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Interdependent Study
by Interdependent Study
Class is in session. Interdependent Study is about the learning and unlearning work for social justice and collective liberation. Interdependent Study is hosted by Damien Franze, an angry Black man from Baltimore who wears his heart on his sleeve, and Aaron Hood, an angry white man from Florida who is always thinking. We’re two friends who work in education and share a commitment to social justice. We believe that we are always learning; always arriving. People constantly learn and unlearn by reflecting on their experiences. Interdependent Study is designed to be a community for this work.
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Solidarity: We're right on time
The need for cross race, cross class organizing and solidarity is more important now than ever. Listen as Aaron and Damien AND special guest Beth Howard discuss the book Song for a Hard-Hit People: A Memoir of Antiracist Solidarity from a Coal Miner’s Daughter by Beth Howard (and published by Haymarket Books), which shares an Appalachian organizer’s personal and professional experiences from childhood to adulthood, critical lessons about solidarity, justice, organizing, strategy, and collective liberation, and the importance and impact of the fight and freedom struggle in the Appalachian region for all of us, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. A huge thank you to Beth Howard (bethhowardky.com) from Showing Up for Racial Justice for joining us in this conversation! Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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DHS' Brutality is Bipartisan
The United States’ immigration and deportation machine is brutal, dangerous, and hurts all of us. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “The Democrats Will Not Save Us” by Spencer Piston in Inquest, which highlights and analyzes how the immigration and deportation machine in the United States is a bipartisan creation, and as such, has evolved into a deadly apparatus of the government and major element of our carceral system, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Minnesota's Resistance to ICE
There is a lot to learn from Minnesota’s response to and take down of ICE earlier this year. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Why Was Minnesota’s Resistance to ICE the Strongest Yet?” in Hammer & Hope, which is a collection of articles from local organizers on the ground in Minneapolis highlighting and analyzing what made the resistance to ICE there so effective and the lessons that can be learned and applied from those efforts. The articles include “People Got to Know Their Neighbors” by Doran Schrantz, “They Hate Us Because We Don’t Hate One Another” by Marcia Howard, “The People Who Can Do the Most to Protect Us Are Within the Sound of a Whistle” by Lex Horan, “We Woke Up ICE and the Hotels That Supported Them” by Aru Shiney-Ajay, and “We Somalis Have Always Been a Community That Responded to One Another” by Amina Adan. Check out our episode to hear what we learn and take away from these incredible pieces in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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The White Supremacy House
Racism has played a central role in the Trump administration and its agenda, and it is having a dangerous effect on our country. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “White Supremacy in Donald Trump’s White House” by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor in Hammer & Hope, which highlights and analyzes how the Trump administration has weaponized racism and DEI initiatives to distract from the shared economic uncertainty and insecurity for all Americans—including white people—and the significant impact of these actions on our society, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Borders & Control
The migrant, refugee, and immigration crises around the world are the direct outcome of capitalist, imperialist globalization and climate change. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Border & Rule: Global Migration, Capitalism, and the Rise of Racist Nationalism by Harsha Walia (and published by Haymarket Books), which examines and analyzes the impact of border policies, globalization, health crises, war, climate change, capitalism, and state violence on historical and present day migrant and refugee crises worldwide, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Resisting Disposability Everywhere
It is critical that we remain cautious about and question how U.S. capitalism will function and evolve with the advent and influence of AI. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Capitalism Without Humans” by Sarah Jaffe in In These Times, which analyzes the role of and reaction to how new technology like AI and autonomous systems are increasingly replacing human labor and are evolving the dangerous impact of U.S. capitalism and the criminal punishment system on our society, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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No War In Iran
The United States and Israel have launched an illegal war on Iran. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the pieces “US and Israel Launch Illegal War on Iran, Call for Regime Change” by Sharon Zhang and “As Trump Bombs Iran, We Need to Reckon With the American War Machine” by Negin Owliaei in Truthout, which report and analyze the current, ongoing war that the United States and Israel have waged on Iran, as well as the influence, role, and impact of the global military industrial complex on our humanity, and what we learn and take away from these pieces in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Turning Crises into Opportunities with the Work Between
It is important for organizations to do all they can to tap into and maximize people’s energy in times of crisis to propel our work and fight for justice. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the final piece in a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belts” in Inquest called “Finding the Opportunity in Crisis”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Craig Gilmore about the importance of reframing crises as opportunities for turning organizing, movements, and action into real change and progress, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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We All Win When Organizers Thrive
