You Seem Fine Podcast

Season Finale!Hot Take: Emotional ownership isn’t just awareness — it requires skill-building, accountability, and ESPECIALLY therapy.We talk a lot about being emotionally aware. Naming feelings. Knowing our triggers. Asking for space. But awareness alone isn’t emotional ownership — and this season finale asks the harder question: what do we do with our emotions once we notice them?In this episode, Roland and Hannah break down emotional ownership as an active, ongoing practice that goes far beyond insight or good intentions. They explore why emotional intelligence isn’t something we’re just supposed to “figure out,” and why developing EQ requires the same kind of education, coaching, and structure as any other skill. Friends can support us — but they aren’t trained to challenge patterns, hold accountability, or create the safety needed to grow.Through metaphors, clinical insight, and honest reflection, this conversation tackles avoidance, ghosting, accountability, boundaries, and the responsibility that comes with taking up emotional space. At its core, the episode makes a bold case for therapy as the place where emotional ownership is learned, practiced, and integrated — not perfected, but strengthened over time.

Hot Take: Is Work to Live or Live to Work better? Neither mindset is inherently better — sustainable work–life balance matters more than choosing a side.Is it healthier to work so you can live, or live so you can work? In this episode, Roland and Hannah dig into one of the most debated questions in modern culture and unpack why the answer isn’t as simple as picking a philosophy.They explore how both mentalities offer structure, purpose, freedom, and fulfillment — but also come with real costs when taken to extremes. From hustle culture and productivity-as-worth to privilege, burnout, and nervous system overload, this conversation highlights how work shapes identity, values, and well-being far beyond a paycheck.Rather than framing the debate as either/or, the episode invites listeners to look inward: How does your body respond to your work life? What needs are being met — or ignored? And what would balance look like if it were defined by your values instead of cultural pressure?Because the goal isn’t choosing the “right” mentality — it’s building a life that actually feels livable.

Hot Take: Professions that routinely absorb secondary or vicarious trauma should require ongoing therapy or structured mental-health evaluations.In this episode, Roland and Hannah are joined by attorney Chip Clapp to unpack a provocative but necessary conversation about care, responsibility, and sustainability in trauma-exposed professions. From healthcare and law to therapy and emergency response, many roles require people to hold the emotional weight of others—often without adequate support.Together, they explore what vicarious trauma actually is, how it shows up over time, and why compartmentalization and “toughing it out” aren’t long-term solutions. The conversation moves beyond individual resilience to examine systemic responsibility: What does it mean to truly respect professions built on empathy? How do we balance personal accountability with accessible, ethical support structures? And what would prevention look like if we took emotional wear and tear as seriously as physical safety?This episode invites listeners—especially helpers, healers, and advocates—to rethink burnout, normalize care, and imagine a future where tending to mental health isn’t optional, but essential.

Spotlight Episode: Understanding overwhelm as a nervous system response, not a personal failure.What happens when being “high-functioning” doesn’t actually feel functional? In this spotlight episode, Hannah takes listeners inside The Overwhelmed Achiever — a framework for understanding people who appear capable, driven, and successful, yet feel chronically stressed, exhausted, or never quite enough.We explore how overwhelm often develops as an adaptive response to pressure, trauma, and a culture that rewards productivity over well-being. From imposter syndrome and burnout to perfectionism and high-functioning anxiety, this episode unpacks how achievement can quietly turn into survival — and what it looks like to interrupt that pattern with intention.This episode invites you to notice your body, question inherited definitions of success, and practice pausing without guilt.Because sometimes the most radical act for an achiever isn’t doing more — it’s deciding you’ve already done enough.

Hot Take: Many people who meet criteria for a mental health diagnosis aren’t “pathologically ill” — their bodies are responding appropriately to mis-attuned, oppressive, and unsafe systems.In this episode, Roland and Hannah are joined by Dr. Monica Band for a deeply nuanced conversation about mental health, diagnosis, and what we often miss when we pathologize human responses to cultural harm. Together, they explore the idea that anxiety, depression, dissociation, and burnout may not always be signs of something “wrong” with a person — but adaptive responses to environments that demand too much, offer too little, or fail to keep people safe.They unpack the role of diagnosis as both a tool and a limitation: how labels can bring clarity and access to care, while also reinforcing stigma, othering, and a false sense of defectiveness. The conversation challenges all-or-nothing thinking, social media over-diagnosing, and the pressure to be “normal,” while making space for resilience, post-traumatic growth, and community as medicine.This episode invites listeners to move away from self-blame and toward curiosity — asking not just what’s wrong with me? but what might my nervous system be responding to?Because sometimes healing isn’t about fixing yourself — it’s about changing the conditions around you.FIND DR. MONICA BAND HERE:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/monica-p-band-washington-dc/350458https://www.mindfulhealingcounseling.com/dr-monica-p-band

