The Trainer's Wife

One of the things I hear over and over from women in this industry is this:“We love this life… but it’s a lot.”It’s a lot to support it.To build around it.To raise kids in it.And to figure out who you are inside of it.Today’s conversation with Kailey Gay is one I think a lot of you are going to recognize yourselves in.Kailey and her husband, Jason, have built their life in the Western equine world—balancing his career in the show pen with everything that comes with raising kids, managing a household, and the day-to-day behind the scenes.We talk about family, career, moving away from where you started, and what it looks like to grow into this role—not just as a trainer’s wife, but as a woman building a life alongside it.If you’ve ever felt the weight and the beauty of this lifestyle at the same time…this one will feel familiar.SHOW NOTES:Jason Gay TrainingAniCell BiotechShow Sponsor - Shorty's Caboy HatteryFinding Center RetreatsHey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.

This episode is a collection of real moments from conversations with women across the western equine industry.Different lives… same themes:– carrying the behind-the-scenes weight– navigating pressure and expectations– learning to support, adapt, and keep goingAnd somewhere in the middle of it all…finding connection, perspective, and a way to keep your cup full.This is what this life really looks like.SHOW NOTES:JEN & TAYLOR GILLESPIETAMMY & LANCE JOHNSTONTRICIA & TRACER GILSONSOPHIE & BRANDON BUTTARSTHE JENNIFER JOURNALSTHE TRAINER'S WIFE & FINDING CENTER RETREATSHey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.

There are seasons in life where everything changes at once.For Jodie Scheffel, it wasn’t just one shift—it was all of it.From Clovis, California…to Rice Lake, Wisconsin.From independence…to marriage, motherhood, and building a life alongside a horse trainer.A new place.A new role.A completely new rhythm.And as she’ll be the first to tell you—she had to grow into it.In the middle of long winters, a young family, and the early days of a business that demanded everything they had…Jodie learned, in real time, how to step into the life in front of her.How to become a partner.A mother.A steady presence in something bigger than herself.And alongside her, Lance Scheffel—with over $312,000 in NRCHA earnings today,they have built more than a training program.Together, they’ve helped grow the cow horse community in the North Central Region BY showing up, bringing customers, and continuing to invest in a part of the countrywhere this way of life doesn’t come easy.Because the western way of life isn’t just rooted in the places you expect—it’s built by the people willing to live it, wherever they are.This is a story about growth, partnership, and building something that lasts.🎙️ Jodie Scheffel on The Trainer’s WifeSHOW NOTES:LRS Performance Horses, LLC.Jodie on FBThe Jennifer JournalsFinding Center Retreats - emailHey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.

✨This week on The Trainer’s Wife… something new ✨For the first time, we’re hearing from the other side of the story —a Trainer’s Husband.Meet Tucker Robinson.NRCHA Million Dollar Rider.Snaffle Bit Futurity Champion.Raised in a legacy — but built in his own way.And married to someone you already know.Tina Robinson —a cow horse trainer in her own right, with over $247,000 in NRCHA earnings…If you listened to Tina’s episode, you heard her side of the story… this week, you’ll hear his.Together, they’ve built a life — and a business — side by side.But what stood out most in this conversation wasn’t the accolades.It’s how he shows up…As a husband.As a dad.As a steady presence behind the scenes of a thriving business.Tina runs the books, the clients, the moving pieces.Tucker handles the cattle, the upkeep, and the day-to-day work that keeps the operation running.And somewhere in that divide… they’ve built something that works.Not perfectly.Not without challenge.But with steadiness, respect, and a quiet kind of support that doesn’t always get talked about.Their story isn’t centered on struggle.It’s grounded in gratitude —in remembering the people who helped them along the way,and continuing to build something meaningful together.This episode is a different perspective……and one I think a lot of you are going to recognize. ✨SHOW NOTES:⁠Robinson Performance Horses⁠⁠Finding Center Retreats⁠⁠The Jennifer Journals⁠Hey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.

