutter on Preserving Black History | Walnut Street YMCA & YWCA Legacy

    In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, journalist Esther Dillard speaks with author, filmmaker, and educator Dr. Jeanne Nutter, whose new book Images of America: Walnut Street YMCA and YWCA celebrates a pivotal piece of Black history in Wilmington, Delaware.Dr. Nutter reveals the untold stories of how the Walnut Street Y became a hub for Black excellence, community leadership, and cultural pride during segregation bringing together ministers, educators, and everyday citizens under one roof. In this episode, youll learn:How Black YMCAs and YWCAs shaped generations of leaders nationwideWhy preserving community archives safeguards our cultural identityThe inspiring stories of Marian Anderson, George Washington Carver, and local icons featured in the bookHow the Y served as both a safe haven and a foundation for social change Listen to hear how one womans passion for storytelling and history continues to illuminate the legacy of Black resilience and creativity. Order Images of America: Walnut Street YMCA and YWCA wherever books are sold. Subscribe to Esthers newsletter for more stories of culture and historyhttps://iamestherdillard.substack.com/#DrJeanneNutter #BlackHistory #WalnutStreetYMCA #YWCA #DelawareHistory #ArcadiaPublishing #BlackCulture #TheColorBetweenTheLines #EstherDillard #CommunityLegacy

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    Michael Wynn on Habits, Healing & Financial Stability | Habits Don’t Lie

    In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, journalist Esther Dillard speaks with author and financial coach Michael Wynn, whose book Habits Dont Lie shows how small, consistent actions can create major life breakthroughs.Michael opens up about overcoming bipolar depression, bankruptcy, and self-sabotage, and how developing the right habitsand faithhelped him rebuild both his finances and his peace of mind. We discuss:Why financial stability must come before financial freedomHow faith and mindset can reshape self-worthBreaking cycles of stress, debt, and self-sabotage in Black communitiesThe practical steps to creating your own habit matrix for success Listen, reflect, and share this conversation about resilience, responsibility, and rewriting your story. Subscribe to Esthers newsletter for more inspiration  https://iamestherdillard.substack.com/?utm_campaign=profile_chips

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    Policing, Race, and Authoritarian Power with Dr. Phillip Atiba Solomon

    In this powerful episode of The Color Between the Lines, journalist Esther Dillard speaks with Dr. Phillip Atiba Solomon, Professor of Psychology and Black Studies at Yale University and Co-Founder of the Center for Policing Equity.Dr. Solomon warns that the growing militarization of Americas police and cities could signal a dangerous shift toward authoritarianism. He explains how federal overreach threatens community safety, why trustnot forcecreates true public security, and what history teaches us about resisting systems of oppression.Together, we explore:The real impact of deploying the military for law and order.Why safety and civil liberties arent oppositestheyre intertwined.How communities can build trust, equity, and resistance to authoritarian power. Subscribe for more data-driven and human-centered conversations about race, policy, and justice. Sign up for Esthers newsletter for more stories that challenge, inform, and inspire action https://iamestherdillard.substack.com/#PhilipAtibaSolomon #PolicingEquity #Authoritarianism #CivilRights #RaceAndJustice #EstherDillard #TheColorBetweenTheLines #SocialJustice #CommunityTrust #MilitarizationOfPolice

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    Tami Charles: Finding Hope and Unity Through Her Final Book Together United

    In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard talks with Tami Charles, New York Times bestselling author of All Because You Matter, about her newest and final book in the trilogy Together United. Tami shares how her son inspired the first story, how she and illustrator Bryan Collier collaborated to bring its message to life, and why she believes unity only happens when we take time to learn from those who are different from us. They also discuss the challenges of book bans, the importance of representation, and how young readers can use their gifts to make a difference right now. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about creativity, courage, and connection and discover how Together United calls us all to celebrate our shared humanity.

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    Jimmy Jean on The Purpose Driven Influencer | Secrets to Lasting Success

    How do you find success in a world obsessed with likes, followers, and quick wins? Author and motivational speaker Jimmy Jean says the answer is purpose. In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, Jimmy shares insights from his new book The Purpose Driven Influencer a soulful guide to authentic living and leading from the heart. From his early days working as a janitor to becoming a motivational voice, Jimmy explains why excellence, intention, and inner purpose matter more than algorithms. In this interview, youll learn: The mops and buckets principle that shaped Jimmys life How to move from chasing likes to creating with purpose Why your work matters even with a small platform Daily practices to build an authentic inner brand Dont miss this inspiring conversation on building influence with integrity and purpose. Listen on The Black Perspective Subscribe to The Color Between the Lines on YouTube for more author interviews and powerful stories.