00:00- Opening00:12- Legal Disclosure00:42- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:53- Personal Intro (Roland)01:08- I Don't Need Therapy, I have Taylor Swift01:19- Hannah's Swiftie Song02:20- Hannah's Explanation04:09- Roland's Swiftie Song05:01- Roland's Explanation08:04- Hot Take Intro08:20- Spotlight! Playlist Protocol08:41- Playlist Protocol background09:18- What is it?10:03- Nostalgia is key10:57- More Personal & Provocative 11:31- Must be within therapy 12:41- Playlists around specificity to process13:07- Parts work?!14:00- Process & Heal14:14- Music is Therapeutic14:36- Neural Nostalgia15:06- Formative Years Roots15:31- Foundational & Step Process16:26- What's the science?16:39- Neuroscience- Music & Memory17:18- Songs can bypass the thinking brain17:48- EMDR / Brainspotting adjacent18:39- White Noise or Nature sounds adjacent19:34- Lyrics, Beat, Music All Matter21:04- Dissonance can be interpreted22:11- Memories AND Beat23:29- Playlists are common for people24:14- Music Reflects Feelings25:17- Relatable, Memory, or New26:11- Re-trauma or Re-trigger (Feedback Loop)27:25- Music as coping mechanism28:10- Relapse is easy30:06- Narrative Therapy & Music31:29- Re-tell their stories (physical writing)31:52- WET (Written Exposure Therapy)32:30- Re-telling the story where you are now33:09- Habit Stacking 34:35- Tailored to many approaches35:42- Where is the Playlist Protocol going?36:04- Book? Podcast? CEs? Coming Soon!37:28- Takeaways38:05- Be creative with music to reflect YOU38:33- Reflect on every playlist & what it's doing for you!38:41- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion39:14- Behind the Couch (Roland)39:35- Client accounts to help create Protocol39:59- 30 Day Song Challenges w/ Clients40:36- Themed Playlists for Reflection41:09- Inject some fun into therapy41:17- Behind the Couch (Hannah)41:30- Music as a coping skill41:43- Habit stacking with music 42:11- Insight to Client Emotions42:58- Mirroring43:18- Music puts words to emotion43:48- All things creative are perfect for therapy space44:41- Bilateral music playlists to calm down/settle in45:27- Under the Cushion (Roland)45:46- Music is always on46:03- All genres46:23- Driving & Music is cathartic46:51- Cultural Experiences w/ music47:06- Under the Cushion (Hannah)47:08- Music is everything47:26- Chaotic music playlists47:48- Words to emotions & normalize feelings48:03- Outro

Hot Take: Do better & get involved — advocacy is more accessible than you think when you know your values, strengths, and what you can offer.This week, Roland and Hannah sit down with lawyer and activist Emma Shahabi for a powerhouse conversation about what it really means to get involved in activism. Spoiler: it’s not about being perfect, politically fluent, or chronically online — it’s about knowing who you are, what you care about, and how your skills can support a movement.Emma breaks down the biggest myths and barriers that stop people from taking action, from the “I’m not political” mindset to the fear of messing up. Together, the trio explores how identity, privilege, and intersectionality shape our roles in advocacy, and why small, consistent actions can create just as much impact as large-scale organizing.Whether you’re a seasoned organizer or someone wondering where to start, this conversation reminds you that advocacy isn’t about doing everything — it’s about doing your thing, with intention, courage, and community.Here are some accounts that Emma referenced in the episode. You're encouraged to look into these accounts and find similar ones to efforts you believe in.@dear_white_staffers@btnewsroom@theslowfactory@pslnational@palestinianyouthmovement@intersectionalenvironmentalist

Hot Take: You have to love yourself before you can love someone else.It’s a phrase we’ve all heard — maybe even said — but what does it really mean to “love yourself first”? In this episode, Roland and Hannah break down the complexities behind one of self-help culture’s most repeated mantras.They explore the pressure this saying can create, especially when love isn’t linear, self-esteem fluctuates, and healing doesn’t have a clear endpoint. What if you’re capable of loving others deeply even while struggling to love yourself? Who decides when you’re “enough” to deserve love — and how do we redefine what that even means?Through real talk and reflection, the hosts dive into authenticity, boundaries, and what it looks like to care for yourself without falling into perfectionism or hyper-independence. From reframing self-love as a practice to finding joy in your own company, this episode invites listeners to replace judgment with gentleness — and remember that love, for self and others, is an ongoing process.

Hot Take: Self-disclosure is necessary and therapeutically beneficial in the therapy room.This week, Roland and Hannah are joined by psychologist Dr. Chloe Goldbach for a candid conversation on one of the most debated topics in the therapy world: therapist self-disclosure. Should clinicians be a “blank slate”? Or does sharing parts of ourselves actually make the therapeutic relationship stronger?Together, they explore how self-disclosure can foster trust, model vulnerability, and create more authentic connections — especially in communities where shared experience matters. From challenging the rigid “never self-disclose” lessons taught in grad school to unpacking how culture, identity, and power shape disclosure, this conversation blends clinical insight with real-world nuance.Dr. Goldbach brings a feminist therapy lens to the table, emphasizing how therapist humanity isn’t a flaw — it’s a strength. Whether you’re a clinician rethinking your stance or someone curious about what happens behind the therapy room door, this episode invites you to consider how showing up as yourself can be a radical act of care.https://lgbtcounselingdmv.com/dr-chlo%C3%AB-goldbach%2C-ph-dhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/chloe-goldbach-arlington-va/1317255https://www.youtube.com/c/TheChloeConnection (Also on IG!)https://www.amazon.com/Counseling-Gender-Expansive-World-Resources-Therapeutic-ebook/dp/B0BJ172NDN