This week on The Trainer’s Wife… Episode 31 Some people grow up in this industry.And some… grow into themselves because of it.This week, I sat down with Tina Robinson — NRCHA professional, horsewoman, wife, and mom.With over $247,000 in NRCHA earnings and a career built over years in the show pen, Tina is someone this industry knows and respects. But what stands out to me isn’t just what she’s accomplished.It’s who she’s become.I knew Tina early on — when she was just getting started.And like a lot of us at that age… she was figuring things out in real time.There were moments of frustration.Moments where things didn’t go as planned.And moments where she had to step back and take a hard look at herself.At one point, she was told to go home and do the work —to figure out what was underneath the anger and learn how to move forward differently. And she did.She didn’t quit.She didn’t deflect it.She went to work on herself — and came back better for it.What followed were years of consistency…including nearly eight years in one program — a turning point that reflected just how much she had grown. Today, Tina is someone who helps lead a program alongside her husband,guides clients, raises her daughter,and shows up as a woman others look to.Not because she’s perfect.But because she did the work to become steady, capable, and trusted.And for me—this one is personal.I remember her at the beginning.And now I get to share who she is today.SHOW NOTES:Robinson Performance HorsesFinding Center RetreatsThe Jennifer JournalsHey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.

Nine months pregnant. No job. No health insurance. A mortgage and a baby on the way.When Brooke Johnson found herself suddenly facing one of the most uncertain moments of her life, she did what many horsewomen know how to do best — she figured it out and kept moving forward.In this episode of The Trainer’s Wife, Jennifer Bishop sits down with Brooke in Weatherford, Texas to talk about resilience, rebuilding life after unexpected turns, and finding your way back to the horse industry.Brooke grew up around horses, built a successful corporate career, and eventually returned to the western equine world in a new season of life. Today she and her husband, colt starter Jace Johnson, are blending families, raising kids, and building a program that helps shape young horses across multiple western disciplines.In this conversation, Brooke shares the winding road that brought her here — from starting a hay business with a newborn baby, to building a life centered around horses once again.Topics we talk about in this episode:• Life behind a colt starter’s program• Blending families in the horse industry• Resilience during major life transitions• Building a business in the western equine community• Advice for women navigating life in the horse worldIf you enjoy this episode, be sure to follow The Trainer’s Wife so you don’t miss future conversations with the women behind the western performance horse industry.SHOW NOTES:Johnson Horse Co.Remade Insurance Group - Brooke JohnsonThe Jennifer JournalsHey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.

Some women are born into the horse industry.Some marry into it.Some build their place in it over a lifetime.And some… do all three.This week on The Trainer’s Wife, I sat down in the Fort Worth Stockyards with Sandy Jirkovsky — Director of Judges & Professional Horsemen for the American Paint Horse Association, industry judge, horse trainer, mother, grandmother… and a woman whose story spans generations of this Western equine life.Sandy is the daughter of a horse trainer.She watched her mother quietly hold together the business behind the scenes.She became a trainer herself.A trainer’s wife.A single mother.And a woman forced to rebuild more than once.In this episode, Sandy shares — with remarkable honesty — the chapters of her life that shaped her. She speaks about leaving marriages that weren’t meant to last, the courage it took to start over, and how those experiences formed not only who she became… but the perspective she carries today.Her son, Chris Dawson, grew up to become one of the most accomplished professionals in the Reined Cow Horse industry. Alongside his wife Sarah, they have amassed over $5.5 million in earnings, becoming one of the most respected partnerships in the sport. And Sandy said something that stayed with me:She believes the things she got wrong… mattered.Because they shaped his life.And opened doors for his future.But Sandy’s story didn’t end there.Thirty years ago, she married Jim Jirkovsky — a respected horseman, trainer, and partner. Together, they built a life grounded not in survival, but in choice. Sandy shares the quiet truth that lasting love didn’t come from finding perfection — it came from learning to grow, to accept, and to find happiness within herself.She also reinvented herself professionally — stepping into leadership, education, and helping shape the future of judging and professional standards in our industry.Sandy has judged around the world.She has mentored countless horsemen and horsewomen.She has influenced generations — not just through horses, but through example.And yet, even now, she speaks about balance.About being present.About being a wife.About being a grandmother.About not missing the moments that matter most.And maybe the most powerful lesson she shared was simple:“Follow your passion. And then some.”If you’ve ever questioned your path…If you’ve ever had to start over…If you’ve ever wondered whether it’s too late to become something new…This episode is for you.SHOW NOTES:American Paint Horse Association - Contact SandyThe Jennifer Journals

