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dialoguing
by Kaitlyn T.
Welcome to dialoguing, a companion podcast to the newsletter of the same name on Substack, where an off-duty therapist speaks with her very much not a therapist husband as if there weren’t mics in front of their faces. Join us as we explore modern day mental health, marital and every day struggles, triumphs and everything in-between. Each episode dives deep into whatever is on our minds. Sometimes that is the newsletter and sometimes it’s burning questions from life. Whether you're a newbie to therapeutic concepts and vulnerability looking to better understand emotional intimacy, mental health, or relationships or you’re a therapist yourself this podcast can be a soft, less clinical landing to just talk about life and our feelings about it. Catch us, dialoguing every other Fridayish.photo cred: Rotarski Photography dialoguing.substack.com
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a sleep study?!?!
In this episode of dialoguing, Kaitlyn and her husband talk about the new season of Love is Blind: DC, the mystery of why we mindlessly do things in our leisure time as if they are obligations, the ways in which we pretend, and the magical nature of the Molly’s in our lives. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Time Stamps: (00:00-2:00) intro; (2:01-19:44) Love is Blind: DC chat; (19:45-25:20) meeting each other’s parents; (25:21-33:36) bed wars; (33:37-41:15) podcast shame spirals; (41:16-53:14) pretending; (53:15-55:48) bones + Yoto; (55:49-58:51) Birth story; (58:52-1:02:47) Molly; (1:02:48-1:08:47) postpartum; (1:08:48-end) outroRecent Newsletters: Nobody Wants This Recap #1 and #2, The Thing(s) I've Pretended to Love, and "Is this really happening?" (a birth story) Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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sometimes there is a unicorn
In this episode of dialoguing, Kaitlyn and her husband talk about the hiatus from this very podcast, just saying what you’re feeling, maths, Detroit sports, and we give each other the “ick.” We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well! Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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that's not really working right now...
In this episode of dialoguing, Kaitlyn and her husband talk about complaining, Ghostbusters and business (trust me, this will make sense), grief around summer, and our relationship to rest.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well! Show Notes:* Newsletters: "I didn't realize you were just having fun." & (shocker) trying too damn hard and too damn much backfired.* Article on being an island or a wave in attachment. * Tricia Hersey’s book, Rest Is Resistance: A Manifesto and interview on NPR Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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no snakes on this plane, no babies on this plane
In this episode of dialoguing, Kaitlyn and her husband talk about the dance of spending time together versus apart in a relationship and how this can relate to long held fears of separation, parental guilt, their differences in chatting with strangers, and Kaitlyn pitches a potentially million dollar idea all within the backdrop of J trying to sell stuff on Facebook Marketplace. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Show Notes:* Newsletters: an invitation to get back to basics this summer ☀️ & The Emotional Symphony of Letting Myself Down Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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these thoughts don't have to make sense
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing, and her husband work through in real time an annoyed and overwhelmed part of Kaitlyn, a little inside baseball on the intro of the podcast and it’s name*, relationship to dancing, J’s very specific pet peeve, and fountain drink refill etiquette.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!*You may have noticed we changed the name to match the newsletter’s moniker. As you’ll hear in the episode, there was some unease around referencing a bar as Kaitlyn is sober, as are many of her readers —and—also it’s a mouth full. Embracing simplicity and the sentiment that it’s never too late to make a change. Show Notes—* 2 Newsletters: What Are We Even Doing Here If We Aren’t Dancing? & I'm OK Being Known in Motherhood as a Lot of Things, but Don't Call Me Selfless Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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the best tears
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband, J, who actually prepared for today, discuss the last two newsletters, their relationship to crying, J shares a theory about why he was hit on at a concert, and if you stick around until the end you can hear Kaitlyn get super defensive. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Show Notes—* 2 Newsletters: saying the most (roundup) and This Must Be the Place (home + Chicago) * We both refer to things being “gendered” in this episode, but didn’t clarify what we mean by that. We mean socialization not that any traits or behaviors are inherent to any gender identity. Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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yowza, bowza
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband discuss a horrifying discovery in their home this week and how it was handled, TSA issues, the concept of “home” and Kaitlyn effectively picks on J the whole episode. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Show Notes:* dialoguing newsletters: The One "No" That Made Space for Hundreds of Yeses (and counting) and Can We Never Really Go Home Again?* As I mentioned in the pod, Amara Amaryah’s perfectly titled The infantilization of kind people is a beautiful exploration of how we treat kind people.* Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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Taylor Swift is the Detroit Lions as the Detroit Lions are Taylor Swift