Hot Take: Friendships in your 30s should be quality over quantity.As we move through our 30s, friendships start to look different. The spontaneous hangouts get fewer, the group chats get quieter, and suddenly “catching up soon” turns into “maybe next month.” In this episode, Roland and Hannah unpack what it really means to have quality friendships in adulthood — and why that phrase might be more complicated than we think.They explore how our energy, priorities, and sense of connection shift as we grow, and how that impacts the way we show up for one another. What happens when a friendship no longer fits? How do we navigate the grief of drifting apart while making space for new, more aligned connections? And what if it’s not really about choosing between quality or quantity — but about finding what’s fulfilling and sustainable for you?Through humor, honesty, and a few hard truths, this episode dives into the evolving meaning of friendship, the necessity of boundaries, and the power of building community that actually feels like home.Because friendship in your 30s isn’t about how many people you have — it’s about who helps you feel seen, supported, and safe to grow.

The Season Finale is here! This episode we explore perfectionism and the sneaky ways it shows up in our lives. Perfectionism is a personality trait characterized by a relentless pursuit of flawlessness and high standards. It can manifest as self-motivation and drive to achieve success, but often leads to anxiety & low self-worth when standards aren't met. Time to get to the bottom of the "good enough's" and kick obligation to curb 'cause imperfect is the new perfect.00:00- Opening00:13- Legal Disclosure00:41- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:53- Personal Intro (Roland)01:08- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift01:19- Roland's Swiftie Song01:53- Roland's Explanation02:33- Stay true to yourself!02:41- Hannah's Swiftie Song03:09- Hannah's Explanation03:25- Maladaptive Daydreaming05:03- Hot Take Intro05:10- Perfectionism!05:41- Definition of Perfectionism05:54- 3 Kinds of Perfectionism06:10- Self Oriented/Socially Prescribed/Other Oriented07:50- Nuance is helpful to differentiate08:17- Inability to release control08:56- Hannah's Hot Take09:30- Image we want, we project on others10:26- Society Gives Us Sense of Perfection11:45- Perfectionism is mix of Nature & Nurture12:38- What of the 3 Kind's Is Hannah's Hot Take?12:51- Socially Prescribed14:14- Roland's Hot Take15:45- Never-ending Feedback Loop16:02- Perfectionism Breeds Failure17:02- Imperfect is learning18:38- The HOW is important19:30- Perfectionism Erodes Society20:50- Checking & Re-Checking21:08- Chronic Procrastination22:40- Research Attacks the Pod23:18- Swap Perfect for Done23:59- Good Enough Reps26:07- Schedule Rest27:06- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion27:15- Behind the Couch (Roland)27:34- Dishes as a Good Enough Rep29:29- Goal of an Aha! Moment29:45- Using Obligation/Contract Verbiage to Challenge31:04- Take Back Control32:13- Behind the Couch (Hannah)32:25- Overwhelmed Achiever Overlap32:55- Empowerment & Reinvention34:21- Self-Imposed High35:04- Inner Child Work35:18- CBT37:06- Safe with Emotions38:35- Under the Cushion (Roland)38:45- Grades Were Important (GT/AP Kid)40:24- Challenged Perfectionism42:07- Would Not Classify Perfectionism Out loud42:50- We're Frenemies!42:55- Under the Cushion (Hannah)43:36- Grew Up Thinking of Failure43:58- Perfectionism & Imposter Syndrome44:33- Other Oriented46:08- Unfairness of Expectations48:18- Not Assigning the Emotional Piece50:28- Other Oriented Feels Helpless50:38- Outro*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICSENED PROFESSIONAL*

