Iconic or Ironic

Hopefully you like Bailey’s way too in depth track-by-track album analyses because we’re back with another for Noah Kahan’s The Great Divide—an album that can best be summed up with this emoji: 🥺. But that’s not all!! There’s also discussion of our perhaps problematic renaissance of Winnie the Pooh as adults sans children, the ‘womaning’ of Lena Dunham, and this summer’s reading trends. Also, Bailey introduces homework to the podcast! We promise we'll keep it fun though.

Title really says it all. As medium-level Harry Styles’ fans (not quite Harries), we obviously had to do a track-by-track analysis of HS4. Bailey attempts (but fails) at a concise review of The Oscars. And Cara provides some slightly belated recs for Trans Rights Readathon! Now stop listening to podcasts and go dance with your friends🕺🕺

A little late on the Olympic drama (blame Bailey, as usual🙄) but oh, what a time for American patriotism🇺🇸🦅 No irony here at all!🙂‍↔️😉 (We do of course support the Team USA women carrying the medal count though—not surprising💪♀️⚡) The Olympics obviously call for a sports romance segment with Cara’s Current Reads❤️‍🔥🏒👬⛸️👭 And this lovely ep is rounded out with a deep dive into upcoming music releases🎧💯, Bailey’s KPop Demon Hunters obsession🎤😈💥(again, late to everything🙄), and some brief discussion on dating reality TV💘🎭📺 Enoyyyyy!

New year, same pod (•̀⤙•́ ) Cara and Bailey are back to discuss only the least important things in in our society •𐃷• such as our collective obsession with the year 2016 (𖦹~𖦹)??, the newest GOT spinoff, Harry Styles’ new album😙🪩,Oscar nom predictions (sorry, Bailey took foreverrrr to edit this🙄—they were predictions at the time, we promise🤞, and new music and books of note in the year of our Lorde, 2026. And featuring a ⚡new⚡segment: ‘Influenced’! Where Bailey and Cara pinpoint how their personal choices and preferences have been shaped by the media they consume😵‍💫👽꩜ Does free will even still exist with today’s algorithms??🧐💭🤔🤔. Well, it must because you are here listening to this podcast and yippee for that! ◝(ᵔᗜᵔ)◜

Perhaps a bit idiotic🫠🥸😵‍💫but let’s not get into all that…Instead, Cara and Bailey recap 2️⃣0️⃣2️⃣5️⃣ and dive into the Christmas season☃️❆🔔☃︎ Lots of wrapping in this episode! From discussing the iconic, underrated “Christmas Wrapping”(and other fav Christmas carols🎷🔔🎺🌟) to rehashing their Wrappeds of Spotify, YouTube, and Fable—oh my!🎁🎁🎁All that and a shit ton more!

Cara and Bailey prolong spooky season🐈‍⬛🕸️🦇(sorry Nov 1st Christmas observers!🙅🏻‍♀️🚫☃︎🎅) with their takes on the most iconic and ironic celebrity halloween costumes🧛‍♀️🧙‍♂️🧟‍♂️, Bailey’s review after finally seeing the cult classic Rocky Horror Picture Show👄👠🎶🏰, and a discussion of their fav scream queens👸🩸📺😈. Cara’s Current Reads📚🐛covers the current and future classics𓂃🖊🕯️📖Bailey trial runs Monotone [🎥Movie✮🍿] Monologues with the crossover no one asked for (Taylor Swift⸆⸉ x Edward Scissorhands✂️🏰❄️🖤) due to not receiving enough recognition on Letterboxd🟠🟢🔵). All this and they manage to mention only two (2) high school classes from over a decade ago!✮📓✐𖦹˖⋆

Tune in to hear Cara and Bailey's deep dive into TS12: The Life of a Showgirl💃🪩💎🎩👠 They share their album release listening experience, initial and current thoughts on the album as a whole, and Bailey's thoughts on Party of a Showgirl🪩💲🎬 Lastly, they grace this lucky audience with a song-by-song analysis—leaving no Easter Egg unturned🥚 (well, maybe a few🥚🥚🥚 There's only so much time). Somehow, Bailey still manages to sneak in a monotone monologue related to a certain track five...No Eldest Daughter or TLOAS haters allowed!🙅‍♀️🙅‍♀️

