The Pony Girls Podcast

Kelsey Dayle John (Diné) is an enrolled citizen of the Navajo Nation and an Assistant Professor in the Department of Ethnic Studies at the University of Colorado Boulder. Her research is on interspecies learning in Indigenous communities, Native American & Indigenous studies, and equine-assisted services. In this conversation, Kelsey shares with us her personal experience and relationship with horses, and shares her research. We discuss Indigenous vs. Western worldviews, where non-Indigenous people fit into the relationship with Native knowledge and worldviews, horses as part of the colonial narrative, and how history and cultural belief systems shape our interactions with humans, land, animals, and horses. To learn more about Kelsey's work, visit Kelsey John | Ethnic Studies | University of Colorado Boulder https://www.colorado.edu/ethnicstudies/kelsey-johnThe horse is Indigenous to North America: Why silencing the horse is so important to the settler projecthttps://www.academia.edu/101835784/The_horse_is_Indigenous_to_North_America_Why_silencing_the_horse_is_so_important_to_the_settler_projectAnthropomorphizing with Critical Reflexivity: The Danger and Potential of Anthropomorphizing in Equine-Facilitated Learning and Psychotherapyhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11851769/

In this episode, we learn about Sam Collier's work in theatre as a playwright and director. In particular, we learn about her interdisciplinary, interspecies production, Canine Capture: a performance in which her dog, Auberon, is one of the authors. Through this discussion, we explore what it means to collaborate with other species, both in our personal lives and in the arts. We investigate the role of listening, shifting perspectives, and the arts in bringing empathy to our interactions. To learn more about Sam's amazing work, visit her website, samcollierplays.com and Canine Capture at colorado.edu/atlas/canine-capture

How do we respond when we are working from a history that contains challenging ethics and grief? How do we responsibly use the knowledge for good, without erasing the violence of the past? Taylor and Christa delve into these questions in relation to Behavior Science, Shakespeare, and Classical Dressage. In part 2 of this conversation, we focus on Classical dressage and romanticizing the past. References: Beran, A.(2017). Classical Dressage with Anja Beran (2nd ed.). Cadmos Publishing.Horowitz, A. (2019). Our Dogs, Ourselves. Scribner. Loch, S. (1997). The Classical Rider. Trafalgar Square Publishing.

How do we respond when we are working from a history that contains challenging ethics and grief? How do we responsibly use the knowledge for good, without erasing the violence of the past? Taylor and Christa delve into these questions in relation to Behavior Science, Shakespeare, and Classical Dressage. References: Horowitz, A. (2019). Our Dogs, Ourselves. Scribner.

In the second half of our conversation with Jacquelyn, we dive into the relationship between rituals, training environments, body language, communication, and much more. To learn more about Jacquelyn's work, visit her website, Jacquelyn Marie Shannon

In this episode, we explore the connection between witchcraft and horses with Jacquelyn Marie Shannon, a witch, artist, and scholar. Maybe you are thinking- is there a connection between witchcraft and horses? The answer is YES! Listen to learn more about what witchcraft can teach us about the way we view and interact with women and horses historically and in present-day. To learn more about Jacquelyn's work, visit her website, Jacquelyn Marie Shannon

In this episode we continue our conversation with Trudi Dempsey, a clicker trainer and equine behavior consultant, about what ethical frameworks are and why they are important in the horse world. You can learn more about Trudi's work on her website https://www.equine.training/ or you can find her on Facebook or Instagram under her name, Trudi Dempsey.

For this week's episode we talk with Trudi Dempsey, a clicker trainer and equine behavior consultant, about what ethical frameworks are and why they are important in the horse world. You can learn more about Trudi's work on her website https://www.equine.training/ or you can find her on Facebook or Instagram under her name, Trudi Dempsey.

In this episode we continue our conversation from the previous episode with our long-time friend and dressage trainer, Andi Patzwald, about the joys and challenges of evolving your ideas as a professional in the horse world.You can learn more about Andi's work on her website (https://dressageinmotion.com), or follow her on Instagram (@dressage_in_motion) or Facebook.

In this episode we talk to our long-time friend and dressage trainer, Andi Patzwald, about the joys and challenges of evolving your ideas as a professional in the horse world. You can learn more about Andi's work on her website (https://dressageinmotion.com), or follow her on Instagram (@dressage_in_motion) or Facebook.

In this episode, we discuss how our work in the arts and education has shaped the way we interact with horses. Join us as we ponder why it's important to bring your full self to the horse world!

Welcome to the Pony Girls Podcast, making sense of the horse world through science, literature, the arts, and more. We are sisters working with horses on opposite coasts of the United States and having interesting conversations about horses on a near-daily basis. In this episode, we dive into who we are and why we are here. Come join us!