The Commercial Painting Podcast

In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, we talk to Ben Maibach and Michael Stephens from the Wooster Brush Company, discussing the company's rich history, employee-centric culture, and innovative products. They explore how Wooster Brush maintains its manufacturing in the USA, the importance of community engagement, and the balance between profitability and employee care. The conversation also touches on future trends in the painting industry and the leadership principles that guide the company. Key Takeaways·       Wooster Brush has been in operation for 175 years, emphasizing quality and community.·       The company employs around 600 people, primarily from the local area in Wooster, Ohio.·       The company has not laid off any employees since 1954, showcasing job security.·       Wooster Brush focuses on long-term employee relationships and community involvement.·       Product innovation is driven by feedback from contractors and end-users.·       Labor savings are achieved through efficient product design and quality tools.·       The majority of Wooster Brush products are manufactured in the USA.·       Automation and robotics are used to enhance efficiency in manufacturing.Connect with Our GuestsBen Maibach on LinkedInMichael Stephens on LinkedIn⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠ Connect with Us⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠Request a FREE 1-Hour Consultation with David Chism Episode Sponsors⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)DC Marketing Group If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to like, share and subscribe!

ABOUTIn this episode, David and Aaron talk to Luke Reinhart about `the world of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, exploring its origins, benefits, and the personal journey of Luke as a martial artist and business owner. They discuss how Jiu-Jitsu can empower individuals, particularly women, and how the discipline learned on the mat translates into valuable skills in business. Luke shares insights on building a successful martial arts academy, the importance of faith in personal growth, and the parallels between martial arts and entrepreneurship.TakeawaysBrazilian Jiu-Jitsu originated from mixed martial arts and gained popularity through the UFC.Luke started martial arts at five years old, influenced by his father's teachings.Consistency and intentionality are key to success in both Jiu-Jitsu and business.Failure is a necessary part of the learning process in Jiu-Jitsu and business.Building a strong curriculum and systems is essential for running a successful martial arts academy.Conflict in Jiu-Jitsu mirrors challenges in life and business, providing growth opportunities.Hiring individuals with a martial arts background can bring discipline and resilience to a business.CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTLuke RinehartCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠Request a FREE 1-Hour Consultation with David ChismEPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)DC Marketing GroupIf you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

ABOUTIn this conversation, Aaron, Julie Zamski, and Paul Trautmann discuss the pivotal role of Sherwin-Williams in the commercial painting industry, the current market trends, and the opportunities available for contractors. They discuss various sectors such as water and power, public works, and the importance of business development for smaller contractors. The discussion also covers challenges and opportunities in floor and roof coatings, the significance of networking and trade shows, and predictions for growth in various sectors including healthcare and hospitality. The conversation concludes with insights on upcoming opportunities related to the Olympics and stadium projects.Key Takeaways50% of projects in the commercial sector are renovations.Data centers are a major growth driver for the future.Understanding product applications is crucial for contractors.Networking at trade shows is essential for business growth.The flooring business presents significant opportunities.Roof coatings can be a viable entry point for contractors.Education and training are vital for entering new markets.The upcoming Olympics will create new investment opportunities.CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTJulie ZamskiPaul TrautmannSherwin-WilliamsCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠Request a FREE 1-Hour Consultation with David ChismEPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)DC Marketing GroupIf you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

SUMMARYIn this conversation, David and Aaron talk to Aaron Cote about the intersection of AI and SEO, discussing how AI is transforming digital marketing strategies, particularly for commercial painting companies. They delve into the importance of authenticity in content creation, the role of Google Business Profile, and best practices for leveraging AI tools effectively. The discussion emphasizes the need for a learning mindset in SEO and the significance of quality over quantity in content and reviews.Key TakeawaysAI has significantly changed the landscape of SEO and content creation.Commercial painting companies can benefit from understanding their audience's problems.Authenticity in content is crucial for SEO success.Google Business Profile enhances credibility and trust for businesses.Quality of reviews is more important than quantity in today's market.AI can assist in content creation but should not replace human touch.CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTavisualglitch.comCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠Request a FREE 1-Hour Consultation with David ChismEPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)DC Marketing GroupIf you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

ABOUTIn this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, host Aaron turns the mic and interviews co-host David Chism, a fifth-generation painter and marketing expert. They discuss David's journey from San Diego to Maryland, the influence of faith on his business practices, and the evolution of marketing strategies in the painting industry. David shares success stories from his marketing firm, the impact of AI on marketing, and resources for contractors to enhance their marketing knowledge. The conversation concludes with insights into the growth of Chism Brothers Painting from retail to commercial painting.CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTS⁠DC Marketing Group⁠CONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Request a FREE 1-Hour Consultation with David Chism⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠DC Marketing Group⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