Taylor provided just a bit of news to inspire this episode’s content, and Bailey and Cara are obviously here to discuss the 🧡news🩵(spoiler alert: it is 💎iconic💎).Of equal importance, they’re here to rehash season 3 of tsitp…2 brothers🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️1 Belly🧍‍♀️—what could go wrong ? In other wrappings up of summer🏖️🔚, Sabrina has graced us all with another short and sweet album (✨yay✨), and The Sound is here to compare and contrast Man’s Best Friend🐶 with the OG Short ‘n’ Sweet🍬 Cara so graciously provides her ✨2025✨edition of fall books she’s excited for🍂📚 (fall pls hurry up), and Bailey monologues on the return of physical media💿🥱 Praying it’s finally fall when Bailey stops talking/the next episode is released, whichever comes first please and thank you🙏⌛

It may not be 🍏Brat Summer™ but rest assured, it’s another pop girlie summer💅Harry Styles is in his “wellness” era👀, Aquaman🌊is here (welcome back Ozzy Osbourne🙏), and Labubu world supremacy may be near👹Bailey and Cara recap the frightening millennial equivalents of Labubus (think: Furby). Cara’s Current Reads include some not-so-current books (shoutout to books from the 2010s🙌). The man, the myth, the legend: Pedro Pascal is this episode’s celebrity spotlight🌶️ Emmy predictions, some CEO taunting😂👉, and music manifesting🙏🙏round out this episode. Iconic❓Iconic🔥

Taylor owns her masters✅ Sabrina owns the male gaze✅ Addison Rae owns a mic❓Bailey and Cara ask the only question that matters: is it iconic or ironic?This episode’s Celebrity Spotlight goes to the Dakota Johnson✨Nepo baby supreme, Razzie winner, shit-shipper, and unexpected literary girlie📖. We reflect on her press tour chaos, her new love triangle movie (featuring Chris Evans and Pedro Pascal, hello?), and why she might be the most iconic mediocre actress alive (respectfully!)Also up for debate:📚  Indie vs. traditional book covers 🎶 Songs of the summer 2025 contenders 🎧 Voice memos in music—can we stop? Please? 👑 Addison: Rae-deeming herself as the new pop girlie? 📀 DCOMs that shaped us (Stuck in the Suburbs, Lemonade Mouth, Princess Protection Program) 💋 Heterofatalism and why Sabrina Carpenter’s BDSM-lite aesthetic is actually kinda subversive (but also… still white feminism)And in case you were wondering—yes, the search for the perfect summer song is still chronic, but this podcast? Always iconic.Until next time, IoIers. 🫶💿

Brought together to witness the angelic🪽music of Lucy Dacus and Katie Gavin, Bailey and Cara reunite in Chicago for a special episode⚡️🕺They reflect on the 20th anniversary* of the Pride and Prejudice film adaption before revisiting it in theaters🎥 (the Keira Knightley version, of course *insert teeth laughing impersonation here🦷😄*). We hope this episode bewitches🧙‍♀️you,👂body🦶and soul❤️‍🔥 and perhaps provides you a bit of comfort even if you’re 27 years old👵🏻with no money🚫💸 and no prospects🚫👩‍❤️‍💋‍👨and you’re a burden to your parents and also—let’s not forget—frightened🫢. Cara provides some anti-recommendations🙅‍♀️🙅‍♀️ for the books/authors she refuses to get on board with (A Little Life, we’re looking at you😒😒), and in honor of Katie Gavin’s solo opener for Lucy, this week’s celebrity spotlight shines on her✨👩‍🦰✨Plus, Bailey monologues on Pitchfork’s fading cultural relevance📉—and their enduring snobbery🧐. Tune in for all that and more…*We did in fact mean 20th anniversary, although we said 10th. But can you blame us for pretending to be in 2015?🫤

Welcome back to another episode where you favorite hosts share the hot🥵 takes no one asked for🤭 We yap about the Oscars, Harry running a whole marathon rather than drop new music, and the microcelebrities we’re oh so proud of (and no, we won’t call them influencers). We stan animated movies that will always reign superior to their live action remakes (shoutout capitalism for the lack of original content🤑), defend romance novels as the cultural reset they are📚❤️‍🔥, and highlight Lady Gaga with our Celebrity Spotlight (Stefanie Germanotta, you will ALWAYS be famous😮‍💨💯). Bailey obviously uses her Monotone Monologue to almost exclusively critique Adrian Brody’s Oscar acceptance speech, and enlightens us all with the distinction between cringe (good) and cheugy (bad). All that and more than you could possibly want on this iconic episode🤸‍♀️💫

