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Layoffs over Lattes
by Donal Murphy
Layoffs over Lattes is a podcast for job seekers and anyone navigating career transitions. Each episode features thoughtful, experience-driven conversations with guests who bring authority, expertise, and empathy to the complex realities of unemployment and reinvention. Through candid discussions, listeners gain practical, actionable insights to stay grounded, healthy, engaged, and purposeful, while building momentum toward what’s next.
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Episode 13: Recognizing and Releasing the Grip of Enmeshment
In this episode, I talk with Laura Mahr about the often-overlooked issue of enmeshment at work, its signs, its impacts, and how it affects mental and emotional health, especially during career transitions like layoffs. We explore practical strategies rooted in neurobiology, mindfulness, and Internal Family Systems to help professionals reclaim balance, so that work occupies an appropriate place in one’s life – the thing we do and not the thing we are – and how companies have a real responsibility to foster healthier workplaces that allow employees to thrive with a greater sense of purpose.Learn more about Laura: https://www.consciousworkingminds.com/ and https://consciouslegalminds.com/Connect with Laura on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-mahr-esq-65a582130/Keywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Enmeshment, Burnout, Career Transition, Professional Growth, Personal Growth, Professional Development, Career Development, Job Search, Resilience, Work-Life Balance, Internal Family Systems, Mindfulness, Polyvagal Theory, Somatic Therapy, Organizational CultureChapters00:00 Introduction02:20 The significance of identity and grief in layoffs05:04 Defining enmeshment in a professional setting06:24 Signs of enmeshment: emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual signs08:43 Types of individuals prone to enmeshment and personality factors09:42 Internal Family Systems perspective on enmeshment12:48 Advice for those experiencing layoffs to reclaim self and avoid enmeshment cycles15:32 The importance of the "power of the pause" during career transitions17:14 Managing emotional highs and lows during job searches20:32 The danger of urgency and impulsive actions post-layoff22:25 Strategies for those in workplaces and at risk of enmeshment23:47 Personal and organizational red flags during the interview process27:48 The role of nervous system regulation and mindfulness in maintaining boundaries30:00 Addressing common fears and anxiety related to job security and success32:28 The biochemical roots of overworking and addiction to success39:43 Can success exist with healthy boundaries?42:18 Organizational responsibility for cultivating healthy work environments45:23 The role of company culture in preventing enmeshment49:34 Questions to ask during interviews to assess wellbeing and cultural fit52:35 How to find professionals trained in enmeshment, IFS, and nervous system work56:39 Connecting with Laura
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Episode 12: Creating a Personalized, Meaningful, and Unique Career Path
In this episode, I speak with Alaina G. Levine and discuss her journey from her childhood aspirations to be a Broadway star and scientist to becoming a professional speaker and author. Alaina shares her unique career path, emphasizing the importance of combining passion with practicality to create a "unicorn career," one that aligns with one's values, brings joy, and provides financial stability. Alaina discusses her latest book, "Create Your Unicorn Career," and offers insights into navigating career transitions, the significance of networking, and the art of building meaningful professional relationships. Alaina also highlights the challenges and opportunities in today's evolving job market, encouraging listeners to embrace their unique skills and passions to forge fulfilling careers.Learn more about Alaina: http://www.alainalevine.com/Connect with Alaina on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alainaglevine/Learn more about her book (use code UNICORNCLIENT5 to get $5 off your e-copy): https://alainalevine.com/product/create-your-unicorn-career/More resources: https://8fb38a5a-9ae7-4a15-9bbe-c7d0e9bd26e5.paylinks.godaddy.com/Land-A-Job-Crisis-WebinarKeywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Career Transition, Job Search Strategy, Professional Growth, Personal Growth, Authenticity, Professional Development, Professional Brand Development, Unicorn Career, Networking, Career Transition, Personal Branding, Resilience, Career Development, Job Search, Entrepreneurship, STEMChapters00:00 Introduction and Childhood Dreams1:23 Career Path and Unicorn Career5:46 Networking and Career Development12:27 Intrinsic Data, Extrinsic Data, and Bridge of Marketing17:51 Real-World Examples and Challenges23:41 Networking as a Spectrum of Activities31:08 Navigating Layoffs and Career Transitions44:56 The Future of Unicorn Careers