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    New Culture Hub: Books, Stories & the African Diaspora with Melody Capote

    The Caribbean Cultural Center African Diaspora Institute (CCCADI) has opened a brand-new Culture Hub in New York City a space where books, stories, performance, and history come together to celebrate the African Diaspora.In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, Executive Director Melody Capote shares how the Hub will connect authors, artists, and community voices. We explore how storytelling, literature, and cultural performance can preserve history and inspire future generations. What youll hear in this episode:Why CCCADI created this new Hub for books, history, and performanceHow the African Diasporas stories are being preserved and celebratedThe role of authors and artists in building community and cultural memoryMelody Capotes vision for the future of cultural storytellingIf youre passionate about books, history, and Black voices in the Diaspora, this conversation is for you. Learn more about CCCADI: [insert link] Explore more interviews with authors and storytellers: Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Kimberly Minor on WOCRA’s B.I.G. Summit 2025: Solutions for Women of Color in Retail

    More than 300,000 Black women have lost jobs this year. But one leader is determined to change the narrative.In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard speaks with Kimberly Lee Minor, CEO of the Women of Color Retail Alliance (WOCRA), about the upcoming B.I.G. Summit 2025 Blaze. Innovate. Grow.Kimberly shares how the summit will:Put women of color in the room with retails biggest decision-makers.Provide leadership, resilience, and AI/tech training for long-term career growth.Offer solutionsnot just conversationsfor women now searching for employment. Event Date: Thursday, September 25, 2025 Location: Microsoft Headquarters, Times Square, New York City Deadline to Register: Monday, September 22 Learn more at https://www.wocretailalliance.org/big-summit or connect on LinkedIn: Women of Color Retail Alliance.#BIGSummit2025 #KimberlyMinor #WOCRA #WomenOfColor #RetailLeadership #CareerOpportunities #EstherDillard Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Satori Shakoor: Menopause Uncensored in Confessions of a Menopausal Femme Fatale

    What does it mean to turn a deeply personal, often taboo experience into powerful art?In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, journalist Esther Dillard sits down with award-winning storyteller, comedian, and social entrepreneur Satori Shakoor. From touring with George Clinton and Parliament-Funkadelic as one of the iconic Brides of Funkenstein to creating Detroits Secret Society of Twisted Storytellers, Shakoor has built a career on telling bold, authentic stories.Now, shes taking the stage with her one-woman show, Confessions of a Menopausal Femme Fatale a raw, funny, and fearless journey through her 12 years of menopause. In this interview, Shakoor shares why she uses humor and storytelling to break silence around womens health, how activism and art intersect, and why this conversation matters for women everywhere. Watch Confessions of a Menopausal Femme Fatale now streaming on Amazon Primehttps://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Menopausal-Fatale-Jonathan-Jewell-Chatten/dp/B0DWSQPX28/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3B5UKZLLGJ1SH&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.rTnC9AgYBVRyfyZFta4vGIn_VPuZmBcAmr-5KDgmCdE.gC9pBGX6iyAixrFFHtYQVCMybTE_S4yD4NPXk-o5q48&dib_tag=se&keywords=Confessions+of+a+Menopausal+Femme+Fatale&qid=1757783760&sprefix=confessions+of+a+menopausal+femme+fatale%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-1 Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    ICE Raids and Haitian Voices - Imaeyen Ibanga Interview - Zip Codes Documentary

    Award-winning journalist and filmmaker Imaeyen Ibanga (AJ+) joins Esther Dillard to discuss her acclaimed documentary series Zip Codes, which explores the Haitian immigration crisis and the realities Black immigrants face in America.We talk about:The human impact of ICE raids and deportationsHow U.S. history and policy shape Haitis struggles todayWhy Haitian voices must be centered in immigration conversationsThis is a timely and powerful interview that connects history, policy, and humanity. Subscribe to my newsletter for more stories that matter https://colorbrief.beehiiv.com/ Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Contessa Gayles on “The Debutantes,” Black Womanhood & Reclaiming Tradition

