The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators

This episode challenges us to reflect: What traits define us? Who are we outside of productivity? In this deeply affirming conversation, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Amanda Miller Littlejohnexecutive coach, journalist, and author of The Rest Revolutionto unpack burnout, identity, and the systems that pressure Black educators to overperform at the expense of their wellness. Together, they explore how the culture of overachievement, often masked as Black excellence, can be a trauma response, and why rest is personal and political.Amanda shares her story of hitting a wall during the pandemic, discovering that when her creativity disappeared, it was her bodys cry for help. With heartfelt wisdom, Amanda urges educators to reconnect with what brings them joy, pursue radical self-knowledge, and lean into community care as a form of wealth and resilience.Whether you're an educator on the brink or an ally seeking to support Black professionals, this episode is a powerful reminder: we dont have to earn our restwe were always worthy of it.

What happens when a Black educator survives a natural disaster, a political awakening, and a broken school systemall in the same year?In this deeply moving episode of The Exit Interview, Colorado State Representative Jennifer Bacon recounts how her early teaching career in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina became a catalyst for her journey into law, education reform, and public service. Reflecting on her experience as a young Black educator with Teach For America, she vividly recalls the chaos and trauma of evacuating during the storm, witnessing the devastation, and volunteering at a Red Cross shelterwhere she saw her students arrive with little more than plastic bags of belongings. Jennifer shares the inequities she witnessed in the aftermath, including the erasure of Black educators, the rise of charter schools, and the criminalization of Black youthall of which shaped her understanding of systemic racism in education. Her reflections unpack the historical and political roots of educational injustice, from the collapse of the Orleans Parish school system to the national charter school movement. She explains how these experiences fueled her decision to attend law school, organize against the school-to-prison pipeline, and eventually serve in elected office. Now a key voice in Colorado education policy, Bacon discusses current challenges like the states school funding crisis, the importance of mandating financial literacy courses, and the urgent need for Black teacher recruitment and retention. The episode ends with a raw and heartfelt meditation on rest, resilience, and the moral obligation to fight for systems that truly care for Black children and communities.

What happens when you're doing everythingleading a school, serving your community, answering the phones, teaching mathand still feel like you're drowning? In this Exit Interview live show, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Joy Delizo-Osborne, who shares the real reason she left her role as a founding principal: her doctor said quit, and her wife offered her a puppy if she finally did. This conversation is not a highlight reel. It's a deeply human exploration of what it costs to stay in systems that praise your sacrifice but ignore your spirit. Joy reflects on burnout, Black womens addiction to care, and how hard it is to believe the job isn't your identity. She also offers a glimpse into her nowas CEO of Student Achievement Partnerswhere shes rewriting the rules of leadership, bringing equity and literacy into the same sentence, and finally choosing joy (and dogs). If youve ever felt pulled between purpose and survival, this episode is your mirror and your permission slip.

What happens when an educator's deep love for liberation collides with the realities of traditional schooling? In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Jamilah Pittseducator, author, yoga teacher, and founder of She Imprintsto explore her journey through the education system and beyond. Jamilah shares how her childhood experiences with Black women teachers inspired her dream to teach, and how her international work, from Boston to the Dominican Republic to India, shaped her vision of education as a tool for healing and activism. She opens up about the emotional toll of navigating toxic school environments, the complexities of internalized racism among leadership, and the moment she chose her own wellness over a broken system. Throughout the conversation, Jamilah offers a deep call to center healing in our schools, reimagine leadership, and honor the full humanity of educators.

In this powerful episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Josephine Ampaw-Greene a licensed family therapist and former educatorto explore what it truly means to sustain wellness while navigating the demands of education and racial battle fatigue. Josephine shares her unique journey from paraeducator to residential school teacher to therapist and business owner. She opens up about the importance of pausing, setting boundaries, embracing joy, and why "being well means not pretending to be well." Together, they unpack how career identity intersects with self-worth, how to support educators experiencing racism-related stress, and what families can do to create restorative spaces for their loved ones working in schools. Key Topics Covered: How to decide how much of your identity belongs to your career Creating trauma-informed practices that center joy and authenticity The impact of racism-related stress on educators and their families The role of community and family in educator wellness Practical regulation tools for teachers, like the ice cube trick How Josephine builds a teaching practice that launches therapists of color Why leaving education isnt a failureits a transition toward wholeness

In this special episode recorded live at Quince Coffee House, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Jenna Greenwood to explore her inspiring journey of self-discovery, family legacy, and finding community beyond traditional educational spaces. Jenna shares stories about growing up influenced by her grandmother, Marie Greenwood, Denvers first Black tenured teacher, and navigating her own complex identity within predominantly white educational institutions. She also provides invaluable insights into understanding college affordability and scholarships, leveraging her expertise in financial aid to empower students and their families. Finally, Jenna discusses the critical importance of wellness, mindfulness, and creating affirming spaces like Quince Coffee House, a business she co-owns that serves as a vibrant community hub.

