PODCAST · society
Women Are Real
by Judee See / Jane Burns
Women’s experiences navigating "GEND3R"framework in the Bay Area of California and beyond.
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Liz
How does a regular person help pass two first-in-the-nation laws? Texas mother and policy advocate Liz walks us through how she did exactly that in 2025: holding insurance companies accountable for the consequences of sex rejecting procedures, and requiring sex accuracy in electronic health records. A pragmatic conversation about playing the long game , choosing winable battles and how ordinary people can actually move legislation.
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Christy
Christy Hammer, a professor of sociology, education, and gender studies describes how answering a student's direct question "how many sexes are there?", set off a cancellation campaign that went viral and changed her life.
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Ellie
A Ukrainian mother, Ellie, shares the devastating story of losing custody of her daughter after refusing to affirm her daughter's "trans" identity. Follow the path from psychiatric intervention and online grooming to California's "unicorn home" foster system.
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Rachel Rooney
Rachel Rooney, an award winning UK children's poet, describes how writing the body positive picture book 'My Body is Me' led to public attacks and blacklisting.
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Dr. Katie Alcock
Dr. Katie Alcock is a UK developmental psychologist, senior lecturer at Lancaster University, and a former Girl's Guide leader. She explains how young children often believe that changing clothes changes who one is and why this matters in relation to children's susceptiblity to "gender ideology" in schools.
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Tatiana-part 2
Part 2 of 2Tatiana & Jane discuss the trial.
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Tatiana
Tatiana, a longtime leftie activist, artist, and free spirited Canadian woman, recounts a violent assault in which a man broke her nose for simply holding a sign.This is part 1 of a 2 part episode recorded before the trial.Part 2 follows the trial.
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TERFing in 2026
We are back! After an unexpected break, Jane & Judee catch up on life and dive into the latest absurdities in the "can men be women?" debate. We discuss campus philosophy emails to SCOTUS "TERF superbowl" , a cancelled library debate, Dylvan Mulvaney, democrats dodging a basic question and the Tremaine Carroll case that noone in California media wants to touch.
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Elle
Elle, a former prosecutor and advocate for women facing domestic violence, describes how her daughter's experience with a male student in a girl's dorm pushed her into the fight to protect women's spaces.
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S
S, a Canadian bisexual woman, former inmate and nationally ranked athlete, traces her journey from 2010's Tumbler to practicing BDSM & prostitution, to prison , to women's rights advocate.
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Arielle
Arielle, a wife, mother, and self-described “total normie,” recounts how her child’s 1st grade curriculum in a Bay Area school centered Jazz Jennings as the model of integrity. We discuss parental pushback, the cult-like spread of gender ideology in schools, and how ordinary families are waking up.
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Victoria
A New York nurse practitioner and single mom recounts her teen son's abrupt adoption of a 'trans' identity and the turmoil at home. Then, in an almost surreal twist, she encounters a man in the women's locker room at a Korean spa, leading her to getting kicked out for objecting.
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MaryCate Delvey
You know her, you love her: TERFluencer MaryCate Delvey joins us for a behind-the-scenes chat as sharp and fearless as her timeline. How did she peak? What inspired her first video? We get into it.
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Back to school with Elliot
High school senior Elliott pulls back the curtain on Gen Z’s encounter with gender ideology through media, school, and peers. From a “just be nice” middle schooler to an unapologetic “ultra-terf” senior, this back-to-school episode is a roller coaster.
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Emily & Gaia
Mother and daughter, Gaia and Emily, share a candid conversation about identity, healing, and truth. Emily recounts her seven years living as a boy and what led her to reclaim her female identity. Gaia, a Truckee-based massage therapist and author, reflects on parenting through it all. A rare, personal look at ROGD from 2 distinct angles.
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WDI-USA President Elizabeth Chesak
Elizabeth tells what led up to her peaking and how she became the current president of WDI-USA.
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CIF & YMCA update/BONUS episode
Jane & Julie Lane give us an update on this weekend's group actions. A banner was flown at the CIF track & field finals in Clovis and the group did another protest outside a San Francisco YMCA.
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Kaeley Triller
In 2015, Kaeley was fired from her dream job at the YMCA because she disagreed with their new policy that allows males access to female locker rooms if they identify as women.
