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The Policy Layer
by Owl Explains
The Policy Layer is a proud project of the Ava Labs Legal team that is committed to helping policymakers break through hype and navigate the blockchain world. We host podcasts with industry leaders seeking to build a better Internet. Check out our X profile @AvalanchePolicy, and visit our website owlexplains.com [https://owlexplains.com/], where you will find practical explainers, quizzes, and more fun resources on all things Web3.To stay in the know, subscribe to News from the Nest [https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/news-from-the-nest-7125501596116885504/]
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Ask the Owl Ep 1: What is Blockchain for?
This episode starts at the core. Why should people care about blockchain? Is everything permissionless? From concert tickets to land records, the conversation shows why blockchain matters once you stop reducing it to Bitcoin or price charts.
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Ep 66: Data Ownership, Privacy, and Hiring: MyStandard
Adam Zec, CEO of MyStandard, joins us to talk about fixing one of the most broken parts of the digital economy: data ownership. MyStandard is building infrastructure that lets individuals control and monetize their workforce data instead of handing it over to platforms by default. The conversation covers hiring, privacy, bias, and why useful blockchain products should lead with what they solve. Discover more in MyStandard.io
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Ep 65: Stablecoins, Trust, and Singapore's Regulatory Playbook
Adrian Ang (Partner at Allen & Gledhill) at brings a clear view of how Singapore approaches stablecoins, blockchain regulation, and the risks that come with digital money. He lays out the logic behind MAS’s framework, from technology-neutral regulation to the higher standards expected of serious market participants. Adrian also explains why regulatory clarity has become one of Singapore’s biggest strengths as a financial hub.
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Ep 64: When Tokens Don't Fit the Rules: LSTs & MiCA
Liquid staking tokens may sound like a niche corner of crypto, but they raise a much bigger question: can regulation actually keep up with decentralized systems? Juan Ignacio Ibañez of the MiCA Crypto Alliance dicusses why LSTs are so hard to classify under MiCA, and why that ambiguity creates real compliance risk for platforms and service providers. The conversation moves beyond labels to a deeper issue: what happens when existing rules are built for assets with issuers, managers, and clearer boundaries than Web3 often provides.Crypto-asset Taxonomy for Investors and Regulators
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Ep 63: Productivity Enables Security: The Economics of Blockchain Settlement
Ep 63: Productivity Enables Security: The Economics of Blockchain Settlement
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Ep 62: Crypto Crime, Sanctions & Signals: Evidence in the Blockchain
Yes, illicit finance in crypto exists, but it's not the whole story. Ari Redbord (TRM Labs) walks us through the real numbers, how blockchain data is used as evidence, and what better enforcement could look like. From sanctions to smart compliance tools, we get into what’s working and what still needs to improve.Discover more in TRM's 2026 Crypto Crime Report
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Ep 61: US Congressman Troy Downing
Congressman Troy Downing joins us to discuss what it really takes to give digital assets and AI clear rules in the United States. From the Genius Act on stablecoins and the Clarity Act on SEC vs CFTC roles, to his AI Wise Act on education for small businesses, he explains why the US cannot afford to fall behind while still protecting consumers. He also shares how financial literacy, tribal outreach, and real world use cases like title insurance and crop insurance on blockchain fit into a future where traditional banking and new rails grow side by side.
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Ep 60: Wealth as a Feminist Act: Digital Assets, Community, and Financial Education
Women are stepping into new forms of financial power, and digital assets are opening the door. The founders of Eve Wealth, Sadie Raney and Elaine Asher discuss the misconceptions that keep women out of this space and the education and community that bring them in. They explain how long-term digital-asset investing sits at the intersection of wealth-building and agency, and why it may be one of the most overlooked tools for closing power gaps.
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Ep 59: Stablecoins Across Borders
Stablecoins were the main character in policy circles this year, and for good reason. Urszula McCormack, Andrew Whitworth, and Laura Navaratnam walk us through how 2025 played out across Hong Kong, the EU, UK, and Australia. From what got finalized, what’s still fuzzy, and what signals to watch in early 2026... it's the year-end reality check for anyone dealing with digital money, law, and regulation.