This Episode is certainly the fairest of them all! Hannah and Roland sit down to discuss Narcissism. Narcissism is commonly referred to as a personality trait characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. And, surprise! Hannah and Roland have the same Hot Take! Whether it's identifying the gaslighting, demystifying the buzzwords, or beating a tiktoker over the head with the DSM, put down the poison apple and pay attention. Call it vain, maybe even call it arrogant, but we KNOW you'll want to hear this.00:00- Opening00:17- Legal Disclosure00:47- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:58- Personal Intro (Roland)01:13- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift01:23- Roland's Swiftie Song01:37- Roland's Explanation02:45- Verbiage is Important; no wasted time04:28- Compartmentalization04:44- Hannah's Swiftie Song05:32- Hannah's Explanation06:08- Working through monotony07:13- Hopeful in the Mud07:16- Hot Take Intro07:23- Narcissism07:31- Trigger Warning08:35- Narcissist Label Can Only Be Used by Mental Health Professional10:00- Hannah & Roland Have the same Hot Take!10:36- No Normalizing Narcissism12:21- Narcissism is not a giant spectrum12:54- Narcissistic Personality Disorder/DSM Diagnosis14:13- Frequency is Important to Notice15:01- Selfishness/Arrogance is Conflated to Narcissism15:45- Grandiosity is the keyword16:40- Narcissism Buzzwords17:54- Maladaptive, not just attention seeking19:29- Need to be seen vs. Who Should See Me?20:51- Manipulation21:05- Gaslighting23:29- Gaslighting is always pointed24:57- Psychological Dominance26:38- Again, NPD Only Be Used By Mental Health Professionals!27:26- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion27:31- Behind the Couch (Hannah)28:30- Psychoeducation Soapbox; Add Tendencies After30:03- Compassion & Empathy31:05- Recovery from Narcissistic Abuse32:45- Behind the Couch (Roland)33:15- Comorbidities & Differentials34:04- Covert NPD or BPD?!35:18- Therapy Wise- Confrontation is good37:24- Under the Cushion (Hannah)38:01- Gray Rocking39:57- Better to Regulate Self than Fuel Fire40:13- Under the Cushion (Roland)40:26- Quiet Undertaking41:24- Remove Self Before Falling Prey42:40- Code Speech43:35- Duty to Report Only Caveat43:51- Outro**This podcast does not serve as Mental Health Therapy with a Licensed Professional. This podcast is for educational purposes only. If topics from the podcast resonate with you, we recommend consulting a mental health provider for tailored support.

Join Hannah and Roland—along with special guest Megan Anderson—as they explore the world and uncover the mental health benefits of travel. From reigniting creativity to finding your environmental reset, discover how immersion sparks personal growth. This journey is packed with insights. Buckle up—new horizons await, and you won’t want to miss it.00:00- Opening00:14- Legal Disclosure00:43- I Don't Need Therapy, I have Taylor Swift00:53- Roland's Swiftie Song01:27- Roland's Explanation03:14- Hannah's Swiftie Song03:35- Hannah's Explanation07:10- Uh-oh, Reality Therapy Roland Showed Up10:08- Hot Take Intro10:15- Travel & Mental Health!10:28- Guest Megan Anderson Speaks!11:13- Travel is Self Care & Prevents Burnout12:19- 45 COUNTRIES?! 5 CONTINENTS?!16:18- Megan's Hot Take16:55- Travel is a Source to Reignite Creativity18:45- Travel is a Step Back & Peace20:08- Roland's Hot Take20:45- Environmental Reset is Important to Re-Center22:44- Megan's Travel Story23:43- Megan's Travel Quote25:45- Travel Became Growth25:58- Hannah's Hot Take28:40- Being Immersed is Key29:35- Uncomfortable with the Comfortable30:25- Similarly on Smaller Scales is ALSO important33:21- Being Present & Safe36:15- Intention is the Anchor40:20- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion40:28- Behind the Couch (Roland)42:33- Ask Where Client's Have Always Wanted to Go?43:33- Always Ask Within Means44:19- Behind the Couch (Hannah)45:19- Discuss skills alongside travel stories47:18- Values & Problem Solving & Curiosity49:45- Under the Cushion (Roland)50:28- First Vacation Ever? 17 yrs old!52:08- True Experience of Travel (Mind Blowing)53:06- Creative Reset & Gob smacked Feeling53:51- Under the Cushion (Hannah)54:00- 2 years old was first flight~54:30- Mystery Rides!56:29- Spring Breaks All Over58:44- Broaden Tools through other cultures01:01:47- Outro

I swear he's all panic, and definitely no disco. Get your straighteners, cheap CVS black hair dye, and be ready for Warped Tour. Roland Scheppske is bringing the heat this week on You Seem Fine Podcast with his turn in the hot seat. You may need to flip your bangs some or let out a scream while Roland talks about grief in day-to-day life, or the idea of a more holistic approach to mental health that he dubs as full body. In fact, be ready for a full rant on what this would look like if all medical, mental, and health professions just shared a little more knowledge with one another.00:00- Opening00:18- Legal Disclosure00:47- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift00:58- Hannah's Swiftie Song01:20- Hannah's Explanation03:35- Roland's Swiftie Song03:57- Roland's Explanation05:50- Hot Seat Intro06:12- What's New?!06:28- First Acceptance Speech!07:11- New Weekly Blog!08:00- Practice Update09:20- Counselor, how? When?09:45- PTSD Veterans10:55- Art School instead?!12:12- Hannah & Roland have history~14:15- Hardest thing learned as a therapist17:20- Comradery in Dual Relationships w/ Boundaries19:45- Boundaries & Ethics22:00- No Compromise; Be open & talk23:00- Roland as a Client24:10- Nurture can be Damaging25:35- Vulnerability29:00- Hot Take #129:28- Grief is any loss30:12- Grief is Complex32:45- Small Griefs are Impactful35:40- Acknowledgement & Acceptance 37:35- Hot Take #239:00- Full Body Experience39:40- Mainstream & Cross Specialties 42:00- Herbalism, Massage, Acupuncture44:10- Limited Knowledge48:15- Medical Community & Resources49:12- Changes in School Curriculum 53:26- Changes in best practice53:50- INNER CHILD?! HANNAH WHY!?55:39- The Body here in the present is most important58:38- Outro

Imposter Syndrome? You mean that thing that everyone experiences where we think we're not good enough? Where we think we aren't doing the things we're supposed to be doing despite evidence to the contrary? You mean a Millennials biggest enemy? Yes, that Imposter Syndrome. Or, in other words, the persistent inability to believe that one's success is deserved or has been legitimately achieved as a result of one's own efforts or skills. Join Hannah and Roland alongside today's special guest, Sydney Smedley, LPC as they discuss the in's and out's of what it's like to battle against OR use to your advantage all parts of the imposter.

