The Ways We Move +

Tell us more about yourself and what you would like to hear!Brent Klavon, Chief Strategy Officer at ANRA Technologies, joins The Ways We Move to pull back the curtain on Uncrewed Traffic Management (UTM) — the invisible infrastructure that lets drones, delivery services, and first responders safely share the same airspace. From Amazon Prime Air to Dubai's air navigation system to Counter-UAS security at the FIFA World Cup, ANRA is operating at the intersection of technology, regulation, and global airspace complexity. And on AI? Brent has a refreshingly honest take. 00:00 Introduction — Season 2 update and two-week hiatus explained 03:28 Meet Brent Klaxon — Chief Strategy Officer, ANRA Technologies 03:56 How ANRA Was Founded: Garage startup to NASA partnership (2015) 05:04 What Is UTM? Uncrewed Traffic Management explained simply 09:00 How drones fit into already-crowded airspace 11:46 US airspace structure and why traditional ATC doesn't scale to drones 13:01 The Three-Circle Framework: Technology, Standards, and Policy 17:01 Real-world UTM today: Amazon Prime Air flying thousands of flights daily18:23 Drone as First Responder — prioritization when the lights come on 21:09 New York Power Authority: UTM for utility infrastructure at scale 22:22 GPS spoofing, cybersecurity, and how ANRA monitors system health 25:10 AI in UTM — not a silver bullet: what it actually does (and doesn't) 25:37 EASA U-Space certification — first and only UTM provider in Europe 28:19 Building an agnostic global platform: tailoring UTM for each market 29:13 The Dubai project and the impact of regional conflict on delivery 34:08 Counter-UAS at the FIFA World Cup 2026: protecting shared airspace 38:07 Military and dual-use: where the lines are blurring 39:25 Data privacy, ownership, and the coming FAA data rule. Competition and the state of the UTM market. Brent's personal note — lessons from seven years building ANRA 🔗 ElectricAirMobility.news 🔗 ANRA Technologies: anratechnologies.com 🎙️ Subscribe on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube 🤝 Support on Patreon: patreon.com/c/TheWaysWeMove

Tell us more about yourself and what you would like to hear!Matt Lapin is a counsel at Wiley Rein in Washington DC with a long background in international trade law — and in a sector where supply chain complexity, China de-risking, rare earth dependencies, and regulatory actions are reshaping everything, his perspective cuts through in ways the standard industry coverage doesn't reach.We cover what supply chain actually means for a disruptive emerging technology, why COVID was the first real proof that globalized supply chains were more fragile than anyone admitted, and how the US-China geopolitical conflict is producing both constraint and genuine opportunity for AAM manufacturers and operators.Matt breaks down the FCC's action against DJI, what the American Drone Dominance executive order signals about how the current administration views eVTOL, and why reading the policy two levels underneath the headline is the most important analytical skill anyone in this sector can develop right now.His closing advice: understand the rules that are actually in play — not the ones you assumed were in play a year ago — and challenge every first principle your strategy was built on, because uncertainty is no longer the exception. It's the operating condition.In this episode:0:00 — The Trade Law Nerd Who Ended Up in Advanced Air Mobility0:08 — Inside Wiley Rein: How International Trade Law Shapes Emerging Tech1:08 — What "Supply Chain" Actually Means — And Why Everyone Gets It Wrong3:22 — COVID's Real Legacy: The First Stress Test of Globalized Supply Chains4:14 — The China Problem Is a Supply Chain Problem — And It's Not Going Away5:40 — De-risking Without Decoupling: Why a Clean Break From China Isn't Happening7:29 — Run Faster or Trip the Other Guy: How Policy Levers Actually Work9:03 — What's Good for America Needs to Be Good for the Industry — Not the Other Way Around11:25 — When the Government Decides Your Sector Is a National Security Asset13:17 — The FCC's DJI Move: How a Regulatory Constraint Created a Domestic Drone Opportunity15:39 — Rare Earths, Export Controls, and the Negotiation Hiding Inside the Tariff War17:56 — How to Build Strategy When Uncertainty Is the Operating Condition20:21 — The Rubik's Cube Mindset: Matt's Two Takeaways for Anyone in This IndustryWatch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Bk51yRB4ZQQAnd for previous episodes of the Ways We Move on your favorite podcast platforms, see: ▶️ Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheWaysWeMove📺🔊 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-ways-we-move/id1797599255 🔊🎧 Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4V0qe3eZqublwn6dasXWCf 🎧🎙️ Amazon Podcasts: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/cd3349e1-275f-4691-ae38-f1b6a153d5e5/the-ways-we-move 🎙️📻 iHeart Radio: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-the-ways-we-move-268614085/ 📻🌱 Buzzsprout: https://thewayswemove.buzzsprout.com/ 🗣️🎬 Patreon education and news analysis! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheWaysWeMove 🔒📢 Support now: https://www.patreon.com/c/TheWaysWeMoveSubscribe for more insights into the future of mobility and support the show! https://www.buzzsprout.com/2428454/supporters/new 📡