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Episode 11: From Uncertainty to Confidence: Mastering Your Job Search Campaign
Much like a political campaign, a job search requires strategic planning and proactive effort. My guest today, Dr. Heidi Scott Giusto, has developed a campaign framework, comprised of seven separate, but interlinked components, that helps you to navigate through your job search with confidence and peace of mind. This episode is chock full of great practical advice that will allow you to be successful in the role of being your own campaign manager and land your next opportunity. Learn more about Heidi: https://careerpathwritingsolutions.com/Connect with Heidi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heidigiustophd/How to Tailoring Your Resume: https://careerpathwritingsolutions.com/wp-content/uploads/How-to-Tailor-Your-Resume_FINAL-1.pdfLearn more about Heidi’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Third-Paradigm-Using-Tools-Create/dp/1642011479Keywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Career Transition, Job Search Strategy, Job Search Campaign, Resume Writing, Cover Letter Writing, LinkedIn Profile, Professional Networking, Interview Preparation, Strategic Storytelling, AI, Self-Care, Professional Growth, Personal Growth, Authenticity, Professional Development, Professional Brand DevelopmentChapters00:00 Introduction: treating job search like a political campaign02:32 Heidi’s childhood dream of being a marine biologist04:19 The campaign framework for job searching05:41 What a strong job search strategy looks like08:20 Crafting resumes that catch attention in under six seconds 11:09 Customizing resumes for each application13:09 When and how to use cover letters effectively16:23 AI's role in resume and cover letter writing20:04 Building a strong LinkedIn profile and activity strategy27:36 Networking as genuine help and relationship building32:47 Preparing for interviews to maximize your chances of success37:23 The importance of wellness during a lengthy job search40:44 How to connect with Heidi
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Episode 10: Finding and Harnessing the Natural Leader Within You
In this enlightening conversation, MaryCay Durrant explores the intricate relationship between personal growth, leadership, and the natural world. MaryCay shares her unique upbringing and how it shaped her understanding of happiness and fulfillment. She discusses the importance of recognizing the leader within, the lessons learned from horses, and the significance of being authentic in one's career journey. The conversation delves into the philosophical aspects of work, the challenges of career transitions, and the necessity of building supportive communities. MaryCay introduces her W.O.R.K. model, emphasizing the importance of waking up to one's true self, orienting from within, reimagining partnerships, and nourishing what matters most. The episode includes powerful insights on navigating change and embracing the messiness of personal evolution.Learn more about MaryCay: https://marycaydurrant.com/Learn more about Kahlil Gibran: https://www.kahlilgibran.com/Learn more about Arthur Brooks: https://www.arthurbrooks.com/Learn more about Jim Collins: https://www.jimcollins.com/Learn more about Brené Brown: https://brenebrown.com/Keywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Career Transition, Job Search, Leadership, Horses, Nature, Work Philosophy, Age Bias, Self-discovery, Professional Growth, Personal Growth, Authenticity, Emotional Development, Personal Development, Professional Development, Personal ValuesChapters00:00 Introduction00:24 MaryCay's background and childhood aspirations03:15 Nature as a template for leadership and fulfillment05:38 Leading from within and finding the natural leader in each of us07:29 Lessons from horses about energy, authenticity, and communication09:48 Personal stories of transformation through horse work and truth-telling12:23 Navigating the gap between awakening to change and making it happen16:45 The spiritual dimension of work and Khalil Gibran's perspective18:40 Work as a reflection of personal growth and becoming your best self22:14 The importance of community and the "herd" for support during transitions25:29 Messiness and discomfort as necessary parts of growth and change29:59 The influence of your career stage and evolving through the phases of life44:06 Introduction to the W.O.R.K. model for self-awareness and transformation46:17 Reimagining partnering: Giving and sharing your gifts in new ways48:11 Maintaining nourishment for what matters most and staying aligned with values51:09 Final piece of advice: Let the beauty of what you love be what you do
