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For the Sake of the Argument with Lori Goldman
by Distill Social
On For the Sake of the Argument, Lori Goldman sits down with Michigan’s elected officials to talk policy, real life, and ask the kinds of questions that make press secretaries sweat. For the Sake of the Argument is a Distill Social production.
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Donavan McKinney Wants Detroit to Have Better Representation
Donovan McKinney, candidate for Michigan's 13th Congressional district, discusses his primary challenge against Rep. Shri Thanedar, his views on foreign policy and ICE, democratic socialism, and more.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The Michigan Socialist Running for State House with Chris Gilmer-Hill
Chris Gilmer-Hill joins Lori to discuss problems facing Michigans 8th state house district, Him and Lori discuss DTE's corrupt influence, MICARE, and a vision for a better Democratic party Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Don Ufford on Rebuilding the Working Class
Don Ufford, candidate for Michigan's 11th House District, joins the show to discuss his campaign for Congress, his critique of the Trump administration, his rejection of corporate PAC money, and more. Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Is the US Nearing Dictatorship? with Shadia Martini
Shadia Martini joins Lori to discuss and compare whats happening in the US to her childhood home in Syria under Assad. Martini is running for State Senate and has ideas for how we combat Michigans growing data center problem, DTE, and the housing crisis.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Rima Mohammed on the Direction of the Democratic Party
Rima Mohammed, member of the Ann Arbor School Board, joins the show to discuss her position on the board, the work of the People's Coalition, being an organizer in today's political environment, what makes her hopeful for the future, and much more.Support the People's Coalition: https://www.ourpeoplescoalition.com/Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Barb Byrum on Protecting Michigan Elections
Barb Byrum speaks on her experience administering elections, how we can protect Michigan elections from federal overreach, why she is running for Secretary of State, how she feels about Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist II joining the race, and more.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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How Can State Legislators Resist Trump's ICE with Stephanie Chang
Michigan State Senator Stephanie Chang (SD-3) joins Lori to talk about what state legislators can do to resist ICE, CBP plate readers across the state, and building political will to pass comprehensive immigration reform.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Carrie Rheingans on Reforming Healthcare & Abolishing ICE
Michigan State Representative Carrie Rheingans talks about her MiCare initiative which would stand to reform our broken healthcare system in this country and abolishing ICE.
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Andy Levin on How the Democratic Party Can Improve
Former Representative Andy Levin joins the show to discuss the Democratic Party's future, the politics of labor and the environment, and what his plans are for the future. Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Kyle Blomquist on Running in Northern Michigan
Kyle Blomquist joins the show to discuss his campaign for Congress in MI-1 (northern Michigan), his support for Medicare for All and other progressive priorities, and much more.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Justin Onwenu on Delivering Economic Justice to Michigan
Justin Onwenu, Detroit Director of Entrepreneurship and Economic Opportunity and former organizer for One Fair Wage, discusses his run for the 1st State Senate District in Michigan. Onwenu talks about his experience working for the city, his top issues for the state legislature, how he would curtail the power of DTE in Lansing, and much more.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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State Rep. Kristian Grant Breaks Down the Housing Crisis
Michigan State Rep. Kristian Grant (HD-82) joins the show to talk about housing affordability, building on-ramps and off-ramps for the housing market, safety considerations for housing construction, and what Democrats should be focused on moving forward.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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State Rep .Natalie Price Discusses Her Minnesota Visit
Today, Lori is joined by Michigan State Representative Natalie Price as she details her harrowing visit to Minnesota. Price speaks about her experience witnessing the ICE occupation, what the Michigan state legislature can do to stop things here from getting that bad, and what individuals can do to help those in our communities.
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Abraham Aiyash Wants to Make Life in Michigan More Affordable
Lori is joined by Abraham Aiyash to talk about his bid for Michigan Senate district. Find out his top three legislative priorities as well as some insider information on just how deep the DTE rot goes throughout the Michigan legislature.
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Mai Xiong Talks Defunding ICE and Her Controversial Detroit Autoshow Dress
State Representative Mai Xiong joins Lori on today's episode to chat about ICE's recent abuses and how she's taking a unique stand. She also shares her families harrowing refugee story and how that has shaped her and her politics.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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RERUN: Democrats & Disillusion with State Senator Mallory McMorrow
This episode was first aired on July 29, 2025State Senator and candidate for US Senate in Michigan Mallory McMorrow joins the show to discuss her time as a state senator, how she plans to reach voters from now through 2026, her stance on universal healthcare, and what Democrats should be doing to reclaim power throughout the country. Follow the show on all social media: https://linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Can Christina Hines Replace John James in MI-10?
