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In episode 187,  we welcome Dr. Jason Swan Clark, a professor, spiritual director, former pastor, and theologian, who recounts his traumatic childhood, coming to faith at 17, decades of church planting and pastoral leadership, a nervous breakdown at 30, and ongoing work integrating mental health and faith. Jason describes how suffering shaped his leadership, distinguishes healing from transformation, and explains Ignatian spirituality and the Spiritual Exercises, including consolation/desolation and a practical discernment process. He closes with a personal story of meeting Jesus in Gethsemane through the Exercises during COVID and shares where to find his work online. 00:00 Podcast Welcome 00:29 Episode 187 Milestone 01:14 Institute Updates 02:40 Meet Jason Swan Clark 04:25 Setting the Conversation 06:17 Jason's Origin Story 08:34 Breakdown and Calling 09:45 Waverley Abbey Vision 13:21 Trauma Survival and Escape 18:20 Workaholism as Coping 24:22 Trauma Shaping Leadership 31:10 Healing vs Transformation 34:46 Wanting More Than Healing 36:30 Healing Through Participation 40:04 Embracing the Cross 42:25 Trauma and Purpose 46:30 Ignatius and the Exercises 51:34 Discernment Made Practical 01:00:18 Freedom and Attachments 01:05:32 Gethsemane Stay Awake 01:07:24 Closing and Where to Find Jason   https://www.spex.so/ https://www.jasonswanclark.org/

E186 | Paul Young | Embracing Uncertainty: Finding Truth in the Unknowing - Part 2 Paul Young (Part 2) on Prayer as Relationship, 12-Step Community, Healing vs Curing, and Return to the Shack In episode 186 (Part 2) of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our conversation with Paul Young, discussing prayer as ongoing conversation within relationship and how spiritual practices can help but often need community to endure. We talk about honesty without fixing, and how close relationships expose areas needing healing. The conversation explores reclaiming inner wisdom, resisting church-driven codependency, and transformation from the inside out. Paul shares updates on Return to the Shack: A Journey into Redemption (releasing October 6, with a special Shack hardback including three sequel chapters) and a large-scale Shack stage musical in Germany planned for spring 2029. He also addresses living with epilepsy, seeking healing rather than curing, and using "unrighteous wealth" (platform/notoriety) shrewdly for the kingdom.   01:22 Trauma Course Plug 01:52 What Prayer Looks Like 03:43 Spiritual Practices Reframed 05:17 Bradley and AA Community 10:09 Why Community Heals 14:07 CODA and Not Fixing 17:21 Codependency and Self Trust 20:20 Poem on Voice and Boundaries 21:35 Sequel Release Plans 22:28 Musical Adaptation Update 25:10 Casting Connection Offer 25:51 Creative Process Reflections 27:06 Health and Epilepsy Journey 30:57 Unrighteous Wealth Parable 33:42 Using Platform for Kingdom 40:07 Revival and Union Talk 41:35 Podcast Farewell and Outro  

E185 | Paul Young | Embracing Uncertainty: Finding Truth in the Unknowing - Part 1 We are excited to  welcome back one of our favorites -  Paul Young (author of The Shack) for part one of a two-episode conversation, while also sharing updates on Immanuel Approach for Life Level 1 and 2 cohorts and a Wheaton College research team studying the model's efficacy.    Paul reflects on the necessity of "unknowing" as humility and openness, contrasting intellectual belief with whole-person trust and relational knowing. The discussion explores trauma and religious performance as obstacles to embodying God's goodness, emphasizing awareness of an always-present union/non-separation with God rather than earning it.  Paul critiques fear-based theology and transactional faith, reframes Hebrews 11's "substance" as Jesus, and offers a practical way to interrupt panic and future-tripping by asking, "What do I know is true right now?"   00:35 Training Cohorts Update 01:15 Research Study Spotlight 01:30 Introducing Paul Young 02:21 Cloud of Unknowing 02:46 Letting Go of Certainty 05:06 Trust Beyond Head Knowledge 12:09 Union Versus Awareness 13:44 Unconditional Father Love 20:06 Trauma Shapes Theology 23:24 Gods Character Questioned 25:45 Knowing Versus Believing 31:32 Removing Barriers to Love 31:55 Untangling Dark Religion 33:44 Grief Without Losing Trust 35:33 Separation Distorts Faith 36:59 Hospital Story Faith Shame 41:31 Hebrews 11 Jesus Substance 45:03 Union Mystics And Indwelling 50:08 Eden God Never Turns Away 53:17 Agency Submission Not Control 55:04 Fear Love And Inner Work 58:41 Present Tense Stops Panic 01:00:11 Closing Thanks And Outro

Episode 184: Dr. Bob Schuchts on Healing the Whole Person, Spiritual Formation, and Bridging Catholic–Protestant Divides On Episode 184 of the Face to Face Podcast, we welcome Dr. Bob Schuchts, founder of the John Paul II Healing Center, to discuss healing ministry from a Catholic perspective and its overlap with the Immanuel Approach. Dr. Schuchts shares his background as a longtime therapist, a pivotal spiritual encounter that led him to study many prayer modalities, and his current work offering healing and training conferences that emphasize safety, surrender to the Holy Spirit, abiding, discerning inner movements, addressing barriers, and practicing prayer ministry. The conversation explores healing as an ongoing encounter with God's love and truth that brings wholeness and communion, the link between healing prayer and spiritual formation, the "seven deadly wounds," and how sacraments and interdenominational bridge-building relate to unity and integrity in the body of Christ.  00:29 Episode and Course Updates 01:11 Meet Dr Bob Schuchts 03:13 Bob's Healing Journey 07:15 Training and Conferences 11:59 Healing and Formation 15:50 Seven Deadly Wounds 22:19 Catholic and Protestant Bridges 24:50 Baptism and Salvation 26:10 Confession and Forgiveness 27:09 Eucharist and Real Presence 27:42 Confirmation Marriage Orders 29:14 Anointing and Healing 29:50 Sacraments Heal Roots 30:44 Bridging Denominations 35:05 Unity and Communion Boundaries 39:49 Integrity and Marriage Analogy 42:29 Healing Grace and Cooperation 44:00 Resources and Closing Thanks