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 15: Contagion in Decentralized Lending Protocols
This episode examines Decentralized Lending Protocols (DLPs) and the contagion that can arise due to assets lent to one pool serving as collateral in a different pool. We discuss efficient design of DLPs and mitigations for managing risk.Guest: Julien Prat (CNRS Researcher CREST, Ecole Polytechnique, IP Paris)Paper: Shock Propagation in Decentralized Lending Networks: Evidence from the Compound Protocol
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 14: Price Discovery at Decentralized Exchanges
Contrary to popular belief, price discovery can occur at decentralized exchanges instead of at centralized exchanges. We discuss the underlying economics and how this affects bidding for block space. We also discuss how private memory pools affect bidding behavior and the price discovery process.Guests: Agostino Capponi (Columbia University), Ruizhe Jia (Stanford University), Shihao Yu (Singapore Management University)Paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4236993
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 13: Stablecoins and Digital Payments
This episode covers the digitization of payments and the rise of stablecoins. We discuss China’s CBDC project, the success of USD stablecoins, and the barriers to broader stablecoin adoption. We also examine how stablecoins could reshape the modern payment infrastructure.Guests: Lin William Cong (Cornell University), Simon Mayer (Carnegie Mellon University)Paper: Strategic Digitization in Currency and Payment Competition
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 12: Beyond the Foundation Model: DUNAs and BORGs
This episode examines the central role nonprofit foundations have played in supporting blockchain networks. We trace their original purpose, how these entities have become a point of friction for many projects, and how regulatory and policy shifts have opened the door to alternatives. We reference two emerging models: the Decentralized Unincorporated Nonprofit Association (DUNA) and the Cybernetic Organization (BORG).Guest: Miles Jennings (Head of Policy & General Counsel at a16z crypto)Paper: The end of the foundation era in crypto - a16z crypto
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 11: Decentralized Autonomous Organizations
This episode explores the governance of Decentralized Autonomous Organizations (DAOs). We discuss how ownership concentration and whale voting can distort incentives and hinder platform growth. The conversation examines mechanisms to embed long-term incentives directly into DAO economic design.Guests: Jungsuk Han (Seoul National University), Jongsub Lee (Seoul National University; University of Florida), Tao Li (University of Florida)Paper: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4346581
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Ep 58: Inclusion Is Infrastructure: Diversity and Design in Web3
Crypto says it’s for everyone, but who’s actually building the future? Michelle O’Connor, founder of The Digital Future, joins us to talk about inclusion, innovation, and why the next wave of Web3 depends on who’s in the room. From breaking down crypto’s insider language to creating real access for builders across different backgrounds and regions, Michelle shares how diverse voices are shaping the next era of Web3. Together, we explore what happens when the people designing the technology finally reflect the world it’s meant to serve.
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Ep 57: Fine Wine Meets Web3: Provenance, Liquidity, and Trust
What happens when Bordeaux meets blockchain? Connor Daly, CTO of CrewTrade, explains how tokenizing wine on the blockchain is transforming a $25B industry with transparency, traceability, and a whole new kind of cellar. By unlocking instant liquidity and aligning incentives, the model empowers producers with fairer economics and gives collectors and consumers trusted access to the world’s finest bottles. Discover more at crutrade.io
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Ep 56: Tokenized Economies and the Architecture of Digital Money
Keith Bear, Fellow at Cambridge Judge Business School, joins us to break down what digital money really looks like in a tokenized economy. From stablecoins to CBDCs, we explore what’s working, what’s missing, and what still needs to be reimagined.
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Ep 55: Applying GDPR to the Blockchain ft. Clifford Chance
Can blockchains ever truly be privacy-compliant? Clifford Chance lawyers walk through the gray areas, from wallet addresses to pseudonymous data, and explain what regulators are starting to expect.
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Ep 54: What Are Digital Assets, Really? ft. Lord Chris Holmes
Lord Holmes explains how tokenization could reshape identity, finance, and trust across the UK and beyond. He breaks down what digital assets really are and why they matter for everyone, not just technologists. From refugee ID to football cards, this episode connects the dots between everyday life and emerging tech.
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Ep 53: TLDR Global Crypto Policy in 2025 (from MiCA to Abu Dhabi and beyond).
Global crypto rules are changing fast, and 2025 is a turning point. We are joined by Elise Soucie Watts (Executive Director at Global Digital Finance), who discusses the big moves: MiCA in Europe, U.S. legislation, Asia’s innovation wave, and so much more.Check out the GDF’s report here:https://www.gdf.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/23.7.25_GDFDACxTokenizationReport_FINAL.pdf
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Ep 52: Rethinking Cities with Blockchain with Former Lord Mayor of London Michael Mainelli
Michael Mainelli, former Lord Mayor of London, joins Owl Explains to unpack how blockchain can help cities govern smarter: from planning records to transit data. From congestion charges to building permits, Mainelli explains why cities need better memory systems and not just better apps. It’s local meets ledger, and a reminder that blockchain’s real power might lie in fixing what cities forget to track.
