The Grief and Belief Podcast

David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome Jordan Robertson for the second installment of her clinical series. Jordan, a PhD candidate, provides a roadmap for those considering professional help during their grief journey. Drawing from her own experience following her husband’s terminal diagnosis, she demystifies what to expect during a first session, including the initial intake process and goal-setting.The discussion highlights key differences between professional counseling and talking to friends, emphasizing the value of a neutral, non-reciprocal space for emotional release. Jordan and the hosts also explore how clinical therapy complements ecclesiastical support. While church leaders focus on the spiritual dimension and community resources, therapists address skewed thinking patterns and provide specific tools to reduce distress and improve daily functioning.Finally, the episode offers practical advice on finding and paying for a therapist. Jordan suggests resources like PsychologyToday.com, while explaining various certifications and payment options such as insurance or sliding scales. The hosts conclude that while healing is possible alone, professional counseling can expedite the process, helping individuals move toward "graduation" and a return to living life fully.Disclaimer:This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care. Although a therapist in training is featured, no therapy or counseling services are being provided, and no therapist-client relationship is formed. If you need support, please contact a qualified mental health professional or, in a crisis, reach out to local emergency services or the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.

David and Kori interview Felipe Pasini, who shares the story of losing his father, Marcelo, to cancer when Felipe was 21. Having drifted from his faith at the time, the sudden loss of both his grandfather and father forced Felipe into a period of deep sorrow and spiritual questioning.Felipe discusses his initial struggle with the lack of a physical miracle and his frustration with God. However, through his mother’s inspired challenge to serve others, he discovered that service is a catalyst for healing. By "feeding the sheep" of his own siblings and finding personal "places of refuge," he rebuilt his relationship with the Savior and decided to serve a mission.Finally, Felipe highlights the "small miracles" that confirmed God’s awareness, such as serving under a mission president who was his father’s former companion. As the author of About Us: From Grief to Grace, Felipe testifies that through Jesus Christ, sorrow is turned into joy and we are transformed into new creatures.Resources: ⁠About Us: From Grief to Grace (BYU Bookstore and Amazon)Ephraim Hanks the Musical (YouTube and Spotify)Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Elizabeth Smith shares the story of her husband, Jonny, a Southern California surfer and patent attorney who was serving as a Bishop when he passed away suddenly at age 39. Jonny’s death from cardiac arrest left Elizabeth and their three young children to navigate an unexpected and devastating journey through loss. Throughout the interview, Elizabeth emphasizes her core belief that “grief needs to be witnessed,” describing the profound healing that comes when others sit with us in our sorrow.Elizabeth recounts the spiritual experience of hearing the prompting, “Do you have the faith for him not to be healed?” while paramedics worked to save her husband. This moment led to a transformative realization that while she did not receive the physical miracle she sought, Jesus Christ is the miracle. This perspective allows her to hold the duality of deep mortal agony alongside spiritual peace, trusting in the Savior’s infinite capacity to carry her.Finally, Elizabeth discusses the challenge of parenting through bereavement and the importance of allowing the Savior to mend a shattered life. She shares a moving visualization of placing "broken pieces" into a container for Christ to hold, trusting His power to heal her children. Her testimony highlights how temple covenants and the Savior's empathy provide an enabling power that sustains her through the long "winter" of grief.Resources: https://rememberingjonathansmith.com/Accepting the Lord's Will and Timing by Elder BednarFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode, David and Kori welcome Amy Ostler, a therapist who shares the story of her husband Trent’s battle with glioblastoma. Amy describes Trent as a man of intellect and adventure who faced a terminal diagnosis while they were raising two young children. After a series of medical complications and a prolonged coma, Trent passed away, leaving Amy to navigate the profound "winter" of her life.Amy candidly discusses the "agony and deep sorrow" that followed, which challenged her previous views of the gospel as transactional. Through therapy, she learned to visualize Christ in her moments of pain, often seeing Him carrying her when she felt powerless. She emphasizes that spiritual peace can coexist with intense mortal suffering, as the Savior meets us exactly where we are.Concluding with a powerful testimony, Amy shares that she now knows Christ walks with us daily. He provides an infinite, healing love that listens without judgment or agenda, especially when others tire of the heaviness of grief. Her experience illustrates how a relationship with Christ becomes a lifting, enabling force through mortality's hardest trials.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

