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Sam And Gen Got Divorced
by Sam and Gen
We're Sam and Gen, a formerly married couple currently navigating the complex landscape of divorce. Our journey has been filled with heartache, confusion, and doubt, but it has also been a path to healing, growth, and hope.Together, we're on a mission to create a space where those experiencing divorce can find support, understanding, and practical guidance. We're committed to sharing our stories and insights to help others on their own journeys.#divorce #healing #marriage #relationships #mentalhealth
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Ep. 39 - Situationships, Pt. 2 - Are They Ever Healthy?
In this episode, Sam and Gen sit down for a candid conversation about what people are really looking for when they say they do not have capacity for full commitment.Gen shares why a situationship can make sense in a season where long term investment is not possible, but the desire for connection, affirmation, romance, and companionship is still very real. Sam reflects on his own version of that dynamic, including what he calls a “holy grail friend with benefits,” while also arguing that situationships may be more convenient than healthy.The conversation explores clarity, honesty, unmet needs, and the tension between what feels good in the moment and what actually builds strong relationships over time. Sam and Gen also wrestle with whether situationships are helping people relate more honestly, or simply giving them a more socially acceptable way to stay in undefined spaces.-- ☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👀Follow Kwesi:https://www.instagram.com/kwesi_jamaal👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾 Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced/
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Ep. 38 - Situationships, Pt. 1
Our funniest episode yet... Join Sam, Gen, and guest host Kwesi as they share their perspectives on situationships and the value (or harm) they bring, as well as their own situationship experiences post-divorce.
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Ep. 37 - Grieving a Divorce, Pt. 2
In this episode, Sam and Gen are joined by guest host Shereen for Part 2 of their conversation on grieving divorce.Sam reflects openly on his regrets surrounding children, legacy, and the future he once imagined. Gen shares how her parents’ marriage and divorce shaped her expectations of commitment, conflict, and what love was supposed to look like. Together, they explore how early narratives influence adult decisions, and how grief often extends far beyond the end of a relationship.The former couple discuss regret, generational patterns, and the tension between accepting what happened and mourning what never did. This is a conversation about loss, perspective, and the slow work of healing after a shared dream ends.--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👩🏾 Follow Shereen:👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾 Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced/
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Ep. 36 - Grieving A Divorce, Pt. 1
In a deeply relatable episode for anyone who has been touched by divorce, whether their own or that of a loved one , Sam and Gen outline how their respective grieving processes started before the marriage ended, and share the aspects of grief that are still with them today.
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Ep. 35 - We Remember It Differently, Pt. 2
In Part 2 of this conversation, Sam and Gen turn their attention to the stories we tell after a relationship ends, and who those stories are really for.They explore whether Sam has shared the full story of their separation in a way that feels authentic to Gen, and what it means to tell the truth publicly while still honoring personal boundaries. The discussion moves into when full disclosure is helpful, when it can be harmful, and why some details belong in support circles rather than on a public platform.Along the way, Sam and Gen continue to debate parts of their separation, sometimes seriously and sometimes lightheartedly, revealing how time, healing, and perspective change the way the same events are understood.--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Simone:https://www.instagram.com/sim.livelaughlove/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 34 - We Remember it Differently - Pt. 1
In this episode, Sam and Gen are joined by guest host Simone Smithson for a candid conversation about memory and meaning, and why two people can experience the same relationship and remember it completely differently.Through specific moments from their marriage, including how their relationship began, a honeymoon memory that carried opposite emotions, and a gift that was deeply meaningful to one and barely noticed by the other, they explore how memory is shaped by need, emotion, and survival.The former couple also discuss love languages, selective memory, and how reframing the past can either keep us stuck or help us heal. Sam and Gen reflect on how growth changes perspective, how hearing each other’s memories now feels different than it once would have, and why healing does not require perfect agreement.--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Simone:https://www.instagram.com/sim.livelaughlove/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 33 - One-Sided Fights, Pt. 2 - On Boundaries
This episode continues our conversation on conflict—this time focusing on boundaries.With Cheddy back in the guest host seat, we get into how we learned to set limits with each other, the difference between protecting yourself and shutting down, and why men and women often process trauma and seek support differently.We also talk:When to trust your body vs. when to question if it's a trauma responseWhat online dating is doing to connectionAnd how growing up on screens might change the next generation’s ability to loveThis one gets honest, tense, and clarifying.#love #dating #relationships #divorce--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! / samandgengotdivorced 👀 Follow Gen: / cornercounsellor / genevieve.alao.5 👋🏾 Follow Sam: / samueltheconnector / sr3ms 👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast: / samandgengotdivorced / samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 32 - One-Sided Fighting, Pt. 1