Wayne Jacobson on Experiencing God's Love, Presence, and Freedom Beyond Performance | Face to Face Podcast Ep. 183 In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we interview author and former pastor Wayne Jacobson about moving from a transactional, performance-based faith to an experiential life rooted in God's affection, presence, and fullness. Wayne shares his background, ministry disillusionment, repeated experiences of betrayal, and how God's presence slowly meets people in pain and trauma. He explains how a curative (not punitive) view of the atonement reshaped his view of the Father, argues that transformation comes through relational engagement with God rather than information alone, and critiques Christianity as a sin- or shame-management system. He discusses community as a gift cultivated through hospitality and friendship, points listeners to his book He Loves Me and his websites, and closes by praying for listeners to relax into the "unforced rhythms of grace." 00:26 Meet Wayne Jacobson 01:08 Level One Invitation 02:07 Trauma Course Preview 03:15 Why This Interview Matters 04:57 Wayne's Journey Begins 07:30 Betrayal and Presence 09:41 From Earning to Love 16:18 Atonement Reframed 20:16 Engagement Over Information 24:30 Belonging Before Behaving 28:00 Affection Presence Fullness 29:12 Rethinking Sin and Shame 30:29 Sin Management Trap 32:02 Righteousness as Justice 33:26 Relational Justice Through Love 35:49 God Inside Our Failures 37:08 Lifting the Legalism Veil 40:11 Unforced Rhythms of Grace 46:17 Engagement Over Doctrine 51:08 Fear of Hell and Salvation Now 53:25 Finding Real Community 58:26 Resources and Final Blessing 01:01:29 Closing Reflections and Outro

Brian Zahnd on Christian Nationalism, the Kingdom of Jesus, and a More Beautiful Christianity | Face to Face Podcast Ep. 182   In episode 182 of the podcast, Melinda interviews pastor, author, and theologian Brian Zahnd (Word of Life Church, St. Joseph, Missouri), while co-host Cathy is absent due to losing her voice and shares updates on Immanuel Institute trainings and the standalone Understanding Trauma Course. Zahnd recounts leading one congregation for 44 years, the church's early rapid growth, and a major theological recalibration that moved them toward the Christian tradition and away from politicized rezligion—costing them about 1,500 people between roughly 2004–2014—followed by healing on a 40-day Camino de Santiago pilgrimage in 2016. The conversation contrasts the kingdom of Jesus with Christian nationalism, critiques reducing "Christian" to an adjective serving political agendas, and emphasizes that discipleship requires allegiance to Christ over nation while maintaining a church culture marked by kindness amid political differences. Zahnd centers his theology on "God is like Jesus," argues Jesus reveals God as Savior rather than saving us from God, commends the historic creeds as generous guardrails, and discusses leaning into the "beautiful" as cruciform Christianity, along with his books and an upcoming release, The Unseen Realm (May 19). 02:08 Meet Brian Zahnd: Pastor, Author, Pilgrim 04:05 44 Years at One Church: Calling, Team Leadership & Generations 07:56 A Midlife Faith Shift: From Mega-Growth to Recalibrating Christianity 10:48 Critiquing America, Losing 1500 People & Finding Healing on the Camino 13:39 Kingdom of Jesus vs. Christian Nationalism: Where Allegiance Belongs 19:29 America as Nation, Empire, and "Religion" + The Discipleship Challenge 24:37 'Christian Nation' Myths, Founding Fathers & Why You Can't Baptize a Country  27:33 Global Perspective: Sweden, Trump, Team-Sport Politics & Choosing Love  33:52 Creating a Kind Church Culture Across Political Differences 35:42 Seeing God Through Jesus (Not Culture or Politics) 37:14 John's Prologue: Why Jesus Is the Clearest Revelation of God 40:35 Undoing the 'Angry God' Imagination: Jesus Doesn't Save Us From God 43:44 Creeds, Control, and the 'Heretic' Label: Keeping Christianity Generous 47:04 Making Room for Mystery: Truth, Goodness, and the Power of Beauty 51:43 Cruciform Beauty in Practice: Open Hands, Leading Without Coercion 55:20 Staying With the Church: Family, Calling, and Local Influence 57:21 Books, New Release, and Reclaiming a Non-Escapist Heaven  01:02:40 What Christ Can Bless + The 'Christian' Label + A Final Blessing https://brianzahnd.com/

Welcome to another inspiring episode of the Face to Face Podcast. In episode 181, we are honored to introduce Jason Twombly, also known as the Heartsmith. Jason is a spiritual development coach working primarily with men to transform their pain into power, hurt into healing, and wounds into wisdom. Dive deep into discussions about emotional maturity, trauma processing, and the journey of healing with God. Discover how Jason's personal journey and professional guidance are helping men reconnect with their true selves and cultivate meaningful relationships. Join us for an exploration of vulnerability, emotional safety, and authentic living.    00:36 How to Get Involved with the Immanuel Institute 02:33 Introducing Jason Twombly: The Heartsmith 04:14 Jason's Journey and Work with Men 07:13 The Importance of Emotional Health for Men 10:19 Jason's Personal Transformation 13:29 Challenges and Breakthroughs in Emotional Healing 21:25 The Second Half of Life: Unlearning and Surrender 23:51 A Message for Men: Recognizing the Need for Help 25:12 Helping Men Rediscover Passion and Purpose 25:57 Transforming Pain into Power 27:29 The Importance of Vulnerability and Safe Spaces 28:10 Grief and Healing: A Personal Journey 31:51 The Role of Self-Leadership and Emotional Sovereignty 33:56 The Continuous Journey of Healing 35:22 The Power of Community and Relationships 42:40 The Abyss of the Heart: A Deeper Dive 43:38 Training Men for Emotional Competence 47:02 Encouraging Men to Seek Healing 49:03 Conclusion and Call to Action Resources Mentioned:  Immanuel Institute: Immanuelinstitute.com  Jason Twombly: jasontwombly.com; The Heartsmith Coach on Substack; Book: Jesus Comforts - A Devotional from Heartache to Healing  Contact & More Info:  Face to Face Network: facetofacenetwork.org Don't forget to leave a five-star review and subscribe for more empowering episodes! 