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Episode 9: Controlling Your Own Destiny - How to Build a Sustainable Fractional Consulting Practice
As you contemplate your next career move, maybe establishing your own consulting practice is something you are thinking about as an interim step, as you search for your next full-time role, or maybe this is the time to pursue a new long-term vision that allows you to be fully in control of your own destiny—putting your expertise to use, choosing your projects, choosing with whom to work with, setting your own schedule, and setting your own salary.In this episode, Antonio Montano, a seasoned marketing executive and strategic advisor, delivers a “how-to” approach to structuring your practice, attracting the ideal clients, building trust quickly, and delivering measurable impact that keeps you in demand. Learn more about Antonio: https://www.linkedin.com/in/antoniomontano/Learn more about CMO 360 Insights: https://www.cmo360insights.com/Keywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Job Search, Self-employment, Fractional Consulting, Freelancing, Career Transition, Marketing, Biotech, Client Retention, Professional Development, Thought Leadership, Consulting Fees, Career Transition, EntrepreneurshipChapters0:00 Welcome3:30 What is a fractional consultant? Definition and scope6:46 Epiphany moment and launching the consultancy9:29 Attractive elements of a fractional career11:02 Defining identity, outcomes, and how to package services12:28 Choosing the right clients and building a portfolio21:26 Discovery calls and team involvement24:24 Productizing and templatizing services to scale27:03 Client retention and referrals28:27 Thought leadership and visibility43:53 Ongoing professional development and upskilling47:50 Closing reflections and considerations about corporate returns
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Episode 8: Navigating a Layoff using Insights from an Executive HR and Business Consultant
In this episode I speak with HR expert Becky Jones about the complexities of layoffs, the emotional impact on employees, the need for companies to consider alternatives to layoffs, and the importance of reframing unemployment as an opportunity for growth.We discuss strategies for job seekers, including the significance of networking, authenticity in interviews, and the role of AI in the job search process. Becky shares her personal journey from aspiring teacher to HR professional, emphasizing the value of transferable skills. The conversation concludes with practical advice for navigating career transitions and finding the right fit in the job market.Learn more about Becky: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beckyjones1/Learn more about Swift HR Solutions: http://www.swifthrsolutions.com/Keywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Career Transition, Human Resources, Job Search, Networking, Small Businesses, Outplacement Services, Professional Growth, Authenticity, Mentorship, Emotional Impact, Financial Security, Career Opportunities, Personal DevelopmentChapters00:00 Introduction and Acknowledgment of Layoffs03:01 Becky's Journey: From Aspiring Teacher to HR Expert05:57 Understanding Layoffs: Behind the Scenes08:47 Alternatives to Layoffs: Creative Cost-Cutting Strategies12:07 Reframing Layoffs: Finding Opportunity in Transition17:50 Qualities of Successful Job Seekers21:40 Support Systems for Job Seekers Post-Layoff26:31 Enhancing Outplacement Services28:31 The Power of Networking37:25 Crafting Your Narrative44:25 Embracing AI in Job Searches45:33 Authenticity in the Job Search
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Episode 7: Seeing Layoffs from Both Sides and the Wisdom Gained
Nobody is immune to a layoff and despite having a successful HR and recruitment career, Joy Osborne found herself out of work for 8 months and looking for a new job. On this episode we talk about what it felt like to be unemployed as a recruiter, what she did to find her new role at Snap, and what she learned about the experience that she feels are must-dos in successfully navigating unemployment and securing your next role.Learn more about Joy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joyosborne/Learn more about Look What SHE Did!: https://lookwhatshedid.com/Keywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Job search, Talent acquisition, University recruiting, Authenticity, Networking, Career transition, Emotional resilience, Community support, Career development, Female leadersChapters00:00 Introduction to Joy and the Podcast01:40 Joy's Early Aspirations and Career Path04:03 Experiencing Layoffs: Joy's Perspective08:01 Surprises and Strengths During Unemployment11:17 Framework for Job Searching16:30 Navigating the Job Market After Layoff20:51 Building a Supportive Network23:20 The Power of Community Connections26:36 The Importance of Authenticity in Job Searching28:05 Creating Daily Joy: A Personal Journey33:44 The Role of Authenticity in Recruitment36:30 Empowering Women Through Community Engagement
