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Epic Score Podcast
by Gabriel Shadid
Gabe Shadid is the owner of Epic Score. He's spent decades producing music that has been licensed into every corner of media, from film trailers, video games, tv networks, to being sampled into Billboard #1 rap hits. Epic Score's journey has also included a grassroots fan base of listeners that has been so supportive of Epic Score. The goal of this podcast is to inspire, challenge, educate and engage with the fans and build a community of people beyond just listening to music.
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Ep 20 - Inside Epic Score HQ — Studio Tour with Gabe Shadid
It's lean. It's mean. It's a studio tour of Epic Score's composing and mixing setup. For the first time, Gabe Shadid gives listeners insights into the studio behind Epic Score. From monitors, audio interfaces and workflow tools… to mixing in Pro Tools, composing in Logic Pro, favorite plugins, virtual instruments and more — Gabe walks through the setup he uses to create music, produce the podcast, and keep creativity moving quickly. His main philosophy on studio setup: Keep it lean. Keep it efficient. After decades in professional audio — from big pro studio mixing rooms to building Epic Score at home — Gabe has refined his workspace into a simple, highly effective creative machine designed for speed, focus, and great sound. And most importantly---NO FAN NOISE! 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 19 - APM Music & the Evolution of Music Licensing | APM CEO Adam Taylor Interview
In this episode of the Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid sits down with Adam Taylor, President and CEO of APM Music—one of the most influential production music libraries in the world and a key distributor for Epic Score. With backing from industry giants Sony and Universal, APM sits at the center of music licensing—and Adam brings over two decades of insight into how the business has evolved and where it's heading next. The conversation dives into one of the most pressing issues in today's music industry: the rise of AI-generated music and the growing push for transparency. Adam reveals emerging certification systems designed to verify that music is created by humans—offering a potential "seal of approval" in an increasingly automated landscape. From licensing trends and technological disruption to the future of composers and the definition of authenticity, this episode explores the shifting foundations of the production music world. If you care about where music is going—and who (or what) is creating it—this is a conversation you don't want to miss. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 18 - Returning to My Piano Roots | Studio Chat with Gabe Shadid
In this episode of the Epic Score Podcast, Gabe Shadid returns to his roots in the piano. After 20 years of producing cinematic trailer music with Epic Score—spanning 80+ albums—Gabe shares the story behind a new personal project. For the first time, he's releasing a piano-based artist album under his own name. Featuring a blend of intimate piano, subtle ambient textures, ethereal vocal performances and more, "Piano Passione" represents a return to his roots—and a new chapter. Join Gabe as he plays one of the themes from the new album. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 17 - Chapman Stick Expert and Composer Kevin Keith Shares His Journey Through Hollywood and Beyond
In this episode of the Epic Score Podcast, Gabe Shadid sits down with Kevin Keith—a highly regarded Chapman Stick player whose musical journey defies convention. From working as an electronic tech for companies like Neve, YouTube and others, to discovering one of the most unique instruments in modern music and unexpectedly finding himself featured in one of the world's largest musical instrument museums, Kevin shares the twists and turns that shaped his career. Along the way, he breaks down the artistry behind the Chapman Stick—an instrument that allows him to play bass and melody simultaneously—and performs live to demonstrate its expressive power. Recorded at the legendary Village Recording Studios, this conversation also explores Kevin's experiences navigating the entertainment industry, adapting to change, and staying creatively driven across decades of work. If you're a composer, musician, or creative navigating your own path, this episode is a deep dive into originality, persistence, and finding your unique voice. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 16 - Keeping the Cameras Rolling Through The Chaos - Bob Dohrmann | Part 2
In Part 2 of this Epic Score Podcast interview, host Gabe Shadid continues his conversation with executive producer Bob Dohrmann, diving deeper into the realities of high-level film production. From working on studio projects like Get Hard starring Kevin Hart and Will Ferrell, to navigating the unpredictable challenges of global productions like Uncharted, Bob shares firsthand insights into what it actually takes to keep a film moving forward. The conversation explores: -What working with studios like Warner Bros., Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures, and The Walt Disney Company is really like -The logistical and emotional pressure behind large-scale productions -Producing through uncertainty—including the early days of COVID in Europe -Balancing career, family, and the long game in Hollywood This episode pulls back the curtain on the controlled chaos of filmmaking—and what separates those who survive in the industry from those who don't. If you're interested in cinematic storytelling, production at scale, or the real-world challenges behind the screen, this is a must-listen. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 15 - From the Ground Up to Executive Producer – Bob Dohrmann Story | Part 1