What happens when fights are totally one-sided? In this episode, Sam and Gen open up about their fighting styles, how conflict shifted after the honeymoon phase, and the surprising arguments that actually brought them closer together. Returning fan favorite Cheddy joins to push the conversation deeper into boundaries, reflection, and what communication looks like post-divorce.Timestamps:0:00 Intro1:34 Sam & Gen's Fighting Styles When Married2:34 Yelling vs the Silent Treatment5:20 How Fighting Changed After the Honeymoon Stage7:12 Why Avoidants Fight the Way They Do8:38 How Sam and Gen Fight Now12:17 Are You Guys Friends?14:40 Colleagues vs Spouses15:19 Arguments That Brought Us Closer17:12 How Gen Got Through To Sam About Dressing Better19:14 How Communication Improved Post-Separation22:14 Fighting & Self-Reflection23:21 Boundaries Around Communication26:19 Sam vs Gen on Boundaries/YellingIf you’ve ever wondered what really goes on behind closed doors in a marriage—and what happens after—this episode pulls no punches.#SamAndGenGotDivorced #DivorcePodcast #Relationships--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram!https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 31 - Dangerous Divorced Daters, Pt. 2
This one starts calm. It doesn’t stay that way.In what quickly became our most fiery episode yet, Sam and Gen open up about dating in the present tense - what it looks like now, how “situationships” complicate everything, and why modern dating feels like survival of the fittest.From background checks and “Tinder Swindler” fears to why so many men end up looking like frauds, the conversation spirals into deeper questions: Do men and women lose what makes them attractive over time? Are men socialized to be insidious? And where does personal responsibility fit in?By the end, sparks are flying - especially when the “getting back together” question comes up again.Timestamps:1:00 – Sam and Gen on dating now5:01 – Situationships9:35 – Background checks & avoiding Tinder Swindlers12:50 – Dating is rough nowadays13:40 – Why so many men end up frauds15:10 – Do men and women lose what makes them attractive?16:44 – Are men socialized to be insidious? (Sam vs. Gen)23:59 – Sam and Gen on getting back together?25:45 – The blowup: personal responsibilitySupport the show by subscribing and sharing—it helps keep these raw conversations alive.Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, dangerous dating, situationships, Tinder Swindler, modern dating struggles, men vs women, personal responsibility, getting back together, Sam and Gen Got Divorced--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/😁 Follow Samantha:https://www.instagram.com/yourstokeep/https://yourstokeep.ca👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 30 - Dangerous Divorced Daters, Pt. 1
Dating before you’re ready isn’t brave. It’s reckless.In this episode, Sam and Gen strip away the excuses and tell the truth about how they used dating as a distraction - even before the ink on their divorce was dry. The fallout wasn’t abstract. It left scars - on themselves, and on the people they pulled in along the way.Gen admits her pattern of checking out of relationships long before they were over. Samuel owns how he tried to medicate the shock of divorce with hedonism—burning through people and experiences like painkillers.This is what it looks like when avoidance masquerades as connection, and when hurt people keep on hurting people.It’s uncomfortable. It’s honest. And for better of for worse... it’s exactly the kind of conversation that people going through divorce can relate to.Support the show by subscribing and sharing - it keeps the conversation going!Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, reckless dating after divorce, emotional fallout, relationship mistakes, dating too soon, unhealthy coping, checking out of relationships, hedonism and heartbreak, Sam and Gen Got Divorced
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Ep. 29 - Were We Even Attracted To Each Other? Pt. 2
We’re back with the second half of our conversation on attraction—this time, Sam and Gen dive deeper into what attraction really means: is it about looks, energy, or something more? Together with guest host Karen Jewels, the trio wrestle with whether different types of attraction matter, how attraction connects to forgiveness, and what “being attractive” looks like long after the spark fades.There are laughs, disagreements, and some uncomfortable truths—especially when the conversation turns to whether they had enough attraction in their marriage, and what it feels like now, showing up as co-hosts. And yes, we even answer the question everyone’s been asking: are we getting back together?📖*We reference the study “Making the Connection: Social Bonding in Courtship Situations,” published in the American Journal of Sociology, which found that just four minutes of conversation can be enough to spark a meaningful connection.Timestamps:0:51 – How important is attraction?2:00 – Different types of attraction5:35 – How attraction unlocks forgiveness07:15 – Attraction vs. compatibility (Sam & Gen disagree)13:07 – Making yourself more attractive15:40 – Did we have enough attraction?17:15 – How long does attraction really take to develop?20:46 – Love Is Blind — AD & Clay23:06 – What attraction looks like now, podcasting together27:18 – The big one: ARE WE GETTING BACK TOGETHER?Support the show by subscribing and sharing—it helps keep these conversations alive.Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, attraction in relationships, chemistry vs compatibility, forgiveness in marriage, love is blind AD and Clay, relationship advice, emotional safety, who carried the relationship, Sam and Gen Got Divorced