David and Kori welcome BYU PhD candidate Jordan Robertson to launch a monthly series bridging clinical research with lived experience. Jordan, a counselor with over 1,500 clinical hours, introduces eight grief frameworks to help listeners navigate their unique journeys. She discusses theories like the Tasks of Mourning and the Dual Process Model, which focus on moving between processing loss and rebuilding life. The conversation highlights how clinical tools complement faith in Jesus Christ, helping believers manage the painful "in-between" stage of bereavement. Jordan also suggests volunteering as a way to "dip your toe" into helping others. Finally, she explores meaning reconstruction, emphasizing that resilience is the most common response to loss. Jordan concludes by showing how grief can uniquely connect us to Christ.Disclaimer:This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care. Although a therapist in training is featured, no therapy or counseling services are being provided, and no therapist-client relationship is formed. If you need support, please contact a qualified mental health professional or, in a crisis, reach out to local emergency services or the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Join David Mickelson and Kori Andrews for the Season 2 premiere of the Grief and Belief podcast. Celebrating one year and over 50 interviews, the hosts reflect on the blessing of providing a hopeful resource for those navigating loss.This season introduces an exciting new monthly segment featuring Jordan Robertson, a PhD candidate, counselor, and author from episode 42. On the first Tuesday of every month, she will provide a clinical and scholarly perspective on grief, covering research-based frameworks and the benefits of counseling.In honor of Easter, this episode features a special message centered on the road to Emmaus in Luke 24. David and Kori explore how sharing stories of heartbreak can invite the Savior to "draw near," transforming grief into a journey of discovery and healing. To conclude, the hosts invite the audience to participate in a new community discussion by answering the question: "What do you now know about Jesus Christ?". Join the conversation via email or social media as the podcast continues its mission to find hope in the wake of loss.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome Shad Anderson to the season one finale. Shad shares the story of his mother, Glenda, on the 20th anniversary of her passing. He describes her as a "rock solid" foundation who raised six boys with a "fiery" personality and unwavering faith. Glenda’s influence was defined by her directness and her constant efforts to keep her sons on the "bus" toward their spiritual goals.The family faced a "bombshell" when Glenda was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer. Despite a six-month prognosis, she passed away just three weeks later. Shad recounts the sacred experience of teaching seminary immediately after receiving the news and the powerful realization at the funeral home that his mother’s body was merely a mortal shell, as her spirit lived on.Shad reflects on the "veil-thin" experiences of the first year, including feeling his mother’s presence and blessing during his father’s remarriage. He testifies that through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can find peace in the reality of the resurrection. His story serves as a witness that God’s plan is "fabulous" and that our loved ones remain intimately involved in our lives.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Erica Kiefer joins hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews to share the story of her son, Ty, who passed away from SIDS at four months old. Erica, a former rugby player and recreation therapist, recounts her deep connection to the biblical story of Hannah. She reflects on the joy of Ty’s arrival and the devastating morning she discovered him in his crib.In the hospital, Erica and her husband found peace through the Samoan word "taumafai," meaning to persevere through all things with Christ. Erica navigated her grief through journaling, eventually writing the book Borrowed Angel to help others see the spiritual side of loss. She emphasizes that grief can be a conversion process, allowing individuals to feel a "spiritual buoyancy" even in the depths of sorrow.Erica testifies that God fulfills His promises, mirroring Hannah’s story through her own growing family. Her youngest daughter, Eliana, whose name means "God has answered," serves as a reminder of God's timing. Using a metaphor of waves in Thailand, Erica