In Part 1 of this conversation, Gabe Shadid sits down with veteran executive producer Bob Dohrmann for a deep dive into the real mechanics of filmmaking—the side audiences never see. Known for his work on films like A Star Is Born (starring Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga) and 10 Cloverfield Lane, and the upcoming The Devil Wears Prada Sequel, Bob has built a career mastering the full lifecycle of production—from budgeting and logistics to execution. But as he explains, being a line producer isn't just a job—it's about understanding all aspects of a production. The timelines. The risks. The costs. The decisions that can make or break a film before cameras even roll. In this episode, Bob shares: -What a line producer actually does (and why it's one of the most critical roles in filmmaking) -How major films get structured from "soup to nuts" -The hidden complexity behind budgets, schedules, and studio expectations -His journey from the ground level to producing major studio films -The mindset required to survive—and succeed—in Hollywood Recorded at the legendary Village Recording Studio in Los Angeles, this is a rare, insider conversation about the business side of creativity—where art meets execution. And don't miss the community building fun with Pumpkin Racing at the end! He calls Gabe the Darth Vader of Pumpkin Racing! This is Part 1 of a two-part interview. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 14 - News on the Upcoming Epic Music Community | Studio Chat
In this episode of the Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid reveals news of his upcoming online epic music community. Plus, he shares a crazy story of how someone tried to impersonate Epic Score. There's always something going on behind-the-scenes. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 13 - From Rock Guitarist to Trailer Composer and Beyond | Alex Pfeffer on Finding His Way
In this episode of the Epic Score Podcast, Gabe Shadid sits down with composer Alex Pfeffer to talk about the journey of finding your voice in cinematic music. From early experiments writing rough demos to discovering his own powerful epic orchestral sound, Alex shares how he pushed and took chances to achieve goals beyond being just a composer. The conversation explores the realities of building a career in music—how composers actually meet collaborators, the importance of creative community, and how relationships still matter in an increasingly digital world. They also dive into one of the biggest questions facing artists today: what happens to creativity in the age of AI? As technology changes the landscape of music production, composers are redefining how they connect, collaborate, and stay creatively relevant. Whether you're an aspiring film composer, trailer music fan, or creator navigating the evolving music industry, this episode offers an honest look at the challenges and opportunities of building a career in cinematic music. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 12 - When Drake Sampled Epic Score and It Was a #1 Hit | Studio Chat with Gabe
In this episode of the Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid shares the story of an unexpected moment when Epic Score's music crossed into mainstream Hip-Hop. Drake released his hit song "First Person Shooter (feat. J. Cole)," and it featured a sample from the Epic Score track "Redemption". Gabe shares a behind-the-scenes look at how trailer music can travel far beyond promo licensing to the wild world of global pop culture. "First Person Shooter" debuted at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 and that was just the start of even more adventures. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 11 - Moving at the Speed of Culture - Ad Agency Owner Tom Dunlap | Interview
In this episode of the Epic Score Podcast, Gabe Shadid sits down with longtime friend and SuperBloom ad agency owner Tom Dunlap for a wide-ranging conversation about creative careers, advertising, and what it takes to sustain long-term professional growth. Tom shares how his creative curiosity evolved into a decades-long career in marketing and agency leadership. The discussion explores creative instincts, adapting to new technology, building momentum over time, staying relevant in a changing world and the mindset required to keep moving forward in a competitive industry. Whether you work in music, advertising, or the broader creative world, this episode offers practical perspective on following your interests, developing your skills, and playing the long game. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 10 - Epic Score Origins Part 5 | Studio Chat with Gabe Shadid
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid reflects on the importance of staying open-minded and adaptable in a rapidly changing creative landscape. Drawing from the early days of Epic Score's launch in 2006, Gabe shares personal stories about building expertise, navigating industry shifts, and gaining perspective through experience. A thoughtful look at how deep focus and flexibility can coexist in today's fast-moving music world. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 9 - Nick Phoenix on Two Steps From Hell, Sampling and Rock Music | Interview