In this enlightening episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we sit down with Bill Vanderbush to explore the simplicity and depth of the gospel. Bill dives deep into the contrast between modern Western Christianity and the early church teachings, emphasizing the importance of understanding our identity through Christ.   We discuss the pitfalls of performance-based faith, the transformative power of grace, and the importance of awakening to our true relationship with God as a loving Father. Bill also shares his thoughts on the current reformation in the church and how it's reshaping believers' understanding of the gospel.   Tune in for an inspiring and thought-provoking conversation that challenges conventional religious beliefs and invites listeners into a deeper, more intimate walk with God.   00:00 Introduction and Announcements 01:07 Introducing Bill Vanderbush 02:53 Bill Vanderbush on Union and Grace 04:53 Complications in Modern Christianity 05:46 The True Essence of the Gospel 08:00 The Fatherhood of God 15:53 Reformation and Awakening  22:46 Healing Trauma Bonds with God 33:09 Grace and Faith: A Gift from God 34:13 The Evolution of Paul's Teachings 37:20 Childlike Wonder in Faith 40:28 Living in Reconciled Rest 46:13 The True Nature of the Gospel 50:47 The Role of Theology and Reformation 51:53 Final Thoughts and Encouragement More info: billvanderbush.com

E179 | Discovering the Self with Adam Young: The Role of Neuroscience in Faith (Exploring Attachment and Brain Science with Adam Young)   In this episode we welcome therapist and author Adam Young to discuss the profound impact of early caregiver relationships on how we relate to God. Young explains the importance of understanding our attachment history and the significant influence of early life experiences on brain development. We delve into topics such as narrative therapy, the role of the nervous system, and the importance of paying attention to one's body and internal experiences. Young highlights the necessity of addressing trauma and harmful experiences to achieve personal freedom and a better understanding of oneself. He emphasizes the continuous practice of introspection and attunement to one's body as vital for personal growth and well-being.   00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:28 Exploring Attachment and God 01:13 The Impact of Early Experiences on Our Relationship with God 03:51 Understanding the Importance of Our Stories 04:47 The Role of the Nervous System in Trauma and Healing 08:42 The Power of Attention and Interoception 23:34 Embracing Self-Sovereignty and Personal Responsibility 33:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts     https://adamyoungcounseling.com/

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we welcome bestselling author and professional counselor Jenna Riemersma to discuss Internal Family Systems (IFS). Dropping during Christmas week, the episode focuses on deeper connection and healing practices. Jenna explains the significance of IFS, a therapeutic model emphasizing the importance of embracing all aspects of oneself, even those that are challenging. She shares insights on welcoming and understanding these parts through self-compassion and curiosity, aligning them with one's divine essence. The conversation also touches on critical distinctions between parts and their burdens, emphasizing the need for relational healing rather than control. Jenna concludes with a guided meditation, assisting listeners in moving toward their inner parts with kindness. The episode encourages journaling reflections, and reminds listeners about the valuable resources available through Jenna's website, MoveToward.com, and her upcoming book, 'Move Toward.'   00:00 Introduction and Holiday Greetings 00:46 Interview with Jenna Riemersma 02:22 Immanuel Institute Enrollment 04:30 Jenna Riemersma's Background and IFS 07:11 Understanding Internal Family Systems (IFS) 09:53 Practical Applications of IFS 17:26 Addressing Challenging Parts 25:01 Healing Through Relationship and Compassion 28:50 Understanding Parts Work 30:02 Compassionate Approach to Self-Hatred 31:19 Welcoming Resistance and Concerns 33:42 Spiritual and Faith-Based Integration 38:37 Practical Steps for Self-Compassion 40:29 Guided Meditation for Parts Work 51:45 Reflections on the Meditation Experience 58:03 Final Thoughts and Resources 01:04:39 Conclusion and Farewell

The Journey to Wholeness with Michael John Cusick - Part 2 In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful conversation with Michael John Cusick. We are excited to invite you to join our Level 1 and Level 2 Immanuel Approach training sessions starting in December and January. Michael delves into various topics, including spiritual disciplines, mysticism, and the importance of understanding our inherent brokenness through five Ws: wretchedness, weakness, woundedness, warfare, and wiring. He emphasizes the need to reframe our perceptions of spiritual performance and the profound impact of recognizing God's constant presence. The episode ends with information on how to support the podcast and more resources for deeper connection and lasting freedom. 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 00:40 Listener Feedback and Apology 02:37 Immanuel Approach Training Details 04:53 Introduction to Michael Cusick's Interview 05:17 Experiencing God in Everyday Life 14:20 Understanding Human Brokenness 20:54 The Impact of Personal Limitations 21:30 Embracing Vulnerabilities 22:12 The Power of Weakness 24:08 Understanding Woundedness 25:15 The Reality of Spiritual Warfare 26:53 The Role of Our Nervous System 28:20 Reevaluating Spiritual Performance 30:28 Discovering a New Way 35:43 The Holiness Heresy 39:49 Final Thoughts and Reflections

E177 | Michael John Cusick | Authenticity: The Path to Wholeness Welcome to Episode 177 of the Face to Face Podcast! Today we discuss their Immanuel Approach course levels and introduce their special guest, Michael John Cusick. Cusick, an author, podcaster, and therapist, shares his remarkable story of overcoming early-life trauma. The conversation delves into themes of vulnerability, the importance of embodied spirituality, and doing personal work for healing. Practical insights and valuable advice on experiencing God's love and navigating trauma are key highlights.   00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:28 Upcoming Courses and Announcements 01:52 Introducing Michael John Cusick 02:39 Michael's Personal Journey and Professional Work 04:40 The Power of Vulnerability and Humility 08:05 Restoring the Soul: Intensive Counseling Ministry 09:54 Challenges and Growth in Personal Relationships 16:41 The Importance of Embodied Spirituality 38:51 Final Thoughts and Upcoming Episodes  

Today we sit down and have a compelling conversation with Chuck DeGroat, a licensed therapist, spiritual director, and author of six books including 'Leaving Egypt'. Chuck shares his journey of emotional and spiritual transformation, the significance of vulnerability, and practical exercises for achieving a deeper sense of safety and connection. Special topics include insights on the Immanuel Approach, Understanding Trauma courses, and the challenge of maintaining genuine vulnerability within leadership roles. Don't miss this insightful episode filled with practical steps for lasting freedom and meaningful relationships.   00:45 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Courses 01:57 Introducing Our Guest: Chuck DeGroat 03:38 Chuck DeGroat's Background and Family 06:22 Discussing Chuck's Books and Writing Journey 07:56 The Journey of Healing and Self-Reflection 13:11 Understanding Trauma and Inner Healing 16:33 Challenges of Leadership and Vulnerability 19:41 Narcissism and the Path to Transformation 27:38 Sympathetic Storm: A Personal Journey 28:41 Character Formation and Personal Growth 29:24 The Slow Process of Bearing Fruit 30:42 Navigating Midlife Crises 32:01 Embracing Vulnerability and Self-Compassion 33:56 Befriending Our Inner Parts 47:52 Embodied Practices for Healing 51:09 Resources and Final Thoughts