ABOUTIn this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, host David Chism welcomes Mike Green, a seasoned sales professional with a unique journey from college basketball to the commercial painting industry. Mike shares his story of transitioning from a potential career in professional sports to a successful role in sales and business development. He discusses the challenges and triumphs of self-generating leads, the importance of maintaining a consistent prospecting routine, and the value of building a strong referral network. Mike emphasizes the significance of having a structured sales process and the impact it can have on closing rates and overall business success.Throughout the conversation, Mike and David explore the dynamics of sales roles in the painting industry, highlighting the benefits of a hybrid model where sales reps are trained in both business development and estimating. They discuss the importance of hiring individuals with a competitive spirit and a proven track record, regardless of their prior experience in the trades. Mike shares insights on how to motivate sales teams to take initiative and generate their own leads, especially during slower seasons.The episode also touches on Mike's recent transition to the roofing industry, where he applies his sales expertise to train and lead a team at Ironhead Roofing. He reflects on the similarities between the two industries and the importance of having a system in place to ensure success.CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTSIronhead [email protected] WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠Request a FREE 1-Hour Consultation with David ChismEPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)DC Marketing GroupIf you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

ABOUTIn this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, hosts David and Aaron discuss the recent events surrounding Charlie Kirk, exploring their personal reactions, the impact of his death, and the broader implications for free speech and faith in society. They reflect on the importance of civil discourse, the need for open conversations, and the lessons learned from Kirk's life and legacy. The discussion emphasizes the significance of standing up for one's beliefs while fostering understanding and respect among differing viewpoints.You’ll also hear:Why understanding the influence of public figures like Charlie Kirk is essential.Why the impact of Charlie Kirk's death has resonated deeply with many.How we are leading our businesses and families in light of this tragedy.The need for civility and respectful discourse in political discussions.Family discussions about values and beliefs are important for growth.CONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠Request a FREE 1-Hour Consultation with David ChismEPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠DC Marketing Group⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTYale RosenABOUTInsurance is one of those topics every contractor needs but few want to dig into. In this episode, Aaron sits down with Yale Rosen, Risk Advisor at Risk Strategies, to break down the insurance essentials that commercial painting contractors should understand. Yale explains what matters, what to watch for, and how to work with a broker who actually adds value (instead of showing up once a year at renewal).You’ll also hear:The difference between insurance and risk management.When smaller contractors can get by with direct-to-carrier vs. when it’s time to bring in a broker.How safety culture, claims handling, and deductible choices can impact premiums.Why shopping insurance the wrong way can hurt your pricing.The growing importance of cyber coverage and when it’s worth it.And as a bonus, Yale shares his unique path from minor league baseball in the Padres organization to helping contractors nationwide protect their businesses.Whether you’re new to commercial work or running a multimillion-dollar operation, this episode gives you practical takeaways to strengthen your insurance strategy.CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTRisk StrategiesYale on LinkedInCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠Request a FREE 1-Hour Consultation with David ChismEPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠DC Marketing Group⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTAnnie NewtonABOUTIn this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, Annie Newton shares her journey from running a successful painting company in Washington to leading ProfitWorks, a firm that helps painting and service-based businesses grow through fractional CFO services and remote staffing solutions. With over two decades of experience in the trades, Annie offers profound insights on scaling smart, building effective financial back offices, and leveraging remote talent the right way.She breaks down the differences between controllers and CFOs and when a business needs each. Annie also discusses the common “Death Valley” businesses that hit between $3–5 million in revenue—and how having the right systems, mindset, and talent can help push through to the next level.Listeners will learn:The right time to bring in fractional CFO or controller supportHow to restructure your back office for growthThe pros and cons of hiring remote (especially offshore) talentWhy leadership buy-in is essential for remote hiring successHow to avoid common pitfalls with offshore workers—like poor accountability or lack of ROIWhy culture, clarity, and communication are essential for leveraging global teamsWhether you’re trying to offload tactical tasks, improve financial visibility, or reimagine your org chart, Annie’s insights are invaluable for leaders looking to scale their painting or trade business with confidence.CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTProfitWorksCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠DC Marketing Group⁠⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTGlenn WilliamsonABOUTIn this episode, Glenn Williamson, founder of New Haven Painting, shares his journey from humble beginnings to running a respected painting business known for its integrity, precision, and customer care. Glenn opens up about how he built New Haven Painting from the ground up, the importance of relationships in the trades, and how word-of-mouth marketing continues to be a pillar of his growth strategy. What makes him unique is the technology he uses to grow his business and the data points he pays attention to.In this episode he covers:-How to filter through leads to find your optimal customer-Strategies on how to find potential customers to grow your business -Must have technology to manage and organize deals-How to use a CRM to move a bid into a customer-The tech stack he uses to find, convert, and keep customers-When data can be bad and lead to costly decisionsWhether you’re a fellow tradesperson or just love a good small business story, this episode delivers actionable wisdom and inspiration. Adding software to your process can be scary, but Glenn shares how you can not only do it but also use these programs to streamline your business. CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTNew Haven PaintersCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)DC Marketing Group If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTZach KenneyABOUTIs social media just a thing the kids do these days? Not for Zach Kenney with ZK Painting. He's sold over $9 million in painting jobs on Instagram alone without spending a dollar on ads. He's known for his high-end residential work, but his methods apply to any painting contractor who wants to grow their business without blowing their budget.What started out as a punishment turned into a career, and quickly the love of the work grew into a very profitable business. In this show, we go over some of the pivotal things that turned Zach into a CEO and social media savant.-How to know your audience and when to go after your niche and let go of market space that's not a fit.-Knowing your paints and your finishes improves your products-What to focus on with social media and it's not likes-What actually is "influencer marketing" and is it worth it?-The metrics to focus on that lead to actual sales-Content going viral vs content that makes you money and how they're different.-What equipment do you actually need to make content for social?Social media can be used for a million things, and it can get overwhelming fast when you think about all the things you COULD do, but Zach breaks it down and goes over just what you SHOULD do. You don't need a team, you don't need a million followers, you don't need a camera crew, you just need to keep your customer in mind and make something. In just a few years, Zach made over $9 million in sales without spending a dime. This podcast goes over all the things he did that you can easily do too!CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST⁠ZK PaintingCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠⁠DC Marketing Group⁠⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTLinnea BlairABOUTLinnea Blair has influenced and improved the health of several business owners, including your hosts David and Aaron. In this episode, Linnea Blair shares her journey of working with painting contractors, starting in 2002 when she created a coaching program for members of the PDCA (Painting and Decorating Contractors of America), where she immediately got 18 sign-ups. She explains how understanding financials, particularly estimating accurately and knowing key numbers, was pivotal in helping contractors like Mike Chism (David’s father) grow and improve profitability. She emphasizes the importance of business owners knowing their financials — even if they have help — and consistently reviewing budget-to-actual comparisons. In this episode we cover:-How to set appropriate benchmarks that are realistic and growth-minded-What numbers are important, and what