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid sits down with composer/sample developer Nick Phoenix, co-founder of Two Steps From Hell, and founder of Quantum Leap for a deep conversation about artistic longevity, creative discipline, and the evolution of epic music and sound sampling. Nick shares candid insights into building a global cinematic music brand, navigating industry shifts, and maintaining independence in a rapidly changing music landscape. From the early days of trailer music and sound sampling to the challenges of becoming a rock artist, this episode explores what it truly takes to sustain a career in the creative world. Plus, Nick shares news of some exciting upcoming epic projects. Whether you're a composer, producer, or serious fan of cinematic music, this conversation offers rare perspective from one of the architects of the genre. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 8 - Epic Score Origins Part 4 | Studio Chat with Gabe Shadid
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid, founder of Epic Score, continues with Part 4 of the story of his journey into the world of audio and music. Gabe opens up about the long road to creative confidence—and how believing in yourself is so important, but something many of us find difficult. From early self-doubt that held him back, to unexpected validation from music libraries and others, Gabe shares real stories from his music career as it was slowly building with production music, tv themes and beta testing. You'll hear how external feedback, timing, and persistence slowly built momentum—even when confidence lagged behind results. This episode is part reflection, part encouragement, and part behind-the-scenes look at what it's really like to build a career in cinematic and television music. If you're a composer, producer, or creative who's putting in the work but still questioning yourself, this conversation is a reminder to give yourself a chance—and let the work speak. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 7 - Promos, Pressure, and 3 A.M. Mixes | Karen Cirillo's Promo Journey
In this episode of the Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid sits down with Karen Cirillo, a senior creative director/editor whose career path proves there's no such thing as a straight line in Hollywood. Karen's journey began as a receptionist at CBS before moving through the world of television promotion with relentless deadlines and sink-or-swim expectations. Along the way, she faced roadblocks, self-doubt, and moments where taking a risk was necessary to move forward. But taking those leaps led to a two-decade career at NBC where she ultimately became a senior creative director of promo. 🎬 This conversation digs into: Starting at the bottom and learning on the job The reality of promo, post, and "day-of" deadlines Taking risks before you feel ready Why careers never stop evolving It's an honest, behind-the-scenes look at what it really takes to build a creative career—not through glamour, but through persistence, adaptability, and a willingness to step outside your comfort zone. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 6 - Epic Score Origins Part 3 | Studio Chat with Gabe Shadid
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid, founder of Epic Score, continues with Part 3 of the story of his journey into the world of audio and music. In 1999, the technology in the industry was evolving and it was causing major changes in the workflows around LA. Gabe's mixing career came to a grinding halt, and switching to freelance became a necessity. From rock bottom and full of doubt to busy beyond belief, tune in for a roller coaster ride! 🎬 In this episode, you'll learn: About the importance of making in-person personal connections About a new naming suffix on the titles of Epic Score's current album release About how Gabe entered the world of music software beta testing How Pro Tools changed an entire industry How Gabe bounced back from a major mixing career setback If you're interested in the history of Epic Score and the promo industry in Los Angeles, this episode is a must-listen. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 5 - How Sonoton CEO Alex Black Rose To the Top of the Production Music World | Alex Black Interview
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid, founder of Epic Score, interviews Alex Black, CEO of the Sonoton Music Library, the largest privately owned production music catalog in the world. Alex has a long history on the executive side of production music. He has served as the Global Director of EMI's production music amongst other positions. But he didn't start at the top! Find out about Alex's steps to push higher and higher into the industry. And how sometimes you just need to stick your neck out and take chances. 🎬 In this episode, you'll learn: Each step in Alex's career path to some of the highest executive positions in the production music industry How seemingly unrelated experiences can unexpectedly come together to help you take the next step in your career What job opportunity inspired Alex to move from his native England to Germany Current challenges in the music licensing industry and how Alex plans on facing them If you're interested in trailer music, film marketing, music licensing, sync, cinematic composition, the history of epic music, or real career paths in the music industry, this episode is a must-listen. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 4 - Epic Score Origins Part 2 | Studio Chat with Gabe Shadid