In this powerful episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, host Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Jason B. Alleneducator, activist, and policy advocateto discuss the systemic barriers Black students and educators face in traditional school systems. Jason shares his personal journey from school administrator to special education teacher, revealing how he fought against discriminatory practices that misplace Black students into special education programs without proper support. He details how systemic racism influences school discipline policies, the struggles of Black educators navigating certification roadblocks, and the larger implications of anti-Black policies in education. Jason also discusses his transition from the classroom to education policy work, emphasizing the need for community-driven solutions, Black educator retention, and the importance of dismantling the school-to-prison pipeline. This episode is a must-listen for anyone invested in educational equity, policy reform, and the fight to create spaces where Black educators and students can thrive.

In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with award-winning educator and advocate Keisha Rembert to discuss her journey in education, the challenges Black educators face, and the importance of racial literacy, affinity spaces, and wellness.Keisha reflects on her 17-year career as a middle school educator, emphasizing how she initially resisted entering the profession. Coming from a lineage of Black educators, she found herself drawn into teaching after a series of experiences, including substitute teaching, which led her to recognize her passion for learning and co-teaching with students. She shares how her students played an integral role in shaping the curriculum, a strategy that strengthened engagement and student agency.

In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Dr. Adrienne Davenport, a veteran educator, administrator, and author, to talk about career transitions, leadership, and the realities of being a Black educator.Dr. Davenport shares how she unexpectedly entered the field of education, her journey from teacher to administrator, and why she made the bold decision to leave her role as a principaleven before knowing what was next. She reflects on what schools need to do to attract, support, and retain Black educators, the importance of instructional leadership, and why stepping outside of your comfort zone is the key to growth.If youre an educator thinking about making a shift, an aspiring leader, or just someone who needs a reminder that faith, preparation, and trusting your instincts matter, this episode is for you.What Youll Hear in This Episode: [00:02:00] Dr. Davenports unexpected journey into education and how she pivoted from a legal career to teaching [00:05:00] Navigating family and community expectations when making a career switch [00:08:00] Teaching middle school: Why eighth graders were her favorite students [00:15:45] "If you want something, you have to go out and get it." The importance of career growth and leadership development [00:16:45] "When you get too comfortable, you dont grow." Why taking risks in your career is necessary [00:24:45] "I didnt know what was next, but this wasnt it." Walking away from a leadership role without a set plan [00:33:45] The role of Black educators as ambassadors for the profession [00:37:00] Barriers to entering education: cost, licensing exams, and lack of support [00:43:15] "You cannot be afraid of instruction." The key to effective school leadership [00:50:45] "None of us have arrived. Every morning we get another opportunity." Finding wellness, peace, and purpose in educationQuotes Worth Sharing: "We have to be good ambassadors of our profession." "Nothing ventured, nothing gained!" "You dont need all the answersyou just need to know when something isnt right." "Leaving my principal role wasnt leaving the missionit was expanding it."Connect with Dr. Adrienne Davenport: Website: drdconsulting.org Email: [email protected] LinkedIn: Dr. Adrienne Davenport Instagram: @DrDavenportEd Books:My Hope Is Built: Reflections of Faith, Grace, and Resilience from an Educational LeaderSTAND: Five Powerful Strategies for Overcoming Barriers to Becoming an Instructional LeaderResources & Mentions in This Episode: National Alliance of Black School Educators (NABSE) The Exit Interview Podcast WebsiteKeep the Conversation Going! What resonated with you most from this episode? Let us know in the comments or tag us on social media using #ExitInterviewPodcastYouTube: The Exit Interview Podcast for Black EducatorsWebsite: exitinterviewpodcast.com Subscribe & Leave a Review!If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us uplift and empower more Black educators! Dont forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode!