In Episode 175 we share part two of our enlightening discussion with Bishop Chris Green. This episode covers significant topics such as understanding trauma, the role of suffering in life, and the differences between tenderness and vulnerability. Chris provides profound insights into how one's view of God affects their emotional responses and emphasizes the importance of leaning into our humanity and finite nature. The episode also underscores the importance of embracing one's unique way of experiencing God, whether as a 'sea' or a 'cup,' and finding peace within that framework. Additionally, we highlight the Understanding Trauma course available at Immanuelinstitute.com. 00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:33 Episode 175: Part Two with Bishop Chris Green 01:00 Understanding Trauma Course Announcement 01:53 Diving Back into the Conversation with Chris Green 02:00 Theology and Tenderness: A Deep Dive 11:02 The Role of Suffering in the Christian Life 18:37 The Illusion of Control and Embracing Weakness 26:05 Healing, Isolation, and Theological Anchoring 32:47 Final Thoughts and Benediction 38:58 Closing Remarks and Upcoming Content

Welcome to episode 174 of the Face to Face Podcast, hosted by Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little. We are excited to share with you an in-depth conversation with theologian and professor Chris Green, discussing the interplay between theology and everyday life. Chris Green shares his journey into theology, influenced by scholars like Stanley Hauerwas and Robert Jensen. Our discussion shifts to the role of theology in daily life and the importance of aligning head knowledge with heart experience. Chris also delves into his latest book, 'All Life Comes From Tenderness,' exploring the necessity of sensitivity and tenderness for a fulfilling faith and life. The episode concludes with a teaser for part two and appreciation for the listeners. Tune in for an enriching dialogue on living with authenticity and understanding through theology. 0:03 - Introduction and Welcome  0:54 - Announcements and Updates 3:02 - Introducing Chris Green 3:59 - Chris Green's Journey into Theology 10:25 - The Role of Theology in Daily Life 14:47 - Constructive and Public Theology 24:47 - The Importance of Tenderness 51:15 - Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser

In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we continue our insightful discussion with Dr. Baxter Kruger. We explore the significance of union with Jesus, practical ways it manifests in daily life, and how to recognize Jesus' presence in everyday actions. Our conversation also highlights upcoming events and courses from the Immanuel Institute that delve deeper into cultivating a closer relationship with Jesus. Dr. Kruger shares profound stories and joyful revelations, emphasizing the importance of embracing one's inherent connection with Jesus and viewing life through the lens of this union. 00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:28 Upcoming Events and Announcements 02:35 Introduction to Dr. Baxter Kruger 02:45 Understanding Union with Jesus 04:07 Practical Examples of Union 05:04 Jesus' Presence in Daily Life 07:53 The Role of Faith and Delusion 13:57 The True Gospel and Identity 14:22 Jesus' Teachings and Miracles 18:20 The Simplicity of Walking with Jesus 23:03 Final Thoughts and Homework 24:11 Understanding Darkness and Light 24:37 Baby Steps and Love 25:07 Creativity and Divine Gifts  25:37 The Journey of Awakening 27:21 Union and Non-Duality  29:32 Hearing God's Voice 31:02 Facing Pain and Finding Jesus 36:03 The Power of the Gospel  42:13 Resources and Recommendations 46:04 Final Thoughts and Gratitude  

Join us for an intriguing conversation with theologian, Dr. Baxter Kruger as he delves into theological discussions about the nature of God's love, the significance of the Trinity, and the purpose of creation. He challenges traditional Western Christian doctrines, advocating for a more beautiful gospel centered on love and unity with God. The episode encourages listeners to re-examine their beliefs and embrace a more profound relationship with the Divine 00:00 - 02:14: Introduction and current travels 02:15 - 06:33: Upcoming Immanuel Approach training details 06:34 - 07:40: Background on guest Baxter Kruger 07:41 - 12:00: Kruger's theological discussion on the Trinity and nature of God 12:01 - 16:30: Significance of God's love and purpose of creation 16:31 - 23:49: Jesus' actions and divine submission during the crucifixion 23:50 - 35:12: Interpretation of biblical passages and deeper theological insights 35:13 - 44:30: Faith, repentance, and knowing God intimately 44:31 - 52:45: Challenges to traditional Western Christian doctrines 52:46 - 1:09:10: Experiencing and describing God's love in everyday life 1:09:11 - 1:20:00: Final reflections and invitation to re-listen

Join us for a powerful episode of the Face to Face Podcast as we sit down with Dr. Margaret Nagib, a clinical psychologist with over 20 years of experience, to explore the integration of faith, psychology, and nervous system healing. Discover how trauma responses shape our lives, why nervous system regulation is foundational for emotional and spiritual health, and practical steps for moving from survival to wholeness. Timestamps: 00:00 – Welcome & Introduction 00:29 – Broadcasting from Lake Tahoe & Upcoming Courses 02:38 – Introducing Dr. Margaret Nagib 03:22 – Dr. Margaret's Background: Integrating Faith & Psychology 05:42 – The Evolution of Christian Psychology & Inner Healing 09:35 – Mind, Body, Spirit Integration Explained 13:22 – The Role of the Nervous System in Healing 18:23 – Why Nervous System Work is Trending 21:14 – Understanding Trauma Responses: Fight, Flight, Freeze, Fawn 24:11 – Real-Life Examples: People-Pleasing & Fawn Response 27:00 – How to Recognize and Shift Out of Trauma Responses 31:00 – Practical Tools for Regulation & Completing the Stress Cycle 35:00 – Recognizing Long-Term Patterns & Building Capacity 39:00 – The Foundation of Nervous System Work Key Topics: The integration of faith and psychology in healing How trauma responses (fight, flight, freeze, fawn) show up in daily life The importance of nervous system regulation for lasting change Practical tools for recognizing and shifting out of survival states Dr. Margaret's personal journey and resources Connect with Dr. Margaret Nagib: Instagram: @margaretnagib Website: thedunamisproject.org If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a five-star review and visit facetofacenetwork.com for more resources!