Carmen Sandiego, who? She's got nothing on Hannah Shahabi and all the stamps in her passport! The podcast turns up the heat and has our resident messy millennial in the hot seat not only to get some further insight in who she is and how she got here, but also some deeper and more personal hot takes that aren't part of our regularly scheduled program. Whether it's Hannah's niche love of working with the Overwhelmed Achiever, her take on Emotional Intelligence vs. Maturity, or perhaps one you all can imagine make's Roland bounce in his seat a little: the chronic nature of societal trauma---it's time to TRULY get to know Hannah Shahabi, LPC.

In the immortal, yet possibly problematic, words of Kate Moss, "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels". Diet culture, what healthy means, and the perception & need to be skinny by any means necessary has been a trope and trend for decades. This week, Hannah and Roland discuss the mental health around diet culture alongside Metabolic Health & Fitness Coach Taylor Trost (@fitnfoodwithtaylor on Instagram). Particularly, they discuss the uprising trend of Semaglutides, commonly known as Ozempic, what it does to the body, the brain, and some controversial research going on in the field of physical & mental health. What's the good, the bad, and the ugly of it all? Well they're here to give you the skinny on it.TW: This Episode discusses eating disorders, ozempic trends, and emotional health related topics.00:00- Opening00:12- Legal Disclosure00:42- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:53- Personal Intro (Roland)01:08- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift01:20- Hannah's Swiftie Song02:35- Hannah's Explanation05:08- Roland's Swiftie Song05:40- Roland's Explanation07:27- Hot Take Intro07:33- Diet Culture07:46- Taylor's Intro08:48- Taylor's Hot Take09:06- Diet Trends10:40- What is Ozempic?11:53- Side Effects13:25- Coaching & Ozempic15:05- A Plan in Place17:05- Hannah's Hot Take18:24- Perpetuating "Skinny Girl" Trope19:34- Redefining Health20:15- Eating Disorders24:10- Self Worth & Value24:38- Roland's Hot Take26:05- Semaglutide & Depression29:13- Obesity is now a Disease?!33:10- Where to find Taylor!?34:07- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion34:15- Behind the Couch (Roland)35:15- Physical + Mental + Emotional36:25- Voice & Verbiage38:00- Comfortability in PME38:20- Behind the Couch (Hannah)39:00- Disordered Eating vs Eating Disorders40:00- Meaning Making & Redefinition41:10- Desperation for Change41:55- Autonomy & Age & Control42:40- Under the Cushion (Roland)43:11- Control of Self vs Control of World43:40- "Pride" in Skinny44:26- Remembering to Enjoy Things45:11- Under the Cushion (Hannah)45:53- "Earning" Junk Food46:18- Clean Plate Mentality47:23- Mindful Eating48:08- Autoimmune Disease49:32- Doctors/Medical Shame53:48- Mindfulness & Health55:24- Outro*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICSENED PROFESSIONAL*

Hey baby, what's your sign? Hannah and Roland look to the stars this week in order to discuss just how deeply a horoscope can mean not only to them, but to anyone interested as well. Horoscopes have been around for a millennia, first appearing in the Mediterranean region sometime around the late 2nd or 1st century BCE. The word "horoscope" comes from the Greek words "horos", meaning "hour", and "skopos", meaning "observer". Join Hannah and Roland as they discuss horoscopes relation to religion, how in depth your horoscope & birth chart can really go, its place, if any, in the therapeutic process, and if these two Scorpio's truly do sting. *THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICSENED PROFESSIONAL*