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Ep 51: Justice in the Age of Blockchain and AI—The Case for Tech Courts
Professor Michele Neitz (University of San Francisco) makes the case for tech courts, a bold idea that could help us rethink how justice works in a digital-first world. As AI and blockchain reshape everything from contracts to crime, our legal system needs to evolve. Tech-savvy justice isn’t a luxury anymore but a necessity for protecting rights and resolving disputes in the age of code.
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Ep 50: How Blockchain Is Expanding Access to Healthcare - the Case of Letsbuyhealthcare
Discover Letsbuyhealthcare — a platform using Avalanche blockchain to let people prepay for private healthcare with tokenized credits in Ireland. Its founder, Dave Allen, breaks down how it works, why it matters, and what blockchain still needs to continue scaling.
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Ep 49: Democracy, Dollars & DeFi, A Digital Shift
What happens when trust collapses faster than institutions can rebuild it? Amanda Wick, founder of the Association for Women in Crypto and author of The Catalysts, joins Owl Explains to unpack the forces fueling a new world financial order—from DeFi to geopolitics.A single podcast episode can’t fit everything, so check out her book for more: The Catalysts by Amanda Wick | Pre-Order Now
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Ep 48: How AI is Changing the Game for Legal & Compliance in Web3
What if your AI assistant could explain complex crypto laws in plain English—and connect you with an actual expert if things got tricky? That’s the idea behind Crystal, built by lawyer and founder Joni Pirovich. We talk about the chaos of compliance, the myth of AI replacing lawyers, and why this tool could change the game.Discover more: https://www.cryptococounsel.com
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Ep 47: US Rep. William Timmons (R-SC)
With stablecoin and market structure bills moving fast, and NFTs waiting in the wings, Rep. William Timmons explains how 2025 could finally bring clarity, credibility, and competitiveness to digital assets. From reshoring innovation to rethinking how government spends money, he walks us through the big vision—and the even bigger questions—behind America’s crypto comeback.
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Ep 46: Chairman Glenn Thompson
US House Agriculture Chairman GT Thompson breaks down what blockchain has to do with wheat futures, GPS networks, and bipartisan cooperation. He shares how Congress is handling blockchain’s regulatory gray zones through committee cooperation and public input. It’s a grounded discussion of what’s being built, what’s still unclear, and why it matters.👓 Read "A Blueprint for Digital Assets in America" co-written by Representatives French Hill and Glenn Thompson.
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Ep 45: DeFi's Big Questions Answered
Is DeFi truly decentralized? Is it more than just finance? Join Yvette Valdez (Latham & Watkins), Diana Barrero Zalles (GBBC), Joe Cutler (Perkins Coie), and Lee Schneider (Ava Labs) as they discuss DeFi’s opportunities, risks, and more.
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Ep 45: The CFTC's Balancing Act of Web3 Innovation & Regulation
CFTC Commissioner Summer Mersinger and Sidley Austin’s Kate Lashley discuss the evolving landscape of digital assets regulation in the US. Discover how the CFTC aims to bring crypto onshore through balanced, innovation-friendly policies.
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Global Series Ep 2: VIETNAMESE - Blockchain Innovation & Policy in Vietnam
[in Vietnamese] Ms. Nguyen Thi Ngoc Dung (Vietnam’s National Innovation Center) discusses how to foster Web3 growth, support businesses, and leverage blockchain for banking, logistics, and smart cities in Vietnam. English transcript available in owlexplains.com
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Ep 43: Are Stablecoins the Future of Money?
Join renowned author David Birch in this express podcast, as he unpacks the rise of stablecoins, their transformative impact on global finance, and what they mean for the future of money. From geopolitics to financial inclusion, Birch offers sharp insights into how stablecoins are shaping the digital currency landscape and how they're more than "just digital dollars."