In this episode, we continue our conversation with Suhail Stephen, exploring how the Enneagram can deepen spiritual formation and self-understanding. We discuss the Enneagram's origins, its nine personality types, and how it helps us recognize both our strengths and areas for growth. Suhail shares personal insights and practical ways the Enneagram can foster compassion, freedom, and more authentic relationships—with God, others, and ourselves. Learn More at: writingisprayer.com 00:00 - Welcome & Introduction 00:29 - Show Begins, Guest Introduction 00:55 - Announcements: Dash Away & Trauma Course 01:41 - Transition to Enneagram Topic 01:52 - Suhail on Spirituality & Enneagram 02:14 - Cathy's Enneagram Story 02:58 - Suhail: Enneagram's Impact & History 05:19 - Christian Perspective on Enneagram 08:00 - Suhail's Personal Enneagram Experience 10:32 - Triads & Undercurrents Explained 13:37 - Cathy & Melinda Discuss Their Types 15:13 - Suhail: What the Numbers Mean 16:58 - Triads: Shame, Anxiety, Frustration 18:45 - Compulsions & Avoidances 19:41 - Melinda: Resistance to Labels 21:47 - Suhail: Why Use "Undercurrent" & "Compulsion" 23:28 - Melinda & Cathy's Types Explored 24:39 - Cathy's Leadership & Independence 27:50 - Why Self-Awareness Matters 29:03 - Enneagram for Relationships 31:56 - Final Thoughts & Resources 34:15 - Where to Find Suhail 34:58 - Enneagram: Affirming the Good 35:54 - Closing Remarks 36:07 - Outro & Call to Action 36:27 - End  

In this episode of the Face to Face podcast, we engage in a profound conversation with Suhail Stephen, a spiritual director from Manitoba, Canada. We delve into Suhail's multicultural upbringing, his journey into spiritual direction, and the significance of the contemplative Christian tradition. We also discuss practical steps like the Daily Examen and the role of a spiritual director in deepening one's spiritual experience. Suhail shares his personal experiences and insights, making this episode a valuable resource for anyone interested in authentic spiritual growth and connection with God.   00:28 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Events 01:50 Meet Our Special Guest: Suhail Stephen 06:30 Suhail's Journey and Cultural Experiences 12:54 Exploring Spirituality Across Cultures 22:45 The Path to Spiritual Direction 24:49 Understanding Spiritual Direction 26:02 Personal Journey with God  27:52 First Encounter with Spiritual Direction 28:52 Discovering the Call to Spiritual Direction 30:39 Training and Becoming a Spiritual Director 37:02 The Contemplative Tradition 46:40 Practical Steps for Spiritual Growth 50:22 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In Part 2 with Jessie Cruickshank, we discuss deeper connections and meaningful relationships through the lens of Identity Formation Theory. Our conversation covers various phases of human and spiritual development from infancy to adulthood, highlighting how our understanding of ourselves and God evolves.  You will be invited to explore phases of growth, the importance of autobiographical memory, and the concept of deconstruction in faith. This rich discussion provides insights for anyone interested in emotional and spiritual maturity. Learn more at whoology.co.   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:28 Upcoming Events and Opportunities 01:03 Immanuel Institute Programs 01:35 Understanding Trauma Course 02:28 Identity Formation Theory: Phases 0 to 1 04:13 Identity Formation Theory: Phase 2 08:57 Identity Formation Theory: Phase 3 13:08 Deconstruction and Faith Transitions 20:15 Phase 4: Owning Your Faith 23:18 Organizational Dynamics and Faith 30:15 Phase 5: The Dark Night of the Soul 40:08 Petty Doctrinal Issues in Modern Faith 40:31 Understanding Phase Five in Spiritual Growth  42:27 The Role of Community in Faith Transitions 43:20 Elder Stage and Teaching Teenagers 44:40 Navigating Spiritual Direction Schools 46:26 Fear and Control in Religion 48:22 Creating Safe Spaces for Questions 50:51 The Journey of Identity Formation 59:53 Final Thoughts and Encouragement 01:04:54 Autobiographical vs. Semantic Memory

E167 - Jessie Cruickshank - Part 1 | Understanding Identity & Faith Development In this episode, we introduce Jessie Cruickshank, a neuro-ecclesiologist with a background from Harvard. We discuss the concept of identity formation, delving into various phases of human development based on a theory Jessie evolved from Fowler's stages of faith development. The episode covers infancy and toddler stages, emphasizing the importance of naming and identity in the early years. Jessie shares insights on how our experiences shape our perception of self and God. We have compelling conversation on the significance of naming children and how it impacts their identity and faith journey.   00:28 California Vibes and Upcoming Events 01:25 Dash Away and Immanuel Institute Announcements 04:24 Introducing Jessie Cruickshank 05:13 Jessie Cruickshank's Background and Journey 14:32 Neuro Ecclesiology and Organizational Psychology 19:08 The Art of Connection: Sales Techniques and Attunement 21:01 Exploring Identity Formation Theory 22:44 The Journey of Faith Development 24:41 Introducing Identity Formation Theory 27:06 The Role of Caregivers in Spiritual Development 34:13 The Importance of Naming and Identity 37:52 Helping Others Discover Their True Identity 42:31 Conclusion and Next Steps

In this episode, we continue our deep conversation with Australian guest David Tensen. David shares a provocative viewpoint on decentering God from one's life and discusses the symbolic concept of the Trinity as a non-centralized entity. We explore notions of deep spiritual maturity, deconstruction of religious belief systems, and the importance of eldership. The episode further discusses how to experience personal transformation through retreats like Dash Away Weekends and closes with a reflective poem by David. The overarching theme emphasizes the importance of embracing unity with Christ, letting go of dogmatic constructs, and finding freedom in spiritual growth.   00:28 Episode 166: Part Two with David Tensen 01:15 Upcoming Dash Away Weekends Retreat 02:32 David Tensen on Decentering God 04:37 Understanding Union with God 11:31 The Concept of Panentheism 14:07 Deconstruction and Decentering in Faith 19:12 Maturity and Letting Go of Constructs 22:58 Navigating Personal Beliefs and Open-Mindedness 24:47 The Role of Love and Guidance in Healing 25:18 Decentering the Need for Change 26:40 The Impact of Social Media on Judgment and Arguments 29:37 Companioning and Grieving 32:58 Embracing Mystery and Uncertainty in Faith 35:45 The Value of Diverse Perspectives 37:41 Closing Reflections and Poetry 39:47 Final Thoughts and Farewell   To learn more about David's work: https://davidtensen.com/  