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Ep. 28 - Were We Even Attracted to Each Other? Pt. 1
Attraction brought us together. Or did it?In this episode, we dig into what drew us to each other in the first place—our “types,” our first trip together, and those early moments when curiosity turned into commitment. Spoiler: the answers aren’t what you’d expect.With recording artist Karen Jewels guest hosting, things get even messier (and more honest) as we talk about how attraction fades, how it sometimes flips into repulsion, and what happens when emotional safety disappears inside a marriage. Along the way, we tackle whether you can recover from trauma in-marriage, how attraction shapes respect, and how much weight it should really carry.It’s part funny (watch Gen absolutely fumble the intro), part vulnerable (Sam and Gen confess how they lost their feelings of safety in the marriage), and part raw truth about what attraction really means when the honeymoon ends.Timestamps:1:13 Gen struggles HARD with the podcast intro (funny)04:09 Sam's normal type05:30 Our first time traveling together07:05 The moment Sam realized he was into Gen08:36 Gen's normal type09:40 How Gen realized she was into Sam11:43 How that person's type affects your own attraction13:00 Ways Gen (initially) made Sam feel safe15:08 How attraction transitioned into commitment 18:10 Attraction becomes repulsion 20:46 How Sam made Gen feel unsafe in the marriage (trigger warning)21:53 Can you come back from trauma in-marriage?24:58 How Gen made Sam feel unsafe in the marriage28:53 How much importance to place on attractionKeywords for the algo:divorce podcast, attraction in relationships, chemistry vs compatibility, when attraction fades, marriage dynamics, unsafe relationships, trauma in marriage, Sam and Gen Got Divorced--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Karen:https://www.instagram.com/heykarenjewels👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 27 - Who Carried The Relationship Intellectually? Pt. 2
The debate continues..In part two, Sam and Gen go further into the intellectual dynamics of their marriage. Gen shares the sacrifices she made to create space for Sam’s ideas, and alongside guest hosts Jeff and Joel, Sam and Gen wrestle with whether formal education is really a marker of intellectual strength - or just a piece of paper.The conversation moves beyond surface-level definitions into how intellect actually showed up in their relationship, how each of them made room (or didn’t) for the other’s perspective, and why being “smart” doesn’t always mean being supportive.By the end, both Sam and Gen surprise each other by coming away with different answers than they started with about who REALLY carried the relationship intellectually.Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, intellectual compatibility, education vs intelligence, relationship debates, intellectual sacrifice, marriage dynamics, emotional intelligence, thinking in relationships, who’s smarter in relationships, Sam and Gen Got Divorced--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce or relationships? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Joel:https://www.instagram.com/joelwitton/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 26 - Who Carried The Relationship Intellectually? Pt. 1
What happens when you mix love, intellect, and four people who aren’t afraid to call each other out?Sam and Gen welcome back Jeff and Joel for a spirited debate on what it really means to “carry” a relationship intellectually. Is it about having the higher IQ? Or is it about using your brainpower to keep things healthy, functional, and moving forward?Between playful jabs and unexpected tangents, the crew dives into whether couples need to be intellectual equals, how thinking styles clash , and why the smartest person in the room isn’t always the best partner. Samuel also shares what he’s learned from experiences far outside the comfort zone - including time spent in the slums of Manila.Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, relationship banter, intellectual compatibility, who’s smarter in relationships, love and intellect, emotional intelligence, friendship and debate, Sam and Gen Got Divorced--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce or relationships? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Joel:https://www.instagram.com/joelwitton/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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BONUS EPISODE: Should A Woman Submit? Gen vs. Jeff
In a special bonus episode, Jeff recounts a funny phone call mishap involving Samuel, leading to a lighthearted discussion about Samuel's unique way of saying Genevieve's name. The conversation takes a deeper turn as they explore a pre-marital disagreement about which church to attend, revealing underlying issues involving authority, gender roles, and support systems. 00:25 A Funny Miscommunication"02:04 Church Decision Dilemma05:19 Support and Community in Marriage--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 25 - Who Carried The Relationship Financially? Pt. 2
It's late. We're tired. And somehow... that made this conversation even more honest.In this second installment, Sam and Gen return with Timo to unpack what really defines financial leadership in a relationship. Is it just about who paid the bills? Or is there more to carrying the load than cash flow?They divorced couple explore whether financial mismanagement disqualifies someone from being “the responsible one,” how living independently (or not) before marriage shaped their habits, and what they’ve each learned about emotional and strategic aspects of money.Support the show by subscribing or sharing with someone navigating the mess and meaning of money in relationships.Keywords for the algo:relationship money, financial maturity, couples and money, living alone before marriage, money and emotional labor, financial leadership, financial mismanagement, divorce podcast, marriage money struggles, gender roles and finances--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Timo:https://www.instagram.com/entreprenerds.agency/https://www.instagram.com/thehybridgeek/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 24 - Triggers, Closure, and the Truth About Getting Back Together - Gen Tells All, Pt. 3