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 10: Deep-dive on the Avalanche Blockchain
Stephen Buttolph (Chief Protocol Architect at Ava Labs) discusses how Avalanche's blockchain can be used for tokenization of real-world assets. The podcast also explains the Avalanche consensus protocol and how this protocol is an important differentiator between Avalanche and other blockchains.Learn more: https://www.avax.network/
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 9: Mitigation Methods for MEV and LVR
Professor Ciamac Moallemi (Columbia University) dissects Maximal Extractable Value (MEV), Loss-Versus-Rebalancing (LVR) and associated mitigation methods. To provide more background, MEV is the economic value that can be extracted from blockchain users through arbitrage activity. Of particular note, arbitrageurs can extract value from liquidity providers at Decentralized Exchanges (DEXs) where these losses are known as Loss-Versus-Rebalancing (LVR). After explaining both MEV and LVR, this podcast focuses on mitigation methods including expedited block times and auction mechanisms intended to extract MEV.Paper: Automated Market Making and Arbitrage Profits in the Presence of Fees
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 8: Decentralized Exchange (DEX) Aggregators and Solvers
Mallesh Pai (Rice University) covers DEX Aggregators and Solvers. In more detail, DEXs are not isolated entities. Rather, a variety of "intents markets" have arisen (e.g., Uniswap X, CoW Swap) where users can express "intents" to trade and then these markets execute the intents by relying on DEX liquidity and also potentially other sources of liquidity (e.g., fillers). Intents markets are generally classified as aggregators or solvers, and this podcast explains the space of intent markets, clarifying the distinction between aggregators and solvers. The podcast particularly focuses on economic implications of intents markets. An important point is that assertions that these markets are likely to entail favorable outcomes for traders are not necessarily correct due to the underlying economic structure.Paper: An Analysis of Intent-Based Markets
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 7: Blockchain Privacy and Regulatory Compliance
Professor Fabian Schär (University of Basel) discusses the ability for blockchain users to attain privacy in their transactions while also remaining compliant with regulations. Of note, prominent blockchains do not provide anonymity as commonly believed; rather, forensic methods can be used to reveal the transaction behavior of users. Mixers (e.g., Tornado Cash) combat forensic methods and offer further privacy. Nonetheless, mixers have come under regulatory pressure because they can be used for illegal activities such as money laundering. This podcast explains why blockchain identities are not anonymous and the details surrounding mixers. The podcast then explains a method whereby a user employing a mixer could prove that they have not participated in money laundering, potentially achieving both privacy and regulatory compliance. Regulatory implications are discussed.Paper: Blockchain Privacy and Regulatory Compliance
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Ava Labs x CBER Ep 6: Regulation of Decentralized Exchanges
Professor Campbell Harvey (Duke University) and Professor Joel Hasbrouck (NYU Stern) explain the novel risks for traders who trade at Decentralized Exchanges (DEXs) and why standard regulatory approaches are not well-suited for addressing those risks. The podcast then discusses the feasible paths for regulation weighing the relative advantages and disadvantages. An important point is that regulators are not necessarily properly aware of the challenges of regulation in the blockchain context and, as a consequence, some regulatory actions being taken might be counter-productive.Paper: The Evolution of Decentralized Exchange: Risks, Benefits, and Oversight
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Ep 42: US Rep Warren Davidson
Congressman Warren Davidson (R-OH-08) shares insights on token classification, self-custody, and bipartisan blockchain policy. Tune in for a candid conversation about crypto innovation and legislative reform in the United States.
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Niche Legal Issues You Should Care About I Avalanche Summit LATAM
Geek out on distinct legal issues with tax, anti-money laundering (AML) and litigation panel experts to review and explore key concepts affecting blockchain and crypto businesses. Take a deep dive on the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) tax framework, the Financial Action Task Force's (FATF) latest for Virtual Asset Service Providers (VASPs), asset management and funds, and explore global trends in civil litigation and bankruptcy.
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Navigating Crypto Laws in Argentina: What You Need to Know I Avalanche Summit LATAM
Without a comprehensive legal framework in the region, the complexities of Argentina's crypto regulations are nuanced. Get briefed on the current policies shaping the industry, understand implications for the crypto sector in Latin America, and discover how legal frameworks are influencing the future of fintech and crypto in the region.