numbers are misleading that could be ruining your profit margin-What are optimal profit margins, and what metrics do you focus on to get there-How to build a budget that’s accurate and up-to-date-What your standard operating costs should be if you’re scaling correctlyShe outlines crucial financial metrics: revenue, gross profit margin (ideally 45-50% for painting contractors), and net operating profit (targeting 20-25% before owner’s compensation). Linnea defines gross profit clearly, separating direct costs from variable expenses and overhead for better benchmarking. She stresses that solid gross profit and financial literacy are key to both profitability and scalability.Additionally, she discusses maintaining healthy cash reserves (three months of expenses) and gives a balanced view on business debt, advocating caution and readiness before leveraging it for growth.The episode can really be summed up with this: owners don’t need to love financials, but they must understand and take ownership of their numbers to ensure their businesses thrive. Tune in to hear all the broken-down ways ⁠Advisors on Target⁠ can help your business grow!CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTAdvisors on TargetCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠⁠DC Marketing Group⁠⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTSBrian Jurgens and Tim KenneyABOUTBoston is known for its unique architecture and rich history; today we get to meet the family that’s spent the last half century painting it all! The legendary Tim Kenney and Brian Jurgens.This fourth-generation company started by selling paint door to door during the Great Depression. When your business has thrived for that long, you’ve had to not only adapt but also tread in waters where no one has gone before. We get into how Tim was convinced to step into the family business and how later on the torch got passed down to Brian.Being based in New England, W.T. Kenney has had painting jobs like the President’s suites at Gillette Stadium, lawyers offices for the Celtics, revolutionary war buildings, a 100’ flagpole on the Lexington battle green, Harvard, and so many more.It wasn’t an easy road; Brian would spend the days painting and at night change into his school clothes, going for his MBA. Tim had other aspirations until his dad pulled him aside and asked him to join the family business, a question that would change his life.In this episode we cover:- The financial changes when you move into ownership- The little things Tim does to improve customer relations- How to transition a family business down without hindering progress- Will the fourth generation pass the business off to the fifth generation?- Brian’s plans for the future as the new face of the companyThey’ve been featured on NPR and the Boston Globe for their work, all while maintaining family values and staying true to what they stand for. Tune in for the rest of the episode and hear the incredible stories on not only how they managed business but also all of the incredible projects they’ve been a part of.CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST⁠W.T. Kenney Co.CONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠⁠DC Marketing Group⁠⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTAlec KinardABOUTHundreds of employees, over a hundred million in revenue, and the need for a new CEO at Graydaze Contracting and the person to fill the role is none other than 29 year old, Alec Kinard.So many people associate CEO’s with grey hair but as Alec proves, age is just a number when you lead with trust and integrity.In this episode Alec goes into his short but vast history in contracting. Some of the things he covers are:-How to lead people older and more experienced-The roles of a CEO and the three key things to pay attention to-Habits and groups to be a part of to stay on top of your life-The future of Graydaze Contracting and the contracting industry-Top advice for the next generation of leadersMore about Graydaze:Graydaze Contracting specializes in the installation of architectural paints, specialty coatings, high-performance sealants, resinous flooring, and industrial slab repair—all under one roof. Their single-source approach simplifies what is often a complex process, eliminating the need to coordinate multiple finish trades. The result? A streamlined, efficient solution that saves both time and money.Their rapid success stems from our ability to professionally manage a wide range of projects, meet tight deadlines, and deliver durable, high-quality finishes that stand the test of time, all under the leadership of Alec Kinard!CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTGraydaze ContractingCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠⁠DC Marketing Group⁠⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTMatt AdamsABOUTTired of hearing about the magic of Google? Or maybe the “magical” 5 steps to grow your business through SEO? That’s probably because we learn at a young age that magic is a bad business word that really means smoke and mirrors or give me money and I’ll tell you a weak secret.Believe it or not, you don’t have to learn a foreign language to use Google to help grow your business. Simple things like, what words you use in your business profile to be better recognized in search engines and how tools you can use to check areas you’re missing that are hurting your Google ranking. Now meet SEO expert from Linda.co, Matt.Matt started in marketing about 12 years ago. In those years he’s been involved in full-stack marketing and growing companies using local search words, Google profiles, websites, and anything and everything to help turn leads into customers.This is where we learn about the company, Linda.Linda is a company that exists to master local SEO for all businesses like plumbers, HVAC, painters, and more. Matt breaks down how to grow your search authority against your competitors so that when Googled, your company shows up first. It's not rocket science that ranking higher will get more clicks, more clicks turn into more leads, more leads turn into more customers, and...well you get it.This show covers:-Google business profiles and how to use them to be seen-Maximizing some basic areas like using the correct language to exponentially grow your search position-Having the proper data and the links that the internet looks for to be validated-Optimizing your Google URL to improve your rank-Internet tools that you can use to see if you’re compliant or not to improve your keyword success-Your company address matters to Google more than you know-Having smarter content, not just moreMatt goes on to explain how you can make sure your company can comply with Google’s terms of service and so many basic, low-hanging fruits that so many businesses are missing. Everyone knows that if you’re not visible, you’re not getting customers but what people don’t know is how easy and important some of these basic things are. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST⁠Linda.coCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠DC Marketing Group⁠⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTDavid FrancoABOUTReady to take your team to the next level? In this episode, David Franco of Protiv drops some serious knowledge on how to build a powerhouse team that delivers every time. From scaling a $10M business to tackling labor management, David reveals how Protiv’s performance-based solutions turn ordinary workers into top performers. Think creative contests, tech-driven performance tracking, and recognizing your team’s wins in ways that fuel motivation. Tune in to the episode for dynamic tips that will transform your crew into a high-performing, unstoppable force that keeps your business thriving. CONNECT WITH OUR GUESTProtivCONNECT WITH US⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠EPISODE SPONSORS⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA)⁠⁠DC Marketing Group⁠⁠If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Aaron Cooper ABOUT Imagine a sales team that never sleeps, a receptionist with infinite patience, and a marketing department fueled by data-driven insights—all rolled into one incredibly efficient AI.  That's the power of Sameday AI. This episode features Aaron Cooper, the visionary behind Sameday AI. Find out how this innovative technology is helping businesses achieve seamless operations and exponential growth. Learn how Sameday seamlessly integrates with existing software, adapts to your unique needs, and continuously improves, driving booking rates up to an impressive 90%+ for many clients. Discover the secrets to maximizing efficiency and exceeding customer expectations. Tune in to the full episode to hear Aaron's insights and discover how Sameday AI can revolutionize your operations! CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Sameday AI CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠ ⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Dan Johnson ABOUT Join us for an insightful conversation with Dan Johnson, Global Total Markets Manager at Graco, as he shares the company's rich history—from its humble beginnings in 1926 lubricating vehicles to its current position as a leader in various industries, including commercial painting. Dan details Graco's four business pillars, highlighting the company's commitment to end-user focus and innovation. He discusses Graco's rigorous product testing, ensuring optimal performance and productivity for its customers.  Learn how Graco's dedication to understanding contractor needs, from on-site observations to comprehensive training programs, drives its ongoing innovation pipeline and commitment to delivering profitable, high-quality tools.  CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Dan Johnson on LinkedIn Graco CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠ ⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Liz Chism ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, Liz Chism dives into the power of systems and processes for contractors. Liz explains how she helps contractors identify and solve business pain points to scale efficiently. She discusses her "Contractor Operating System," which includes five key steps: simplify, strategize, systemize, ensure sustainability, and scale. Liz also shares insights on the importance of measuring specific metrics, like tracking leads and operational hours, to focus efforts where they matter most. Through real-world anecdotes, she illustrates how disciplined measurement and clarity can lead to remarkable transformations, reducing workload while boosting business growth. Listen in to learn how Liz's strategies can help streamline operations and propel your business to new heights. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST LizChism.com Liz on Facebook⁠ CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠ ⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Karyn Greenstreet ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, we interview Karyn Greenstreet on the transformative impact of MastermindGroups, where peers collaborate on creative solutions. Karyn highlights the essential role of facilitators, the benefits of different group types, and key success factors like privacy and respect. She also shares exercises to enhance group dynamics and offers tips on finding the right group. Listen in to gain valuable insights on optimizing mastermind groups for personal and professional growth. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST ⁠The Success Alliance Synergy Mastermind Group CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠ ⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Kevin Nolan ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, Kevin Nolan, Co-Founder of Nolan Consulting Group, shares his entrepreneurial journey in the painting industry and the transition to residential painting. He emphasizes the importance of a strong management team in driving business success.Kevin discusses key concepts from his book, Organizational Muscle, including intelligent neglect, emotional control, and achieving balance in personal and professional life.Tune in and discover practical advice on future planning, stressing the significance of lifelong learning for both personal growth and business development. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Organizational Muscle Nolan Painting CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠The Wooster Brush Company⁠ ⁠⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Brian Drucks ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, Brian Drucks, a fourth-generation tradesman and founder of WhereTradesGo.com shares his journey from residential wallpaper to commercial painting and the creation of his app designed to revolutionize recruitment in the construction industry.The app, inspired by dating platforms, connects tradespeople with job opportunities by matching profiles based on skills and needs. Brian discusses the challenges of building and funding the app, its benefits for tradespeople and contractors, and the unique features that set it apart from traditional job boards.Tune in for insights on this innovative approach to construction recruitment. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST WhereTradesGo.com CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS The Wooster Brush Company ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Heinrich Schmid ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, join us as we welcome the fifth-generation leader of the Heinrich Schmid Group, Heinrich Schmid, as he reveals the company’s rich history, from its founding in 1914 to its current status with 7,000 employees and a 900 million euro turnover. Heinrich delves into the German apprenticeship system, detailing how internal training and strategic recruitment from high schools ensure a steady pipeline of skilled workers. Heinrich also discusses the company’s strategy of decentralized goal-setting and its approach to industry trends, including integrated service offerings and centralized support functions, to drive growth and innovation. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST heinrich-schmid.com CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSOR The Wooster Brush Company If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Brian Nolan ABOUT In the latest episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, Brian Nolan from Nolan Consulting delves into the crucial theme of succession planning.  Discover various succession pathways, such as passing to family, selling to employees, bringing in investors, or adopting the GM model. Moreover, underscoring the importance of preparing for unforeseen circumstances with a detailed crisis plan, Brian advocates for a comprehensive seven-year strategy to facilitate a seamless transition.  Whether you're a startup or a seasoned business, Brian Nolan's expertise provides essential advice for strategically shaping your company's future. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Nolan Consulting CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Grant Schiller ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, we dive deep into the world of email marketing with Grant Schiller, Founder of Treemont Consulting.  Discover the essentials of effective email marketing for commercial painting businesses, including DIY best practices and the benefits of outsourcing to specialists like Treemont Consulting, with insights on impactful emails, follow-ups, and lead nurturing strategies. Whether you're just starting out or looking to scale your business, this episode provides valuable advice to help you achieve better results with your email outreach efforts. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Treemont Consulting CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Scott Lollar ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, Scott Lollar from Consulting4Contractors discusses his journey from residential to commercial painting, sharing his extensive industry experience, highlighting the importance of seizing opportunities, teamwork, clear contracts, safety measures, and understanding commercial clients. Scott also shares about CPIA Emerging Leaders, a new association program to educate and inspire the next generation of business leaders in our industry. Tune in to learn how to transition smoothly into commercial painting and expand your business. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Consulting 4 Contractors CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ CPIA Emerging Leaders⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Johnny Maghzal ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, special guest Johnny Maghzal, Head of Growth at Togal.AI dives into the transformative impact of AI on the construction industry, revolutionizing the estimation process, making it faster and more efficient. Before AI, estimators struggled with manual tasks like uploading and renaming drawings, leading to inefficiencies and confusion, especially when team members were unavailable. With Togal's AI-powered platform, these issues are resolved, enabling real-time collaboration and significantly reducing the time spent on repetitive tasks. Tune in to learn how AI is enhancing productivity and reshaping the future of construction, and how it can elevate your construction business to new heights. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Togal.AI CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST John Bryant ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, we have John Bryant from PaintScout, who shares his journey from an unexpected start in the painting industry to developing the PaintScout software. John discusses the critical role of sales in painting and the importance of data-driven decisions. He reveals insights from PaintScout's analysis of top-performing sales reps, emphasizing the value of lead vetting and maintaining relationships.  Join us as we learn how successful salespeople manage their time and focus on high-value leads, balancing strategic customer engagement with efficiency. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Paintscout.com CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Rob Brown ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, we delve into the transformative power of leadership with special guest Rob Brown, former Chief Executive of Scripps Green Hospital in San Diego, California.  From his early days growing up in San Diego to his distinguished career in healthcare administration, Rob shares invaluable insights into leadership, change management, and the journey to excellence. Join us as we uncover the importance of asking great questions, empowering teams, and driving deliberate, purposeful change to achieve organizational success. CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Jason Parker ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, we dive deep into the journey of Jason Parker, founder of Performance Painting in Jacksonville, Florida.  From humble beginnings to scaling a successful painting business, Jason shares insights into his entrepreneurial journey. We explore pivotal moments, like landing a massive project to rebrand gas stations along the Eastern seaboard, and the challenges of expanding into new markets, such as Tampa. Jason's candid reflections on shifting from residential to commercial painting projects, and the importance of maintaining the right company culture offer valuable lessons for aspiring entrepreneurs.  Join us as we uncover the triumphs and trials of building a thriving commercial painting business. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Performance Painting website CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Dwain DeVille ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, we sit down with Dwain DeVille, founder of the The CEO Ride. A seasoned entrepreneur, author, and avid biker, Dwain brings over 30 years of boardroom experience to the table, offering a no-nonsense approach that drives real results for businesses. Drawing from his extensive experience, Dwain delves into whether entrepreneurs possess an inherent knack for attracting top talent or if it's a skill that can be learned.The age-old question of whether entrepreneurs are born or made is also explored, with Dwain offering his perspective on the teachability of entrepreneurship. Through engaging anecdotes and practical wisdom, Dwain navigates the complexities of entrepreneurial success, offering valuable insights for both seasoned veterans and aspiring business leaders alike. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST theceoride.com Dwain on LinkedIn CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Gary Gray ABOUT In today’s episode of The Commercial Painting Podcast, we sit down with Gary Gray, Chairman of Graydaze Contracting and the founder of ESOP Consulting Group. Gary shares his journey in the painting business and his decision to implement an Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP), emphasizing the importance of culture, key decision-making, and project focus. He shares ESOP benefits like tax advantages and wealth-building for employees and their impact on morale and performance. Gary also addresses potential drawbacks and expenses, stressing the need for long-term commitment. TIME STAMPS 00:00 Introduction to Gary Gray and Graydaze Contracting  01:20 Gary Gray's Evolution in the Painting Business 03:41 Focus on Warehouse Painting 05:38 Key Decisions and Turning Points 07:42 The Importance of Culture 08:23 Adapting to Changes in Culture and Trends 09:53 Challenges of Scaling the Business 10:58 Overhead and Cash Flow Concerns 11:38 Introduction to ESOPs 17:28 Gary Gray's Decision to Implement an ESOP 18:05 What is an ESOP? 19:34 Benefits of ESOPs for Employees 20:23 ESOPs vs. Profit Sharing 21:28 ESOP Tax Benefits 25:02 Implementing an ESOP in the Company 29:40 Employee Response to ESOP Announcement 32:37 ESOPs for Companies with Subcontractors 36:39 Considerations for ESOPs 38:35 Weaknesses and Drawbacks of ESOPs 43:13 Responsibilities and Mindset Shift in ESOPs 44:18 Expenses and Incentives in ESOPs 44:31 Expense of an ESOP 45:28 Board of Directors and Independent Board Member 46:26 Communication and Culture 47:21 Downside Protection 51:03 Role of ESOP Consulting Group 55:35 Timeline and Process of Implementing an ESOP 56:48 Motivation for Founding ESOP Consulting Group 58:52 Considering ESOP for a Smaller Company CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Gary on Linkedin esopconsultinggroup.com Email: [email protected] CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Justin Ullman ABOUT In this episode of The Commercial Painting Podcast, we had the honor of hosting Justin Ullman, Founder and CEO of Rhinodox. Rhinodox is revolutionizing the contracting landscape with its pioneering cloud-based estimating and bid software.  Justin explains how Rhinodox streamlines the proposal and bidding processes, empowering painters to use data to pinpoint the optimal opportunities for securing valuable bids.   Whether you're a seasoned veteran in the industry or an eager enthusiast intrigued by the fusion of technology and commercial painting, this episode provides invaluable insights into leveraging innovation to yield tangible outcomes within the commercial painting industry. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST Rhinodox CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Chuck Franks ABOUT In this episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, we talk with Chuck Franks, the Midwest General Manager at PPG Industries, about the recent news that PPG is considering selling its U.S. and Canada paints business. Additionally, Chuck shares insights from his experiences in high school and college football, underscoring the valuable skills and principles he gained during his athletic career. Chuck explores the essential qualities of an excellent vendor and emphasizes the significance of cultivating collaborative partnerships with clients. He stresses the mutual advantages of mutual growth and highlights the vital role of communication and trust in sustaining prosperous long-term relationships. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST LinkedIn CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Jim Kaloutas ABOUT In today’s episode, we sat down with Kaloutas Painting president Jim Kaloutas about how to figure out which jobs are worth your time and effort, and which ones aren't. Jim shares some practical advice on how to decide which projects will bring in the most money and which ones might not be worth pursuing. He also talks about how to work effectively with growing companies, collaborate with other contractors, and transition to working directly with homeowners. Plus, Jim emphasizes the importance of building your personal brand to stand out in the market and earn trust from customers. Join us for a conversation packed with valuable tips to help you grow your business and succeed in the commercial painting industry. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST https://www.kaloutas.com/about CONNECT WITH US ⁠⁠Podcast website⁠⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠⁠ (CPIA) ⁠⁠A David Creation⁠⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Mike Stanley ABOUT In today’s exciting episode of the Commercial Painting Podcast, Mike Stanley, the executive director of the Commercial Painting Industry Association, shares about the upcoming 2024 CPIA Leadership Conference in Austin, TX, at Omni Barton Creek Resort from October 20 to October 23. Painters will have the opportunity to attend panel and roundtable discussions with peers, allowing them to tap into a wealth of business and technical knowledge on topics such as overcoming supply chain issues, growing your business, and the latest advancements in robotics and drone equipment. The combined knowledge, connections, and inspiration gained make this conference a must for painting business owners. You don’t want to miss it! Visit the CPIA website to register and get an early-bird discount until May 31. CONNECT WITH US ⁠Podcast website⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠ (CPIA) ⁠A David Creation⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Craig Bundren ABOUT In today’s episode we invite you to delve into the insightful world of Craig Bundren, the President of Bundren Painting, as he unravels the transformative advantages of incorporating outsourced virtual estimators into your commercial painting business strategy. Tune in as Craig sheds light on the revolutionary impact of engaging skilled professionals from the Philippines through the cutting-edge platform, MultiplyMii. Craig also shares his experiences in the realm of commercial painting, providing a unique perspective on overcoming challenges and embracing experimentation. Discover how Bundren Painting has navigated the dynamic realm of commercial painting, with Craig offering valuable insights into maintaining enthusiasm while exploring innovative avenues. Furthermore, Craig delves into the importance of community and collaboration within the industry, emphasizing the significance of being a part of groups like the Commercial Painting Industry Association (CPIA). CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST https://www.bundren.com/ CONNECT WITH US ⁠Podcast website⁠ EPISODE SPONSORS ⁠The Commercial Painting Industry Associate⁠ (CPIA) ⁠A David Creation⁠ (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Jason Moorhouse ABOUT In today’s episode, we sit down with Jason Moorhouse, the President of Moorhouse Coating, to uncover the key elements of hiring and managing a successful sales team. Jason emphasizes the pivotal role of providing clear pricing structures to salespeople, enabling them to harness their skills more effectively. By arming the team with comprehensive pricing information, businesses can empower their sales force to tailor their approach to individual clients, ensuring a personalized and impactful sales experience. Jason also delves into the importance of long-term preparation. He stresses the need for businesses to stay ahead in the dynamic market by staying on top of marketing trends and planning ahead.  This episode explores the strategies employed by Moorhouse Coating to anticipate future challenges and opportunities, providing valuable insights for business owners and sales professionals alike. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST https://parkcity.moorhousecoating.com/ CONNECT WITH US Podcast website EPISODE SPONSORS The Commercial Painting Industry Associate (CPIA) A David Creation (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUEST Rick Williams ABOUT In today’s episode, Williams Professional Painting president Rick Williams shares how he got started in painting churches, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges and inspirations that shape this specialized field. From the importance of team expertise to the value of good referrals, Rick provides insights into the unique aspects of transforming sacred spaces with a painter's touch. And that's not all – Rick breaks down how having someone on staff laser-focused on business development can swing open doors to new opportunities, build killer partnerships, and pump up the overall growth and success of a painting business. Buckle up for an eye-opening chat with Rick Williams as we unwrap the business strategies that go into this niche and explore the value of identifying and capitalizing on niches in the commercial painting game. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST https://www.williamsprofessionalpainting.com/ CONNECT WITH US Podcast website EPISODE SPONSORS The Commercial Painting Industry Associate (CPIA) A David Creation (ADC) If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