Organizing is a great way to address the tremendous crises we’re facing, and investing in and supporting organizers is key to its success. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Our Prescription for Winning: Give Organizers What They Need to Thrive” by Alicia Jay, Kara Park, and Rebecca Gorena in The Forge, which analyzes some of the pressing dynamics and issues facing organizers and the current state of community organizing, as well as what organization leaders and funders should do to make positive changes in the lives and effectiveness of community organizers, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Black History is Everyone's History
Black history is for everyone, and there is so much that all of us can learn from it. Listen as Aaron and Damien AND special guest Stephanie Olson discuss the book Black History Is for Everyone by Brian Jones (and published by Haymarket Books), which explores and analyzes how teaching and learning Black history in real and meaningful ways can challenge our understanding of ourselves, race, nation, politics, and ongoing struggles for social justice, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. A huge thank you to Stephanie Olson for joining us in this conversation at the 2026 Maryland Student Affairs Conference! Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Board of Peace, Occupation, and Gaza
The Trump administration’s plans for the occupation of Gaza are concerning, egregious, and a danger to the future of the Palestinian people. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “The US Occupation of Gaza Is Officially Beginning” by Mitchell Plitnick in Truthout, which outlines and analyzes the Trump’s administration's plans to implement a Board of Peace to govern Gaza and oversee the U.S.-led occupation, and the impact this occupation will have on the future of Gaza and the Palestinian people, and what we learn and take away from this piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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We Can All Do This: Minnesota Leads The Way
The urgent need to abolish ICE cannot be more clear. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the pieces “‘Everybody Showed Up’: Stunning Crowds at Minnesota Day of Strike and Shutdown Against Ice” by Sarah Lazare and “A Staggering Number of Minnesotans Took to the Streets Friday to Demand ICE Leave. The Next Day, ICE Responded by Killing Another Resident” by Thomas Birmingham and Ari Bloomekatz in In These Times, which document and analyze the lead up to and aftermath of the recent Day of Truth and Freedom strike in Minneapolis and efforts to protest ICE’s presence and action and fight for its abolition, and what we learn and take away from these pieces in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Engineered Conflict & Abandonment
The violence surrounding Black communities in Chicago has been engineered and orchestrated by the state. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Engineered Conflict: Structural Violence and the Future of Black Life in Chicago by David Omotoso Stovall (and published by Haymarket Books), which explores how state and institutional violence has targeted, displaced, and marginalized Black communities in Chicago throughout history, as well as how Black communities have resisted this structural violence and embraced humanity, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Crooked Prisons. Crooked Money.
The funding behind the carceral system has given it substantial political power in this country. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the fifth piece in a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Following the Money”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Craig Gilmore about the importance of following and interrupting the various sources of funding into the carceral system that have given it substantial political power to identify how to best organize and fight against the criminal punishment system and divert its funding to true social services, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Stories of Gaza
More journalists have been killed in the Israel-Gaza war than in any other conflict. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the documentary “Eyes of Gaza” (directed by Mahmoud Al-Atassi), which follows three Palestinian journalists in Gaza as they put their lives at risk to document and report on the genocide and atrocities taking place in Gaza in real time, as well as highlights the necessity and importance of journalism in these times, and what we learn and take away from this powerful and chilling documentary in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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2025 Year in Review
It is almost time to close out 2025 which means it’s time for our final episode of the year! Listen as Aaron and Damien reflect on the past year of our podcast, and each share our top 5 moments from the show. Thank you so much for listening to Interdependent Study! We’ll see you in 2026! Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Uranium Mining, Disposability, and Death
The harmful impact of environmental racism and nuclear colonialism on the health and well-being of Navajo miners and Indigenous communities cannot be overstated. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “They Worked Underground in the Uranium Mines. They’ve Been Surrounded by Death Ever Since.” by Sarah Lazare in In These Times, which shares the story and health struggles of a former Navajo uranium miner as a case study for analyzing the federal government’s efforts to disproportionately build the dangerous uranium mining industry on Navajo lands, which negatively impact the health and well-being of Indigenous communities, as well as the federal government’s work to modernize the industry to expand its nuclear arsenal, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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The Radical Practice of Friendship