🎙️ This week on The Trainer’s Wife Podcast, I’m honored to welcome Susan Marvin—a woman whose story is rooted in faith, discipline, and building something lasting from the ground up.Susan and her husband, Tommy Marvin spent decades shaping a respected legacy in the cutting horse industry. Tommy is a Hall of Fame member with over $2.3 million in National Cutting Horse Association earnings and a NCHA Futurity Champion. Susan herself has earned more than $259,000 in NCHA competition.But their story didn’t start in arenas and winner’s circles.It started with bare land, a motorhome, a few panels, and a shared dream.From humble beginnings in Arkansas to building an 800-acre ranch in Barnsdall, Oklahoma, the Marvins created their operation piece by piece—guided by strong Christian faith, financial discipline, and a commitment to avoiding debt. Today, their ranch includes multiple arenas, barns, cattle, and a home they built themselves—and is nearly debt-free, the result of years of patience and intentional choices.Susan shares openly about:• Leaving college and special education to pursue life in the horse world• Supporting Tommy through every stage of his career• Managing books, schedules, horses, and family• Raising children in the industry• Building a business with integrity and faith• The power of patience and long-term visionAs their daughter, Kenli, beautifully shared, Susan is “the backbone”—the bookkeeper, loper, encourager, and steady presence behind it all. A competitor in her own right, a mother, and a true partner in every sense.What I love most about Susan’s story is that it reminds us that real success isn’t flashy.It’s faithful.It’s steady.It’s built one stall, one fence, one building at a time.It’s about building something that lasts.And it’s about the quiet strength of a woman who helped make it all possible.Now, when they have a quiet moment to sit on the porch of the home they built, they look out over their land, their cattle, and a peaceful pond in front of the house—a view that reflects the life they’ve worked so hard to create.🎧 Don’t miss this powerful and inspiring conversation with Susan Marvin.Hey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.SHOW NOTES: Marvin Performance HorsesThe Jennifer JournalsThe Trainer's Wife, Solo Mini-SeriesSponsored by Ken Wold Stallion Services

Permission Without Punishment — Episode 3 of my mini-series is finally here.This one is about the quiet ways we keep paying for things we’ve already learned from.If you’ve ever thought:“I should be past this by now.”“I haven’t earned ease yet.”“I can’t slow down.”You’re not alone.This episode is an invitation to release what no longer serves you — without losing your integrity.💛 Thanks for being here.Hey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.SHOW NOTES:The Jennifer JournalsEmail: ⁠[email protected] ⁠ for the full PDF of the presentation and to subscribe

Today’s guest embodies grit, grace, and quiet excellence in the Western performance horse world.Meet Veronica Swales.Professional horse trainer.Wife to a professional horse trainer.Mom. Competitor. Survivor. 💙Veronica and her husband, Clay Volmer, are both Top 30 riders in the NRCHA — representing the very best of the reined cow horse industry.🏆 Over $748,000 in NRCHA earnings🏆 NRCHA Stallion Stakes Champion🏆 Reserve Champion — NRCHA Snaffle Bit FuturityClay is an NRCHA professional with more than $800,000 in earnings and an NRCHA Hackamore Classic Championship to his name.Together, they’re raising two children in Perrin, Texas — building a life rooted in family and horsemanship.In 2025, Veronica experienced a serious accident.Her recovery?Nothing short of remarkable.Though she couldn’t compete at the Snaffle Bit Futurity, her brother John stepped in to ride Bowie Nights — who went on to win the Iconic Championship. ✨Originally from Longview, Alberta, Canada — a place she will always call home — Veronica’s roots in the equine industry run deep, just like her family’s legacy.But this episode isn’t just about wins and titles.It’s about resilience.Partnership.Motherhood.And learning how to keep moving forward when life doesn’t go as planned.🎧 Please welcome, Veronica Swales — now on The Trainer’s Wife.Hey everyone, and welcome to Season Two of The Trainer’s Wife.If you’ve been here for a while, thank you for walking this journey with me — and if you’re new, I’m so glad you found us.This is where I sit down with the wives of professional horse trainers in the Western equine industry to share their stories — not just in the arena, but in life.We talk about how they show up for their families, their careers, their communities, and for other women.This podcast is a place to celebrate strong, brave, beautiful women whose roots run deep — and whose impact reaches far beyond the show pen.I’m so glad you’re here.SHOW NOTES:The Jennifer JournalsVeronica Swales Performance HorsesClay Volmer