In the final installment of this three-part series, Gen gets real about what it’s like to podcast with her ex—and what still gets under her skin.Guest host Shereen doesn’t hold back, asking directly if Gen would ever consider getting back with Sam. Gen answers in full detail, unpacking her reasons, her boundaries, and the growth it took to get to that answer. She also offers her take on the deeper purpose behind this podcast and whether she’d recommend other couples try something similar.And for the first time, Gen opens up in detail about her post-divorce dating life—sharing new, never-before-heard stories and the lessons that came with them.If you’ve ever wondered how people actually move on (or if they really do), this one’s not to be missed.Support the show by subscribing or sharing with someone navigating their own breakup.Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, podcasting with your ex, post-divorce dating, relationship triggers, closure after breakup, emotional growth, co-hosting with your ex, Gen tells all, breakup recovery, emotional intelligence, getting back with your ex, boundary setting--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Shereen:https://www.instagram.com/perspectivestudioproductions👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 23 - The Cost of Saying "I Do" - Gen Tells All, Pt. 2
*Trigger Warning* - Discussion of ab*seIn Part Two of this deeply personal conversation, Gen continues to unpack the emotional and psychological weight of her marriage to Sam. She revisits the choice to marry him—what influenced it, what she ignored, and what it’s like to relive those decisions in hindsight. Gen also opens up about her personal journey through therapy, what led her to become a therapist herself, and the lasting imprint Sam’s behavior left on her long after the relationship ended.This episode is raw, reflective, and at times, difficult. Gen doesn’t shy away from sharing both the healthy and unhealthy ways she coped, offering a nuanced look at what healing can actually look like.Support the show by subscribing, sharing, or sending this to someone who’s working through their own story.Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, why women stay, marriage regret, becoming a therapist, therapy journey, emotional aftermath, breakup healing, relationship coping, mental health, boundaries, emotional labor, trauma recovery--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Shereen:https://www.instagram.com/perspectivestudioproductions👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 22 - "What Changed?" Gen Tells All, Pt. 1
“I didn’t feel emotionally safe anymore.”In this episode, Gen opens up about when things actually started feeling off, what made her say yes in the first place, and how she ignored the red flags.A woman-to-woman conversation on boundaries, alignment, and what happens when the vibe changes after “I do.”Support the show by subscribing or sharing!Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, relationship red flags, marriage expectations, emotional safety, communication in relationships, boundaries, chemistry vs. compatibility, why women say yes, breakup healing, relationship dynamics, faith and marriage--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Shereen:https://www.instagram.com/perspectivestudioproductions👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 21 - Who Carried The Relationship Financially?
Money talks. And in this episode, Sam and Gen talk back.In this conversation, the formerly married pair unpack who actually carried the financial weight in their marriage—and what that even means. Was it 50/50? What about the planning, the execution, the stress? They dive into how gender roles, cultural expectations, and unspoken assumptions all shaped their approach to money as a couple.Topics include:– Why 50/50 isn’t always fair– Who thought they were leading financially (and who actually was)– How culture shaped their beliefs about money– The mental load of financial planning– What they'd do differently nowSupport the show by subscribing or sharing with someone who's bank account could use a little support ;)For the algo:divorce podcast, relationship money problems, financial planning, gender roles in marriage, who should pay, 50/50 relationships, money and power, marriage dynamics, emotional labor, cross-cultural couples, money and mental load--☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Timo:https://www.instagram.com/entreprenerds.agency/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 20 - Who Carried The Relationship Emotionally? Pt. 2
The debate continues...In this follow-up episode, Sam and Gen are joined once again by guest hosts Timo and Valeria to dig even deeper into the emotional dynamics that shaped their past relationship. Picking up right where they left off, the group explores how emotional responsibility was—or wasn’t—shared, how it felt at the time, and what each person has come to realize in hindsight.Expect candid reflections, some surprising admissions, and moments that blur the line between healing and hilarity.Support the show by subscribing and sharing!Your listen helps keep honest conversations like this going.Keywords for the algo:divorce podcast, emotional labor, relationship dynamics, self-awareness, emotional intelligence, healing after divorce, marriage conflict, empathy, couples therapy podcast, breakup recovery☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Timo:https://www.instagram.com/entreprenerds.agency/👀 Follow Valeria:https://www.instagram.com/valeriaa.cravioto/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 19 - Who Carried The Relationship Emotionally?