This week, Hannah and Roland have their first guest on the podcast! Lily Shahabi, a consultant based in Boston, and Hannah's sister! Lily has struggled with this week's subject, joins to uniquely discuss how she handles life with High Functioning Anxiety. High-functioning anxiety refers to individuals who experience anxiety symptoms while maintaining a high level of functionality in various aspects of their lives. They may appear successful and put-together externally, but internally struggle with feelings of stress, self-doubt, and fear. Quite frankly, that sounds like your average millennial if you ask us...TW: Discussion on Eating Disorders, Disordered Eating, Ozempic Trends, and Health related topics.00:00- Opening00:12- Legal Disclosure00:42- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:53- Personal Intro (Roland)01:08- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift01:20- Hannah's Swiftie Song02:35- Hannah's Explanation05:08- Roland's Swiftie Song05:40- Roland's Explanation07:27- Hot Take Intro07:33- Diet Culture07:46- Taylor's Intro08:48- Taylor's Hot Take09:06- Diet Trends10:40- What is Ozempic?11:53- Side Effects13:25- Coaching & Ozempic15:05- A Plan in Place17:05- Hannah's Hot Take18:24- Perpetuating "Skinny Girl" Trope19:34- Redefining Health20:15- Eating Disorders24:10- Self Worth & Value24:38- Roland's Hot Take26:05- Semaglutide & Depression29:13- Obesity is now a Disease?!33:10- Where to find Taylor!?34:07- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion34:15- Behind the Couch (Roland)35:15- Physical + Mental + Emotional36:25- Voice & Verbiage38:00- Comfortability in PME38:20- Behind the Couch (Hannah)39:00- Disordered Eating vs Eating Disorders40:00- Meaning Making & Redefinition41:10- Desperation for Change41:55- Autonomy & Age & Control42:40- Under the Cushion (Roland)43:11- Control of Self vs Control of World43:40- "Pride" in Skinny44:26- Remembering to Enjoy Things45:11- Under the Cushion (Hannah)45:53- "Earning" Junk Food46:18- Clean Plate Mentality47:23- Mindful Eating48:08- Autoimmune Disease49:32- Doctors/Medical Shame53:48- Mindfulness & Health55:24- Outro*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICSENED PROFESSIONAL*

Season 2?! Already? Join Hannah and Roland as they kick off the start of season two as they revisit the podcasts namesake--Fine. Discussing the origins of the word Fine as well as how the meaning of the word has changed and been reinvented over time, Hannah and Roland discuss how they each use the word themselves and how they see others, particularly their clients, fall into the trap and mundane use of the word. Whether you feel f*cked up, insecure, neurotic, or emotional, tune in as two millennial licensed professional counselors try and see if they can't reinvent the word yet again. Welcome back!Hannah Shahabi, LPC and Roland Scheppske, LPC are two millennial therapists living in the DMV area. Hannah and Roland continue to develop hot take after hot take on a wide array of therapy topics, buzzword media phenomena, and pop culture. It's these discussions that help fuel their millennial hearts and spun this podcast into a continued existential crisis of a reality. Very on brand, right? With the fun spin these life experiences give to their hot takes, both Hannah and Roland continue to express their thoughts and want to appeal to others, who often find themselves in a “I’m fine, this is fine” mentality. It is forever their goal for listeners to be inspired to seek out and achieve betterment in their own therapy journey.*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICSENED PROFESSIONAL*

Hannah Shahabi, LPC and Roland Scheppske, LPC are two millennial therapists living in the DMV area. Hannah and Roland have often found themselves having lengthy conversations with one another and developing hot takes about different therapy topics. It was in these discussions that the two of them realized a lot of ways that they mentally envisioned these aspects, were through the specific lens of a millennial (i.e. those born between the years of 1981-1996). With the fun spin these life experiences give to their hot takes, both Hannah and Roland decided that being able to express these thoughts and appeal to others, who often find themselves in a “I’m fine, this is fine” mentality, would not only be fun, but also beneficial. Specifically, for listeners to be inspired to seek out and achieve betterment in their own therapy journey. *THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICSENED PROFESSIONAL*00:00- Opening00:17- Legal Disclosure00:46- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:58- Personal Intro (Roland)01:12- I Don't Need Therapy, I have Taylor Swift01:23- Hannah's Swiftie Song01:58- Roland's Swiftie Song03:01- Hannah's Explanation05:03- Roland's Explanation06:29- Hot Take Intro06:35- Toxic Positivity Definitions10:05- Positivity Practice is a Mindset11:30- Zoom In & Out Example12:34- Toxic Behaviors & Awareness13:01- Nuanced Awareness17:01- Societal Influence18:49- Emotional Intelligence & Maturity20:32- Hannah's Personal Experience21:30- Roland's Personal Experience23:12- Intentionality24:51- CBT Mirror's25:38- CBT Examples26:55- Differences28:00- Toxic Positivity with Self29:49- Healthy Positivity32:17- Takeaways35:22- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion35:35- Behind the Couch (Hannah)37:25- Behind the Couch (Roland)39:44- Under the Cushion (Hannah)43:02- Under the Cushion (Roland)50:50- "Okay please hold while I...."50:52- Outro