    In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard speaks with Contessa Gayles, the Emmy-nominated director and producer behind the acclaimed documentary The Debutantes.Through powerful storytelling and intimate visuals, The Debutantes reimagines the legacy of Black debutante cultureexploring how young women of color use these traditions to assert their identity, build community, and challenge stereotypes.Gayles discusses the inspiration for the film, the historical context of Black debutante balls, and the deeply personal stories that emerged during production. She also reflects on the importance of centering Black womens voices in media and what it means to create art that celebrates cultural pride while sparking conversation. In this episode, youll learn:The history and evolution of Black debutante ballsHow The Debutantes reframes a tradition often overlooked in mainstream mediaWhy representation and cultural ownership matter in storytellingBehind-the-scenes insights from an Emmy-nominated filmmakerThe power of art to preserve history and inspire the next generationWhether you love documentaries, Black history, or stories of women reclaiming tradition, this conversation will move and inspire you. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    A’Lelia Bundles on Madam C.J. Walker’s Legacy, Black History & the Power of Storytelling

    In this inspiring episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard speaks with award-winning journalist and author ALelia Bundles, the great-great-granddaughter of the legendary entrepreneur Madam C.J. Walker.ALelia shares her journey of preserving and telling her familys history, the untold stories behind Madam C.J. Walkers rise as Americas first self-made female millionaire, and why Black womens narratives remain essential to understanding American history. In this episode, youll learn:How Madam C.J. Walker built her beauty empire and influenced generations of Black entrepreneursThe role of family archives and historical research in keeping legacies aliveWhy telling authentic stories matters now more than everALelia Bundles personal reflections on identity, heritage, and cultural preservationAdvice for writers and historians committed to telling underrepresented storiesWhether youre passionate about Black history, womens entrepreneurship, or the power of storytelling, this conversation will leave you inspired to preserve your own familys legacy. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Kennedy Ryan: Black Love, Caregiving & Writing Softness in Can’t Get Enough

    What happens when Black love is rooted in softness, caregiving, and legacy?In this episode, award-winning author Kennedy Ryan sits down with journalist Esther Dillard to talk about her newest novel Cant Get Enougha story that centers a Black male caregiver, an evolving romance, and the quiet strength found in caring for a loved one with Alzheimers.We explore:Why writing tenderness in Black love stories mattersThe challenges and beauty of caregivingHow Kennedy weaves activism into fictionThe importance of bodily autonomy in romantic relationshipsWhat legacy really meansespecially in Black communitiesIf youve ever cared for someone, loved someone through pain, or searched for stories that feel like home this episode is for you. Cant Get Enough is available now. Subscribe to The Color Between the Lines for more interviews with powerful Black and Brown storytellers. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Fighting for Special Needs Families: Lola Greene on Budget Cuts, Disability Rights & Grassroots Action

    Buzzsprout Podcast Description:In this powerful episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard speaks with Lola Greene, founder of Urban Indigo and the first Special Education PTSA in Georgia. As a passionate advocate for children with disabilities and their families, Lola shares personal insight into whats at stake as budget cuts and federal policy changes threaten vital services like Medicaid, speech therapy, occupational therapy, and transitional support.Lola doesnt just highlight the problemsshe brings solutions. From launching parent advocacy fellowships to partnering with foster care experts and urban leadership programs, shes equipping families to protect their rights and raise their voices in halls of power. In this episode, youll learn:How proposed federal and state budget cuts may impact IEPs, 504 plans, and special education programsWhat families can do right now to prepare and advocate for their childrenWhy community, housing insecurity, and disability are deeply interconnectedHow Urban Indigo is empowering parents and future grassroots leadersRecommended books like Wrightslaw: From Emotions to Advocacy and Black Disability Politics by Sami SchalkThis isnt just policyits personal. And Lola Greene reminds us that no one is coming to save uswe must save ourselves. Whether you're a parent, educator, policymaker, or concerned ally, this conversation will move you to act. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Sharon G. Flake on Fatherhood, Vulnerability & Black Boyhood in “The Family I’m In”