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid, founder of Epic Score, continues with Part 2 of the story of his journey into the world of audio mixing and music composition. As a new music editor in a busy studio, many opportunities and challenges were ahead. Every day seemed to bring something new, from building his editing/mixing chops, to getting a chance to work on the tv show America's Most Wanted, getting his first opportunity to create music professionally, moving to Los Angeles, and much more. There's never a dull moment. 🎬 In this episode, you'll learn: About the Epic Score race car How volunteering for a simple task ended up being an important step into the music world How he got his first chance to work on the tv show America's Most Wanted How he bounced back from being laid off How he obtained his first music library composing opportunity How he moved to Los Angeles from the East Coast If you're interested in the history of Epic Score and how a novice music editor continues to find opportunities in the challenging world of entertainment, this episode is a must-listen. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 3 - Interview: Epic Score Composer Tim Stoney | His Journey Into the Music World
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid, founder of Epic Score, interviews Tim Stoney, an Epic Score composer whose 9th album is arriving January 6th. We'll get to meet Tim and hear about his journey into the world of music. It was anything but "standard". He'll share his story via his unique understated British, self-deprecating and humorous style. Plus, we'll learn about a future Epic Score project in the works. And don't miss what his girlfriend thought of his plans to quit his day job and do music full-time! 🎬 In this episode, you'll learn: How the game Legend of Zelda influenced his journey into music Behind-the-scenes of his new Epic Score album launching January 6th The moment he decided to take the risk to do music full-time If you're interested in trailer music, film marketing, music licensing, sync, cinematic composition, or the history of epic music, this episode is a must-listen. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 2 - Epic Score Origins Part 1 | Studio Chat with Gabe Shadid
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid, founder of Epic Score, shares his first steps into the world of audio and music. From classical piano studies at a young age to secretly training as a sound engineer, Gabe shares the initial part of his long and twisting journey that led him to epic music. Gabe also reveals Spotify data about the listeners of Epic Score's music. 🎬 In this episode, you'll learn: How music shaped Gabe's world His first moments of creativity in music How he quietly trained himself on all the gear in a large post facility How he attained his first job in the audio industry If you're interested in the history of Epic Score and how a humble kid with no connections and no clear ambitions worked his way up in the challenging world of entertainment, this episode is a must-listen. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Ep 1 - How Immediate Music Changed Hollywood Trailers Forever | Yoav Goren Interview
In this episode of The Epic Score Podcast, host Gabe Shadid, founder of Epic Score, sits down with Yoav Goren, co-founder of Immediate Music—the company that redefined modern Hollywood trailer music. From the groundbreaking use of Lacrimosa in the Spider-Man 2 trailer, to the creation of iconic albums like Trailerhead, Yoav shares how Immediate Music helped establish the epic, hybrid sound that now defines movie trailers worldwide. This conversation offers a rare, behind-the-scenes look at how trailer music evolved from obscurity into a genre of its own. Yoav opens up about the early days of Immediate Music, the challenges of building a new musical category, and how creative risk-taking reshaped the way studios market films. Whether you're a composer, producer, filmmaker, or lifelong fan of epic music, this episode delivers invaluable insight into the business, creativity, and legacy behind some of the most recognizable trailer music ever made. 🎬 In this episode, you'll learn: How Immediate Music transformed Hollywood trailers The story behind Lacrimosa and Spider-Man 2 Why Trailerhead became a defining moment for trailer music How epic trailer music became its own genre The relationship between Immediate Music and Epic Score Creative risks that changed the industry forever Advice for composers entering the trailer & sync world If you're interested in trailer music, film marketing, music licensing, sync, cinematic composition, or the history of epic music, this episode is a must-watch. 🎧 Subscribe to The Epic Score Podcast for in-depth conversations with the creators and executives shaping the sound of modern cinema. Subscribe to Epic Score's newsletter for events and more: https://go.epicscore.com/ To reach out to us directly email: [email protected]
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Gabe Shadid is the owner of Epic Score. He's spent decades producing music that has been licensed into every corner of media, from film trailers, video games, tv networks, to being sampled into Billboard #1 rap hits. Epic Score's journey has also included a grassroots fan base of listeners that has been so supportive of Epic Score. The goal of this podcast is to inspire, challenge, educate and engage with the fans and build a community of people beyond just listening to music.
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