Hannah Shahabi, LPC and Roland Scheppske, LPC are two millennial therapists living in the DMV area. Hannah and Roland have often found themselves having lengthy conversations with one another and developing hot takes about different therapy topics. It was in these discussions that the two of them realized a lot of ways that they mentally envisioned these aspects, were through the specific lens of a millennial (i.e. those born between the years of 1981-1996). With the fun spin these life experiences give to their hot takes, both Hannah and Roland decided that being able to express these thoughts and appeal to others, who often find themselves in a “I’m fine, this is fine” mentality, would not only be fun, but also beneficial. Specifically, for listeners to be inspired to seek out and achieve betterment in their own therapy journey. *THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL*00:00- Opening00:11- Legal Disclosure00:41- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:53- Personal Intro (Roland)01:09- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift01:19- Roland's Swiftie Song02:37- Hannah's Swiftie Song08:25- Chatter?? (Might be okay though)08:38- Hot Take Intro08:44- The Black Sheep09:05- Internal Family Systems Approach10:32- Examples of Parts12:23- IFS Work Example13:50- Family Roles vs Parts14:33- Black Sheep vs Cycle Breaker15:20- Hannah's Hot Take15:42- Roland's Hot Take18:23- Hannah's Sub-Hot Take18:41- Black Sheep Potential20:27- Black Sheep + Empowerment = Cycle Breaker22:48- Black Sheep, Woe as me?23:30- Cycle Breaker is Active, Black Sheep is Passive24:32- "Not Everyone is a Cycle Breaker"25:32- Battle between Self & Inner Child26:25- Manager & Firefighter27:30- Nuance of the Black Sheep27:43- The Difficult Child28:42- Takeaways29:39- Therapy is important!30:36- Not just family (Society/Work/Etc.)32:04- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion32:12- Behind the Couch (Hannah)38:39- Behind the Couch (Roland)43:14- Under the Cushion (Hannah)47:10- Under the Cushion (Roland)52:03- Outro

Hannah Shahabi, LPC and Roland Scheppske, LPC are two millennial therapists living in the DMV area. Hannah and Roland have often found themselves having lengthy conversations with one another and developing hot takes about different therapy topics. It was in these discussions that the two of them realized a lot of ways that they mentally envisioned these aspects, were through the specific lens of a millennial (i.e. those born between the years of 1981-1996). With the fun spin these life experiences give to their hot takes, both Hannah and Roland decided that being able to express these thoughts and appeal to others, who often find themselves in a “I’m fine, this is fine” mentality, would not only be fun, but also beneficial. Specifically, for listeners to be inspired to seek out and achieve betterment in their own therapy journey. *THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL*00:00- Opening00:11- Legal Disclosure00:41- Hannah Intro00:53- Roland Intro01:09- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift02:03- Roland's Swiftie Song03:30- Hannah's Swiftie Song04:46- Hot Take Intro04:52- Selfish, Self Care, Self Indulgence05:46- Self Care Definition06:03- Selfish Definition 06:23- Self Indulgence Definition06:36- F@ck, Marry, Kill07:33- Roland's Soap Box08:22- Roland's Explanation09:26- Self Care vs Selfish10:16- Example of Selfish12:17- Better Example of Selfish13:20- Hannah's Explanation 14:17- Self Care = Fulfillment14:55- Societal Constructs of Selfishness15:52- Further examples by Hannah16:24- Further examples of Self Care vs Selfish20:37- Selfishness is a Complex Theory21:40- Self Indulgence22:32- Self Care can be Self Indulgence 23:11- LIBRA OR GEMINI?! 23:34- Hannah's Self Indulgence24:56- Selfish vs Self Indulgence25:35- Roland's Soap Box part deux 26:20- Hot Takes29:00- Part 2 Preview29:09- Hannah & Roland's F@ck, Marry, Kill Order29:32- Hannah's Order30:32- Roland's Order31:30- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion31:46- Behind the Couch (Roland)33:51- Behind the Couch (Hannah)39:57- Under the Cushion (Hannah)41:09- Under the Cushion (Roland)42:20- Outro

Hannah Shahabi, LPC and Roland Scheppske, LPC are two millennial therapists living in the DMV area. Hannah and Roland have often found themselves having lengthy conversations with one another and developing hot takes about different therapy topics. It was in these discussions that the two of them realized a lot of ways that they mentally envisioned these aspects, were through the specific lens of a millennial (i.e. those born between the years of 1981-1996). With the fun spin these life experiences give to their hot takes, both Hannah and Roland decided that being able to express these thoughts and appeal to others, who often find themselves in a “I’m fine, this is fine” mentality, would not only be fun, but also beneficial. Specifically, for listeners to be inspired to seek out and achieve betterment in their own therapy journey. 00:00- Opening00:11- Legal Disclosure00:41- Hannah Intro00:53- Roland Intro01:09- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift02:03- Roland's Swiftie Song03:30- Hannah's Swiftie Song04:46- Hot Take Intro04:52- Selfish, Self Care, Self Indulgence05:46- Self Care Definition06:03- Selfish Definition 06:23- Self Indulgence Definition06:36- F@ck, Marry, Kill07:33- Roland's Soap Box08:22- Roland's Explanation09:26- Self Care vs Selfish10:16- Example of Selfish12:17- Better Example of Selfish13:20- Hannah's Explanation 14:17- Self Care = Fulfillment14:55- Societal Constructs of Selfishness15:52- Further examples by Hannah16:24- Further examples of Self Care vs Selfish20:37- Selfishness is a Complex Theory21:40- Self Indulgence22:32- Self Care can be Self Indulgence 23:11- LIBRA OR GEMINI?! 23:34- Hannah's Self Indulgence24:56- Selfish vs Self Indulgence25:35- Roland's Soap Box part deux 26:20- Hot Takes29:00- Part 2 Preview29:09- Hannah & Roland's F@ck, Marry, Kill Order29:32- Hannah's Order30:32- Roland's Order31:30- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion31:46- Behind the Couch (Roland)33:51- Behind the Couch (Hannah)39:57- Under the Cushion (Hannah)41:09- Under the Cushion (Roland)42:20- Outro*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL*

