Rough Magic Podcast: LLM demos

Steve Ruiz built TLDraw as an infinite canvas SDK and discovered that the spatial nature of a 2D surface solves coordination problems that human and LLMs struggle with elsewhere: orchestrating multiple agents, grounding abstract concepts visually and giving users a way to annotate and iterate on AI output. Engineering work is shifting from writing code to system architecture, and the canvas is where high bandwidth work happens magically.In this episode Steve demos Make Real ("the world's first vibe coding tool"), the Agent Starter Kit, and Fairies -- a new experiment that puts multiple agents directly on the canvas. He also previews future directions: foveation, zones and annotation for images and video.TLDraw is hiring: https://tldraw.dev/careers## Timestamps00:00 Teaser: Multi-agent canvas00:51 Intro: Steve Ruiz03:37 Intro: TLDraw06:33 The canvas as a high-bandwidth collaboration surface11:54 Demo: A history of TLDraw16:04 Demo: Make Real (the world's first vibe coding tool, Nov 2023)23:30 Demo: The Agent Starter Kit26:03 Demo: Fairies — multi-agent canvas orchestration33:23 The dark code factory and human intervention36:15 Future: Annotation as a primitive (images, video)37:17 Future: Spatial harness for agents39:24 Future: Responsive zones ("haunted places")43:21 Q&A: Building philosophy45:49 Wrap: TLDraw is hiring## Follow / Get In TouchSteve Ruiz: https://x.com/steveruizok | https://www.linkedin.com/in/steve-ruiz-61a150239/Marc (host): https://x.com/marchattonhere | https://www.linkedin.com/in/marchatton/## LinksTLDraw: https://tldraw.comTLDraw SDK: https://tldraw.devMake Real: https://makereal.tldraw.comTLDraw Computer: https://computer.tldraw.comTLDraw on GitHub: https://github.com/tldraw/tldraw## SubscribeRough Magic on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheRoughMagicRough Magic on Substack: https://www.roughmagic.me/podcastRough Magic on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7xTd4cGGn35dlC0jUCLBZURough Magic on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rough-magic-podcast-exploring-llms/id1880241622 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.roughmagic.me

OverviewBen Guo explains the next computer is a personal cloud: software-company-grade infrastructure for personal computing, not just for businesses.In this episode he demos Zo live and shows what that looks like when files, automations, memory, hosting and model access live in one persistent system you own. Personal computing is starting to feel like the early PC movement again, and the early days of the internet and P2P file sharing/hosting. Watch on YouTube* 00:00 Ben Guo, Zo and why personal computing is back* 04:03 The personal cloud thesis* 06:27 Zo demo starts: files, automations and hosting* 09:19 Data imports as memory* 12:31 Persistent, elastic compute* 14:24 AI provider API keys and integrations* 16:11 Q&A: privacy and ownership* 17:47 Q&A: product taste and velocity codingZo is hiring cracked engineershttps://www.zo.computer/careersFollow / get in touch* Ben Guo (co-founder): https://x.com/0thernet or https://www.linkedin.com/in/0thernet/* Rob Cheung (co-founder): https://x.com/perceptnet* Marc (host): https://x.com/marchattonhere or https://www.linkedin.com/in/marchatton/Products/tools mentioned* Zo Computer: https://www.zo.computer/* Claude Code* OpenClaw: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw* 23andMe: https://www.23andme.com/* ClinVar: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/clinvar/Companies mentioned* Venmo: https://venmo.com/* Substack: https://substack.com/* AWS: https://aws.amazon.com/* Vercel: https://vercel.com/* Cloudflare: https://www.cloudflare.com/* Hetzner: https://www.hetzner.com/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.roughmagic.me

This builds on the viral article by @ryancarson. Here’s a snippet of Ryan providing an overview of his Code Factory setup:You'll find this more fun watching episode (instead of listening), here it is on YouTube:Bye for now.Thanks for reading Rough Magic | Podcast & Newsletter! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.roughmagic.me