Christina Hines, candidate for Michigan's 10th Congressional District, joins the show to talk about the major issues facing Michigan, including healthcare costs, billionaires meddling in politics, Trump's mass deportation effort, and more. In addition, Hines offers her view on Trump's illegal abduction of Nicolas Maduro. Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The Threat of Christian Nationalism with Joanna Whaley
Joanna Whaley, candidate for Michigan State House District 2, joins the pod to discuss her time in the Evangelical church, how her transgender identity plays a role in her faith, the economic issues facing House District 2, and growing the threat of Christian nationalism. Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The Injustice of ICE with Miriam Stone
Miriam Stone joins the show to discuss the kidnapping of her brother, Ernesto, by ICE. If you want to help Miriam's family, visit their GoFundMe page. GoFundMe: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-bring-ernesto-home-to-his-wife-and-child
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The Saline, MI Data Center and DTE's Influence with AG Dana Nessel
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel joins the show to discuss the data center being constructed in Saline without public input, its effects on the local community, the redactions in the contract, and how we can push back.www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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RERUN: Diagnosing America's Ills with Dr. Abdul El Sayed
This is a rerun of my interview with Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, originally released on 8/19/2025.Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, candidate for US Senate in Michigan, joins the show to discuss Medicare for All, his positions on foreign policy, what it takes to represent the people in a corrupt political system, and much more.If you enjoy the show, please support us on social media: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The Race for Michigan's 35th Senate District with Dr. Pamela Pugh
Dr. Pamela Pugh joins the show to discuss her experience on the Michigan Board of Education, her reasoning behind running for the vacant Senate district, her qualifications for office, and much more.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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AI Data Centers & Dismantling Corporate Power with Christy McGillivray
Note: No episode coming next week!Christy McGillivray, Executive Director of Voters Not Politicians, joins the show to discuss corporate money in politics, the ballot petition VNP is working on to stop it, the problem of AI data centers in Michigan, and much more. Support the petition: www.mopupmichigan.orgSupport the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The American Dream is Dead with William Lawrence
William Lawrence, a Democratic candidate for Michigan's 7th Congressional District, joins the show to talk about the failures of Representative Tom Barrett, William focuses on affordability, Medicare for All, and so much more. Support the show here: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The Importance of a Resilient Attorney General with Karen McDonald
Karen McDonald, Oakland County Prosecutor, former judge, and candidate for Michigan Attorney General, joins Lori to discuss what she sees as the biggest problems facing Michiganders, dealing with accusations of "lawfare", her position on corporate money in politics, protecting Michigan from federal overreach, and much more.If you want to support the show, be sure to follow on all platforms! www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Protecting Michigan's Elections with Deputy Secretary of State Aghogho Edevbie
Apologies for the missed episode last week, we had a scheduling issue, but we are back this week with another interview!Aghogho Edevbie, Michigan's Deputy Secretary of State and candidate for Secretary of State, joins the show to discuss his qualifications for promotion, his plans for the office if he wins next year, threats to Michigan's democracy, and much more. If you want to support the show, check us out on social media: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargumentLori's book: http://www.fffbook.net/
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How Unions Benefit the Classroom with Terrence Martin
Terrence Martin, President of the American Federation of Teachers in Michigan, joins the show to discuss the biggest issues facing Michigan schools, attacks on Michigan teachers, and the importance of unions broadly. Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargumentTerrence's show: https://www.youtube.com/@browncouchbruhz313
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Reviving the Democratic Party with Curtis Hertel
Michigan Democratic Party Chair Curtis Hertel joins the show to discuss the present state of the Democratic Party, how MI Democrats are pushing back on Trump, what Democrats missed in 2024, and how we can remain optimistic in this era. Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The Harsh Realities of American Politics with Rep. Laurie Pohutsky
TRIGGER WARNING: Discussions of sexual and physical violenceMichigan Representative Laurie Pohutsky (D-17) joins the show to discuss her career so far, her view on the intraparty debate for the Democrats, the various ways in which she has been threatened as a public official, and how women should be prepared to engage with politics.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Fighting for Gaza with Huwaida Arraf