Lowering My Shield 🛡️I’ve spent most of my life being very good at working hard, pushing through, and figuring things out on my own.Resilience has always been a strength for me.But recently, I’ve been learning that resilience can also become a shield — one that protects us not just from pain, but sometimes from receiving something good.This solo episode is an honest reflection on what it looks like to slow down, release a bit of control, and notice where receiving feels vulnerable.Where in your life might you be holding the shield a little too tightly?🎧 Lowering My Shield is now live.If this resonates, I hope you’ll listen — and maybe share it with someone who’s been strong for a long time.Show Notes:War Horses For Veterans~ The Warrior's Wife ~ Jessica Draper~ Choosing Permission ~ Mini- Series Episode 1Presentation Material for Mini-Series

Today’s episode is a little different—and deeply meaningful.I’m honored to share a conversation with Jessica Draper—wife of a U.S. Army Green Beret and the Director of Organizational Development at War Horses for Veterans.Jessica’s passion for service extends far beyond one role. In addition to her work supporting veterans and first responders through the War Horses Network, she is also a highly educated Clinical Nutritionist and the founder of Plant Aptitude, where she helps individuals navigate food choices for better health, resilience, and long-term well-being.In this episode, we talk about service, sacrifice, faith, and family—but also about caring for the whole person. Mind. Body. Spirit. Whether through community connection, purposeful mission, or intentional nutrition, Jessica’s work is rooted in helping people feel stronger, supported, and equipped for what’s next.We also discuss the War Horses Network—a nationwide resource hub open to all veterans and first responders, offering career and transition support, wellness and resilience tools, education, family resources, and meaningful connection. You do not need to have come through their programs to access it.This conversation is about strength that continues long after the uniform comes off—and the many ways healing can take shape.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.SHOW NOTES:War Horses For VeteransPlant Aptitude - Jessica Draper, Clinical Nutritionist

We hear a lot about being resilient—and are even praised for it. I’ve always thought it was a strong character trait. Recently, though, I’ve been learning how resilience may be better relied upon as a tool rather than something that defines us.I want my character to be defined by how I connect with others—and how I stay connected to myself. This mini-series is where I begin to explore what that looks like.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.SHOW NOTES:Email: TheTrainersWife @Outlook.com for the full PDF of the presentation and to subscribehttps://www.thejenniferjournals.com/

Have you ever heard cheering in a quiet arena?One steady voice rising above the silence—not because success is rare, but because there’s always something worth celebrating.Effort. Try. Heart. Progress. Commitment.Today, you’ll meet Ramona Wold.I can honestly say I have never met a woman so unwavering, so devoted, and so confidently proud in her support of the people and passions she loves.Ramona is the wife of Ken Wold—an NRCHA Professional, Hall of Fame member, and Million Dollar Rider. But together, their legacy reaches far beyond titles and earnings.This couple embodies the heart of the Western performance horse community—placing deep value on integrity, stewardship of the industry, and investing in the future of the sport.When faced with adversity, this trainer’s wife turns first to God. And when met with grace, she responds with gratitude—offering wisdom, teaching, and love to those around her.From Wilton, California, Ramona Wold exemplifies what it means to support with strength and humility—defending honor when needed, respecting boundaries always, and promoting a sport and way of life she wholeheartedly believes in.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.SHOW NOTES:Ken WoldKen Wold Training Stables on FacebookThe Jennifer Journals