There is so much potential in the power of friendship in our personal lives and in our movement work for social justice and collective liberation. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Friends in Common: Radical Friendship and Everyday Solidarities by Laura C. Forster and Joel White (and published by Pluto Press), which explores and analyzes the concept and utility of friendship as a political and radical practice in community building, solidarity, resistance, and social change, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Weaving Abolitionist Principles
It is important to mobilize people who are already organizing for and around a variety of issues and harness their energy into the work of prison abolition organizing. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the fourth piece in a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Organizing the Already Mobilized”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Craig Gilmore about the importance of building a coalition of non-abolitionist organizers and bringing them into prison abolition work through political education, collective analysis, and solidarity to strengthen the fight for prison abolition, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website!Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Cross Movement Solidarity Against Fascism
We need solidarity across our movements and organizing work in the fight against fascism and authoritarianism and for our collective liberation. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss two pieces in The Forge, including “The Climate Movement Must Be A Movement Against Fascism” by Aru Shiney-Ajay and “Solidarity is the Solution” by Jeremiah Smith, which highlight the connectedness in our struggles for housing justice and environmental justice as well as the importance of and necessity for solidarity across all of our organizing and movements, and what we learn and take away from these incredible pieces in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Alabama's Depraved Prisons w/ Dakarai Larriett
The state prison system in Alabama is one of the deadliest in the nation and a case study for the need for abolition. Listen as Aaron and Damien AND special guest Dakarai Larriett discuss the documentary “The Alabama Solution” (directed by Andrew Jarecki and Charlotte Kaufman), which exposes and chronicles the widespread corruption, brutality, and inhumane conditions present throughout Alabama’s state prison system from the first-hand perspective of inmates and incarcerated organizers, as well as their activism and fight for progress and change within the system, and what we learn and take away from this incredible documentary in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. A huge thank you to Dakarai Larriett (https://dakarailarriett.com/) for joining us in this conversation! Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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The People's Streets
The Trump administration’s deployment and use of the National Guard and federalization of local law enforcement is a dangerous tactic with a potentially significant long-term impact moving forward. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss a piece in Hammer & Hope titled “Whose Streets? Trump’s Federalized National Guard and the Long Arc of White Supremacy”, which features a conversation between Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò and Elizabeth Hinton about the dangers and impact of the Trump administration’s deployment of the National Guard and federalization of local law enforcement, as well as the connection of those actions to history, policy, white supremacy, and social justice organizing, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Listen When Things Fall Apart
There is so much we can all learn from seasoned activists, scholars, and organizers as we continue to fight for social justice and collective liberation during these challenging times. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Read This When Things Fall Apart: Letters to Activists in Crisis, edited by Kelly Hayes (and published by AK Press), which is a compilation of letters to activists and organizers on the frontlines of social movement work offering wisdom, history, personal anecdotes, and practical advice for navigating fascism, social ills, loss, and the challenging times we face, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Prisons Are Not Inevitable
An important outcome of prison abolition organizing is to help address the political economic geography of unfreedom. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the third piece in a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Custody and Power”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Craig Gilmore about the legal, structural, and financial mechanisms through which the carceral state organizes itself to imprison people, as well as the impact of formal and informal spheres of local and regional power on the prison industrial system, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Unlearning for Collective Liberation
The key to unlearning lies in community, and we must embrace unlearning as a collective practice in order to fight for collective liberation. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Radical Unlearning: The Art and Science of Creating Change from Within by Lewis Raven Wallace (and published by Beacon Press), which explores and analyzes the concepts of radical unlearning and neuropsychology, as well as many of the possible pathways to free ourselves of dangerous and supremacist ways of thinking and being as individuals and collectively, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Hope Beyond a Moment