Hannah Shahabi, LPC and Roland Scheppske, LPC are two millennial therapists living in the DMV area. Hannah and Roland have often found themselves having lengthy conversations with one another and developing hot takes about different therapy topics. It was in these discussions that the two of them realized a lot of ways that they mentally envisioned these aspects, were through the specific lens of a millennial (i.e. those born between the years of 1981-1996). With the fun spin these life experiences give to their hot takes, both Hannah and Roland decided that being able to express these thoughts and appeal to others, who often find themselves in a “I’m fine, this is fine” mentality, would not only be fun, but also beneficial. Specifically, for listeners to be inspired to seek out and achieve betterment in their own therapy journey. 00:00- Opening00:15- Legal Disclosure00:45- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:56- Personal Intro (Roland)01:11- I Don't Need Therapy, I have Taylor Swift01:22- Roland's Swiftie Song03:07- Hannah's Swiftie Song06:41- Hot Take Intro06:46- Boundaries07:43- Taught Expectance/No need for boundaries08:19- When did boundaries become boundaries?09:20- Kinds of boundaries10:20- Boundaries to self11:28- Buzzwords11:48- Boundaries are for yourself12:52- Rules vs Boundaries13:49- Free or Available14:05- Example of our boundaries15:10- Boundaries we don't like15:52- Example of our boundaries16:43- Discussing needs within boundaries18:08- Open/Concrete boundaries19:30- Stealth expectations within boundaries19:59- Not wanting to see boundaries20:55- Meet in the middle/compromise boundaries21:47- Weird cut, maybe?21:48- Boundary Follow Up & Fleshing out24:20- Level of self awareness within boundaries25:25- Tells of inner experience27:02- Self Discovery within Boundaries27:59- Keeping/Disregarding People & Boundaries28:16- Process of discussing boundaries31:34- Comparison of Hot Takes & Boundaries32:41- Enmeshed boundaries 33:58- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion34:06- Behind the Couch (Hannah)39:54- Under the Cushion (Hannah)41:41- Behind the Couch (Roland)43:29- Under the Cushion (Roland)44:13- Outro

Hannah Shahabi, LPC and Roland Scheppske, LPC are two millennial therapists living in Virginia. Hannah and Roland have often found themselves having lengthy conversations with one another and developing hot takes about different therapy topics. It was in these discussions that the two of them realized a lot of ways that they mentally envisioned these aspects, were through the specific lens of a millennial (i.e. those born between the years of 1981-1996). With the fun spin these life experiences give to their hot takes, both Hannah and Roland decided that being able to express these thoughts and appeal to others, who often find themselves in a “I’m fine, this is fine” mentality, would not only be fun, but also beneficial. Specifically, for listeners to be inspired to seek out and achieve betterment in their own therapy journey.00:00- Opening00:17- Legal disclosure00:46- Personal Intro (Hannah)00:58- Personal Intro (Roland)01:13- I Don't Need Therapy, I Have Taylor Swift01:25- Roland's Swiftie Song04:33- Hannah's Swiftie Song08:10- "Alright we're recording"08:10- Hot Take: Stealth Expectations09:19- Hannah's version of Stealth Expectations10:45- Roland's version of Stealth Expectations12:28- Stealth Expectations vs High Expectations13:53- Thought errors/Thought Distortions vs Expectations14:32- Self vs Societal Born Expectations16:49- Are expectations even necessary?17:33- Linear healing18:31- Why do we have expectations?20:07- Goals vs Expectations vs Obligations26:00- Unsaid Expectations27:46- Where are unmet expectations felt?28:50- Mirroring Conditional Love30:25- Meeting needs31:08- Comparing hot takes36:01- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion37:40- Behind the Couch & Under the Cushion explanation38:07- Behind the Couch (Roland)40:54 -Behind the Couch (Hannah)45:31 -Under the Cushion (Roland)49:52 -Under the Cushion (Hannah)55:22-Outro clip*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL.*

Hannah Shahabi, LPC and Roland Scheppske, LPC are two millennial therapists living in Virginia. Hannah and Roland have often found themselves having lengthy conversations with one another and developing hot takes about different therapy topics. It was in these discussions that the two of them realized a lot of ways that they mentally envisioned these aspects, were through the specific lens of a millennial (i.e. those born between the years of 1981-1996).00:00- Opening00:18- Personal Intros (Hannah)00:27- Personal Intros (Roland)00:42- Legal disclosure01:11- YSF origin (Hannah & Roland)06:03- How Hannah & Roland met06:58- Process of becoming a therapist07:28- Surviving grad school08:21- YSF origin continued 09:29- Taylor Swift teaser/structure11:00- Taylor Swift continued13:16- Podcast setup/structure14:49- Outro*THIS PODCAST IS NOT A SUPPLEMENT OR REPLACEMENT FOR THERAPY CONDUCTED WITH A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL.*