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Episode 6: From Apple to Rookie Move: A Journey of Reimagining, Reinvention, and Courage
In this conversation, Juliette Paige shares her journey from a childhood dream of wanting to be happy to a successful career in mechanical engineering and product design at Apple. This is not a layoff story but is a very applicable conversation, and a deeply honest and insightful one at that, for anyone considering a career change following a layoff. After five years at Apple, Juliette felt a disconnect from her passion and decided to leave the corporate world to pursue her own venture, Rookie Move, focused on experiential marketing. We talk about the complexities and challenges of the transition, the fear, the doubt, and the tears, but through all of that, the perseverance, commitment, and conviction to bring her passion to life.We also talk about her passion for inclusivity, and how that has compelled her to co-found the Slowdown Summit, a new and cutting-edge conference format focused on leadership development and designed specifically for introverts and neurodivergent professionals.Learn more about Juliette: https://www.juliettepaige.com/Learn more about Slowdown Summit: https://www.slowdownsummit.co/Keywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Experiential marketing, Freelancing, Career transition, Career change, Entrepreneurship, Leadership, Conferences, Events,Introversion, Neurodivergence, Job Search, Career DevelopmentChapters00:00 Introduction and Acknowledgment of Challenges01:34 Childhood Dreams and Career Aspirations03:40 Journey to Apple and Corporate Experience10:29 Leaving Apple: Motivations and Self-Doubt17:09 Building Rookie Move: The Transition to Freelancing20:53 Leveraging LinkedIn for Networking and Opportunities30:35 Establishing Rookie Move: Lessons in Entrepreneurship36:19 Daily Routines and Managing Multiple Roles
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Episode 5: Uncovering the Confidence You Didn’t Lose
In this episode, I talk with Jeffrey Schaller and discuss the concept of uncovering confidence after a layoff, emphasizing that it is not about rebuilding it, but rather rediscovering it through self-awareness. We explore the impact of job loss on identity and the importance of focusing on strengths rather than weaknesses. The conversation highlights the CliftonStrengths assessment as a tool for identifying and leveraging personal talents and turning them into career-defining strengths. The conversation offers insight into how understanding one's strengths can lead to greater alignment and fulfillment in both professional and personal life. We also discuss the value of collaboration and building teams that complement individual strengths.Learn more about Jeff: https://www.youtube.com/@innerarcstudioLearn more about Gallup CliftonStrengths: www.gallup.comKeywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Confidence, Personal development, Job Search, Career transition, Career development, CliftonStrengths, Self-awareness,Self-trust, Identity lossChapters00:00 Uncovering Confidence: A Journey Within02:58 The Impact of Layoffs on Identity06:03 Rediscovering Strengths During Transitions08:47 Shifting Focus: From Weaknesses to Strengths11:42 The Power of the CliftonStrengths Assessment14:54 Living in Alignment with Strengths17:48 Building Teams Around Strengths20:41 The Science Behind CliftonStrengths23:38 Practical Steps to Reconnect with Strengths26:47 Final Thoughts on Confidence and Strengths
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Episode 4: Unlocking Your Potential with Career Coaching
In this episode, I talk with career coach JT Heglund, the Founder and Principal at The Daily Agape. We explore the transformative journey of career coaching, the importance of discovering one’s ‘WHY’, the life-long positive impact of developing emotional intelligence, and the value of understanding one's talents in order to turn them into career-changing strengths. We discuss the various flavors of coaching, the importance of understanding reputable certifications in an unregulated industry, and the ongoing support that coaches can provide you to help you thrive. JT emphasizes the need for a good personality fit between coach and client, shares insights on how to find a coach, and how coaching can unlock your innate potential to free you to pursue roles and careers that are in alignment with who you are, what you are uniquely good at, and what interests you most.Learn more about JT: www.thedailyagape.comLearn more about Simon Sinek’s WHY Discovery: https://simonsinek.com/Learn more about Gallup CliftonStrengths: www.gallup.comLearn more about TalentSmart EQ: www.talentsmarteq.comKeywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Career coaching, Emotional intelligence, Gallup CliftonStrengths, Personal development, Job search, Career coaching methodologies, Professional growth, Life coaching, Career coachingrelationships, Career transition, Simon Sinek, The Optimism Company, TalentSmartEQChapters00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers02:41 Journey to Career Coaching04:45 Understanding Coaching and Its Value08:37 Different Flavors of Coaching12:34 Certifications and Their Importance14:23 Gallup CliftonStrengths and Positive Psychology19:32 The Science Behind Strengths Assessment24:04 Understanding Your 'Why' and Its Impact27:20 The Role of Emotional Intelligence in Career Success32:07 Navigating Coaching Relationships and Expectations