Happy 2025!🥳🕺Or is it…Well, we’ll try our best to provide some light in this dystopian world🌎We obviously discuss the “ban” of TikTok (note: this was recorded on 1/18👀) as well as our thoughts on social media overall (spoiler alert: Bailey did delete all her social media👀but you can still follow @iconicorironic_pod on Insta for all pod updates✨). With TikTok tethering on the edge of existence, we had to look back at its iconic predecessor—the one, the only: Vine📹 We also cover our most anticipated books and music releases of 2025 and do a deep dive on the icon, Lucy Dacus (please pray that we get tickets to her tour🙏). Lastly, Bailey declares her love and adoration for Martha Stewart following her viewing of the documentary, Martha💥⚡️All that and more on this iconic episode🪩 Fact checking: The Vine boy group Bailey was thinking of was Magcon (lol). Bailey meant Red Note not Red Book. Mason Ramsey went viral on YouTube, not Vine, after the demise of Vine.

Obviously we had to dedicate basically an entire episode to Wicked’s film adaptation💚🩷 (plus Cara’s Goodreads Choice Awards 2024 coverage📚and our Spotify Wrapped recaps🎧). Tune in for our takes—besides being completely obsessed with it including, of course, Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo’s performances. We’re also shining our Celebrity Spotlight on Cynthia and her incredible career leading up to Wicked. Plus, Bailey’s finally back with something to monologue (quite lengthily) about🤓Get ready to belt your battle cry and join us for all the Wicked fun🧹🫧

Get ready for a 🦃buffet🦃 of topics on this week’s Iconic or Ironic! For this Thanksgiving episode, we’re serving up Grammy predictions, regency romance, a Macaulay Culkin deep dive, and more. Grab your plate, it’s time to dig in🫡🍽️🤤

We're back and bringing seasonal vibes as always🍂🕷 🎃What's October for if not spooky reads, Stephen King appreciation, hyperpop remixes, and 2000s computer game nostalgia? All that and more on this episode of Iconic or Ironic🌚🌝

after ghosting y’all for a bit, we’re back with another episode🫡 we’ve been deep in olympic replays and new girl binges, but now we’re ready to spill on demure tiktok, influencer memoirs, and why artists keep dropping a million album versions (taylor, we’re looking at you👀). we’re shining our celeb spotlight on chappell roan, our midwest princess🌽🫶 and if you’re down for some nostalgia, we’re throwing it back to summer blockbusters like jaws and jurassic park😩🤑 get ready to vibe with all the iconic (and ironic) moments💖✨

After our latest month-long hiatus, we're back and ready to discuss all of the amazing music our pop girlies have blessed us with this summer😇 From Brat to The Secret of Us, we've been busy😌 Tune in to also hear us decode Bridgerton characters' zodiac signs, spotlight our pop queens Sabrina and Chappell, and reminisce about our favorite mermaid content. Get ready for all the iconic (or ironic) moments!✨

We're back with part two of our song-by-song analysis of TS11! This time diving into The Tortured Poets Department: The Anthology. Wondering How Did It End? Tune in to find out.

We've had 3+ weeks to process, and now it's time we share our thoughts on the long awaited TTPD with all our fellow Swiftie listeners🤍 Tune in to hear our overall reactions plus a song-by-song analysis...of the first half of the double album. We had so much to say that we'll be releasing a Part 2 covering The Anthology. So stay tuned!

From the buzz around the new Fantastic Four cast to our current reads, we're back with all the hot takes. We dive into the best Super Bowl ads, make Love Island predictions based on zodiac signs, and shine a spotlight on Usher's career. But most importantly, we discuss the maybe nonexistent love triangle between three of our favorite influencers (Brooke, Connor, and Kat—please tune in!).

Welcome back after our unintentional 2-month hiatus! Tune in for a recap of 2023 including...some of our own highlights, top celebrity moments, and our Spotfiy Wrapped. We celebrate 20 years of Mean Girls and share the 2024 release each zodiac should look out for, plus some pop culture resolutions to liven up your year. 2023 wasn't for me...but 2024 gonna give us some more🫡💫

Covering all things important to October: our favorite spooky movies, the cramming before the end of Spotify Wrapped, this year's go-to Halloween costumes, and in case none of that scares you—the horror of an imperfect female protagonist😱😱

Although we may be ready for fall, we know we can always escape to the islands, courtesy of Jimmy Buffett's discography. In this episode's Celebrity Spotlight, we celebrate the icon's life, music, and legacy. We also discuss the once-forgotten genre of the concert movie, the Disney Channel comeback on the music scene, and Bailey gives a MasterClass in concert etiquette.