Sam and Gen, like you've never seen them before... In this podcast episode, hosts Sam and Gen welcome guest hosts Timo and Valeria for a lively debate about who was more of an emotional "pillar" in their marriage. The former couple delves into the emotional dynamics of their past relationship, exploring key pillars of emotional intelligence such as self-awareness, empathy, and emotional regulation. Both Sam and Gen provide candid reflections on their own experiences. As you'll see, Sam and Gen have strongly differing opinions on emotional support in relationships, which they unpack in even greater detail in Pt. 2 (released in June 2025).Please support the show by subscribing!For the algo:Divorce podcast, relationship advice, emotional intelligence, marriage dynamics, self-awareness, empathy, emotional regulation.☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer about divorce, relationships, or emotional intelligence? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Timo:https://www.instagram.com/entreprenerds.agency/👀 Follow Valeria:https://www.instagram.com/valeriaa.cravioto/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 18 - Who Carried The Relationship... Spiritually? Pt. 2
In the second round of our "Who Carried The Relationship?" series, Sam and Gen continue their deep dive into the spiritual aspects of their relationship. Together with Joel, our hosts delve deeper into the complexities of spiritual leadership and discuss the burden of spiritual expectations, the impact of addiction, and the challenges of merging lives with differing spiritual priorities. Guest host Joel Witton helps Sam and Gen uncover the role of community, brutal transparency, and consistent spiritual practices in sustaining a relationship. 01:26 Living Together and Addiction Struggles02:36 Spiritual Leadership and Equally Yoked05:38 The Breaking Point and Confession06:59 Reflecting on Spiritual Efforts15:59 Advice for Their Younger SelvesPlease support the show by subscribing!☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/👨 Follow Joel:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 17 - Who Carried The Relationship... Spiritually? Pt. 1
Exciting news! We're starting a new series called "Who Carried The Relationship?" In this batch of episodes, Sam and Gen will vote on, then debate, who they believe did a better job in their marriage at leading in various areas (finances, emotional intelligence, spirituality, and more).In today's episode, Sam and Gen discuss the significance of a spiritual connection in relationships, highlighting how shared spirituality can form a robust foundation and exploring various interpretations of spirituality beyond conventional religious practices.Sam and Gen examine the necessity of aligning faith and relationships. They discuss how differing spiritual beliefs can affect marriage dynamics and share personal anecdotes reflecting the influence of their shared Christian faith on their marriage, both positively and negatively.Our guest host Joel, who has known Gen since high school, opens up a debate on whether spiritual responsibilities should be equally shared.Sam and Gen also talk through some of the distinctions between religion and spirituality, and offer advice on supporting a partner’s spiritual growth. Please support the show by subscribing!☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/Please support the show by subscribing!👨 Follow Joel:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 16 - It's The Little Things Pt. 2
In the second part of this discussion, Sam, Jeff and Gen uncover how everyday nuisances like stray socks can escalate into bigger issues if ignored. You'll also hear more of Sam's personal story of working through addiction and its effect on his marriage.Sam and Gen go deep on how unresolved minor issues might snowball into major obstacles, and why intimacy is helpful for enduring such challenges. Together with Jeff , the trio delve into strategies for conflict resolution, emphasizing open communication and shared responsibilities and displaying how both vulnerability and humor can be healing forces that help to rebuild intimacy after conflicts.Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/Please support the show by subscribing!👀Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 15 - It's The Little Things Pt. 1
Jeff is back! In this heated episode, Sam and Gen debate with Jeff about whether seemingly insignificant habits or behaviors from one spouse can gradually undermine a healthy marriage. Sam, Gen, and Jeff delve into the importance of communication, understanding, and small adjustments that can make a significant difference in relationship dynamics, ultimately aiming to provide listeners with actionable insights to foster stronger connections with their partners. Additionally, Sam and Gen share personal anecdotes and advice on recognizing and addressing these minor issues before they escalate, empowering couples to create a more harmonious and supportive marital environment. Throughout the discussion, they also touch on the role of empathy and vulnerability in resolving conflicts and nurturing lasting love, encouraging audiences to actively engage in introspective practices that strengthen their partnerships over time. Ultimately, this episode seeks to highlight that by being mindful of everyday behaviors, couples can cultivate a deeper emotional intimacy that enhances their journey together. Please support the show by subscribing!☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/Please support the show by subscribing!👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 14 - Why Are People Petty? Pt. 2