    In this deeply moving episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard sits down with award-winning author Sharon G. Flake, best known for her iconic book The Skin Im In, to discuss her powerful new release, The Family Im Ina heartfelt sequel exploring father-son dynamics, masculinity, and the emotional lives of Black boys.Sharon shares what inspired her to revisit the characters of Malika and John-John, shedding light on:The pressure young Black boys face to man upThe complicated relationships between fathers and sonsThe often-overlooked vulnerability, humor, and emotional depth of teenage boysWhy she believes Black boys deserve space to feel, question, and growThis episode speaks directly to educators, parents, book clubs, and youth advocates searching for stories that honor the complexity of Black identity and family life. Youll also hear how Flake has reached over 300,000 young people through school visitsand how you can invite her to speak at your organization. Whether youre a longtime fan of The Skin Im In or discovering Sharon Flake for the first time, this conversation is a must-listen for anyone raising, teaching, or loving young Black boys. Like this episode? Subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a teacher, parent, or teen in your life. Visit SharonGFlake.com to learn more or book her for a school visit. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    HIV Is Not a Gay Disease: A Wake-Up Call for the Black Community

    In this powerful episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard sits down with Grazell Howard, Board Chair of the Black AIDS Institute, for a compelling conversation that pulls back the curtain on HIV and AIDS in Black communities.Howard, a passionate advocate and strategist, shares sobering facts and uplifting solutions about how HIV disproportionately affects not only Black gay menbut also heterosexual Black women, who now make up nearly 50% of new HIV diagnoses among women in the U.S. She breaks down persistent myths, explains what the "Black community" truly encompasses, and outlines what tools exist today to prevent and fight the disease.Whether you're part of the diaspora or a concerned ally, this episode is a must-listen wake-up call packed with truth, strategy, and hope. Highlights include:Why HIV is not just a gay diseaseHow the epidemic is hitting heterosexual Black women hardestWhat the Black AIDS Institute is doing to educate and equip our communitiesThe importance of reframing how we define "Black" in healthcare advocacy Tune in and share this episodeit could save a life. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Uncovering Truths: Ancestry’s Groundbreaking “Articles of Enslavement” Collection

    In this powerful episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard speaks with Nika Sewell-Smith, Senior Story Producer and Genealogist at Ancestry.com, about a revolutionary new research tool: the Articles of Enslavement Collection.This collection uses AI to surface hundreds of thousands of historical newspaper clippings that mention enslaved individualsfreedom seekers, auction listings, and morehelping Black families trace their roots through a dark but vital chapter in American history.Nika breaks down:What the Articles of Enslavement project isHow artificial intelligence was used to identify and index these historical recordsWhy this resource could be a game changer for Black genealogical researchThe emotional impact of finding specific names, heights, weights, and hometowns of enslaved ancestorsWhether you're new to genealogy or continuing the work of a loved one, this episode will move you and provide a valuable roadmap for discovering family history once thought lost. Listen in to discover how our ancestors' stories are being reclaimed, one article at a time. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Bellen Woodard on Ballet Brown, Representation, and Creating Her Own Path

    At just 13 years old, Bellen Woodard is leading a powerful movementone crayon and ballet slipper at a time. In this heartfelt conversation on The Color Between the Lines, Bellen opens up about the moment she was told brown tights werent part of the ballet uniformand how that led to her new book, Ballet Brown.Host Esther Dillard dives into Bellens journey from starting the More Than Peach project to challenging outdated norms in dance, publishing, and education. Together, they explore what it means to create inclusive spaces where every child sees themselves reflectedin art, on stage, and in life. Subscribe to the podcast to hear more conversations that celebrate powerful voices, bold storytelling, and Black and Brown excellence.#BellenWoodard #BalletBrown #MoreThanPeach #RepresentationMatters #BlackGirlsDanceToo #TheColorBetweenTheLines #EstherDillard #PodcastForChange #InclusiveEducation #BuzzsproutPodcast About Esther Dillard:Esther Dillard is an award-winning journalist and host of The Color Between the Lines, a platform that spotlights untold stories, powerful voices, and issues impacting underrepresented communities. She has a passion for truth and advocacy and brings depth, empathy, and fearless storytelling to every conversation.FB: https://www.facebook.com/iamestherdillardIG: https://www.instagram.com/iamestherdillardLINKEDIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esther-dillard-28a13b35/Music: Let's Groove by Hotham is licensed under a Creative Commons License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/... Stream: https://linktr.ee/hothammusic Free Download: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DrqT... Support by RFM - NCM: https://bit.ly/2xGHypM Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Dr. Robin L. Smith on Collective Grief, Healing, and Honoring the Wholeness of Black Lives