Hi Barbie! This episode is devoted to the two cornerstones of girl summer: Greta Gerwig’s Barbie and Taylor Swift’s Era’s Tour—both of which we’ve had the pleasure of experiencing since our last recording💖 We talk all things Barbie—including Barbenheimer, the Barbie dolls as zodiac signs (and no, that b*tch Kelly doesn’t count), and our favorite Barbie animated movies—and debrief our unforgettable experience at the Eras tour, though our words will never do it justice🥲

Happy Pride Month! In this episode, we talk all things pride related. See the links below for content referenced!🌈Block Club: Proud City: Block Club's LGBTQ+ News HubInsider: "259 LGBTQ characters in cartoons that bust the myth that kids can't handle inclusion"Goodreads: "New and Upcoming Books to Discover This Pride MonthBlock Club: "Fashion Designer, Drag Queen Will Be Crowned King And Queen Of Puerto Rican Parade This Week:Slate: "The Dirty Secret of Corporate Pride"Block Club: "Goodbye, ‘Boystown’: After Lakeview Strip Rebranded To Be More Inclusive, Banners Now Welcome Visitors To Northalsted"NBC News: 11 essential drag films from the ‘50s to early aughts to watch this Pride month

It's a very special episode as we're celebrating ONE YEAR of Iconic or Ironic with a live, in-person episode🥳 We're also celebrating the start of Pride month by highlighting some iconic Pride brand campaigns we've seen🌈 In this episode, we give our ill-informed take on Succession, our very informed take on 2000s and 2010s sitcoms, and our now more informed take on Matty and Taylor criticism. Cheers to one year!🥂 Thanks for being here🥰

What would an episode of IoI be without 13+ mentions of TS? And yes, it is quite the time for annoying people as Matty Healy has now entered the chat. We love random years in the late 20th century prior to our existence. Cara guides you to your perfect summer romance read (as told by the stars, of course). And we discuss another queen—Miss Destany Hope (iykyk). If you comment what Taylor tat Bailey should get, maybe you'll hear from us in less than 6 weeks. Wouldn't that be iconic?

In honor of lucky episode number 13, we debrief our Eras era as well as discuss some other characters in the Taylor Swift Cinematic Universe (Jack, Lana, etc.). We also cover the music that has been blessing our ears from some of our other fav queens—the icons of boygenius. We dive into the always relevant topic of hot animated characters as Scorpio Says plays matchmaker between them and the zodiac signs. And many other topics you didn't know were missing from your empty brain space until you listened to this episode✨

We know you were just as impatient for this episode as for Rihanna's first live performance in five years. But wait no more (for Iconic or Ironic—we won't attempt to predict Bad Girl Ri Ri's next return to the stage (well, we will but are undoubtedly wrong)). Also, enjoy our takes on the best past Super Bowl commercials, recap of the Grammys, predictions for the Oscars, and a look at the best new music coming this year (in our opinion). Oh, and our not-so-hot take on how sports fans are just societally acceptable fan girls. Enjoy :) 🏈Go Chiefs - Bailey🏈 (but um let's consider a rebrand?), & 🦅Fly, Eagles Fly - Cara🦅

We know you all are absolutely dying to hear our hot takes of 2022, but the wait is over! Tune in to hear our favorites of last year and predictions for 2023. We also share our pop culture-related resolutions for the new year—both for ourselves and the pod. Cheers to 2023! New year, same pod.

'Tis the damn season to hear even more about our Spotify Wrapped (in case you didn't get enough from our insta stories), Bailey's tirade against the patriarchy in the 1964 claymation classic Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, and a dedication to the tumblr god himself, Matty Healy. Featuring a show of our extensive tswift knowledge (yes, we did deserve those tickets) and a little monologue against the agricultural revolution because why not? (team hunter-gatherers). Whether your holidays are in the spirit of 'tis the damn season or Christmas Tree Farm, we (and Taylor) support your endeavors. Happy holidays :)

Blaming the Eras tour announcement for the lag in publishing this...but in case you're also not quite ready to switch seasonal mentalities and want a little more spooky season content, you're in the right place :) OR, if you listened to our Midnights special ep and are doubting some of our initial analyses...we are too. Tune in to hear our revised takes, analysis, opinions, etc. because there's never enough taylor content.