In today’s episode, I sit down with Cameron Baldus — the heart behind Baldus Horsemanship and the wife of accomplished horseman Ben Baldus. While the Baldus name is well known across multiple arenas, this conversation centers on Cameron and the many roles she holds that make both their business and life possible.Cameron is a successful Western wear model, a budding chef, and the full-time administrator for Baldus Horsemanship — often serving as the problem-solver, fixer, and steady presence behind the scenes. Her contributions are woven into every part of the operation, even when they’re not always visible from the outside.Ben’s career provides the backdrop to Cameron’s story. A NRCHA World Champion with nearly $650,000 in earnings, Ben has also earned great success in the AQHA, NRHA, and RHAA. His success reflects years of discipline and dedication — work Cameron stands beside, supports, and shares in every step of the way.At the core of Cameron and Ben’s life is a deep faith. They trust God with their relationship, their business, and their future, while committing daily to the hard work required to pursue their goals — both personally and professionally.As Ben often says, and Cameron wholeheartedly agrees, “You have to enjoy the process.” This episode is a reminder of what that looks like in real life — the unseen work, the shared belief, and the woman behind the operation who makes it all move forward.Show Notes:Baldus HorsemanshipThe Jennifer JournalsThe Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

Welcome to Episode 20 of The Trainer’s Wife!It’s a milestone episode for the podcast—and it arrives at the perfect moment for our guest, Nina Hammerness, wife of NRCHA professional Luke Hammerness. Luke wrapped up 2025 as not only a two-time Intermediate Open Finalist at the Snaffle Bit Futurity, but this year he also earned a spot in the Open Finals.With just over $120,000 in NRCHA earnings, Luke is steadily becoming a consistent finalist at NRCHA premier events. In this episode, Nina shares the stories that shaped their journey—stories of their life, their business, and the goals that keep them moving forward. Hard work is at the core of Hammerness Performance Horses, which comes as no surprise to anyone who knows them. But it’s Nina’s openness and vulnerability—especially as she talks about her deep and uncommon bond with animals—that may leave you feeling even more connected to this couple.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.Show Notes:Visit Hammerness Performance Horses on Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/HammerTimeHorses/mentionsCheck out The Jennifer Journals:https://www.thejenniferjournals.com

In this episode, I sit down with Beth Steffen, wife of Shane Steffen—2021 NRCHA World’s Greatest Horseman and one of the association’s newest Million Dollar Riders. Beth and Shane make their home in Prineville, Oregon, where they’re building their new facility and raising their family, while cultivating a thriving equine business rooted in faith and purpose.As the Steffens continue to grow their program, they remain deeply committed to shaping the future of the reined cow horse industry. In 2025, Beth played a pivotal role in bringing together Reined Cow Horse and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes for a unique event designed to bless young riders and the coaches who pour into them—creating meaningful connections in ways only God can orchestrate.Hear the heart behind their work, the story of this remarkable partnership, and so much more—all in this inspiring episode.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.Show Notes:Shane Steffen Performance Horses - https://www.facebook.com/steffenperformancehorsesFellowship of Christian Athletes - https://www.fcapnwoutdoors.org/copy-of-2025-reined-cow-horse-campThe Jennifer Journals - https://www.thejenniferjournals.com/

In this episode, I had the pleasure of sitting down with Mrs. Cheryl Winters, the wife of renowned Natural Horsemanship Clinician and NRCHA Professional Richard Winters. Together, the two have built a thriving partnership both in marriage and in business over the past forty years, with Cheryl playing an essential role in shaping their shared success.Cheryl is a remarkable example of the many hats a trainer’s wife must wear — serving as business administrator, videographer, production assistant, head cook at the bunkhouse, bed-and-breakfast operator, and, of course, devoted mother to two high-achieving children.During our conversation, Cheryl shared heartfelt stories about the evolution of Richard’s career as well as that of their talented horse-trainer daughter. Her influence continues to be a cornerstone in the Winters family legacy, offering steady support and guidance wherever it’s needed most.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