In this episode, we discuss important shifts, including the transition from 'Face to Face Ministries' to 'Face to Face Network'. We had an excellent conversation with David Tensen, an Australian philosopher, teacher, chaplain, and poet, known for his profound insights into eldering and inner healing. David shares his journey through advanced pastoral care, internal healing methods, and his new book, 'Decenter Everything'. The conversation delves into why decentering is essential, especially the critical distinction between centering God versus our construct of God. David also touches on the Life Model's stages of human development, and the urgent need to embrace eldering in a world stuck in adolescent and early adulthood stages. Tune in for part two to explore deeper into the concept of decentering God.   00:32 Exciting Changes and New Beginnings 01:15 Rebranding to Face-to-Face Network 02:05 The Vision and Philosophy Behind the Network 04:16 Challenges with the Term 'Ministries' 06:48 Upcoming Events and Website Changes 07:29 Introducing Our Guest: David Tenson 10:37 David Tenson's Background and Work 22:53 Reflecting on Ministry and Personal Challenges 23:48 Discovering the Life Model 24:35 Experiencing Burnout and Transitioning to Academia 26:55 Writing and Publishing 'The Wrestle' 27:42 Introducing 'Decenter Everything' 28:29 Exploring the Life Model Stages 32:39 The Concept of Eldering 37:57 The Call to Decenter Everything 40:41 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions To learn more about David's work: https://davidtensen.com/  

Joni us as our conversation takes a deep dive with guest Hannah Ploegstra, an expert on Gen Z, discussing the unique challenges and strengths of this generation. Hannah shares her personal journey of raising four Gen Z children and explains the generational need for deeper relational skills and connection. Emphasizing compassion and the importance of presence, she articulates ways older generations can support and understand Gen Z, highlighting their potential to bring healing and leadership to the world.  The episode concludes with a hopeful message for Gen Z about their essential role and the healing they can bring to society.   00:00 Introduction to the Face-to-Face Podcast 00:28 Episode 164 Kickoff and Updates 00:38 Dash Away Retreat Recap 01:29 Upcoming Events and Trainings 03:02 Introducing Hannah Ploegstra 03:47 Hannah's Journey with Gen Z 06:40 Challenges and Insights on Gen Z 18:08 Gen Z's Struggles with Technology and Connection 25:27 The Role of Maturity in Guiding Gen Z 25:53 Challenges Faced by Gen Z 27:20 Building Relational Experiences 28:45 The Importance of Presence and Support 29:55 Understanding and Connecting with Gen Z 31:30 Practical Steps to Engage with Gen Z 32:51 The Unique Traits of Gen Z 41:54 A Message to Gen Z 45:07 Closing Remarks and Future Episodes   For more information: https://www.brineknit.com/

Join us today on the Face to Face Podcast as we dive into a profound conversation with guest Cyd Holsclaw on the topic of embodiment and spiritual connection. Discover the importance of being in tune with your body, practical exercises to increase body awareness, and how this awareness impacts your spiritual and emotional health. Learn more about the Immanuel Approach, the significance of healthy attachments, and the joy of Jesus' presence in our lives. Don't miss out on valuable insights and practical advice that can transform your relationship with yourself and God. For more info visit: https://www.cydholsclaw.com/ 00:00 Welcome and Introduction 00:32 Updates 01:02 Immanuel Institute Announcement 02:01 Upcoming Events and Registration Details 03:24 Introduction to Cyd Holsclaw and Embodiment 03:39 Practical Ways to Connect with Your Body 07:15 Understanding Attachment and Nervous System 17:13 Building Healthy Attachment with Jesus 22:31 Understanding Healthy Attachments 22:52 Exploring Emotional Landscapes 25:10 The Role of Parts in Spiritual Experiences 31:13 Embracing Emotions as Gifts 37:28 Resources and Final Thoughts      

Join hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little on the Face-to-Face Podcast as they dive deep into the importance of living an embodied life with guest Cyd Holsclaw. Discover the interconnectedness of body, mind, and spirit, and explore how our faith roots in our physical forms. From nervous system regulation to Jesus' incarnation, this episode offers insights on embracing our bodies fully.  00:32 Meet Our Guest: Cyd Holsclaw 00:56 Upcoming Events and Announcements 02:51 The Importance of Living Embodied 04:00 Understanding Embodiment and Faith 12:51 Misinterpretations of Scripture on the Body 16:18 Practical Examples of Embodied Living 21:14 Recognizing Unconscious Patterns 21:49 The Role of Relationships in Self-Awareness 22:39 Imagining Your Ideal Life 23:26 Compassionate Self-Exploration 25:01 Understanding and Honoring Survival Strategies 26:43 The Concept of Parts 34:41 Implicit vs. Explicit Memory 37:09 The Importance of Embodiment 41:38 Conclusion and Upcoming Content For more information or to contact Cyd: https://www.cydholsclaw.com/

In this episode, we continue our conversation with Michael Sullivant who is addressing the pressing issues of church victimization and the celebrity culture within religious communities. Discover practical steps for aiding victims, rebuilding trust, and experiencing genuine spiritual healing through the Immanuel Approach. Learn more about Michael at radiusministries.org   00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:28 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Events 03:22 Introducing Michael Sullivant 03:26 Addressing Scandals in Christian Ministries 12:15 Creating Safe Church Cultures 20:52 Embracing Weakness and Finding Strength 21:14 The Rhythms of Spiritual Life 22:03 High Energy Ministries and Nervous System Health 23:42 The Importance of Lament 26:00 Joy and Peace Amidst Sorrow 27:25 Creating Healthy Church Cultures 33:09 Offering Hope to the Victimized 36:24 Resources and Training Opportunities 37:57 Conclusion and Final Thoughts    

In this episode, we discuss upcoming Dash Away events and training in the Immanuel Approach, and welcome back guest Michael Sullivant. Michael shares his experiences and thoughts on addressing recent scandals in major Christian ministries, the importance of mental health in discipleship, and how to build safer church communities rooted in humility and agape love. Tune in for an insightful conversation on creating accountable and loving church environments.   Learn more about Michael at radiusministries.org   00:00 Introduction to the Face to Face Podcast 00:29 Exciting Announcements and Upcoming Events 01:19 Introducing Michael Sullivant 04:58 Michael Sullivant's Journey and Life Model Works 08:55 Understanding Neurotheology 16:44 Addressing Scandals in Christian Ministries 26:46 Creating Safe Church Cultures 35:30 Conclusion   

In this episode, Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little welcome listeners to the new year, 2025, with exciting updates and personal reflections. They discuss the significance of rest during winter, share holiday experiences, and introduce the Immanuel Approach workshop. Instead of a guest, they offer a gift - a group Immanuel encounter to connect more deeply with Jesus. The episode is filled with warmth, joy, and practical insights on spiritual growth.   In today's episode: New Year's Reflections Holiday Highlights Upcoming Workshop Announcement"Is the Immanuel Approach Right for Me?" - Monday, Jan 13th at 1pm ET Live via Zoom Register at immanueltraining.com/register A gift: A group Immanuel Approach Exercise20 Minute Immanuel Encounter led by Melinda