FEATURED GUESTS Ian Siegner David Wiersum ABOUT In today’s episode Siegner and Company Commercial Painting's President, Ian Siegner, and Superintendent, David Wiersum, share their profound insights on cultivating enduring and meaningful connections with the local community.Ian also unpack his experience building relationships in the painting industry, which resulted in a long term relationship with the Painter Unions in the Portland area and Acoustic Panels designer FabriTRAK®.  Tune in now to gain exclusive access to the wisdom that has shaped Siegner and Company Commercial Painting's success in building not just a thriving business, but a community that thrives on collaboration and shared prosperity. CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST https://www.siegnerandcompany.com/ CONNECT WITH US ⁠thecpia.com⁠ ⁠thecommercialpaintingpodcast⁠ If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

Featured Guests/IntervieweesMatt CalleroAboutIn today’s episode, Paint Blue founder Matt Callero dive into the game-changing strategies that have proven effective in harnessing the power of the professional networking platform LinkedIn. Matt shares insights and experiences that can serve as a blueprint to leverage LinkedIn for business growth including the importance of strategic engagement, how to build meaningful connections, and Profile optimization. Matt also shed light on the mindset shift users experience when moving from casual social media platforms like Instagram to LinkedIn.How to Connect with our Guesthttps://paintblue.com/about-us/ Connect with Usthecpia.comthecommercialpaintingpodcast If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