The hope for real change in America after the election of President Obama was stifled in the wake of racism, vigilante violence, and police brutality. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the sixth and final episode of the docuseries “Eyes on the Prize III: We Who Believe in Freedom Cannot Rest” titled “What Comes After Hope? (2008-2015)” (directed by Leslie Asako Gladsjo), which chronicles the years during Barack Obama’s presidency when hope soared for real change in America but racism, vigilante violence, and police brutality surged and sparked the #BlackLivesMatter movement, and what we learn and take away from this incredible episode in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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The Movement for Resegregation
Affirmative action is about righting some of the wrongs of our society and our history. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the fifth episode of the docuseries “Eyes on the Prize III: We Who Believe in Freedom Cannot Rest” titled “We Don’t See Color (1996-2013)” (directed by Smriti Mundhra), which explores the complexities and impact of affirmative action policies in places like California, Michigan, and North Carolina on our schools and society at large, and what we learn and take away from this incredible episode in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Spineless Politicians Refuse to Acknowledge Genocide
Despite the inaction of the Democratic Party leadership, the consensus among the base of the Democratic Party is for the U.S. government to end its support of Israel’s efforts to commit genocide in Palestine. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Democratic Leadership Still Hasn’t Caught Up to the Party’s Base on Gaza” by Stephen Zunes in In These Times, which explores and analyzes the growing calls for the end of U.S. support for Israel among Democratic voters in the face of the inaction and ineffectiveness of the Democratic Party leadership to force changes in the government’s position, and what we learn and take away from this piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website!Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Wisdom & Connection Through Water
What might it mean to truly listen to, know, and exist with water in our lives and in our fight for collective liberation? Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Theory of Water: Nishnaabe Maps to the Times Ahead by Leanne Betasamosake Simpson (and published by Haymarket Books), which explores Nishnaabeg origin stories to offer a radical reimagining of our collective relationship with water in order to spark resistance, transformation, and the work for a just future, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Organizing for the World Beyond Trump
The need for local and regional networks in our mass movements and organizing efforts is huge in order to meet the fascist and authoritarian moment we are in. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece "Building an Opposition to Survive the Trump Era” by Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor in Hammer & Hope, which analyzes the scale, scope, and impact of mass protests and organizing work during both of Trump’s presidential terms, and the need for a more sustained mass resistance rooted in local and regional networks, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Bringing Environmental Justice & Abolition Together
It is important that abolitionists and environmental justice organizers fight a common purpose in their work and fight for justice. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the second piece in a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Abolition and Environmental Justice”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Craig Gilmore about how organizers, abolitionists, and organizations have forged a common purpose in the work and fight for environmental justice across the country, and how important this coalition work is in addressing disposability, land use, organized abandonment, harm, and climate justice issues, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Toxic Spills & Organized Resistance
The presence and impact of environmental racism is real and has been a long-standing issue in our society. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the fourth episode of the docuseries “Eyes on the Prize III: We Who Believe in Freedom Cannot Rest” titled “Spoil the Vine (1982-2011)” (directed by Rudy Valdez), which chronicles the organizing, growth, and fight for environmental justice in the United States in the aftermath of chemical leaks and toxic exposures in predominately Black communities in states across the country, and what we learn and take away from this incredible episode in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website!Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Resist the Debt, Death, and Deportation Machine
It could not be more clear that we need a new united front against fascism. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Where Was the Resistance to Trump’s Megabill of Debt, Death, and Deportation?” by Shamell Bell in Hammer & Hope, which utilizes the resistance to the One Big Beautiful Bill Act as a case study to highlight the importance of building an intentional and united coalition of organizers, activists, and organizations in the work and fight against fascism and the Trump administration’s efforts, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website!Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Recalibrations of White Supremacism
There are countless examples throughout history and around the world of how racial capitalism reproduces and protects itself and white supremacy. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book The New Racial Regime: Recalibrations of White Supremacy by Alana Lentin (and published by Pluto Press), which outlines and analyzes the attacks on anticolonial, Black, Indigenous thought, life, and praxis throughout history and around the world, as well as their impact on how racial capitalism has been able to reproduce itself as a recalibrated version of the racial regime in our present day, and what we learn and take away from this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Permutations of Prison Expansion