In this episode, hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little welcome Katie Skurja, founder of Imago Dei Ministries, for an insightful discussion on the intersection of spirituality, psychology, and inner healing. Katie shares her journey from marriage and family therapy to discovering the transformative power of inner healing. She explains the concept of the "diamond inside" each person, representing innate value and the image of God, and uses metaphors like a peanut M&M to illustrate how shame and outward appearances can obscure this value. Katie delves into her experiences with guiding both believers and non-believers towards understanding their intrinsic worth and the light within them. She emphasizes the importance of seeing through the eyes of Christ to recognize the inherent goodness in others, regardless of their current state or past actions. Learn more about our guest, and Imago Dei Ministries at idmin.org

In this episode your hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little engage in a deep, thought-provoking conversation with Tara Boothby, a registered psychologist and author of 'Love and Love's Energy'. Join us as we delve into the profound connection between attachment theory and Jesus' love. Tara shares her journey from aspiring camp director to psychologist, the importance of emotional awareness, and the concept of 'love energy.' We explore the transformative power of accepting and expressing emotions, and how understanding attachment styles can lead to deeper, more fulfilling relationships with ourselves and others. Plus, Tara offers practical advice on starting your own journey towards self-compassion and emotional health. Don't miss out on this enriching conversation filled with wisdom, vulnerability, and actionable insights that can help you experience true and lasting transformation in your life.

In our latest episode, join us as we dive into Part 2 of our insightful conversation with Felicia Murrell.  Don't miss this episode where Felicia shares her profound journey, discusses the unity of body, spirit, and soul, and talks about the importance of curiosity in faith. This episode is rich with wisdom, spiritual revelations, and heartfelt conversations that will inspire and challenge you. Plus, stay updated with the latest from Face to Face Ministries and find out how you can get involved in their transformative trainings and upcoming events. Subscribe, give us a 5-star rating, and leave a review if you enjoyed the episode! feliciamerrell.com

In this episode, we are thrilled to present Part 1 of our conversation with the ever delightful Felicia Murrell. Felicia is a spiritual companion, speaker, and author, who brings profound insights into the journey of embracing one's true self and understanding the transformative power of Love, with a capital L. Tune in as she shares her perspective on healing, embodying our true selves, and the cosmic okay-ness of being authentically present in our lives. Her wisdom and warmth are captivating. We know you're going to love her! feliciamerrell.com Be sure to grab a copy of her book "And: The Restorative Power of Love in an Either/Or World" 

In this episode, hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little are joined for Part 2 with Josh Hoffert for an in-depth discussion on the Desert Fathers and Mothers. The conversation explores the ancient practice of retreating into the desert to find spiritual solitude and experience inner healing. Josh shares insights from his research and his book, "Silent Fire: The Collection," offering practical wisdom on how modern listeners can incorporate these spiritual disciplines into their busy lives. The episode delves into the transformative power of solitude, the importance of community, and the profound benefits of letting go of distractions to connect more deeply with God. The discussion is both informative and practical, providing listeners with actionable steps to enhance their spiritual journey. "Silent Fire: The Collection" is available at Wind Ministries

In this episode, hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little reconnect with one of their previous guests, Josh Hoffert. They discuss the significance of having a healed heart, connecting deeply with Jesus, and fostering true and lasting transformation. Josh shares insights from his personal journey, his experiences with Streams Ministries, and the founding of Wind Ministries. They delve into topics such as confronting personal trauma, the differences between secular and Christian approaches to emotional maturity, and reestablishing vibrant, loving Christian communities that embody the teachings of Jesus. Join the conversation for valuable lessons on spiritual growth and emotional health. Check out Josh's new book "Silent Fire: The Collection" available at Wind Ministries.

In this episode of the Face to Face Ministries podcast, hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little introduce guests Mike and Ruth Jones from the UK. Mike, an English vicar, and Ruth, a Northern Irish inner healing minister and coach, share their experiences and the work they are doing in Luton, England. The conversation covers a variety of topics including the Jones' personal journeys of healing from trauma, their incorporation of brain science and relational skills in ministry, and their unique international church context. They also discuss specific methods and tools they use for inner healing, such as the HeartSync model and Life Model skills, sharing compelling stories of transformation. The episode closes with a mention of Ruth joining the pool of available prayer ministers on the Face to Face Ministries website, offering services like joy skills coaching and HeartSync sessions.

In this episode of the Face to Face Ministries podcast, hosts Melinda Wilson and Cathy Little engage in an in-depth conversation with Paul Young, the author and thought leader known for his profound insights into faith, love, and redemption. The discussion delves into Paul's perspective on heaven and hell, the nature of death, and the transformative power of love and reconciliation. Drawing from personal stories and theological reflections, Paul offers a moving and enlightening view of what it means to heal and find hope beyond our earthly experiences. Don't miss this inspiring episode filled with wisdom, vulnerability, and powerful narratives.

All physical healing is temporary. Even raising the dead is temporary... what do you think would be more important? to be physically healed of a malady or learn how to stay present." - Paul Young Join us for another powerful conversation with our friend, and the author of bestselling book, The Shack, Wm. Paul Young. Paul always brings the gold and this episode is no exception. We talk about what he calls, "future tripping" and the power of learning to stay in the grace of just one day (which is not easy to do!). He also talks about his relationship with epilepsy which has been with him for the past few years. Paul recently started his own podcast which we both absolutely LOVE. He is releasing 12-15 minute episodes twice a week. Check it out at paulyoungpodcast.com

We are back from a 5 month hiatus with guest, Jill Wolf, who has been helping bring the vision Face to Face Ministries carries to the next level. Jill joined the team in July 2023 as Program Designer, helping us build out our CORE training program which is raising up healthy heart healers with proficiency in the Immanuel Approach. She is now our acting Executive Director. In this episode you will get to know her and hear some of her personal healing journey. Also, find out what the team has been buildling on top of what they have already built over the past 9 months. We hope you will get excited about what is coming next week as we invite you to embark on and dive more deeply into your own healing journey! Join us May 13-17, 2024 for the Connect with Jesus Challenge online event. https://immanueltraining.com/challenge

We had the privilege of joining nearly 60 Immanuel Approach Prayer ministers last week ministering to over 450 InterVarsity Staff members at their conference in Orlando. While there, we were interviewed in front of our peers by Nate Harkness, a fellow Immanuel Prayer minister who is the Director of International Ministries at World Discipleship Association in Fayetteville, GA. As hosts of this show, you get to hear bits and pieces from us as we interview others, but it's not often we share our hearts to the extent we do in this episode. In this conversation, you will learn some of the things we're passionate about.  For more about us, the Immanuel Approach, and how we are raising up people to help others connect with Jesus, please join us Jan 22-26, 2024 for the Connect Others with Jesus Challenge Sign up up at immanueltraining.com/Challenge.

