That's Some Real Shift

Last episode, you heard Wayne Ogden's story of redemption that inspired everyone who listened. This week, you'll hear his daughters perspective.McCall Ogden Hicken was just seven years old when everything changed. Death threats at 3 AM. News stations at the door. Losing everything overnight. Her childhood included three-hour drives to prison for dad visits, weekly phone calls, and constant judgment from others who thought they knew her story.But McCall refused to let her circumstances define her future.In this powerful episode, McCall shares the other side of her father Wayne's story—what it was really like growing up with a parent in prison. From navigating cruel comments in fourth grade to taking her own children to meet their grandfather behind bars, McCall opens up about the moments that shaped her, the mother who held their family together, and how she learned to block out other people's opinions while holding onto her own truth. She also shares the close relationship with her father, and how his letters and words and how her mother handled this situation helped her get through it.Today, McCall is a top 10% real estate agent in Utah and the #1 sales agent at her brokerage. Her success didn't come from privilege—it came from resilience, determination, and refusing to give up even when someone told her "maybe real estate isn't for you."In this episode, you'll hear:What it's really like for a child when a parent goes to prisonHow McCall's mother became a superhero by never badmouthing her fatherThe moment a teacher's comment lit a fire that changed everythingHow she went from healthcare to real estate success (and almost quit)Why the moment you want to give up means you're closer to success than you thinkThis is a story about survival, resilience, and the power of refusing to be defined by circumstances beyond your control.Resources mentioned: Tony Robbins' Unleash the Power Within

Content Note: This episode includes discussion of suicidal thoughts. Listener discretion is advised.Everyone loves a comeback story — but the real ones don’t start with success.They start with ownership, and changing your life from the inside out. In this episode, Wayne Ogden shares the honest, uncomfortable moments that forced him to face his past and choose accountability over excuses — a decision that ultimately reshaped his life. This story will inspire you, motivate you, and if you have a dog that is out of control or you're in need of service dog training, you will have found the man that will get it done.Wayne Ogden is a professional dog trainer specializing in behavior transformation and service dog training. There is no dog he doesn't take on. He also offers a certification pathway for individuals interested in becoming service dog trainers , or just dog training in general.If you’re interested in dog training, service dogs, or exploring certification opportunities, you can find Wayne’s information and links below. Wayne Ogden Big Dog AcademyBigDogAcademy.com  435) 893-5962 If you or someone you know is struggling or having thoughts of self-harm, support is available. In the U.S., you can call or text 988 to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.

In this episode of That’s Some Real Shift, I sit down with world-renowned hypnotist James Gustason to talk about why anxiety isn’t the real problem, how the brain gets stuck in patterns, and what actually helps when willpower isn’t enough.This is a real, down-to-earth conversation about how the mind works, what hypnosis really is (and isn’t), and the small internal shifts that can create real change.Special listener bonus:If you book a session with James at https://heal.me/james and mention That’s Some Real Shift, you’ll receive $25 off your session.You’re not broken.Sometimes, you just need a shift.