In Conversation

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In Conversation

Raw chats. Real voices. Lessons that hit home.Ever wished you could eavesdrop on the real, unfiltered conversations about money, work, purpose, and figuring life out? This is it.In Conversation is the official podcast by Grownish Woes, where we record honest, phone-call-style interviews with everyday people, entrepreneurs, professionals, and dreamers navigating the mess and magic of adulthood. No fluff — just the highs, lows, and “I wish someone had told me” moments we can all relate to.Whether you're trying to make your next move, build your brand, manage

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    My World of Work: Shene Voster | Property Practitioner

    In this conversation, we sit down with Shene Vorster, a property practitioner and founder of the Young Agents Network, to unpack the realities of the real estate industry and break down how to buy property step by step.From entering a commission-based career at a young age to building credibility without a traditional path, Shene shares her journey — and more importantly, she gives us practical insights every first-time buyer needs to hear.We talk about:How to get started in real estate (even without a degree)What agents actually do behind the scenesThe truth about commission-based workThe biggest misconceptions about buying propertyWhy pre-qualification is your first stepHidden costs you need to prepare forCredit scores, rejection, and fearThe full property buying process (in simple terms)Whether you're thinking about buying your first home, curious about the property industry, or trying to understand how wealth is built through property — this episode is for you.Read the full article on Grownish Woes:Connect with Shene:

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    Road to CA: Anele Dumse | Finance Manager

    In this conversation, we sit down with Anele Dumse, a chartered accountant and finance manager working in the venture capital and impact investing space, for our Road to CA edition.Anele takes us through his journey from studying accounting at UWC and completing his postgraduate studies at UKZN to navigating articles, board exams, and life after qualifying as a CA(SA). He opens up about the pressure of postgrad, failing, rebuilding his confidence, choosing PwC over KPMG, and what it really takes to stay committed to the CA path.We also unpack his transition into financial services, fund administration, advisory, and his current role in impact investing—where finance is not only about numbers, but also about supporting businesses, creating jobs, and making responsible decisions.This conversation is honest, insightful, and encouraging for anyone on the road to CA, considering the profession, or trying to build a career with purpose.

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    The Bar: Kagiso Khoabane | Legal Risk Consultant

    In this conversation, we sit down with Kagiso Khoabane, an admitted attorney whose journey shows that a legal career doesn’t have to follow a straight line.From choosing law as a way to build discipline to navigating the pressures of university, completing his articles across different areas of law, and eventually transitioning into the financial sector, Kagiso shares an honest and insightful look at what it really takes to build a career in law today.This conversation touches on:– The realities of law school and articles– Leadership and personal growth– Working in legal aid and the emotional weight of the profession– Transitioning from law into banking, compliance, and risk– Redefining success and finding your place in the world of workIf you're a student, young professional, or simply figuring things out — this one is for you.

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    My World of Work: Sarah Mathonsi | Aircraft Engineer

    In this conversation, we sit down with Sarah Mathonsi, an aircraft engineer whose journey into aviation began with curiosity, courage, and a willingness to take an unconventional path. From studying diesel mechanics to training in aircraft maintenance, Sarah shares what it really takes to build a career in one of the most demanding and highly regulated industries.We talk about the realities of aviation training, the pressure of working on aircraft, what a day in her role looks like, and the discipline, accountability and confidence needed to thrive in a technical field. Sarah also reflects on being a young woman in a male-dominated space, the lessons she has learned along the way, and why more young people should consider careers in aviation.This is a conversation about growth, resilience and the important work that happens behind the scenes to keep the world moving.

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    The Bar: Youlander Jele Chaz | Admitted Attorney & Director

    In this conversation, we are joined by Youlander Jele Chaz, an admitted attorney, accredited mediator, and founder of her own legal practice. Her journey into law is shaped by resilience, purpose, and a deep desire to build a voice—not only for herself, but for others.From navigating the challenges of self-funded studies to balancing work, articles, and board exams, Yulenda offers an honest and insightful look into the realities of the legal profession. She shares how her understanding of law evolved beyond the courtroom, how she found her niche across multiple areas of practice, and what it took to transition from employee to business owner.This conversation explores the discipline, mindset, and emotional strength required to succeed in law, while also highlighting the importance of faith, independence, and continuous growth.Whether you are a law student, a young professional, or someone building your own path, this episode offers both perspective and practical insight into what it truly takes to thrive.Read her profile article on Grownish Woes:

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    How to Retire: Namubiru Mabusela | Financial Advisor

    In this conversation, financial advisor Namubiru Mabusela discusses the importance of retirement planning for young professionals, emphasizing a life-centered approach to financial wellness. She shares her personal journey into the financial planning field, the barriers young professionals face in planning for retirement, and the essential financial products they should consider. Namubiru also highlights the risks associated with retirement products and the value of working with a financial advisor to navigate these complexities. The discussion concludes with insights on how to adjust retirement plans in response to life changes and the legacy Namubiru hopes to leave in the financial advisory sector.Read her article features here:Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2026/02/20/clarity-calling-career-the-story-of-financial-advocate-namubiru-mabusela/Money Unscripted: https://moneyunscripted.com/how-young-professionals-should-prepare-for-retirement-insights-from-financial-doctor-namubiru-mabusela/

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    Becoming an Intelligent Investor: Talani Ndimande | Wealth Manager

    In this conversation, Talani Ndimande shares insights into the world of finance and investment, emphasizing the importance of understanding the basics of investing, emotional behavior in markets, and the necessity of financial planning for individuals at all stages of life. He discusses the significance of risk profiling, the value of financial designations, and the common mistakes made by investors across different income brackets. The conversation also highlights the role of budgeting, the importance of emergency funds, and the need for realistic financial goals. Talani stresses the importance of accredited financial advice and the need for ongoing financial education, especially in the age of social media.Read article features here:Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2026/02/13/money-mindset-mastery-how-talani-ndimande-built-his-career-in-financial-planning/Money Unscripted: https://moneyunscripted.com/money-mindset-and-mastery-how-talani-ndimande-thinks-about-wealth/

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    My World of Work: Athenea Faye | Clinical Psychologist

    In this conversation, Athenia Faye shares her inspiring journey of reinvention, detailing her transition from corporate environments to clinical psychology. She discusses the impact of limiting beliefs, the importance of education, and the challenges faced during her academic and professional journey. Athenia emphasizes the significance of self-care in the demanding field of mental health and offers insights into her clinical practice, including working with trauma and mental health crises. She encourages listeners to pursue their dreams, highlighting that it's never too late to make a change in life.Prefer reading instead? Read her story on:Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2026/02/06/the-time-will-pass-anyway-athenia-fayes-courageous-path-into-clinical-psychology/

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    Becoming an Intelligent Investor: Rebaabetswe Makhudu | Wealth Manager

    In this conversation, Rebaabetswe Makhudu, a financial planner and wealth manager, shares her journey into the world of financial planning, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's financial goals and the role of a wealth manager. She discusses the challenges faced in the industry, the significance of financial education, and offers practical advice for young professionals looking to build financial confidence. The conversation also covers investment strategies, the necessity of emergency funds, and common financial mistakes to avoid, ultimately highlighting the journey of financial planning as a continuous process.Prefer reading instead? Her two articles are here for you to indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2026/01/30/measure-twice-cut-once-how-reba-makhudu-built-a-career-in-wealth-management/Money Unscripted: https://moneyunscripted.com/money-is-personal-reba-makhudu-breaks-down-investing-for-everyday-south-africans/

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    The Office: Mashudu Mamedzi | Learning & development Specialist

    In this conversation, we chat with Mashudu Mamedzi, a Learning and Development Specialist about the intricacies of Learning and Development (L&D) within organizations, exploring its significance, misconceptions, and the role of psychology. The discussion highlights the differences between training and development, the characteristics of effective leaders, and the importance of psychological safety in workplace culture. It also addresses the necessity of L&D departments and the impact of personal growth and experiences on professional development.Prefer reading instead? Here is an article you can indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2026/01/23/inside-the-world-of-learning-development-mashudu-mamedzis-journey-of-growth-leadership-and-impact/

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    Living With: Edwin Silindi | Mental Health Specialist