Why are WOMEN petty? In this episode, Gen shares her perspective on why it is more societally acceptable (and understandable) when women demonstrate pettiness after a breakup. The former couple also share their newfound, post-divorce tools for avoiding resentment and the resulting pettiness, as well as a recent conflict that they had and how they dealt with it in healthier ways.This week's host: Valeria C.https://www.instagram.com/valeriaa.cravioto/Please support the show by subscribing!☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/Please support the show by subscribing!👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 13 - Why Are People Petty? Pt. 1
In this episode, we dive into the ups and downs of pettiness in relationships with our pals Sam and Gen. The former couple opens up about their own experiences, from Sam's plant-tossing moment to Gen's insights on pushing buttons in a relationship. We explore the roots of such behavior, tracing it back to childhood and cultural influences, and even throw in a fun game—"Petty or Not"We wrap up with key takeaways on fostering healthier dynamics and the importance of honesty and kindness in relationships.This week's host: Valeria C.https://www.instagram.com/valeriaa.cravioto/Please support the show by subscribing!☎️ Have a question you’d like Sam and Gen to answer? DM us on Instagram! https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/Please support the show by subscribing!👀 Follow Gen:https://www.instagram.com/cornercounsellor/https://www.facebook.com/genevieve.alao.5/👋🏾 Follow Sam:https://www.instagram.com/samueltheconnector/https://www.linkedin.com/in/sr3ms/👩🏿🤝👨🏾Follow The Podcast:https://www.instagram.com/samandgengotdivorced/https://tiktok.com/@samandgengotdivorced
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Trailer - Sam and Gen Got Divorced
Has anyone else ever felt like the life they expected to have Was ripped apart as a result of a divorce Whether it was your own divorce, Or when someone close to you got divorced? If so... we get it. We're Sam and Gen, a formerly married couple… ...who just started talking to each other again, after going through a painful separation and divorce a decade ago. Our journey has been filled with heartache and confusion, But since our separation, we’ve also experienced healing, growth, and hope, as we’ve sought to reclaim our lives. Now, we're on a mission to create a space where -married people can find on-demand, relatable information in times of difficulty. -single people who hope to be happily married one day can learn from our mistakes. -those who have experienced divorce in some way can find support, understanding, and practical guidance. We believe that healing is possible, and we're committed to sharing our stories and insights with vulnerability (and humor! Because sometimes laughter is the best medicine) We’re helping marriages stay together… by sharing what tore us apart. (and since our marriage didn’t work out as expected, maybe our podcast will 😉) #divorce #podcast #healing #marriage #relationships #mentalhealth #samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 12 - The Interrogation, Part Two
What happens when a close friend of the couple gets to ask all the uncomfortable questions he wants, on camera? Sam and Gen are finding out. In Episode 12 of Sam and Gen Got Divorced, things get a bit contentious, as we find out that Sam and Gen remember their premarital process differently. We also explore complex questions like "How much detail about your past should you share with a potential partner?" Join Jeff in getting the questions you really want answered, answered; you won't want to miss this episode! #divorce #podcast #relationships #marriage #samandgengotdivorced
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Ep. 11 - The Interrogation - Part One
In this episode of Sam and Gen Got Divorced, we are joined by special guest Jeff, who pulls no punches in getting into the reasons why the divorce happened. Together we dive deep into the complexities of marriage, self-deception, and healing, exploring topics like premarital counseling, personal growth, and the evolving definitions of sickness and infidelity within marriage. Whether you’re navigating your own relationship or simply curious about the dynamics of Sam and Gen's relationship, this episode is packed with candid insights and heartfelt reflections. Chapters: Meet Jeff: Humor, shirts, and the story behind the podcast Premarital counseling: What’s missing and what we’d do differently Self-deception and readiness for marriage The role of emotional intelligence and asking friends for honest feedback Is marriage an unknown? Taking responsibility for relationship failures: A candid discussion Concept creep: Redefining "sickness" and its impact on marriage vows Advice for those anticipating marriage: Avoiding self-deception Closing thoughts: Lessons learned and fostering healthy conversations