concludes that while Christ doesn't always stop the storm, He is in the water with us.Resources: Borrowed Angel by Erica Kiefer"Pe a faigata le ala Taumafai" sung by Moni Aumua (Spotify Artist) and other missionariesFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Ellie Robertson joins hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews to share the story of losing her father, Jake, to brain cancer when she was just eight years old. She remembers her dad as a goofy, sports-loving man who played Van Halen on the piano and took her on a memorable father-daughter trip to a BYU football game.Ellie discusses the difficulty of navigating major life milestones, like turning 18 and graduating, without her father there. She recalls the "overwhelming relief" the Plan of Salvation brought her as a young girl, providing certainty amidst the unknowns of grief. Playing competitive soccer and reflecting on her baptism—performed by her father shortly before his death—remain vital sources of peace and strength.Ultimately, Ellie testifies that Jesus Christ is the reason the "garage door of life" will open again. She believes Christ has felt her specific pain and that, through Him, her family will be reunited eternally. Her message offers hope that there is "always good after the bad" and that God provides no trial we cannot overcome.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews sit down with Richard Davis, father of Kiplyn Davis, to discuss a tragic story that has touched the Spanish Fork community for over 30 years. Richard shares the history of the Christmas Box Angel monument, a sacred tradition he helps lead to honor "lost little ones" and provide a space for grieving families to find warmth and spirit.The interview delves into the harrowing details of Kiplyn’s disappearance and the decades-long search for closure. Despite the agony of not finding her remains, Richard shares his "sweet assurance" through the gospel that Kiplyn is currently serving as a teacher in the spirit world, fulfilling her earthly goals of being an angel for others.Richard reflects on his profound spiritual transformation from bitterness and inactivity to serving as a bishop. He offers a poignant witness of the Savior’s atonement, testifying that Jesus Christ provides the strength to carry on with joy and the promise that all families can be made whole again.Resources: Book - ⁠When an Angel Leaves Your LifeFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode, hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome 17-year-old Scout Malufau, a "ball of energy" and "sunshine," to share her unique perspective on loss and faith. Following the interview with her mother, Cassidy, Scout discusses the impact of losing her older sister, Cael, and her father, Ammon, when she was only ten. She reflects on the "divine intervention" of her sister, whose short life led specialists to identify a condition that saved Scout’s own life.Scout recounts the "doozy" of a night in 2018 when her father passed away during the Christmas season. She describes navigating intense feelings of anger and resentment toward God before choosing to "flip the switch" and find the path again. A central theme of her journey is the belief that discomfort is not punishment but a divine opportunity for growth and an increased capacity for joy.Now a high school senior preparing for a mission, Scout shares her philosophy that "life becomes magical" when everything is appreciated and nothing is expected. She emphasizes the importance of not grieving alone and allowing the Savior to multiply our small efforts. Ultimately, Scout testifies that Jesus Christ provides "covenant confidence" and the promise of a "happily ever after" for those who try.Resources: Hallmarks of Happiness by Elder SabinFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome Cassidy Nelson to share her powerful journey of loss and hope. Cassidy recounts the heartbreaking passing of her firstborn daughter, Cael, who lived for only six days, and the sudden death of her husband, Ammon, in 2018.Cassidy reflects on navigating life as a young widow while six months pregnant with her fifth child. She describes the raw reality of feeling inadequate for her children's needs during such intense sorrow. Through "sacred moments" in her grief, she discovered that when she was not enough, the Savior was there to fill the gaps and provide strength.The interview explores how Jesus Christ provides "tailormade" support, illustrated by a touching experience involving a primary song that calmed her grieving daughter. Cassidy’s testimony serves as a powerful reminder that the Savior does not "casually step in" but "dives right in" to sustain us through our most difficult trials.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