Huwaida Arraf, a human/civil rights attorney and participant in a recent humanitarian flotilla headed to Gaza, joins the show to discuss her experience being detained by the IDF, the moral urgency of fighting for an arms embargo, and how our political decisions on the issue of Israel & Gaza should reflect the will of the voters. Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The Urgency of Fighting Authoritarianism with Attorney General Dana Nessel
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel joins the show to discuss her ongoing battles with the Trump administration, the necessity of fighting authoritarianism, her controversial prosecutions in Michigan, and where she sees herself after she exits the role of AG in 2027.Support the show: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Catching a Vibe & Revitalizing Democracy with Jeremy Johnson
Jeremy Johnson, host of the Head in the Office Podcast, joined to discuss how he sees so-called "new media," where he thinks the Democratic Party has failed, the shortcomings of our Democracy, the Michigan US Senate race, and much more. If you enjoy the show, follow on all platforms: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargumentCheck out Jeremy's podcast here: www.linktr.ee/headintheoffice
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A New Generation of Leaders with Mason Pressler
Mason Pressler, school board member for Bay City Public Schools, joins the show to discuss his journey in politics as the youngest elected official in Michigan, the path forward for the Democratic Party, the politics of Gen Z, and so much more. Support the show here: www.linktr.ee/pointofdisorderpod
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Funding Michigan Schools with Jamilla Martin
Jamilla Martin, an activist at 482 Forward, joins the show to discuss the Invest in MI Kids ballot proposal, the chronic underfunding of Michigan schools, the importance of taxation to fund public services, and much more. If you want to support the show, follow on all social media: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Diagnosing America's Ills with Dr. Abdul El-Sayed
Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, candidate for US Senate in Michigan, joins the show to discuss Medicare for All, his positions on foreign policy, what it takes to represent the people in a corrupt political system, and much more. If you enjoy the show, please support us on social media: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Creating a Better Future for Our Kids with MI Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson
Michigan Secretary of State, and candidate for Governor in Michigan, Jocelyn Benson joins the show to discuss how she balances all of her responsibilities, her plans as a candidate for Governor, and what Michigan needs to do to become a place where everyone can thrive. If you want to support the show, check out more here: www.linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Winning the Working Class with Pontiac City Councilman Mikal Goodman
Pontiac City Councilman Mikal Goodman joins the show to discuss his election as a 21 year old in city government, what democratic socialism means to him, where the Democratic Party has failed, and what we can do to win back working class voters. If you want to support the show, follow on all platforms here: www.lintr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Democrats & Disillusion with State Senator Mallory McMorrow
State Senator and candidate for US Senate in Michigan Mallory McMorrow joins the show to discuss her time as a state senator, how she plans to reach voters from now through 2026, her stance on universal healthcare, and what Democrats should be doing to reclaim power throughout the country. Follow the show on all social media: https://linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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Defending Michigan & Fighting Trump with Washtenaw Prosecutor Eli Savit
Eli Savit, the Prosecuting Attorney for Washtenaw County and candidate for Michigan Attorney General in 2026, joins Lori to discuss protecting Michigan from Trump, the major issues facing prosecutors, Eli's experience in the legal world, and what he would do as AG. If you enjoy the show, be sure to follow us everywhere!https://linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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The Race for Governor with Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist II
Lt. Governor of Michigan, and candidate for Governor, Garlin Gilchrist II joins Lori to talk about his experience as Lt. Gov., what he would do as Governor, how he would take on corporate power, how he would manage divided state politics, and much more. Make sure to follow me on social media: https://linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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What is Democratic Socialism? with Rep. Dylan Wegela
Lori is joined by Michigan House Representative Dylan Wegela (D-26) to talk about democratic socialism, life as a representative, the drama of Lansing, and much more.Be sure to follow the show on all platforms!
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Welcome to For the Sake of the Argument!
Lori sits down with Julie to discuss their reasons for political engagement, their experiences running Fems for Dems, what to expect out of this podcast, and much more.Find us on all platforms here: https://linktr.ee/forthesakeoftheargument
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
On For the Sake of the Argument, Lori Goldman sits down with Michigan’s elected officials to talk policy, real life, and ask the kinds of questions that make press secretaries sweat. For the Sake of the Argument is a Distill Social production.
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