DNA Dialogues: Conversations in Genetic Counseling Research

In this episode we are exploring 2 recent Journal of Genetic Counseling articles on the topic of insurance coverage and concerns about genetic discrimination. Segment 1: Cardiovascular genetic counselor decision making about discussing life insurance with patients Guest Bios: Sara Cherny has almost 20 years of experience as a genetic counselor in the Chicagoland area, specializing in cardiovascular genetics for the past decade. Her wide range of experience allows her to provide comprehensive care for patients in the Cardiovascular Genetics Clinic at Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital, where she engages in patient care, program development, and research. Her research focuses on trends in cardiovascular genetics, access to genetic services, genetic privacy, and genetic discrimination. She is involved in advocacy work with the Illinois Society of Genetic Professionals (ISGP) and the Pediatric and Congenital Electrophysiology Society (PACES). Sara loves how her work combines science and patient care, and is committed to scientific discovery that both improves patient experience and moves the field forward.  Sarah Jurgensmeyer Langas is a genetic counselor in the Heart Center at the Ann and Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago with a specific focus in congenital heart disease, aortopathies, and Williams syndrome. Sarah is an Assistant Professor of Pediatrics at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine and enjoys teaching and providing clinical supervision to genetic counseling graduate students and medical students. Sarah is also active in the Illinois Society of Genetic Professionals, currently serving on the Advocacy Committee and previously serving as President in 2024. She was the recipient of the 2023 ACMG Foundation Carolyn Mills Lovell Genetic Counselor Award and is passionate about expansion of genetic services to more patient populations. https://www.instagram.com/luriechildrensheartcenter/ https://www.instagram.com/sara_cherny/   In this segment we discuss: - How life insurance considerations arise in genetic counseling, particularly in cardiovascular genetics, and how conversations vary based on patient knowledge, phenotype, and age. - Findings that genetic counselors are more likely to address life insurance with phenotype-positive and adult patients, while time constraints and clinical context can limit these discussions. - How fear of genetic discrimination impacts patient decision-making, including declining testing, alongside reports of real-world insurance denial. - Challenges in balancing transparency with avoiding unnecessary fear, and the need for better education, standardized guidance, and further research in this space. Segment 2: Understanding GINA through case examples: A guide for US-based genetic counselors   Guest Bios: Anya Prince is the David H. Vernon Professor at the University of Iowa College of Law. Her research and teaching interests focus on genetic discrimination and privacy. @anyaprince.bsky.social   Misha Rashkin, MS, CGC, graduated from the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Masters program in genetic counseling in 2013. He is a clinical genetic counselor in oncology at Stanford HealthCare, focusing on hereditary malignant hematology. He chaired the NSGC public policy committee in 2018, and lectures about GINA and privacy to genetic counseling graduate programs.   In this segment we discuss: - Ongoing misconceptions and knowledge gaps about GINA, including what it does and does not protect - The value of case-based learning to clarify complex legal and clinical scenarios in genetic counseling - Nuances in GINA’s protections, especially around manifested conditions and evolving genetic technologies - Challenges in counseling patients about discrimination risk, balancing information, and navigating policy gaps like life and disability insurance coverage Resources: Germline genetic testing and privacy concerns in patients with mesothelioma from Genetics in Medicine Genetic Privacy in the US: Insurance and Law Enforcement Use website   Would you like to nominate a JoGC article to be featured in the show? If so, please fill out this nomination submission form here. Multiple entries are encouraged including articles where you, your colleagues, or your friends are authors.   Stay tuned for the next new episode of DNA Dialogues! In the meantime, listen to all our episodes Apple Podcasts, Spotify, streaming on the website, or any other podcast player by searching, “DNA Dialogues”.    For more information about this episode visit dnadialogues.podbean.com, where you can also stream all episodes of the show. Check out the Journal of Genetic Counseling here for articles featured in this episode and others.    Any questions, episode ideas, guest pitches, or comments can be sent into [email protected].    DNA Dialogues’ team includes Jehannine Austin, Naomi Wagner, Khalida Liaquat, Kate Wilson and DNA Today’s Kira Dineen. Our logo was designed by Ashlyn Enokian. Our current intern is Stephanie Schofield.