    Renowned psychologist and author Dr. Robin L. Smith joins Esther Dillard for a profound and emotional conversation on the anniversary of George Floyds death. In this episode of The Color Between the Lines, Dr. Smith reflects on personal loss, the spiritual ache felt in the Black community, and why its crucial to remember the whole person when we say Black Lives Matter.She shares lessons from her book The Invisible Ache, co-authored with Emmy Award-winning actor Courtney B. Vance, and explores the intersection of individual grief and collective trauma.This episode is for anyone seeking healing, truth, and a deeper understanding of how personal loss mirrors national painand how storytelling can be a pathway to transformation. Subscribe now to The Color Between the Lines for more episodes that heal, uplift, and challenge. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Dr. Alvin B. Tillery: The Fallout After Trump’s Election and the Fight for Civil Rights

    Dr. Alvin B. Tillery breaks down how Trumps policies are threatening civil rights in America and what Black voters can do to fight back.Join Esther Dillard on 'The Color Between The Lines' for a pivotal discussion with Dr. Alvin B Tillery. In this powerful interview, Dr. Alvin B. Tillery, a renowned political analyst, breaks down how Trumps policies are directly attacking civil rights in America. As the nation faces growing political divides, Dr. Tillery explores the impact of the Trump administration on Black America and vulnerable communities, offering critical insights into the future of racial justice and equity.Dr. Tillery delves into key topics, including the Civil Rights Act, Agenda 47, and Project 2025, shedding light on the white nationalist agenda and how it threatens decades of progress in civil rights. He urges Black voters to mobilize and take action, emphasizing the power they hold in protecting civil rights law and racial equality.If you're passionate about defending civil rights and ensuring equity for future generations, this interview is a must-watch. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to stay informed on the latest discussions about racial justice and political activism. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Facing Bias and Thriving in Leadership: A Conversation with Vicky Wright Hamilton

    In this inspiring episode of The Color Between The Lines, Esther Dillard speaks with leadership coach, author, and trailblazer Vicky Wright Hamilton. Vicky shares her personal journey of overcoming bias in the corporate world including being told she was only hired because of affirmative action and how she transformed painful experiences into a powerful mission to empower women of color in leadership.Drawing from her book Game Face: Corporate Success Strategies of a Trailblazing Black Woman, Vicky reveals leadership lessons and strategies to help others succeed without facing the same barriers. This conversation is a must-listen for anyone seeking resilience, leadership insights, and inspiration to keep moving forward despite obstacles. Subscribe to The Color Between The Lines wherever you get your podcasts to hear more powerful conversations with leaders, authors, and changemakers. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Turning Stigma into Strength: Janel Kitchen’s HIV Advocacy Journey

    In this moving episode of The Color Between the Lines, host Esther Dillard speaks with HIV/AIDS activist Janel Kitchen about her personal journey after being diagnosed in 2005. Janel shares how she faced stigmaeven from medical professionals who doubted her storyand how she transformed her pain into a mission to uplift others.As the founder of Positively U, Janel works tirelessly to provide medical care, food, clothing, and emotional support to individuals living with HIV/AIDS. Her powerful story is a reminder that no one should face illness alone or in shameand that community can heal what stigma tries to destroy.Listen in and be inspired by her courage, resilience, and dedication to changing lives. Dont miss future episodes that spotlight stories of resilience, advocacy, and empowerment. Subscribe to The Color Between the Lines wherever you get your podcasts. Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Farming Freedom: 'The Aunties' and Their Radical Act on Harriet Tubman’s Lands

    Join Esther Dillard on 'The Color Between The Lines' as we explore the powerful documentary, 'The Aunties.' This film celebrates the inspiring journey of Donna Dear and Paulette Greene, two pioneering Black elder women who farm Harriet Tubmans ancestral lands in Maryland as an act of liberation. Filmmakers Charlyn Griffith-Oro and Jeannine Kayembe-Oro share their insights into capturing the lives of these remarkable women. Premiering February 17 on Black Public Medias YouTube channel, this documentary is a tribute to Black history and environmental activism. Don't miss this profound story of love, legacy, and liberation.#TheAunties #BlackHistoryMonth #EnvironmentalActivism #BlackFarmers #AfroPoP #BlackPublicMedia #DocumentaryFilm #RadicalLiberation Subscribe to our channel for more compelling stories and insights into Black history and culture.4 Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    DBI’s Journey Honored! Esther Dillard Wins Big at the 2025 Gracie's Awards