In this powerful and reflective episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons sits down with Najmah Ahmad to discuss her nearly 20-year journey through education, from working in nonprofits and higher education to leadership roles in school districts and national policy. Najmah candidly shares her experiences navigating systemic challenges, microaggressions, and the often overwhelming toll of racial battle fatigue.Listeners will hear how Najmahs desire to support people in moments of transition shaped her career and led her to create transformative programs for young people, such as leadership curriculums and paid internships. She also opens up about the pivotal moment when her physical health forced her to confront the toll her work was taking on her mind, body, and spirit, leading to her decision to leave traditional education spaces and build her own consulting business.This episode explores themes of wellness, self-liberation, and the importance of acknowledging the impact of systemic racism in professional spaces. Najmahs story is a testament to resilience, healing, and the power of creating your own path to freedom.

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview,' host Dr. Asia Lyons welcomes Dr. Damia Thomas, who brings over two decades of experience in urban education. They discuss retention challenges in education, emphasizing the importance of work environment, culture, and kindness over monetary incentives. Dr. Thomas shares her journey from starting as a teacher to becoming a school principal and author and founding her consultancy. She highlights her experiences in transforming school cultures, working in predominantly Black communities, and the critical role of leadership. Dr. Thomas provides actionable insights on establishing consistency, leveraging leadership teams, and creating values-based systems to promote teacher retention and well-being.00:00 Introduction to Retention Challenges00:43 Welcome to The Exit Interview Podcast01:37 Introducing Dr. Demia Thomas03:51 Dr. Thomas' Journey in Education04:59 Experiences in Urban Education12:09 Leadership and Principalship23:00 Founding an All-Girls School27:22 Closing Ceremony Reflections28:05 Challenges and Changes in Leadership30:59 Navigating Racial Dynamics34:00 Realizing the Need for Change37:29 Transition to Consulting45:01 Shoutouts and Current Work47:15 Supporting School Leaders52:30 Final Thoughts and Wellness

In this episode of The Exit Interview Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons and guest host Stacey Taylor Brandon welcome Dr. Shawn Ginwright, a thought leader in education and youth development. Dr. Ginwright discusses his revolutionary concept of healing-centered engagement and the importance of self-reflection for Black educators dealing with racial battle fatigue and systemic oppression. Emphasizing the need for self-care and community healing, he shares insights from his acclaimed book, 'The Four Pivots.' He highlights practical steps leaders can take to foster wellness in educational spaces. Dr. Ginwright also underscores the vital role of Black women in caregiving, the necessity of establishing sanctuary spaces, and the importance of giving from one's excess rather than essence. Throughout the episode, the conversation delves into personal narratives, systemic challenges, and actionable strategies for integrating wellness practices into everyday life and professional settings.P.S. The Exit Interview will record a live episode with Joy Delizo-Osborne at SXSW EDU 2025 on March 5th!  Hope to see you there!00:00 Introduction and Podcast Overview00:36 Meet the Guest Host: Stacey Taylor Brandon01:30 Introducing Dr. Sean Genwright01:43 Dr. Genwright's Work and Contributions03:23 Welcome Dr. Genwright to the Podcast04:39 The Importance of Self-Reflection05:22 Racial Battle Fatigue and Healing11:03 Balancing Care and Self-Wellness21:32 A New Perspective on Motherhood21:59 The Impact of Stress on Health23:22 Applying the Four Pivots in Education25:12 Personal Development for Leaders26:52 Building Supportive Systems31:48 Shoutouts and Acknowledgements34:45 The Importance of Self-Care40:16 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude

When the school nurse has to check your blood pressure three times, you know you're in trouble. In this episode of the 'Exit Interview' podcast, I archive the story of Dr. LaShaune Stitt. Dr. Stitt recounts her journey from childhood dreams of teaching to pioneering spaces for young men of Color, and the community-centered approaches that defined her work. Amidst these achievements, she opens up about the health crises and systemic challenges that led her to leave formal education. Our discussion touches on the critical support from women in her professional community, her experiences with racial battle fatigue, and the vital importance of therapy and self-care for Black educators. We delve into the significance of culturally responsive teaching environments and Dr. Stitt's current consulting work, emphasizing the broad, impactful ways educators can contribute to their communities beyond traditional classroom roles.00:00 Welcome and Milestones00:57 Introducing Dr. LaShaune Stitt02:25 Dr. Stitt's Journey into Education06:23 Founding an All-Male School08:46 Challenges and Leadership in Education18:24 Health and Well-being in Education26:56 The Struggles of Educators29:12 The Principal's Secret32:06 The Breaking Point36:04 A New Beginning39:12 Shoutouts and Gratitude41:44 Current Endeavors48:04 Defining Wellbeing52:07 Final Thoughts and Farewell