Featured Guests/IntervieweesLiz Perez-LavinAbout In today’s episode Elizabeth (Liz) Perez-Lavin, the president and co-owner of Service Contracting Solutions (SCS), unravels the importance of crafting a business structure and fostering a company culture that nurtures employee growth, fosters a sense of belonging, and instills professional pride.  Liz shares insights into the strategic shift in SCS's core values towards a more growth-oriented approach, leading the team to attain a commendable yearly revenue exceeding $30 million. Her experience underscores the crucial role of adaptability in keeping pace with the dynamic changes in the commercial paint industry. How to Connect with our Guesthttps://www.servicecontracting.com Connect with Us thecpia.com If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

AboutIn today’s episode, the crew at Higgins Coatings takes us on a journey into the heart of Higgins' customer-centric philosophy that defined the Aussie company's 73-year history. They share how the entire Higgins crew is passionately dedicated to forging enduring relationships with clients, ensuring that both painters and customers reap the benefits. But that's not all – The Higgins crew shared some invaluable lessons learned during their enlightening 22-day world tour, including innovative insights into the hiring and training processes and the establishment of a groundbreaking academy aimed at empowering the next generation of Aussie painters. Lastly, the crew share their insight into sharing and actively collaborate with competitors. Our heartfelt thanks to the fantastic team at Higgins Coatings and a special shoutout to the four members who joined us today: Cameron Steindl, General Manager Harry Higgins, National Project Manager Dave Stephens, Melbourne Repaint Manager Glenn Minett, Human Resources Expert  How to Connect with our Guesthttps://www.higgins.com.au Connect with [email protected] If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