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Ep. 10 - Just Say Yes! - Travel Part 2
Sam and Gen share their honest perspectives on the power of travel to help you grow and find yourself again. Their stories include thoughts on Traveling alone Volunteering your time Group vs solo trips The possibility of traveling together again in the future Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 00:30 - Sam and Gen's personal experiences with travel after divorce 05:00 - Practical tips for using travel as a form of therapy 10:00 - Future travel plans
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Ep. 9 - You Were Wrong, Professor - Travel IS Therapy
Join Sam, Gen, and fellow therapist Alanna (she's back!) for a conversation about the transformative power of travel, particularly in the context of healing after divorce. In this episode, they discuss: Travel as a form of therapy: Does it actually work that way? [0:00-2:00] Samuel's personal experience: Discovering travel during the pandemic in British Columbia. [2:00-5:00] Genevieve's history of travel and her reflections: . [5:00-8:00] The parallels between travel and therapy: Conquering fears, embracing the unexpected, and cultivating self-awareness. [8:00-11:00] Post-divorce healing: Insights for listeners navigating similar experiences on the role travel can play. [11:00-13:00] Solo travel + cultural connection: The value of travelling solo, as well as Samuel's experience connecting with people from different backgrounds. [13:00-15:00] Make sure to like, follow, share, and subscribe!
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Ep. 8 - Dating After Divorce - Part Two
In this episode, Gen gets triggered! (not really) as Sam and Gen continue to unpack their post-divorce dating experiences. They discuss what they learned about the way they related to each other during marriage. Samuel talks about the role lying played in the way he approached marriage, and Gen shares some feedback she's consistently received from people she was getting to know. Sam and Gen also share their unfiltered advice for people who are dating after divorce, including the importance of doing the work to heal from past relationships. Show Notes: 1:30 "Minimum Viable Relationship" 3:30 What they learned about themselves as daters 7:30 Confronting conflict head-on 9:00 Hopelessness and prayer 10:30 Lying in relationships 13:00 Dealing with past relationship baggage in new relationships 15:30 Unconscious behaviors and feedback 18:00 Unfiltered advice
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Ep. 7 - Dating After Divorce - Part One
This week, Samuel and Genevieve are spilling the tea (minus the bitterness) on navigating the wild world of dating after divorce. Buckle up as they share their war stories (okay, maybe not THAT dramatic) and welcome special guest Natasha Halliday, a registered psychotherapist. Timestamps: Emotional Readiness (00:00 - 02:00) Dating Apps vs. The Grocery Store? (02:00 - 05:00) Quality Over Quantity: Finding Your Lobster (05:00 - 08:00) How to Exit Gracefully (08:00 - 12:00) The Three Intelligences of Love (12:00 - 15:00) Public Eye, Private Life: Dating in the Spotlight (15:00 - 18:00) Shared Values: Building a Foundation that Lasts (18:00 - 21:00) Dating and Personal Growth (21:00 - 23:00)
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Ep. 6 - They Were Playing "Marriage Chicken" - And They're Only Realizing It Now
In this eye-opening episode, Sam and Gen uncover the truth about their rushed marriage: they both acted on assumptions about what the other wanted. With guest host & psychotherapist Alanna's support, they delve into the overlooked red flags and communication breakdowns that occurred during Year 1 of their marriage, as well as the impact of their assumptions. Samuel also shares what he believes to be the crowning achievement of their time a married couple. As they navigate this challenging conversation, they end up rediscovering some of the love and admiration that brought them together in the first place. Key Points: Rushed into Marriage: Both Sam and Gen acknowledge that they rushed into their marriage, driven by a desire to move quickly and a competitive spirit. Ignored Red Flags: They discuss how they overlooked red flags in their relationship, such as their differing communication styles and unresolved personal issues. Communication Breakdown: They delve into specific instances of poor communication, including Sam's tendency to escalate arguments and Gen's habit of withdrawing. Personal Growth: Both individuals reflect on their personal growth and the lessons they've learned from their marriage. Future Hopes: They discuss their hopes for the future, including building a stronger foundation for future relationships and using their experiences to help others. Timestamps: 0:00 - 10:00: Introduction and discussion of rushing into marriage. 10:00 - 20:00: Deep dive into communication breakdowns and unresolved issues. 20:00 - 30:00: Reflection on personal growth and lessons learned. 30:00 - 33:38: Future hopes and concluding thoughts.