It’s important to consider the need for different strategies in the fight for prison abolition based on the specific region of the country. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the first of a six-part series titled “Abolitionist Lessons from the Prison Belt” in Inquest called “Uneven Expansions”, which features a conversation between Lydia Pelot-Hobbs, Judah Schept, Ruth Wilson Gilmore, and Craig Gilmore about what abolitionists can gain strategically from the complexities of the prison industrial complex in different regions of the country, as well as how different parts of the United States have taken on the project of mass incarceration can inform how abolitionists respond to the carceral system at large, and what we learn and take away from this incredible piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website!Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Building Informational Power
There is real power in building and utilizing informational power as a strategy within our abolitionist movements to resist authoritarianism and fight for collective liberation. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the report “Shaping Reality: Building Informational Power to Resist Authoritarianism” by Lewis Raven Wallace (and produced by Interrupting Criminalization), which analyzes recent movements to defund and abolish the police in the United States and the relationships between information, narrative, media, and movement-building power, how movement-building organizations use information production and dissemination to build power, and what lessons can be learned more broadly from this work and the report’s analysis moving forward, and what we learn and take away from this incredible report in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Big Egregious Wealth Transfer
It is important for all of us to know and understand everything that is in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act to know what provisions are coming during the next few years. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “10 Egregious Things You May Not Know About the One Big Beautiful Bill Act” by Colin Seeberger, Andrea Ducas, and Natasha Murphy and published by the Center for American Progress, which outlines some of the lesser-known provisions of the recently passed One Big Beautiful Bill Act and their potential impact on Americans and the country, and what we learn and take away from this article in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Fascists Attack Dissent Because They're Afraid
We are witnessing the current administration’s outrageous and harmful efforts to silence dissent and curtail our freedoms on a daily basis. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “‘I Am Not Afraid’” by Adam Federman in In These Times, which analyzes some of the troubling and dangerous efforts by the Trump administration and its far-right loyalists to attack activists, organizers, and protestors, silence dissent, and curtail our individual and collective freedoms, and what we learn and take away from this incredible article in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Centuries of Witch Hunting
The influence and impact of capitalism across the globe on violence against women, especially with witch hunts, cannot be understated. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Witches, Witch-Hunting, and Women by Silvia Federici (and published by PM Press), which outlines and analyzes the root causes and impact of interpersonal and institutional violence against witches and women across the globe throughout history and into our present day, as well as the necessary work to resist and combat this violence, and what we learn and take away from this book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Talking about the Million Man March
Our learning from the stories of people and communities that have worked tirelessly throughout history for racial and social justice in this country continues. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the third episode of the docuseries “Eyes on the Prize III: We Who Believe in Freedom Cannot Rest” titled “Million Man March 1995” (directed by Muta'Ali), which chronicles the history, challenges, aftermath, and transformative impact of the 1995 Million Man March in Washington, D.C. on the Black community and in the fight for racial and social justice, and what we learn and take away from this incredible episode in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Ban Tear Gas
The history of police use of tear gas in the United States is a history worth learning. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the zine “A [short] History of U.S. Police & Tear Gas” by Mariame Kaba (and published as a resource by Interrupting Criminalization), which outlines and analyzes the history and use of tear gas by the police in the United States (and across the globe) and the inhumane and dangerous impact of it on individuals and on our social movements, and what we learn and take away from this incredible resource in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Remaking the World with Reparations Pt. 2
Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò argues that one of the biggest struggles facing our generation is the climate crisis, and we must act now. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the second half of the book Reconsidering Reparations: Why Climate Justice and Constructive Politics Are Needed in the Wake of Slavery and Colonialism by Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò (and published by Haymarket Books), which analyzes the history and impact of colonialism, capitalism, transatlantic slavery, and the climate crisis in the creation of the global racial empire, and the potential for the constructive approach of reparations to transform the world and create a just future for all of us, and what we learn and take away from the second half of this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Remaking the World with Reparations