Featured Guest Steve Hester In this episode, CPIA Cofounder Steve Hester shares how he grew Hester Painting and Decorating from a $3 million residential company to a $15 million commercial behemoth. Steve explains how to deal with growth pains transitioning from a residential to a commercial painter, including cash flow and marketing problems. Steve also delves into the importance of being open to new ideas, even if they come from the most unlikely places. Connect with our guest hesterdecorating.com ⁠[email protected]⁠ Connect with us:thecpia.com⁠ [email protected]⁠ If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

Featured GuestGretchen Arbini, Founder of Crown Painting Inc.AboutIn this episode, we talk to Gretchen Arbini about her company serving Reno and California markets. Gretchen discusses her unique experience as a woman leading in the commercial painting industry. How to Connect with our Guestcrownpaintinginc.com/[email protected] Connect with Usthecpia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [email protected]⁠ If you enjoyed this episode, remember to like, share, and subscribe!

Featured Guests/Interviewees Matt and Sabrina Orme About In this episode, we talk about the importance of managing stress and consider your health as your grow your business. This is an important conversation for every entrepreneur and business leader. How to Connect with our Guests https://prcommercialpainting.com/ ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠ Connect with Us ⁠thecpia.com/podcast⁠ ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠ Remember to subscribe and leave a review!

HostsAaron Moore and David Chism About David and Aaron debrief the recent 2023 CPIA Leadership Conference, sharing their key takeaways from the time at Wrigley Field. They share insights gleaned from discussions, workshops, and presentations at the conference, offering a glimpse into the current state of the commercial painting industry and the trends shaping its future. Contact us ⁠thecpia.com/podcast⁠ ⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠ Remember to subscribe and leave a review!

About In the first episode of "The Commercial Painting Podcast," hosts Aaron Moore and David Chism discuss their vision for this new show. This episode sets the tone for an engaging series that promises to blend professional wisdom with fun conversations, making it a must-listen for both seasoned business owners and those looking to strengthen their newer businesses. Join Aaron and David as they discuss the state of the commercial painting industry and where they see things headed on this first episode of "The Commercial Painting Podcast." Contact us thecpia.com/podcast ⁠[email protected]⁠ Remember to subscribe and leave a review!