In this episode, I sit down with Laura Dare, who is the wife of NRHA Professional and earner of $1.9 Million in the sport of Reining, Trevor Dare!Laura brings a unique perspective to The Trainer's Wife, as a Non Pro Cutter (NCHA), equine nutrition enthusiast, mother of 2, and self-proclaimed Chaos Coordinator.We had a wonderful conversation about her early years as an equine pharmaceutical representative, the importance of networking in business and how to not sell products, but to promote and prove them. Additionally she brought to light the importance of valuing everything in your business, and how to impart that wisdom to their staff.Laura and Trevor are currently building a new facility in Prucell, Oklahoma. She offers great advice about the financial aspect of this move and all the details they have considered to make it a success. Laura's perspective has been shaped from the time she was a child. From her late mother's cow horse roots, her upbringing in the NCHA, and her current presence in the NRHA she has a deep understanding of the western performance horse industry.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

In this episode, I sit down with Rhonda Holmes — wife of NRCHA Professional and winner of multiple AQHA World Championships!This conversation took place during the 2025 Riata Buckle Championship at the Lazy E in Guthrie, Oklahoma. Rhonda and Jay loaded the trailer with the team roping horses and made the journey from Florida.This couple has been successful in Cutting, Roping, and Reined Cow horse in their 40 year career and Rhonda shares some valuable insight that shaped their journey and added to their success. The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

In this episode, I sit down with Tammy Hays — wife of NRCHA Professional and World's Greatest Horseman, Shawn Hays.Our conversation covered a wide range of topics: raising kids, investing in real estate, pushing through hard times, offering emotional support — and even how being covered in frozen afterbirth can totally shift your perspective.I’ve known Tammy since the mid-1990s and have always appreciated her humor and admired her horsemanship. But during this conversation, she shared sides of herself I hadn’t seen before — through stories that were honest, heartfelt, and deeply resonant.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

In Episode 14, I welcome Mrs. Carol Williamson from Rio Verde, Arizona. Carol is the wife of life long horseman, cowboy and trainer, Doug Williamson. In August of 2024, Carol lost her best friend but his legacy and their love live on in our western performance horse industry. At 82, Doug had earned many titles, such as NRCHA Million Dollar Rider, NRCHA Hall of Fame Member, and two time Snaffle Bit Futurity Champion!I am beyond grateful for the opportunity to sit down with Carol to share her story, some laughs and allow her to impart her wisdom to the couples out there who need to better understand the sacrifices and the rewards of this western way of life. The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

In Episode 13, Pam Crawford shares her story with us shedding light on not only the early years, but her career as a breeding manager, realtor and trainer's wife. She and husband Todd, have just celebrated 45 years of marriage!As we spoke she revealed layer upon layer of what has made their marriage work in the western performance horse world as Todd grew to be an icon in not only the reined cow horse, and reining, but the industry as a whole. He is an NRCHA $3 Million rider, and has almost reached $1 Million in NRHA as well! Todd is also a member of the NRCHA Hall of Fame, and a past NRCHA President.Together, Pam and Todd contribute countless hours to the grass roots of the association to ensure longevity by promoting youth and other programs to build a strong future.The Trainer’s Wife is a podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

Episode 12, of The Trainer's Wife, was recorded during the NRCHA Derby in Scottsdale, AZ, with local wife, Mindy Barkemeyer, who says she married her best friend, over twenty years ago and has never looked back! Brad is an NRCHA Professional, World's Greatest Horseman Finalist, and has NRCHA earnings of $240,000 to date. Most importantly, they have a beautiful family, thriving business, and goals for the future as their children leave the nest and they consider what's next. Mindy is open and honest about being a young mother, the changes it brings to daily life, and how to persevere in the western equine industry while not losing your identity. She is a woman of strong faith, which has served her family well!Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

In the episode, I talk with Chelsi Johnson, from Twin Falls, Idaho. She is the wife of NRCHA Professional, JD Johnson who has started to excel in the reined cow horse arena over the last several years. The couple splits their time between Idaho and Arizona, taking advantage of all the Grand Canyon State has to offer during long winter months up north.Chelsi shares stories about being the wife of a young horse trainer just starting out, and how important it was to have qualified mentor's from the business in their lives. She is committed to helping her husband succeed and willing to do whatever is needed to push him forward.Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

In the episode, I talk with LaDona Emmons, from Ione, CA. She is the wife of Ron Emmons ~ Two time, World's Greatest Horseman, NRCHA Professional and Hall of Fame Member. LaDona shares important lessons about business and finance, and how she and Ron manage those things together with transparency. She also recognizes the importance of the support and connection with other wives in the business.Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers.