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband explore personal fears underlying social anxiety, how they can form, and possible evolutionary influences. They also revisit a defensive interaction and the complexity of wanting your partner to go to the therapy. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Show Notes:Despite the premise of the show, we reflect on very few newsletters this time, but here are some that have come out since the last podcast was released, as well as one* that is relevant to our conversation around social anxiety.* 96 Thoughts This Therapist Had While Listening to THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT for the First Time* What Others Couldn’t See May Have Been The Truest Thing About Me* The Single Most Important Thing I Do For My Mental Health* What If We Just Did What We Could?* What If It's Actually Secure to Say You Feel Insecure?* Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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gravy, baby
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband discuss what they’ve been watching, what’s to come on the newsletter. Can’t believe I’m saying this but we also talk about birds…against Kaitlyn’s will. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Show Notes:* Last Two Newsletters: Say more (again) & Odds and Ends for an Odd Numbered Anni Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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walk the talk, or something like that
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband actually talk about the last 2 newsletters. A rarity. We talk about When/Then thinking, admitting when you feel shaky and the consequences of failing to do so, and are we calling people “lady” now? We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Content warning: Discussions around parenting and explicit language.Show Notes:* Last Two Newsletters: What Spring Cleaning Could Tell You About Yourself and What If It's Actually Secure to Say You Don't Feel Secure* Theraplay Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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neither of us are right
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband tangent all over the place— we discuss our history with arguing and how our staycation with just the two of us brought back the early relationship vibes. Some bonus, very satisfying ASMR action.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Content warning: Discussions around parenting and explicit language.Show Notes:* Last 2 Newsletters: Are We All Arguing in Front of Our Kids, Or Is That Just Us? and Did You Know Most Messes Can Be Cleaned Up?* ASMR Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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BONUS: Love is Blind Breakdown and Breakthrough
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband explore this season of Love is Blind. He wants to argue about the merits of the show, I want to talk about themes and nuance. It’s a battle. Ultimately, we find some common ground on widely held misconceptions about love.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Discussions around body image, infidelity and explicit language. We warn of this in the episode, too, but there are lots of spoilers. Show Notes:* Derek Walcott’s poem Love after Love excerpted in You're Are the One You've Been Waiting For Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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post travel weirdness
Content warning: Discussions around suicidal ideation (4-11:40min), parenting, and explicit language.In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband just barely dive into the last few newsletters, as per usual, explore what Internal Family Systems (IFS) has to say about suicidal ideation, they repair in real time a recent misattunement, discuss codependency, and a bonus Archie interview at the end #thisgirlisonfire. IYKYK. It felt like we talked about nothing, but then as I compiled the show notes, I realized this episode is stacked AF.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Are you in a crisis? Dial 911 or you can call or text the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline at “988”. There is also a chat option on their website. The service is available to anyone 24/7 and all calls are confidential. People are there and ready to listen Show Notes:* 24/7 Suicide and Crisis Hotline website* CDC Suicide Rates by Industry and Occupation* IFS and suicidality* The Gottman Institute: Rituals of Connection* The Gottman Institute: Love Mapping* Circle of Security and Attachment* Flightless Bird: Costco * Nobody's Listening, Right?* The 3 most recent newsletters we barely touch on: When You Don't Feel Belonging Where You Belong, INTRODUCING: Say more... and Lopsided Love Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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foolish o'clock
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband just barely dive into the last two newsletters, follow up on whether or not the coffee bar solved all of J’s issues & then dialogue about the current seasons of Love is Blind, a minor pedestrian accident they got in, and their first date.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Mentions of parenting and sexual and explicit language & Love is Blind spoilies.Show notes:* Rich Text episode on first drop of Love is Blind episodes* Mating in Captivity by Esther Perel Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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sleepy gal