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Episode 3: Finding Resiliency and Strength After a Layoff
In this episode I talk with Dr. Adam Dorsay, a psychologist and award-winning podcaster and author. We discuss the themes of resilience, mental health, and coping strategies during job loss and career transitions. We explore the definition of resilience, the emotional challenges of job searching, and practical techniques for managing stress and building routines. The conversation emphasizes the importance of self-compassion, social support, and finding meaning in difficult situations, while also addressing the impact of layoffs on personal relationships. We end by discussing some recommended resources for further growth.Learn more about Dr. Dorsay: https://dradamdorsay.com/Keywords: Layoffs, Unemployment, Crisis management, Resilience, Adaptation, Overcoming adversity, Psychological insights, Thriving through difficulty, Career transition, Mental health, Job search, Emotional well-being, Stress management, Self-compassion, Personal growth, Relationships, Coping strategiesChapters00:00 Introduction to Resilience and Mental Health02:21 Defining Resilience in Psychotherapy03:38 Reframing Layoffs as Opportunities06:31 The Emotional Roller Coaster of Job Searching09:00 Techniques for Managing Stress and Building Resilience14:07 Establishing Routines During Job Search19:57 Bouncing Back from Setbacks in Job Search25:37 Impact of Layoffs on Relationships29:55 Recommended Resources for Support and Growth
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Episode 2: Cultivating Financial Peace of Mind During a Layoff
In this episode, financial advisor, Tom O'Brien, talks about navigating the financial challenges of layoffs. We discuss common financial mistakes people make after losing their jobs, the importance of assessing one's financial runway, the need for clear communication with family, creative ways to generate income, and the significance of building a professional network. Tom also shares advice on financial moves to avoid and strategies for staying motivated during the job search journey.Tom O’Brien is participating in this podcast in his individualcapacity. Any opinions, projections, or forward-looking statements expressed herein are solely those of Tom O’Brien and may differ from Vantage Wealth Management’s views or opinions.Learn more about Tom: https://www.linkedin.com/in/obrientom/Learn more about Vantage Wealth Management: https://www.vantagewealthmgmt.com/Keywords: Layoffs, financial advice, mental health, job search, family communication, financial mistakes, income generation, networking, financial planning, career transition
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Episode 1: Never Search Alone
Navigating a job search can be a lonely, isolated, and demoralizing experience. The key is not to do it alone. One of the most successful, volunteer-supported and peer-led programs out there today is a program called Never Search Alone (NSA), which is the brainchild of Phyl Terry. On this episode Tamara Adlin talks all about what NSA is, how to get involved, and the power of searching for a job surrounded by a supportive community.Tamara also talks about the important concept of Candidate Market Fit and how understanding one's identity aids in better marketability, why it's important to avoid overly complex descriptions of ourselves, and how we need to communicate in a way that makes sense to others to find a new position faster. Learn more about NSA: https://www.neversearchalone.org/Learn more about Tamara: https://www.adlininc.com/Keywords: Layoffs, unemployment, job search, professional identity, communication, self-awareness, branding, marketability
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Layoffs over Lattes is a podcast for job seekers and anyone navigating career transitions. Each episode features thoughtful, experience-driven conversations with guests who bring authority, expertise, and empathy to the complex realities of unemployment and reinvention. Through candid discussions, listeners gain practical, actionable insights to stay grounded, healthy, engaged, and purposeful, while building momentum toward what’s next.
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