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Ep. 5 - Gen Can't Remember Why They Fell in Love
In this episode, Sam, Gen, and special guest Alanna delve into the origins of Sam and Gen's relationship. They discuss how they met, their first impressions, and early dates, including amusing misunderstandings and Genevieve's initial attempts to be Samuel's wingwoman. The episode highlights their complementary personalities and shared values, while also shedding light on the challenges they faced when introducing each other to their families and friends. Listeners are invited to enjoy the heartfelt and humorous recounting of their love story's beginnings. 00:00 Introduction and Special Guest Announcement 00:35 How Sam and Gen Met 02:02 First Impressions 04:24 The First Date 05:30 Developing Feelings 12:01 Friends and Family Reactions 16:59 Red Flags 🚩
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Ep. 4 - "How Do You Tell Your Friend Their Fiancé is Trash?" And Other Questions
In the second of two episodes filmed in front of a live audience, Sam and Gen tackle complex questions from audience members around what they would have done differently if they had a time machine, the difficulties in seeking honest feedback during early marital struggles, cultural differences in divorce rates, and the impact of expectations on relationships. This conversation also explores the benefits of working together post-divorce, and why they decided to combine forces. 00:00 Honest Feedback in About Friends' Relationships 04:23 Cultural Perspectives on Divorce - Do They Do It Better in Sri Lanka? 10:14 Advice to Our Younger Selves 19:39 Why Do Something Like This, Together 23:44 Final Thoughts, Gratitude, And How You Can Help
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Ep. 3 - Why Would A Divorced Couple Do a Podcast Together?
In a heartfelt conversation held in front of a live audience, Samuel and Genevieve reflect on their marriage, subsequent divorce, and the journey towards healing and helping others, including their transformation from a divorced couple to co-creators of a supportive platform for those affected by divorce. With a focus on transparency, the impact they've experienced in sharing their story, and their vision to decrease the divorce rate through greater understanding and resources, they invite listeners into an authentic dialogue about relationships, challenges, and recovery. Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 02:33 Reliving Sam and Genevieve's Wedding Day 05:15 The Pain of Our Divorce 13:59 How We Reconnected 18:01 The Decision to Collaborate 21:38 The Role of Storytelling in Healing 25:13 Vision for the Future 35:48 Concluding Thoughts
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Ep. 1 - The Real Reason We Got Divorced (Part 1 of 2)
In this episode, host Chadwick interviews Genevieve Alao and her ex-husband Samuel Robertson, who discuss the real reason behind their divorce and how they navigated the aftermath The conversation touches on memorable moments from their past, early signs of marital trouble, struggles with addiction, and the emotional turmoil surrounding their separation. They also delve into their coping mechanisms, the impact on their faith, and the role of therapy. The episode aims to offer hope and guidance to those experiencing similar challenges, emphasizing the potential for transformation and quality relationships despite the pain of divorce. 00:00 Introduction and Overview 00:44 Favorite Moments 03:13 Early Signs of Trouble 05:05 The Decision to Divorce 09:16 Coping 12:18 Reflections and Moving Forward 23:28 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Ep. 2 - Failure, Blame, and Stories from Friends ("We Go Through The Divorce Too!") - Part 2 of 2
In this episode, Genevieve and Samuel share more about about their past relationship and marriage. They discuss the idea of failure in relationships, emphasizing the concept of 'transitioning' rather than 'failing.' Both share their journey of self-discovery, the pivotal moments that led to personal growth, and how they navigated their post-separation lives. They also reflect on the impact of their separation on their mutual friends and families, the importance of support systems, and the continuous process of healing. We also hear from some of their close friends about how being their through Sam and Gen's courtship, marriage, and divorce affected their own self-perception. 00:28 Redefining Failure in Relationships 02:39 Personal Growth and Self-Reflection 04:57 Moments of Change 10:16 Blame and Accountability in Relationships 14:38 Coping with Isolation During Grief 15:28 Death vs Divorce and the Grieving Process 16:57 Collaborating Post-Divorce 19:06 Message of Hope and Recovery 20:14 A Man's Perspective on Failure and Growth 22:30 The Bridal Party Speaks - Sheldon, Kalenea, and Simone Share Their Experiences 28:36 Final Thoughts and Future Outlook
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
We're Sam and Gen, a formerly married couple currently navigating the complex landscape of divorce. Our journey has been filled with heartache, confusion, and doubt, but it has also been a path to healing, growth, and hope.Together, we're on a mission to create a space where those experiencing divorce can find support, understanding, and practical guidance. We're committed to sharing our stories and insights to help others on their own journeys.#divorce #healing #marriage #relationships #mentalhealth
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