In this episode of The Exit Interview, host Dr. Asia Lyons engages in a deep conversation with Octavia Raheem about the transformative power of rest. Octavia Raheem, an accomplished author, rest restorative coach, and former public school teacher, shares her journey from traditional education to becoming a leader in wellness and restorative practices. The discussion explores the importance of rest for Black educators, the systemic challenges they face, and the necessity of self-care. Raheem passionately discusses the interplay between creativity, rest, and holistic well-being, offering practical steps for educators to integrate rest into their lives. Make sure to order her new book, Rest Is Sacred: Reclaiming Our Brilliance Through the Practice of Stillness.

In this episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, Dr. Asia Lyons interviews Kwame Sarfo-Mensah and discusses his transformative journey from aspiring professional athlete to dedicated educator. Kwame discusses his initial pivot to becoming a math teacher and the various challenges he faced in his early teaching years, including a lack of support and job security in Philadelphia charter schools. Moving to Boston, he navigated the complexities of unionized school districts, ultimately learning the importance of self-care to avoid burnout and racial battle fatigue. This episode highlights systemic issues in education, such as the exploitation of committed Black educators and the importance of acknowledging their experiences. Reflecting on his time in Philadelphia, Kwame emphasizes the need for better support systems and career pathways for Black educators. His journey extends internationally as he moves to Sierra Leone, initiating the 'Identity Talk for Educators Live' podcast and authoring 'Learn to Relearn.'

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview, a podcast for Black educators,' Dr. Asia Lyons hosts Shatiera Porte'e, a school counselor, author, coach and education consultant. Shatiera shares her experiences working tirelessly in education during the COVID pandemic, reflecting on the challenging conditions that led to burnout and her decision to leave traditional education spaces. The discussion highlights the systemic issues Black educators face, such as overwork and lack of compensation, and underscores the need for mental health support within the education system. Shatiera talks about her current role as the founder of 'School Counselors on Wheels,' where she mentors students and educators, emphasizing mental wellness in education. She also introduces her self-help book 'I Forgive Myself for Forgetting Myself,' which aims to promote self-care among service professionals. Throughout the episode, Shatiera pays tribute to influential Black educators who impacted her life, expressing gratitude and reflecting on her journey toward balancing personal wellness and professional aspirations.

In this deeply engaging episode, Dr. Asia Lyons and Sarah Graham discuss the highs and lows of teaching, the systemic issues within public and charter schools, and the importance of culturally responsive and liberatory education. Sarah shares her personal journey, insights into creating inclusive curriculum, and the urgent need for rest and self-care. This episode is a must-listen for educators and anyone interested in the fight for educational equity.

In this episode of The Exit Interview, hosted by Dr. Asia Lyons, Julia Berry shares her transformative journey from wanting to be a teacher, doctor, and dancer as a child to becoming an educator focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). Julia outlines her path from excelling in math and engineering, realizing her passion for teaching, to teaching youth in correctional and treatment facilities. She discusses the challenges she faced with leadership due to her bold approach to DEI work. Julia touches upon the impact of race and supremacy on educational settings and emphasizes the importance of leadership involvement in DEI efforts. After leaving several roles due to systemic resistance to change, she finally finds alignment with her values at a community-based organization rooted in ancient African philosophy. The conversation delves into the personal and professional grief Julia encountered, her methods of self-care, and the joy she finds in her children, gardening, and yoga practice.

In this episode of The Exit Interview, Dr. Asia hosts Langston Jacobs, a Black male educator who shares his journey and the challenges he faced as a dean of culture in a charter school. Langston discusses his strategies for creating a supportive school environment, the impact of his role on his own mental and physical health, and the significant effects on his family. He reveals how he redefined his approach to leadership and discipline, emphasizing the importance of empathy and community. Langston also highlights the broader systemic issues in education, including the need for mentorship and culturally relevant teaching. Now co-founder and director of men and youth programs at Adams Purpose, Langston continues to support and heal communities through various therapeutic services. Sign-up for the Black Educators, Be Well Newsletter for updates on our podcast, tips to support wellness as a Black educator and much more!