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Maggie & Rose
Maggie and Rose, an older lesbian couple, reflect on the loss of their women only community after it was invaded by a man. Rose also offers rare first hand insight into the 1966 Compton's Cafeteria Riot, challenging the modern trans activist narrative that has rewritten it's historyl
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Elizabeth Kenney
Elizabeth Kenney tells us what happened in the women's locker room at the YMCA in Berkeley, California when she encounted a man harassing an elderly woman.youtube music link for her band 'Hammerlock'https://youtu.be/U-reW4fjLWQ?si=m4eWTQsQYFi2o1o0
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April CA TERF roundup
April was a busy month for the TERFs in California. Julie Lane from WAR & Coalition of Sane People joins us to discuss what's been happening.
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Alice Engel
Author, mother and theatre teacher, Alice Engel reflects on her experience with a workplace mandated "gender" struggle session and discusses the inspiration behind her delightful new children's book.Link to book here: https://a.co/d/dyJSlTR
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Meg
Meg recounts her experience as a lactation consultant with La Leche League before they changed their postion on men chestfeeding babies.
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Leta/TERF nurse
Leta discusses her career working in a psych unit for teens. During her career she says sometimes all the patients in the ward identified as "trans". Administration mandated that staff call the patients by their preferred pronouns and names, even if their parents were not aware.
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ROAR nyc/Liz
Mathematician and ROAR organizer Dr. Liz Fedak shares her harrowing experience with an AGP coworker. ROAR NYC is a grassroots women’s organization in the NYC metro area.https://roarwomennyc.com/
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Stephanie Winn/Some Kind of Therapist
Therapist Stephanie Winn shares hard-won insights from her extensive work with families navigating gender identity challenges. Winn offers practical strategies for parents trying to maintain relationships with trans identified teens and young adults, providing sophisticated communication approaches that work with, rather than against adolescent psychology.Use code 'womenarereal' for 50% off your first month of Winn's course found at ROGDrepair.com
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Caitlyn/DC Isaak
Self described former “bio queen” describes her time in the LA drag culture and how she adopted a “trans” identity to gain an invite to Ru Paul’s drag race.DC Isaak media links:https://youtube.com/@dcisaak?si=hVj23lKGZDRUJqYPhttps://substack.com/@dcisaak/note/p-154790428?utm_source=notes-share-action
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Freda
A radical feminist lesbian shares her experience with a male who called himself a lesbian, in the "queer" housing at UC Berkeley.
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Nicole
A conservative mother fights to stop kids from dancing for money on school property.
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Reeta
Reeta recounts her experience staying in a women's shelter with a trans identified man.
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Jen
A bay area mother tells the story of when her daughter was housed with a boy on an overnight school trip.
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2024 CA TERF year in review
Jane & Judee discuss 'WAR' actions from last year, legislation that CA passed and how the election in November changed the landscape of the gender wars.
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Jos
A conversation with Jos, the executive director of LGB alliance USA.
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Susannah
Susannah Luthi, a journalist at the Washington Free Beacon and former reporter for Politico, explains how the manipulation of language in journalism led her to recognize the erasure of women in both language and law.
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Michelle
Michelle is a mother, lawyer and a libertarian. She wrote an op-ed that appeared in the San Mateo Daily Journal that ignited a flame war between her and a TRA coach.
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Carol
Jane & Carol discuss Carol’s podcast ‘Peak Lesbian’, LGB alliance and more.
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TERF terms starter pack *bonus episode*
New to the gender wars? In this episode we define some of the terms and acronyms we use frequently in our conversations with our guests.
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Amy from SAC TERF Central
Amy shares her “peaking” story with us and we talk about some of her activist work.
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Mello from RevFOXX USA
Mello discusses her video documentation work of people challenging g3nder policies throughout the USA.
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Amanda Kovattana
Amanda discusses her date with an "unexpected p3nis" in the lesbian dating scene from years ago, and more interesting things. Amanda has written 3 books, 'the Unexpected P3nis' and 'Diamonds in My Pocket' and 'the Girls Guide to Off Grid living'.
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Judee
Jane & Judee discuss "peaking" and speaking out in the Bay Area in California.
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Mary: perspective from a woman in tech
Mary worked in the male dominated tech industry in the bay from 1990-2019. She is a lifelong democrat who once helped campaign for CA Senator Scott Wiener and now helps the campaign running against him.
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Arianne from LGB alliance
Arianne discusses how she met Jane at a murder trial in Oakland and her experiences with LGB alliance & WAR.
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The Beginning part 2: SF TERF Central
A conversation with the cofounder of SF TERF Central, Cynthia.
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The Beginning: SF TERF Central: part 1
A conversation with Julie / cofounder of SF TERF Central.
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Origin Story
A conversation with Jane Burns. What peaked her and how she started “Women Are Real”.
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