    In this conversation, wesits down with Edwin Silindi, who shares his profound journey through nursing and mental health. They explore the importance of treating both the body and mind, the power of forgiveness, and the critical role of family and therapy in mental wellness. Linder emphasizes the need for men to openly discuss mental health issues and the significance of setting boundaries to maintain mental well-being. The discussion also touches on the stigma surrounding therapy in African culture and the necessity for supportive environments in workplaces. Ultimately, the conversation serves as a reminder that mental health is a continuous journey, requiring daily practice and awareness.Prefer reading instead? Here is an article you can indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2026/01/16/why-a-healthy-mind-is-everything-edwin-silinda-on-forgiveness-anxiety-and-mental-wellness/

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    How to Retire: Suzan Ramotshabi: Manager: Retirement Products

    In this conversation, we speak with Susan Ramotshabi, a retirement products manager, about her journey into financial planning, the importance of understanding retirement products, and the emotional intelligence required in retirement administration. They discuss common misconceptions about retirement funds, the significance of contributions, and strategies for individuals at different life stages, including young professionals and those nearing retirement. Susan emphasizes the importance of starting to save early, the impact of financial decisions, and the need for better financial literacy in South Africa.Prefer reading instead? Here is an article you can indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2026/01/09/from-statistics-to-retirement-wisdom-the-story-of-suzan-ramotshabi/Money Unscripted: https://moneyunscripted.com/your-money-your-future-a-guide-to-retirement-products-with-suzan-ramotshabi/

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    My World of Work: Thapelo Moloi | Development Economist

    In this conversation, Thapelo Moloi shares his journey as a development economist, discussing his academic background, the importance of economics in understanding societal choices, and the role of macroeconomic stability. He delves into his educational pursuits, including his MBA and ongoing studies in development finance, emphasizing the significance of ESG in today's economy. Thapelo reflects on his diverse career across various industries and describes his daily life as a development practitioner managing programs for SMMEs.Prefer reading instead? Here is an article you can indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2026/01/02/the-economist-who-builds-economies-inside-the-journey-of-thapelo-moloi/

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    My World of Work: Malose Makhafola | Healthcare & Compliance Administrator

    In this conversation, Malose Makhafola shares his unique journey at the intersection of law, healthcare, and corporate compliance. He discusses the differences between his B.Com in Law and LLB degrees, the challenges he faced during his academic career, including anxiety and imposter syndrome, and how he found his path in healthcare compliance. Malose emphasizes the importance of continuous learning, mentorship, and maintaining balance in a demanding corporate environment. He also highlights the evolving trends in healthcare and compliance, encouraging young professionals to stay informed and adaptable.Prefer reading instead? Here is an article you can indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2025/12/26/the-intersection-of-law-healthcare-and-compliance-malose-makhafolas-story-of-growth-and-resilience/

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    The Bar: Benjamin Tshishiku | Legal Associate

    In this conversation, Benjamin Tshishiku shares his journey into the legal profession, emphasizing the importance of law as a tool for justice and humanity. He discusses his academic background, the challenges of transitioning from theory to practice, and the significance of being admitted as an attorney. Benjamin highlights the differences between corporate law and traditional practice, the impact of the POPI Act, and the excitement and challenges of legal drafting. He also reflects on the qualities that distinguish great lawyers from good ones, addresses common misconceptions about the legal profession, and offers advice for aspiring lawyers. Finally, he shares his future aspirations in law, including pursuing a master's degree and practicing international law.Prefer reading instead? Here is an article you can indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2025/12/19/more-than-the-law-the-humanitarian-heart-of-attorney-benjamin-tshishiku/

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    My World of Work: Shannon Munnick | B-BBEE/ Transformation Specialist

    In this conversation, Shannon Munick, a transformation specialist, shares her journey of personal growth and her insights into the complexities of BEE (Broad-Based Black Economic Empowerment) legislation. She discusses her achievements, the challenges she faces in her role, and the importance of representation in the economy. Shannon emphasizes the necessity of BEE compliance for businesses and shares success stories of transformation. The conversation also touches on the impact of AI in her work, the significance of work-life balance, and her aspirations for the future.Prefer reading instead? Here is an article you can indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2025/12/12/the-power-of-purpose-inside-shannon-munnicks-fearless-journey-in-transformation/

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    The Bar: Sboniso Kheswa | Senior Legal & Risk Leader