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview,' host Dr. Asia Lyons talks with therapist and researcher Jason Shankle about the importance of creating sacred spaces and emotional boundaries, particularly for Black educators facing racial battle fatigue. Jason shares his journey in education and psychology, and offers practical strategies for coping with racial battle fatigue. The conversation delves into the significance of rituals, the value of Black therapists, and the need for intentional self-care practices. Jason underscores the importance of not trying to change toxic work environments but rather focusing on personal healing and maintaining emotional equity.

In this episode, Dr. Asia Lyons hosts Asha von Liebtug, an inspiring educator from New Jersey, who shares her journey from student to teacher and beyond. Asha delves into the impact of her grandmother's influence, her teaching experiences in various educational settings, and her passion for curriculum development. She emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and holistic education, while also addressing the systemic challenges faced by Black educators. Tune in to gain insights on educational equity, teacher retention, and personal growth.

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview' podcast, hosted by Dr. Asia Lyons, Dr. Adrienne Smith shares her compelling journey as a Black educator. From humble beginnings working in fast food to overcoming hurdles in her pursuit of higher education, Dr. Smith details her experiences teaching in diverse environments, including Alaska. She highlights the importance of cultural competency, listening to Black and brown voices, and her transition to founding Adrienne's Educational Consulting Firm. The episode also delves into navigating toxic work cultures, the impact of COVID-19 on mental health, and the significance of family and community support.

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview,' hosts Dr. Asia Lyons delves into the often-overlooked aspects of early childhood education with guest Brittney Carey. We discuss the crucial role of early education, the challenges Black educators face in ECE, and the systemic issues that affect the retention of dedicated teachers in this field. Brittney shares her journey into education, insightful experiences in the classroom, and the harsh realities that led her to transition out of a traditional teaching environment. The conversation covers advocacy for early childhood education, systemic barriers, and the importance of creating inclusive educational spaces. Join us for an insightful discussion on the importance of early childhood education as a respected profession and the need for systemic change.

In this episode of 'The Exit Interview,' I sit down with Vanity Jenkins, a dedicated educator and advocate for culturally relevant pedagogy. We dive into Vanity's journey from sports management to education, her experiences teaching in the Mississippi Delta, the challenges Black educators face, and the importance of historical context and systemic changes in education. Vanity shares invaluable insights into improving teacher retention, the impact of integration policies, and the critical role of parent and student voices in schools.

In this episode, of the Exit Interview, host Dr. Asia Lyons speaks with Sherinda Bryant, a former educator, about her journey and experiences in the field and love for Afrofuturism. They delve into the challenges faced by Black educators, the need for supporting Black students, and the creation of Bryant's Afrofuturism Discovery Academy. The conversation highlights the emotional and systemic hurdles in education, as well as innovative approaches to culturally responsive teaching and identity development.

This episode of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators takes a deep dive into the rarely discussed aspect of educator retention, specifically focusing on the Black educators who leave traditional education spaces. Featuring Jalisa Evans, a former teacher turned advocate, this powerful discussion uncovers the challenges, systemic issues, and personal stories behind Black educators' decisions to leave. Through Jalisa's journey from a teacher to a founder of the Black Educator Advocates Network, listeners are presented with both sobering realities and inspiring actions for change. The conversation pivots around anti-blackness in education, the significance of community, and the crucial role of Black educators in students' lives.

In celebration of Mental Health Month, Stacey Taylor-Brandon is back on The Exit Interview to talk about how her work supporting mature Black women was birthed out of her own desire to heal from the racism-related stress and racial battle fatigue she experienced as administrator and social worker in a Denver Area School District. Listen as she discusses ways that you can work toward your own healing and move forward to new spaces in your life without the guilt Black women are often burdened with.

Join us in this insightful episode of 'The Exit Interview' as we welcome Benita Gordon, a passionate educational advocate. In a candid discussion with Dr. Asia, Benita shares her journey from considering a career outside of education to embracing her calling as a teacher influenced by her family's legacy in teaching and the transformational impact of Black educators. Explored through her experiences and initiatives, this episode delves into the challenges and triumphs of Black educators, the importance of mentorship, and the creation of supportive and inclusive educational environments. Benita also discusses her involvement in innovative educational projects and the power of community support in shaping the future of education. Tune in to be inspired by Benita's dedication to making a difference in the lives of students and educators alike.