    The Black Information Network's Esther Dillard won her second Gracies Award for an inspiring news feature spotlighting Daughters Beyond Incarceration (DBI) a powerful non-profit organization based in Louisiana. DBI works to reconnect girls with their incarcerated parents, offering emotional support and mentorship to children impacted by mass incarceration.This award-winning story captures the emotional journey of Dominique Johnson, the founder of DBI, and the life-changing impact the program has on children of incarcerated parents. Through weekend prison visits, educational workshops, and healing circles, DBI is helping young girls redefine their identity, rise above trauma, and thrive despite family incarceration.From prison visitation rooms to graduation milestones, this feature explores how DBI fosters resilience, hope, and leadership in girls affected by the criminal justice system. Esther Dillard's storytelling sheds light on systemic challenges and the importance of prison reform and youth mentorship.Dont miss this powerful story of healing, advocacy, and community transformation. Subscribe for more stories that matter. Learn more: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/gracie-awards-2025-winners-list-1236170166/#dbi #gracie #estherdillard #prisonreform #nonprofit #criminaljusticereform #thecolorbetweenthelines #estherdillard #parenting #awards #nonprofitstories #justiceforfamilies #familyseparation #hopeandhealing #supportingfamilies Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Kemba Smith Pradia's Journey: From Pardon to Advocacy | The Color Between The Lines

    Join Esther Dillard on 'The Color Between The Lines' as we explore the compelling story of Kemba Smith Pradia, recently pardoned by President Joe Biden. Kemba delves into her past experiences with the criminal justice system, her ongoing advocacy work, and her new film on BET+. She also shares invaluable advice for women facing similar struggles. Don't miss this inspiring episode that bridges personal triumphs with broader systemic challenges.Subscribe to our podcast and YouTube channel to stay updated on transformative stories and insights that inspire action and change. Tune in now to hear how Kemba is shaping the future of criminal justice reform and empowering women nationwide. #KembaSmithPradia #CriminalJusticeReform #TheColorBetweenTheLines #Advocacy #WomenEmpowerment #PardonStory #Subscribe Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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    Understanding Shingles: Cassandra's Personal Battle and Prevention Insights | The Color Between The Lines

    Tune into 'The Color Between The Lines' as host Esther Dillard brings us an enlightening episode with Cassandra, who courageously recounts her struggle with Shingles. This episode delves into the personal challenges and wider health implications of Shingles, an often-misunderstood medical condition.Joining the dialogue is Dr. Bayo Curry Winchell, a respected health expert, who offers valuable prevention tips and identifies key risk factors associated with Shingles. This conversation is crucial for anyone interested in enhancing their knowledge about health management, understanding patient experiences, and learning about effective preventive measures.Listen to this episode to discover more about Shingles from Cassandra's impactful narrative and Dr. Curry Winchell's expert insights. Make sure to follow 'The Color Between The Lines' on Buzzsprout for more episodes that combine compelling personal stories with professional health advice.Hashtags:#ShinglesAwareness #HealthEducation #PreventiveHealth #TheColorBetweenTheLines #PatientStories #MedicalExpertise #BuzzsproutHealth Subscribe to the podcast for more enlightening talks and join us in exploring how historical narratives shape our future. You can also watch it on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@thecolorbetweenthelines

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The Color Between the Lines with Esther Dillard is a storytelling podcast that explores the histories, voices, and truths that often go unheard—but deeply shape our world.*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" tabindex="-1" dir="auto" data-turn-id="4e29b2f2-7c46-4232-803b-4c51b0aa0f0d" data-testid="conversation-turn-6" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn="assistant">Hosted by award-winning journalist and educator Esther Dillard, the show features thoughtful conversations with authors, activists, cultural leaders, and change-makers who use story to inform, challenge, and connect. Each episode goes beyond headlines to uncover the deeper context behind culture, history, and current events—helping listeners understand not just what happened, but why it matters.Listeners come away with a clearer understanding of how storytelling influences public opinion, policy, education, and identity. The podcast also offers insight into how stories ca

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