We love any excuse to talk nonstop tswift for an hour, and we know you’ve been impatiently waiting to hear the oh so hot takes of the experts (us). Enjoy this special edition pod exclusively devoted to TS10 :) and continue falling in love with Midnights🕛🕛🕛

It's the moment we've all been waiting for but now that it's here remember the associated seasonal depression: welcome to fall. We cover all the highs (Gilmore Girls rewatch season, the abundance of fall playlists, autumnal rom-coms) and lows (optional: take a shot every time we say seasonal depression to up the stakes of your listening experience). We also dive into all the ways in which Keke Palmer is an Iconic or Ironic-verified icon and share our very needed takes on the zodiac signs of the Winnie the Pooh characters. happy fall y'all :)**said ironically

Disclaimer: Blame Bailey if this content seems 1.5 weeks old (because it is). You're of course a fellow Swiftie if you listen to this, so it comes as no surprise that we're doing a deep dive into Midnights (if this is the content we can get from a mere announcement just wait till the actual album drops). We talk about our boy Timmy Tim, Barbies vs. Bratz (were you also afraid that Bratz would bully you? Nope, just me?), and the origin for both of our long outgrown superiority complexes: 500 Days of Summer. Oh yeah, and we make fun of Leo (DiCaprio not the fire sign).

We’re back! After a brief hiatus due to Bailey’s European travels (yes, she was one of those annoying Insta follows of the summer—don’t judge), we return to discuss the latest including the Kim K/Pete breakup (but more importantly the mastermind that is Kris Jenner), Jennette McCurdy’s iconic new memoir (spoiler alert), and Bama Rush Tok. We also share our thoughts on some not-so-new trends that Bailey is just getting ahold of, including but not limited to avocado toast and Duolingo—the cons of being a cusper (Zillennial, not astrology sign—though she could be that too). We discuss two queens because we're all about female empowerment (though there’s no debate on the talent levels of these two). And perhaps most enticing, we discuss the infamous 2014 tumblr aesthetic. Curious just how big of tumblr girls we were? Click that play button to find out.

The listeners spoke, and we’re back 2 weeks early :) because we know you need the content :)) In episode 4, we talk the friends to lovers trope of the youth (aka the love lives we didn’t have in high school—can you tell??). We talk hats. Both bucket and of the crazy funky junky variety. We talk the summery chapter book series of our childhoods. And it wouldn’t be an episode of Iconic or Ironic if we didn’t at least briefly talk Jack and Taylor (if you don’t know who we’re referring to, go back to ep 1, you amateur). And did we mention we have a special guest?!?

We’re baaaack and better than ever :) If you’ve stuck around with us this long, ty (all 5 of you). This week we have even more Croc content, a deep dive into the still-vibrant American Girl doll world (especially among Zoomers), and lots of probably not-so-hot Twitter takes. We discuss some flops—both of the social media and flip variety and evaluate the culture reemergence of the porn stache. In honor of pride month, we’re highlighting some of our favorite LGBTQ+ anthems and artists🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ And during this heat wave (thx climate change//boomers), we’re already looking forward to aloof forest wench fall🧙‍♀️

Welcome back to Iconic or Ironic! It’s Memorial Day weekend, and you know what that means…the official start of bicoastal grandmother summer👵🏻🔥 Forget hot girl summer, we’re ready for those blue and white linens that blur the lines between 24 and 74. The aesthetic pairs perfectly with Harry’s House on repeat, your favorite Emily Henry beach read, and what we’ve all been waiting for…the Minion’s soundtrack as the sound of the summer. So grab your spf and aperol spritz and hear our latest takes on what’s iconic or ironic.

Welcome to Iconic or Ironic! Listen to our first episode before you decide which category our pod falls into (pls)…We’ll hit on all aspects of the Zillennial zeitgeist with a focus on this past week(ish). Featuring…music festivals as zodiac signs, a reflection on DCOMs, a sneak peak into what our fyps look like (aren’t you curious?!), and a lot more chatter between us two nobodies who for some reason think we have something to add to the podcast stratosphere. Join us as we definitively decide what’s truly iconic and what’s just ironic (and we’re the former if that wasn’t already clear).