There is no doubt about the impact of colonialism, capitalism, transatlantic slavery, and the climate crisis on the creation of the global racial empire. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the first half of the book Reconsidering Reparations: Why Climate Justice and Constructive Politics Are Needed in the Wake of Slavery and Colonialism by Olúfẹ́mi O. Táíwò (and published by Haymarket Books), which analyzes the history and impact of colonialism, capitalism, transatlantic slavery, and the climate crisis in the creation of the global racial empire, and the potential for the constructive approach of reparations to transform the world and create a just future for all of us, and what we learn and take away from the first half of this incredible book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Literal and Metaphorical Fires
The impact of the 2025 Southern California wildfires has been devastating, but the revitalization and regeneration efforts by communities in Altadena is a true inspiration. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Between Fires in Los Angeles and Fascism in America” by Robin D.G. Kelley in Hammer & Hope, which chronicles the impact of and response to the 2025 Southern California wildfires, as well as analyzes the history and present day impacts of racism and fascism in the aftermath of the wildfires, and what we learn and take away from this incredible article in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Authoritarians at Home and Abroad
Fascism, authoritarianism, and the far-right insurgency here in the United States and in Europe are on the rise and undoubtedly devastating for all of us. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “Donald Trump and the Far-Right Insurgency in Europe” by Gary Younge in Hammer & Hope, which outlines and analyzes the history, rise, leaders, and manifestations of fascism and the far-right insurgency that has taken place in the United States and Europe, and what we learn and take away from this great article in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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The Relentless and Recurring Nakba
Without a doubt, Palestinian humanity deserves more than it has been given. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Perfect Victims: And the Politics of Appeal by Mohammed El-Kurd (and published by Haymarket Books), which examines and analyzes the concepts of humanity and perfect victimhood in regards to Palestine and the Palestinian people throughout history and in all aspects of our society, and what we learn and take away from this outstanding and moving book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Police, Prosecutors, and Politicians Vs. the People
There continues to be much to learn from the stories of people and communities that have worked tirelessly throughout history for racial and social justice in this country. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the second episode of the docuseries “Eyes on the Prize III: We Who Believe in Freedom Cannot Rest” titled “Trapped 1989-1995” (directed by Samantha M. Knowles), which chronicles the disproportionate impacts of policing and the criminal punishment system on Black communities in Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles in the 1980s and 1990s, and what we learn and take away from this incredible episode in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Time for a General Strike?
There’s been an increase in the number of organizers, activists, and organizations calling for a national strike in the United States to combat the fascism and violence we face at the hands of our government. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the piece “What would a general strike in the US actually look like?” by Jeremy Brecher in Waging Nonviolence, which analyzes the concept of a social strike as a strategy to disrupt the normal operations of society and to resist and defeat the tyranny of the current administration and government, and what we learn and take away from this great piece in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website! Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Criminalization of Librarians
The right’s onslaught of attacks on books, education, and learning have also included attacks on and the criminalization of librarians. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss an essay titled “Criminalizing Librarians: Threats and Realities” by Mariame Kaba and published by Interrupting Criminalization, which highlights some of the attacks on librarians throughout history and in the present day, and analyzes examples of how library workers are confronting these threats in order to protect libraries and learning, and what we learn and take away from this incredible essay in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation.Follow us on social media and visit our website!Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Abolition through the Years
We must continue our movement for abolition and fight against state violence, oppression, and punishment at all costs. Listen as Aaron and Damien discuss the book Abolition: Politics, Practices, and Promises, Vol. 1 by Angela Davis (and published by Haymarket Books), which is a collection of Davis’ essays analyzing the history of abolitionist practice and work around the globe, the contributions of women to the fight for abolition, and the organizing, lived experiences, and lessons learned from inside and beyond prisons, and what we learn and take away from this outstanding book in our continued learning and unlearning work and fight for collective liberation. Follow us on social media and visit our website!Patreon, Website, Instagram, Bluesky, TikTok, Threads, Facebook, YouTube, Leave us a voice message, Merch store
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Class is in session. Interdependent Study is about the learning and unlearning work for social justice and collective liberation. Interdependent Study is hosted by Damien Franze, an angry Black man from Baltimore who wears his heart on his sleeve, and Aaron Hood, an angry white man from Florida who is always thinking. We’re two friends who work in education and share a commitment to social justice. We believe that we are always learning; always arriving. People constantly learn and unlearn by reflecting on their experiences. Interdependent Study is designed to be a community for this work.
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