David and Kori interview Hayden Limb, a close friend of David’s daughter, Ava, who passed away from leukemia during high school,. Hayden reflects on their friendship formed through cross country and Ava’s legacy of purposeful service. He recounts the sudden shock of her diagnosis and the spiritual impression to trust God despite the pain.Hayden discusses the "dichotomy of healing the body and the soul," explaining that while physical recovery is an inward effort, healing the soul requires turning outward. He describes how running served as a therapeutic outlet and how serving a mission in Washington helped him find "beauty for ashes". By serving others, he discovered that Jesus Christ is the master healer who provides peace when we feel most out of control.The episode also honors Elder Holland, whose teachings on discipleship continue to provide hope. Hayden testifies that Christ is his best friend and that His light makes the hope of a celestial reunion real. He encourages those struggling with grief to acknowledge their pain while choosing to act as agents in their own healing.Resources: Video - LiftTranscript of Hayden's Talk at Ava's Funeral - LinkFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast. Hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews interview Scot Irwin, a former seminary and institute teacher who shares the powerful story of losing his younger brother, Chad, when Chad was 18 and Scot was 25 and married with two children. Chad, described as a quiet, conservative, and good-looking blonde athlete, developed a side ache that quickly led to the discovery of a malignant, grapefruit-sized tumor. The cancer progressed rapidly, and Chad passed away that night after Scot prayed that he would no longer suffer.Scot recounts the immense guilt he felt because he was uncomfortable giving Chad a priesthood blessing, despite being the only Melchizedek Priesthood holder in the family, and because he prayed for Chad's death to end the suffering. Scot struggled with the guilt of prioritizing his full-time teaching job, school, and young family over being there for his brother. His guilt began to ease following a vivid dream in which Chad appeared to him, conveying the message: "I'm in a great place. I'm at peace. This is God's will and it's my will too. I'm happy and you shouldn't feel guilty. You're a great brother and I love you".Through this experience, Scot gained a profound personal appreciation for the role of the Holy Ghost as a bringer of peace, healing, and sanctification. Scot testifies that Jesus Christ is the Savior who connects with him in his grief, emphasizing that Christ suffered so that He could "sucker us" (Alma 7). Scot concludes that healing from grief comes when he quits focusing on himself and turns his heart and mind outward to serve others.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Jensen Parrish Hall shares the tragic story of losing her parents and two younger brothers to carbon monoxide poisoning while she and her brother, Ian, were serving missions. She recounts the surreal moment her mission president delivered the news and the immediate, distinct spiritual impression she received to choose trust over bitterness.Jensen discusses her healing process through her blog, "A New Normal," and the visual sign language for "grief" and "belief". She explains how 2 Nephi 2:2 taught her that God can "consecrate" or dedicate her deepest afflictions for a sacred purpose, transforming pain into spiritual gain.Finally, Jensen offers a powerful metaphor of the gospel as an "umbrella" that doesn't stop the rain of life’s trials but protects her testimony. Her message emphasizes that by choosing Christ, individuals can find the strength to navigate grief with the hope of eternal family reunions.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In part two of their interview, Troy and Deedra Russell discuss the far-reaching impact of their story. Troy shares how his home teacher’s persistent invitation to play basketball helped him navigate the "unrelenting" grief of losing their son, Austen. This experience of dedicated ministering was later shared by Elder Holland in General Conference, leading to a video viewed by millions.Deedra recounts her journey through physical suffering following a catastrophic head-on collision. She details her 137-day hospital stay—matching Joseph Smith’s time in Liberty Jail—and complications from a kidney transplant that left her in "darkest despair". Dedra views her previous trials, including clinical depression and the loss of her mother, as "stepping stones" that prepared her to endure these later challenges.Despite ongoing medical struggles, the Russells testify that Jesus Christ understands their specific mental and physical agony because of His suffering in Gethsemane. They describe their most difficult trials as "sacred holy ground" where they felt God’s presence most profoundly. Their message emphasizes that by keeping covenants, individuals can view their refining experiences with an eternal perspective.Resources: One-on-One - YouTube VideoA Saint Through the Atonement of Christ the Lord - Elder Holland talking about Deedra's car accidentRemember Lot's Wife - Elder Holland BYU SpeechLessons from Liberty Jail - Elder Holland BYU SpeechHeavenly Answers for Earthly Questions - Book about a Near-Death ExperienceFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast, where hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews interview Troy and Deedra Russell. The Russells share the tragic story of losing their son, Austen, when he was just nine years old after he was accidentally run over by Troy's truck in May 2015. Austen, the third of five children, was a beloved, fun-loving "phenom" athlete, especially talented in basketball, who had a special bond with his father over sports and with his mother when he was younger due to a severe speech impediment.The Russell's recount the immediate, unrelenting grief that felt like a "house was just absolutely crushing me". Troy received a powerful revelation from Heavenly Father, affirming that he could keep the nine years he had with Austen, even if it meant enduring the pain. Deedra and Troy received numerous tender mercies, including Austen writing the scripture "The worth of souls is great in the sight of God" just days before he passed away, and their youngest daughter seeing "big Austen" (an adult-sized spirit) who performed a calming sign above their bed.Their sorrow led to meaningful community outreach. Since Austen was known for his dedication to sports and the number three (which he adopted after BYU stars), the community created the logo AR3. They honored Austen by hosting a successful annual community event—an "Austen Russell birthday party"—for ten years, which features a court named Austen Russell Court. The Russells continue to focus on using this experience to strengthen their covenants and ensure they will be an eternal family with Austen again.Resources: One-on-One - YouTube VideoFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast. David and Kori interview Sandy Smith, a friend and experienced therapist. Sandy shares the story of her daughter, Stephanie, who passed away 35 years ago in 1990 at only 14 months old. Stephanie, the youngest of nine, was adored by her older siblings. Sandy recounts the traumatic moment Stephanie drowned in the family pool in Argentina, followed by the challenges of arranging her burial in Arizona.Sandy focuses on the concept of the refiner's fire (Malachi 3:3). She explains that the Savior holds us in the "hottest part of the fire" but will not let us be destroyed. The refining process is complete when He sees His own countenance reflected in us. This refining experience led Sandy to become a mental health therapist, working in diverse settings, including running emotional groups for gang members in the prison system.Sandy found that loss allows for personal growth, finding joy in creation through activities like music and pottery. She affirms there is life after loss and encourages others to choose happiness and growth. She testifies that Jesus Christ is her brother who loves her, offering peace and healing through the Atonement.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast. Hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews interview Jenni Theobald, who shares the traumatic story of losing her son, Adam, when she was approximately 25 weeks along in the year 2000. Jenni recounts being on a trip to Las Vegas when she woke up in labor. In the hospital, an ultrasound tech brutally informed her: "Your baby's dead" because there were "no fetal heart tones". Following the loss, Jenni and her husband struggled to process the guilt and grief in a community where pregnancy loss is often "forbidden to talk about".Jenni explains her difficulty with the term "miscarriage," which felt like an accusation that she had made a "mistake" or done something wrong. She recalls a family member dismissing her pain, saying, "It's just a miscarriage. Why are you upset? It wasn't a real baby". The pregnancy-loss experience caused a huge paradigm shift, leading her to leave her teaching career and focus intently on motherhood, recognizing the power and importance of family.Ultimately, Jenni found the courage to move forward by leaning into the Savior. She found comfort in the song "I walked today where Jesus walked," realizing she needed to pick up her heavy burdens and keep moving forward, allowing her sorrow to deepen her capacity for joy. She testifies that the Atonement makes broken things whole and that the Lord "backfills where we lack with the spirit and buoy us up".Resources: I Walked Today Where Jesus WalkedFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast. Hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews interview Jordan Robertson, who shares the powerful story of losing her husband, Jake Robertson, to Glioblastoma Multiforme almost ten years ago. Jake was an attorney, a devoted BYU Cougar fan, and described as the perfect girl dad to their four young children. Jordan recounts the shocking and sudden terminal diagnosis, which occurred in January 2014, shortly after the birth of their son.Despite the initial life expectancy of 14 months, Jake’s life was mercifully extended for over two years after they found a neurosurgeon willing to operate and participate in a clinical trial. Jordan shares that Jake chose to live a normal life with his family while making special memories. Following Jake’s death