In this episode, Dr. Asia Lyons interviews Brittany Dawson, discussing the pivotal moments that led Brittany from the classroom to becoming a leadership coach. They explore the challenges faced by Black educators, the emotional and financial hurdles in the teaching profession, and the transformative decision to leave traditional teaching roles. Brittany shares her personal journey, offering insights into her initial attraction to education, the realities of working within public and charter school systems, and finally transitioning to a coaching role that aligns with her passion for making an impact beyond the classroom walls.

In this inspiring episode of The Exit Interview, we have the privilege of hearing from Elia Martin, a former educator and social worker turned grant manager, who shares her transformative journey through education, social work, and beyond. Elia's story takes us from her initial dreams of becoming a dentist to finding her true calling in supporting youth and families, mostly in Black communities. She discusses the challenges and motivations behind her career shifts, emphasizing the importance of mentorship, the impact of leadership changes, and the quest for better opportunities. Elia also delves into her current pursuits, including her work in grant management and her passion project, the Mommyana podcast, dedicated to the experiences of Black motherhood. Join us as we explore Elia's journey, her insights on Black educator retention, and her valuable advice for those contemplating a career transition.

This episode of The Exit Interview features a deep dive into the experiences and insights of Jailyn Jenkins, a former STEM educator who transitioned into a role supporting Black educators after facing burnout. Jailyn shares her personal journey, highlighting the significance of mental health, the critical need for authentic recruitment and retention strategies for educators of color, and the transformative power of rest and healing. The discussion also covers the establishment of BEST (BIPOC Educational STEM Thinkers), a community initiative aimed at fostering joy, belonging, and advocacy amongst educators of color. The episode is an inspiring call to action for supporting Black educators, enriching educational environments, and prioritizing well-being in the educational field.

In this episode of The Exit Interview, Dr. Asia Lyons and special guest Dr. Cletis Allen delve into the educational journey of black educators. Dr. Allen, an advocate for culturally responsive literacy instruction and a curriculum development specialist, shares her transition from a classroom teacher to a consultant. Discussing the importance of teacher participation in curriculum decisions, shared experiences of navigating through educational careers, and the significance of seeking joy and satisfaction in personal and professional life. This episode sheds light on challenges faced by black educators and explores the transformative power of education.

In this episode, of the Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators Yasha Chapman, an accomplished Black educator and CEO of Elementary Education Evolved, shares her experiences and insights about the challenges faced by Black educators and the importance of retaining them in the field of teaching. Yasha discusses her journey in education, from initially wanting to be a pharmacist to becoming a classroom teacher and eventually an instructional coach. She emphasizes the need to amplify the voices of Black educators, involve them in decision-making processes, and compensate them for their expertise. Yasha's consultancy, Elementary Education Evolved, focuses on providing professional development and coaching for new teachers and aims to close the academic achievement gap for Black and Brown students in the K-5 setting. This episode offers valuable insights and strategies for school districts, human resources departments, and school unions to better retain Black educators and create a more inclusive and supportive educational environment.

In this weeks compelling episode, we speak with Dr. Asia Lyons, CEO of Lyons Educational Consulting, co-facilitator of the Black Educator Wellness Cohort, and co-host of The Exit Interview Podcast. With experiences spanning Detroit to Denver, Dr. Lyons shares her journey, from attending a gifted high school and navigating failure in college, to shedding light on the critical role of community colleges and nontraditional pathways into education (#shoutout to those bus routes!).

After teaching in Atlanta's public schools Brittni had to make a choice, quit teaching or try her hand at teaching in the Middle East. Take a listen as she shares her experience as an educator both here and abroad, what she feels would improve schools in the United States and what she is up to now that she is back state side.

In this episode of The Exit Interview, Kev and Dr. Asia sit down with Deidra Fogarty founder of Black Girls Teach an organization that offers Black women educators a supportive environment to openly grow, collaborate, and unite as they demand change in education. Take a listen as she talks about her transition out of education, strategies she feels could turn the tied of Black women leaving education and how Black Girls Teach is changing the game for education across the U.S.

Michelle Emmanuelle is a former private school educator turned wellness educator, consultant, and professional speaker. In her episode, she discusses the ways she navigated pressures from administrators and students. Michelle also provides our audience with healing practices that they can begin anywhere and in any situation.

In this episode, we are joined by Lacey Robinson, the president and CEO of UnboundEd and the chair of the Board of CORE Learning. As CEO, Robinson sets the organizations vision for transforming instruction for students at the margins. She is a former teacher, principal, and professional development specialist who has focused on literacy, equity, and school leadership for more than 25 years. Her lifes work aims to enable educators to disrupt systemic inequities in their school districts and classrooms.She shares her journey from a pre-service educator at Marva Collins Prep to her current position in UnboundEd.