    In this conversation, we sit down with Sboniso Kheswa as he shares his journey as a legal practitioner, discussing the challenges and rewards of working in financial services and regulatory law. He emphasizes the importance of commitment and hard work for aspiring lawyers, while also highlighting the evolving landscape of financial services due to technology. Kheswa provides insights into the practical applications of law in corporate settings and the significance of understanding compliance and risk management.Prefer reading instead? Here is an article you can indulge in.Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2025/12/12/the-power-of-purpose-inside-shannon-munnicks-fearless-journey-in-transformation/

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    Self-Made: Nonkululeko Williams | Luminous Era

    In this conversation, we sit down with Nonkululeko Williams, founder of Luminous Era, a proudly South African skincare brand designed for melanin-rich skin. From a small town in Pietermaritzburg to becoming a skincare entrepreneur, Nonkululeko shares her journey of resilience, rediscovery, and purpose.We talk about the myths surrounding SPF and melanin-rich skin, her inspiration behind creating an inclusive skincare line, and how she’s educating communities about the importance of sun protection.Read article on Grownish Woes: https://grownishwoes.co.za/2025/10/17/glowing-with-purpose-how-nonkululeko-williams-is-redefining-skincare-for-melanin-rich-skin/

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    My Top Five: Saatiyah Dante | Lifestyle and Fashion Creator

    In this conversation of My Top Five, we sit down with Cape Town-based lifestyle and fashion creator Saatiyah Dante, whose digital world is all about romanticizing life and finding beauty in the everyday. From leaving her 9–5 job to building a career rooted in storytelling, Saatiyah opens up about her creative journey, faith, and the lessons that keep her grounded.She also shares her Top 5 grounding practices—from setting boundaries and embracing the process to leaning on her support system, her mother’s wisdom, and her unshakable faith. It’s an honest and heartfelt conversation about growth, gratitude, and the power of staying true to yourself in a fast-paced online world.

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    The Office: Noluthando Mgotyibana | Human Resource Manager

    In this conversation, Tshepiso Sishuba sits down with Noluthando Mgotyibana, an HR and payroll professional with over 20 years of experience. From starting out with no knowledge of payroll to leading in human capital management, Noluthando shares her journey of resilience, continuous learning, and adapting to change.She opens up about the misconceptions around HR, the balance between people and policies, and the crucial role of technology in shaping the future of the profession. Whether you’re in HR, payroll, or simply curious about workplace culture and career growth, this episode is packed with insights on leadership, compliance, and navigating a career with purpose.

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    My World of Work: Gugulethu Zwane | Area Manager

    In this conversation, we speak with Gugulethu Zwane, an Area Manager, who takes us through her journey in the retail and fashion industry. She reflects on her academic path, the value of strong leadership, and the often-overlooked human element in retail. Gugulethu also shares the challenges of relocating to a new province, highlighting how resilience and adaptability shaped her career. At the heart of her story is the importance of kindness, mentorship, and recognizing the opportunities the retail sector holds for future leaders.

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    My World of Work: Rilwele Tshikovhi | Geologist

    In this conversation, we sit down with Rilwele Tshikovhi, a geologist whose journey is marked by resilience, persistence, and purpose. From navigating unemployment to carving her path in the oil and gas industry, Rilwele opens up about the realities of her field—the balance between technical expertise and human impact, the power of teamwork, and the importance of continuous growth. She also shares her vision for the future of geology and why community engagement matters just as much as science.

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    My World of Work: Lizah Nyemba Makombore | Academia

    In this conversation, Lizah Nyemba Makombore takes us through her academic journey from Zimbabwe to South Africa and now the United States. She opens up about the realities of navigating academia as a young African scholar — from cultural shifts and imposter syndrome to finding strength in resilience and community. Lizah unpacks why African voices are essential in global conversations around sustainable development and ecological economics, and shares her experience teaching in both South Africa and the U.S., offering thoughtful reflections on student engagement and local context. She also shares advice for aspiring scholars and her hopes for the future of research and policy rooted in justice and relevance.

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    Living With: Mandisa Mtembu | Safeguarding Specialist

    In this conversation, we’re joined by Mandisa Mtembu — safeguarding specialist, youth advocate, and passionate protector of young lives. Mandisa opens up about her personal journey into child protection, the influence of her grandparents, and how her background in psychology informs her work. We unpack the emotional realities of safeguarding, the deep impact of broken trust, and why schools must prioritize practical safeguarding systems. Whether you're in education, youth work, or simply care about the well-being of children, this conversation offers vital insights into why safeguarding should be everyone's responsibility — and how accessible training can make a difference.