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband dive into the last two newsletters*, thoughts on SNL, being boring, how our differences in wanting impacts our communication, we plan J’s third act and he takes a pop quiz. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Mentions of parenting and explicit language.Show notes:* * Newsletters: “Of Course Not Everyone Needs Therapy, But What If They Want It?” and “Lessons in Wanting” * Marry Me, Archie by Alvvays* Care Package Playlist* Big Magic by Elizabeth Gilbert Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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pancake restaurant
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband dive into the this week’s newsletter about hopelessness, exploring the distinction between fixing and the concept of being with/understanding ourselves, and Lion’s Corner 🦁.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Mentions of parenting, childbirth, passive suicidal ideation, hopelessness, body image and explicit language.Show notes:* Types of Hopelessness article* “No, Not Everyone Needs Therapy” newsletter Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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skunks 🦨
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband dive into the last week’s newsletter, what they learned in 2023, relational defensiveness, and spelling anxiety. And most importantly, a long-awaited return Lion’s Corner 🦁.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting and childbirth, explicit language.Show notes:* Survey says? What do you hear on last week’s pod at 8:40?* Running on Empty by Dr. Jonice Webb—Book on emotional neglect* Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg* Dopamine newsletterknow someone who’d love this marital nonsense? Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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six of one, half a dozen of the other
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband dive into the last 2 weeks of newsletters (1, 2) talking about their favorite books, TV shows, movies of 2023 and how the fam navigated the holidays, as well as a bunch of questions about life (e.g., Why is football the way it is? What is a hall pass, anyway?).We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: This is a parenting heavy one, and as always, explicit language.Show notes:* Erikson’s Stages of Psychosocial Stages* Youtube Short (mentioned at 22:30) Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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cannonball
No new episode this week. Just 5 minutes of us trying to record. See you next week! Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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I jump on you?
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband dive into this week’s newsletter about the problem(s) with New Year’s resolutions, a thorough recounting of his vasectomy, and Kaitlyn’s “feral” relationship to gifts. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here. Feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting, body talk and body image, medical/anatomy speak (vasectomy details are from 25-45:20), and, as always, explicit language.Resources mentioned: Unravel Your Year—Workbook for reflecting on 2023 and looking toward 2024. Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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vastly deferent
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband dive into this week’s newsletter about body neutrality, talking about bodies within a relationship, impending vasectomy anxieties, and if we should let our 4 year old watch Home Alone this year? We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting, relational abuse, body talk and body image, medical/anatomy speak, and, as always, explicit language.Know someone who wants to hear about 10 minutes of vasectomy-related anxiety, toss this their way. Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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the derailer
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband dive into this week’s newsletter, revisiting the Twin Flames Universe conversation from last week, why J’s never gotten a massage and doesn’t have the faintest clue of how it works, and parking lot etiquette.Note: Minor audio issues from 27-30 minute mark. We had some help this time (Thank you, Ryan!!) to minimize it and found the culprit so this will hopefully be the last time I have to say this 🤞 but very minimal this time. Should be able to blaze right through. The newsletter mentioned about Twin Flames is from Mad Woman, written by Amanda Montei here on Substack. You can find it here. We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting and postpartum, cults & high control groups, relational abuse, and, as always, explicit language.Know someone who talks about Kohl’s as much as we do, send this to them. Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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hard knockin' tonight
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband have two newsletters* to cover, but don’t worry he only read one of them. Thoughts on Kohls & the Escaping Twin Flames doc, the relationship between guilt, gratitude, and power and Kaitlyn learns how J feels about death and grief. (For those who came here for Lions Corner, J forgot to do it—probs cuz his predictions were so off last week.)We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting, grief and death, cults, and, as always, explicit language.Note: Found the newsletter I was thinking of (right around the 54 minute mark) where I read about being less attached to everything.*1, 2 Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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gotta get that turkey leg