We're back for another episode! In this edition, we have a conversation with Ronda Haynes-Belen, a former family liaison who played a vital role in connecting families with essential resources within a school district in the Denver area. Tune in as she opens up about her encounters with instances of anti-Black sentiment within her department, her choice to step away from that environment, and the self-care and healing she now prioritizes.

In this episode, Mia Street shares her story of working hard to protect Black children while creating her own peace within her community. Listen as Mia explores anti-blackness in the schools she supported as well as ways that she advocated for herself and the children in her care.

In this episode of the Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators, we continue discussing what it means to heal from racial battle fatigue in the workplace. Listen as Dr. Flowers shares her classroom experiences and how she supports the healing of Black educators.

In our first live tapping, Kevin and Dr. Asia sit down with Dr. Dedrick Sims of the Sims-Fayola Foundation to talk about the importance of retention and recruitment of Black and Brown male educators, his own education story, and what it means to heal while doing the work of educating our youth.

This will be Kevin's first year as an assistant principal in the Denver area! In this episode, he briefly talks about his ideas on how school districts can retain Black educators based on his experiences in the classroom.

Dr. Asia Lyons is a guest on The Thoughtful Counselor Podcast!"In this episode, Dr. Asia Lyons meets with Dr. Dsa Karye Daniel to discuss the tenants of Racial Battle Fatigue and racism-related stress. Throughout their conversation, they reflect on the experiences of Black Teachers and how sharing these experiences can change the narrative for future Black educators. Dr. Lyons gives examples of how mental health practitioners can support Black educators through culturally responsive practices." -From, The Thoughtful Counselor Podcast

In this episode, Janet Stickmon returns to the podcast to talk to our audience about what healing from racial battle fatigue could look like.

This brief episode highlights the crucial importance for school districts to acknowledge and address the influence of family support on the departure of Black educators from the education field. The departure is being triggered by various factors, such as policies, colleagues, administrators, and others who are contributing to pushing Black educators out. Simultaneously, family members of Black educators are also playing a significant role in pulling them out of the classroom, driven by their weariness of witnessing vicarious racial battle fatigue.As conversations arise about retention and recruitment during summer professional development sessions within the education sector, it is imperative to include the impact of family support in these discussions. Recognizing and understanding the role of family dynamics in the decisions of Black educators to remain or leave the profession can lead to more effective strategies for addressing the issue and fostering a supportive and inclusive environment for educators of all backgrounds.

Janet Stickmon was named 2023's Distinguished Professor by her university. She takes great pride in working with her students. She has created CenterJoyPWR: Strategies for Healing Racial Battle Fatiguean online experience for professionals of color who want to center joy in their lives. But before this Janet was a Catholic school educator with a strong desire to teach ethnic studies in a space with no interest in seeing their students understand the humanity of themselves and others. Listen as Janet shares her story along with fantastic strategies that school districts and universities should implement to retain Black educators.

Enola Garland found her way into the classroom as an early childhood educator. She quickly realized that working with three and four-year-olds was what she was meant for. After years in the ECE space and with COVID-19's impact on her students, colleagues, and herself along with racism-related stress in the workspace after the murder of George Floyd she knew she had to leave. Listen as Enola shares her story and what she is doing now that continues to support early child hood educators across Colorado.

Well, its time for me to tell my Exit Interview story. On the last day of school in 2018, I threw my work i.d. in the garbage can in front of the middle school where I had taught for six years. I didnt know what was next, but I knew I had to get the hell out of there! Listen as Kev, our producer Gerardo, and I talk about my journey from the D (Detroit, that is), my own experience with racism-related stress and racial battle fatigue to being the co-host of The Exit Interview: A Podcast for Black Educators.

Nedra Rudolph is one of thousands of educational professionals that many of us see but never truly SEE. Having worked in Title 1 schools, as a Dean of Students, a paraprofessional, and a family liason. These professionals are categorically invaluable, and grossly undercompensated.She had a great situation, but like in so many situations, when leadership changes, so does culture. Never was the old saying "sometimes it's your own people" more true than in this situation, when White supremacy was perpetrated by a fellow person of color.After a painful journey, Nedra was able to leave her position with her head held high. She still gets to work with children daily, and has found new joy in her work.