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    The Brand: Reneilwe Dinkoanyane | Marketing Manager

    In this Conversation, we sit down with Rene Dinkoanyane, a seasoned marketing and communications professional whose journey from Limpopo to the boardrooms of South Africa tells a powerful story of resilience, creativity, and purpose. Rene shares insights on brand building, navigating the evolving media landscape, and the importance of human connection in every campaign. Whether you’re an aspiring marketer, entrepreneur, or simply curious about the world of branding, this conversation will leave you inspired and motivated to think differently about the stories we tell.

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    Reinventing You: Tshepo Matlou | Execute Coach & Author

    In this conversation, Tshepo Matlou unpacks the power of coaching in both personal and professional growth. From his early experiences as a young leader to becoming a coach, Tshepo emphasizes the importance of emotional intelligence, self-awareness, and a holistic approach to leadership. He challenges common misconceptions about coaching, explores its relevance across all life stages, and reflects on the internal and external battles leaders often face. A thoughtful and insightful conversation for anyone interested in personal development and impactful leadership.

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    The Bar: Lutho Zono | Associate in Employment Specialist

    In this conversation, we sit down with Lutho Zono, an admitted attorney and associate specializing in employment law. Lutho takes us through the intricate journey from law school to admission, sharing the challenges of board exams, the intense demands of articles, the emotional toll of imposter syndrome, and the resilience it takes to thrive in the legal field.From learning how to study smart to understanding the importance of mentorship and workplace balance, Lutho opens up about the lessons that shaped her — not just as a legal professional, but as a young Black woman navigating the corporate legal world.

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    My World of Work: Tlotlo Lekgoba | Data Scientist

    In this conversation, we chat with Tlotlo Lekgoba, a senior data scientist whose work is shaping the future—one algorithm at a time. From her roots in actuarial science to building AI-driven solutions, Tlotlo unpacks the real world of data science beyond the buzzwords. She talks imposter syndrome, mentorship, the skills that matter, and why curiosity is her compass in a fast-changing tech world. Whether you're into data or just curious about the humans behind the code, this episode is for you.

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    My World of Work: Masego Rakoma | Junior Payroll Specialist

    In this conversation, we sit down with Masego Rakoma, a Junior Payroll Specialist, to explore the real world behind payroll. From her unexpected journey into the field to navigating compliance, systems, and people, Masego shares what it truly takes to manage one of the most critical functions in any organisation.She talks about the misconceptions around payroll, the impact of technology, and the soft skills that matter just as much as the technical ones. If you’re curious about a career in payroll or want a deeper understanding of the profession — this episode is for you.

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    My Top Five: Robyn - Lee Maart | Fashion & UGC Creator

    In this conversation, we sit down with fashion enthusiast and content creator Robyn Lee to explore her journey from property law to full-time content creation. Robyn opens up about how fashion became her language of self-expression and confidence, her evolving personal style, and her top winter wardrobe essentials. From the power of outerwear to the impact of accessories, this conversation is filled with insights on embracing authenticity, finding comfort in your style, and dressing for the season you're in—both in life and in fashion.Whether you're building your wardrobe or navigating a creative career path, this episode will inspire you to keep it simple, stay true to yourself, and wear what makes you feel good.

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    My World of Work: Ayanda Bam | Investigations Manager

    In this conversation, we speak to Ayanda Bam, an Investigations Manager with over a decade of experience in ethics, compliance, and financial crime. He shares how he found his path, the challenges of high-stakes investigations, and the advice he has for young professionals pursuing a career in forensic auditing.A powerful conversation on purpose, integrity, and staying grounded in complex environments.

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Raw chats. Real voices. Lessons that hit home.Ever wished you could eavesdrop on the real, unfiltered conversations about money, work, purpose, and figuring life out? This is it.In Conversation is the official podcast by Grownish Woes, where we record honest, phone-call-style interviews with everyday people, entrepreneurs, professionals, and dreamers navigating the mess and magic of adulthood. No fluff — just the highs, lows, and “I wish someone had told me” moments we can all relate to.Whether you're trying to make your next move, build your brand, manage

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