Heads up: The audio around 15 minutes in becomes scratchy. I did the best I could in editing, but it’s still there. You could imagine you’re listening to an old-timey news program, the radio through a walkie-talkie or you can skip it. All choices available to you. In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband have no newsletter to talk about because it was recorded last week so they talk about J’s bout with psychosomatic sciatica, definitive rankings of Thanksgiving offerings, and some bold (and inaccurate) predictions in Lions Corner.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting, explicit language, body and food talk, sexual abuse awareness and I sang again, twice (I’m so sorry). Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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jingle bells, mofo
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband discuss this week’s newsletter about the holidays and how their differing approaches to them impacts their marriage, an extended Lions corner, thoughts on the current season of the Morning Show on Apple+, and if we should get an Elf on the Shelf this year.We are on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting, explicit language, body talk, and, worst of all, we sing multiple times and Kaitlyn says “like” one million times (many apologies). Resources: Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) card deck. Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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jugs, princess leia, and my elbows
In this episode, Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband, Jon, discuss addiction, how Kaitlyn’s sobriety has impacted their relationship, Michael Keaton, and a new segment where I “pull a card” in the spirit of ’s delightfully named newsletter, Between a Rock and a Card Place, but instead of it being a tarot card it’s a card from my Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) card deck about clarifying values.We are now on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting, explicit language (including sexual themes), addiction, alcohol use and misuse.Thank you for listening! Please share—hoping for some WOM this week! If you listen, you know. Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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last day
In this episode Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and her husband have 2 weeks of newsletters and life to catch up on. Stories about roommates, Kaitlyn’s Ag class in high school, IFS, Taylor Swift and sleep hygiene ensue. Also, a turn of events no one could have seen resulting in a new assessment tool called the Duhamel Scale of Obsession (DSO). We are now on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!!Content warning: Parenting, explicit language (including sexual themes). Thank you for listening! Please share—hoping for some WOM this week! If you listen, you know. Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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i will do my best not to creak
In this episode Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and Jon discuss birthdays, what comes up when you are perceived as a different age than you are, and the Beckham doc—basically anything other than talking about this week’s newsletter.We are now on Apple Podcasts here and Spotify here so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well!Share some dialogue with those you love… Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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witches on the shelf
In this episode of dialoguing presents: a therapist and a lawyer walk into a bar... Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, and J discuss that week’s newsletter, why J felt a part of it was “too heavy” for him, an exploration of why and how to break up with a therapist, crying in sessions, the acknowledgement of how having had couples therapy earlier that day impacted their discussion and J tries to sneak in a subpodcast about the Detroit Lions. All in a days work, folks. Also, we are now on Apple Podcasts, so feel free to listen and/or leave a review there as well! (If you’re viewing this on Substack, you can find our show page here) Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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a therapist and a lawyer walk into a bar...
dialoguing presents: a therapist and a lawyer walk into a bar...Kaitlyn, from the newsletter dialoguing on Substack, begins a new venture with her lawyer husband, Jon. In their first ever episode, they attempt to figure out audio issues (spoiler alert: not entirely successfully), battle cat interference, discuss that week's newsletter on Radical Acceptance, and if it's worth it for Jon to explore his rage about traffic.Content Warning: brief discussion of sexual assault, mention of a sexual slur, conversation around parenting, racism and sexism. Get full access to 🌼 dialoguing at dialoguing.substack.com/subscribe
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
Welcome to dialoguing, a companion podcast to the newsletter of the same name on Substack, where an off-duty therapist speaks with her very much not a therapist husband as if there weren’t mics in front of their faces. Join us as we explore modern day mental health, marital and every day struggles, triumphs and everything in-between. Each episode dives deep into whatever is on our minds. Sometimes that is the newsletter and sometimes it’s burning questions from life. Whether you're a newbie to therapeutic concepts and vulnerability looking to better understand emotional intimacy, mental health, or relationships or you’re a therapist yourself this podcast can be a soft, less clinical landing to just talk about life and our feelings about it. Catch us, dialoguing every other Fridayish.photo cred: Rotarski Photography dialoguing.substack.com
HOSTED BY
Kaitlyn T.
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