Join us for Part 2 of our intriguing conversation with author and teacher, Steve McVey, as he shares insights from his latest book trilogy - "Quantum Life," "Quantum Faith," and "Quantum Prayer." Discover the limitless possibilities of life as you delve beneath the surface and find a deeper appreciation for a God who is pure love and who invites us to be part of advancing his kingdom on earth. Prepare to be amazed by the wonders of quantum living and the boundless nature of our Creator and get a new perspective of the God you thought you knew. Grace Walk Experience Grace Walk Resources

Embark on a transformative journey with Steve Mcvey from Grace Walk Ministries as he guides us to see theology through a more accurate lens. In this illuminating podcast, Steve unveils the richness of the gospel, inviting listeners to discover its profound depth and beauty. Join us to explore a perspective that reveals just how much better the gospel is than we've ever known, and let Steve Mcvey inspire a fresh understanding of grace and theology. Grace Walk Experience Grace Walk Resources

Our guests in today's episode are both doctors of psychology and the founders of Soul Shepherding. Together they have trained thousands of pastors, spiritual directors, leaders, missionaries, and coaches. Bill and Kristi Gaultiere have a huge heart not just for leaders, but for everyone in general to experience greater freedom and healing in their lives. We also talk about their new book, "Healthy Feelings, Thriving Faith: Growing Emotionally and Spiritually Through the Enneagram" where they explore the beautiful and powerful tool, the Enneagram, in the context of spiritual direction and Jesus-Centered psychology. Soul Shepherding Website

In today's episode, hosts Cathy and Melinda share some of their "why" behind what they do. What drives their passion for you to know and experience Jesus in a tangible way? How can an interactive connection with him literally change your life? What are some of the practical ways that the Immanuel Approach tools can be woven into your day-to-day life? Join them for a heartfelt discussion, and join them for the Connect Others with Jesus Challenege, October 2-6, 2023. Hear more about the model and how they are raising up heart healers through a new training program designed to help you become proficient with the tools. Join the Connect Others with Jesus Challenge

"Faith is not intellectual. It is experiential. It is Transformational - not Transactional." "God showed up? No - YOU showed up. He is already here!" "You can't give away what you don't have. I was giving away fear, shame, doubt, unworthiness, feeling alone, powerless - these were false identities. If you can say "I am" in front of it, it's an identity." "Jesus came to usher in the Kingdom of God, not create Christianity." These are just a few of the gems from our guest, Donna Winship, who with her husband, Jamie, founded Identity Exchange. They are committed to "helping unlock the transformative power of knowing your true identity."  This conversation is rich with personal story and revelation that is bringing freedom and healing to many as they step into who they truly are, and understand more of who God is and how he feels about them.  Learn more about Donna and Jamie at identityexchange.com. And get Jamie's new book, Living Fearless, available now on Amazon.    

"When you have separation at the foundation of your theology, then retribution is part of your paradigm." "A God who looks away will create sons and daughters that can justify looking away. And a God who punishes will create leaders who are justified in punishing - and it's going to create bullies." "You can't flip a table (referencing Jesus in the Temple) if you're not willing to lay your life down for the person on the other side of the table. This is what we are missing. It becomes 'us' and 'them.' But, Jesus died for the person on the other side of the table." Welcome back for Part 2 of our paradigm shifting conversation with author and relational theologian, Jason Clark. We are exploring some things in this conversation that may potentiall bother you, but they may also resonate deeply with you. Our invitation is to ask Jesus for yourself. It is safe to ask questions. At the end of the day, let greater love be your compass. More about Jason at afamilystory.org Be sure to catch his podcast, "Rethinking God with Tacos" available on all platforms @jasonclarkis on all the socials Grab your copy of Leaving and Finding Jesus today.

Desparation (being 'desparate' for God) is often considered a high water mark for Christendom. But  as Jason quotes speaker and author, Graham Cooke, "A relationship where the son is always desparate for the father is dysfunctional." We're going deep with our friend, Jason Clark, whom you may remember from Episode 105 in our podcast. Jason will shake your theology in a good way as he challenges us to explore what it means live out of our union with God. The invitation is yours to step into the great freedom that comes from realizing that God never leaves. He is always with us. He is continually reconciling all things to himself. We may not always be aware, but we are invited to awaken. Plus, we've all probably looked at the Parable of the Sower through the lens of wanting to be good soil... but what if it's more about the sower and the seed? Hang on for a paradigm shift! Don't miss part 2 coming soon! Find more from Jason at afamilystory.org, and @jasonclarkis on all the socials. Check out his new book, "Leaving and Finding Jesus" available on his website and at Amazon.com and his podcast "Rethinking God with Tacos," available on all platforms.  

"If you want to learn something, watch someone do what you want to learn. As you watch. your brain will begin downloading and copying, changing like the person who is demonstrating. You will start demonstrating the skill simply by watching. "When you engage with the living presence ofJesus, the right hemisphere of your brain is watching Jesus. Your brain is literally becoming more like the mind of Christ." In Part 2 of our recent conversation with Dr. Karl Lehman, MD, hear the how and why behind InterVarsity embracing The Immanuel Approach for all their staff and students. You'll also learn some brain science about the fascinating power of mirror neurons. Be sure to listen to the front of this podcast as Cathy and Melinda share some important opportunities ahead for the ministry, and how you can be part of it. Thank you for being part of our podcast family!

"When it comes to improving mental and emotional health: What if you could make it more efficient? What if you could make it more gentle? What if you could make it consistently and predictably more effective?" Join us for another conversation with our mentor, Dr. Karl Lehman MD, founder of The Immanuel Approach, as we take a look at this model from a much bigger perspective. The Immanuel Approach is not just about inner healing. That is simply one item on the buffet. It's also about spiritual formation, true discipleship, developing greater discernment, receiving comfort directly from Jesus, learning how to interact with and process things with Jesus, and practice more powerful intercession. It's about friendship with Jesus and becoming more like him. If you have experienced a life-changing encounter with the living presence of Jesus, Dr. Karl also shares with you how you can help get the word out. For more conversations with Dr. Karl, see Episodes 13, 14, & 93. Learn more about The Immanuel Approach at immanuelapproach.com and on our website, facetofaceministries.org.