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Policy9000: Navigating Global Regulatory Shifts I Avalanche Summit LATAM
Demystify the complexity of global regulation with regional legal and policy experts from the US, EU and APAC as they review recent progress, upcoming implementations, and existing challenges adding to the Web3 riddle. Take a look at Markets in Crypto-Assets (MiCA) and other European regulations coming into full effect in 2025 and beyond, and learn more about the state of play in the US from the perspective of Congress and key regulators, and hear about major issues across key Asia jurisdictions. As the world adapts to a tokenized future, Policy9000 defines a path forward for navigating a global regulatory shift.Lilya Tessler (Sidley), Urszula McCormack (KWM), Marina Markezic (European Crypto Initiative), Caroline Malcolm (Ruby), Lee Schneider (Ava Labs)
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Ep 41: Disclosure Guidelines for Tokens
Legal experts Lilya Tessler (Sidley Austin) and Chris Brummer (Blueprint) pull back the curtain on new token disclosure guidelines that could transform crypto markets. This episode gets real about what transparency actually means for blockchain's next chapter—without the jargon.Check out two versions of the proposed guidelines here:May 3rd: https://www.sidley.com/en/-/media/uploads/mn23267-fintech-and-blockchain-symposium--token-standardized-disclosures-document_fnl.pdf?la=enOctober 21st: https://global-dca.org/proposed-u-s-disclosure-guidelines/
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Ep 40: US Congress Dusty Johnson (R-SD)
Rep. Dusty Johnson sits down with us to discuss why FIT21 isn’t just another bill, but a potential game-changer for digital asset regulation. From tackling SEC overreach to exploring blockchain’s use in preventing FEMA fraud, Johnson shares an unfiltered perspective on what's really at stake in the world of crypto and U.S. policy.
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Ep 39: Tokenizing Securities for Decentralized Finance Applications
Professor Andreas Park from the University of Toronto discusses how blockchain can transform the trading and management of securities. In this episode, he shares his research on overcoming the complex challenges of integrating stocks, dividends, and voting rights into decentralized systems, offering insights into the future of finance.Learn more in his paper: https://edas.info/showPaper.php?m=1571031828
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Ep 38: Learning from DeFi. Would Automated Market Makers Improve Equity Trading?
Andreas Park (University of Toronto) and Katya Malinova (McMaster University) discuss their research on how automated market makers (AMMs) from DeFi could revolutionize equity trading. We explore the potential savings, challenges, and future of finance in a digital age.Check out their paper below:Learning from DeFi: Would Automated Market Makers Improve Equity Trading?
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Ep 37: Revolutionizing Women's Non-Reproductive Health with Web3 (Asterisk)
Join Veronica Kirin, founder of Asterisk Women’s Health, as she discusses her groundbreaking approach to women’s non-reproductive health using blockchain and DAO models. Discover how technology can empower women and transform the healthcare landscape.Learn more about Asterisk's mission: https://asteriskdao.xyz
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EP 36: US Congress Yadira Caraveo
Congresswoman Yadira Caraveo shares insights on navigating the complex world of digital asset regulation and bipartisan collaboration. She highlights the conversation highlights the FIT21 bill, Colorado’s leadership in tech, and the need for financial inclusion in modern legislation.
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Ep 35: Rep. Shri Thanedar
Congressman Shri Thanadar (D-MI-13) discusses his early adoption of cryptocurrency and emphasizes the transformative potential of blockchain technology. He highlights the importance of financial inclusion, arguing that digital assets can democratize access to financial services.
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Ep 34: Stablecoin Runs and the Centralization of Arbitrage
Yiming Ma from Columbia Business School and Anthony Zhang from UChicago explore the intricacies of stablecoins and their impact on financial stability. Learn about the critical role of arbitrage in maintaining price stability and the potential risks associated with these digital assets. Check out their paper here.
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Ep 33: Intersection of AI, IP and Web3 Law
Nehan Sethi and Jordan Teague (Web3 Attorneys at Campbell Teague) explore how AI challenges traditional notions of authorship and creativity, and the potential for blockchain to revolutionize IP protection.
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Ep 32: Congressman French Hill (R-AR 2nd District)
Congressman French Hill (R-AR 2nd District), Chairman of the Subcommittee on Digital Assets, discusses the groundbreaking H.R. 4763 bill and its impact on the future of blockchain regulation. Tune in to understand how this bipartisan effort aims to balance innovation and consumer protection in the digital asset space.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
The Policy Layer is a proud project of the Ava Labs Legal team that is committed to helping policymakers break through hype and navigate the blockchain world. We host podcasts with industry leaders seeking to build a better Internet. Check out our X profile @AvalanchePolicy, and visit our website owlexplains.com [https://owlexplains.com/], where you will find practical explainers, quizzes, and more fun resources on all things Web3.To stay in the know, subscribe to News from the Nest [https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/news-from-the-nest-7125501596116885504/]
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