In this episode, I talk with Brianna Koch, wife of NRCHA Million Dollar Rider, Matt Koch. She tells us about life growing up in Alaska, and her journey into the horse world. She also opens up about the sacrifices she and Matt have made to enhance the life of their child. Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. 

In the episode, I talk with Jennifer Gillespie. She is the wife of NRCHA Professional, Judge and Commentator, Taylor Gillespie. Jen is candid with us about how she learned to manage their income taxes in a way to allow a self employed horse trainer to obtain a home mortgage - great information to have! She also talks about her husband's military career and their new opportunity with War Horses for Veterans.Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. 

In this episode, I welcome Tricia Gilson of Sanger, California. She is the Horse Division Manager of Booth Ranches, as well as being the wife of Professional Horseman, Tracer Gilson, who trains reined cow horses and reiners . Tricia brings us very insightful information in regard to finances, raising children in the industry and remembering how to be a soft place to fall for your husband, in a world where you have to be double tough, most of the time. Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry. For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. www.GilsonPerformanceHorses.com

Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry.For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. Colorado based, Reanna Dillman, talks about how to lose, how to win and keeping perspective. She and her husband Dave share a motto: "Never too high, and never too low." In this episode, we explore what that means.Welcome, to the Trainer's Wife

Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry.For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. "On the 7th day, it's maintenance - we do more work," says Tammy Johnston. She is the wife of NRCHA Professional and Million Dollar rider, Lance Johnston. Hard work has put them on the map of the western equine performance horse industry, where their specialty is reined cow horse.Welcome to, The Trainer's Wife.

Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry.For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. My guest today is the wife of NRHA Professional, Shane Brown. She is an artist and an author of women's psychological thrillers in addition to all of her day to day duties of being a trainer's wife. Welcome, Stacey Brown!Be sure to search for her on Facebook, by looking for, The Dotted Eye ~ her artwork. You can also find her books on Amazon, under the moniker, Sterling Blake.

Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry.For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. In this episode, Cheryl Chown shares two strong pieces of advice:1 - "If you don't believe in yourself, don't expect anyone else to believe in you." 2 - "Be understanding of what it takes for them (your husband, or significant other) to be successful."Welcome to, The Trainer's Wife.

Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry.For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. Welcome, to the Trainer's Wife

Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry.For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. In this episode I welcome Patty Ralls from Gainesville, TX to the show. She is the wife of NRCHA Million Dollar Rider, World's Greatest Horseman and Hall of Fame member, Ron Ralls.You can find them on Facebook at Ron Ralls Performance Horses.Resources & Links:https://www.facebook.com/RonRallsPerformanceHorseshttps://www.jwbrookscustomhats.com/

Welcome to, The Trainer’s Wife. A podcast dedicated to celebrating the wives, and on occasion the husbands, of horse trainer’s in the western equine industry.For 35 years I’ve watched talented, successful, brave, beautiful women pour themselves into their husbands careers.These women not only manage and build his business, they manage and build their own as well, sometimes while trying to train and show horses themselves. Whether they are cheering for him from the stands, the back gate, their computer screen at work, or the kids basketball game, they rarely miss one of his go’s at a show. And when he’s done they have the ultimate task of supporting him with empathy, love and acceptance. They have to find the right words to fit each run, learn how to respond and not react, know when and how to offer constructive criticism or just sit in the quiet and let it be. This podcast is about exploring not only what these women bring to complex relationships, but how they continue to be strong, resilient and independent while not losing themselves or being swallowed by their husbands careers. In this episode I welcome Sophie Buttars, from Snowville, Utah to the show. She is the wife of NRCHA Professional and Top Ten Rider, Brandon Buttars.You can find them both on Facebook at Brandon Buttars Cowhorses.