and a subsequent move, Jordan experienced a period of profound bereavement, describing the emotional state as sitting in the destruction after a "nuclear bomb" had gone off.Jordan explains how she found healing through intellectual study of grief, through movement (like taking up skiing), and by serving others through hospice work, which led her to pursue a PhD in counseling psychology. Ultimately, she testifies that Jesus Christ is the ultimate healer who companioned her through the pain, emphasizing the message of Isaiah 53. She finds hope in His suffering, concluding with the powerful lyrics: "Hope did not die here but here was given. Here is hope".Resources: Because of Jesus by Jordan RobertsonFollow along on social media:⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast, featuring the talented artist and social media personality, Jenedy Paige, who is also known for her appearance on American Ninja Warrior. Jenedy joins David Mickelson and Kori Andrews to share the profound story of losing her three-year-old son, Victory Morgan. She beautifully describes her early life as a "Disney princess" living in a metaphorical "Garden of Eden," before tragedy moved her to a place of immense pain and disappointment.Jenedy recounts the tragic seven-week struggle after Victory Morgan fell into their family pool in Tucson. Despite having a deep, evidence-based relationship with God, built upon years of daily journaling and prayer, she was left "severely disappointed" when her desperate prayers for a miracle were not answered as she wished. She learned that God never intends for us to rewind the clock, but rather for us to go forward.Through this devastating loss, Jenedy discovered that sorrow had "carved her out," creating a cavity—which she called her "Grand Canyon"—that now had a capacity for joy. She shares how painting became a survival tool, pouring out her grief onto the canvas. Jenedy testifies that Jesus Christ is the Master Healer who can bring the Grand Canyon together, healing the soul and transforming the grieving into a "2.0 version" of themselves.Resources: Coming Full Circle Book by Jenedy Paige (highly recommend!)The Great Divorce by C. S. LewisHow Can I Find God's Love in My Grief? YouTube VideoFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast. Hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome Jessica Westover, a practicing marriage and family therapist, who shares how her education combines with her personal loss experiences to help bring hope to others. Jessica recounts her first traumatic grief experience: a missed miscarriage during her initial pregnancy. This profound loss was compounded when her grandpa passed away the very next day, creating a difficult "surrounding of grief" during her master's program.Jessica dives deep into the concept of ambiguous loss, defined as a loss that lacks clarity or finality. She explains how a miscarriage fits this definition (physical absence with psychological presence) and the unique challenges, such as facing a "roller coaster of hope," lacking normative community support, and struggling with guilt or embarrassment. Jessica emphasizes that there is not a "right way to live life to not feel pain," and that shame often adds "optional pain" to difficult situations.After struggling with depression and anger, Jessica found a path to healing by writing a heartfelt letter to her little one. She shares the symbolic act of placing the letter in a bottle and releasing it into the river, representing a choice to trust the Savior. This spiritual experience helped her develop a three-step healing process: Writing (for catharsis and validation), Feeling/Doing (a unique action guided by the spirit), and Remembering. She testifies that Jesus Christ is the Master Healer who is intimately aware of our healing and that we never walk alone.Resources: Books by Pauline Boss, PhDHow to add a miscarried child or stillborn in FamilySearchFollow us on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this powerful episode, we introduce Kyle Beagley, who shares the story of losing his daughter, Kirsten Beagley, during her senior year of high school in 2024. Kyle lovingly recalls Kirsten’s light and big blue eyes, noting that she was dedicated to dance and served as the drill team captain. A determined goal setter, Kirsten achieved her major goal of winning a drill-down competition about a month before her tragic passing.Kyle recounts the sudden loss following a tragic tubing accident at a winter formal activity, where Kirsten hit her head on the road. In the immediate aftermath, marked by shock and numbness, the family was sustained by an overwhelming outpouring of love and service from the community, especially through comforting hugs. After news outlets covered the incident, President Jeffrey R. Holland reached out to the Beagley family by phone and later attended Kirsten’s funeral.Kyle shares the profound ministering received from President Holland, who emphasized that "faith always points forward" and that the family should look forward to reunion rather than dwelling on the past. President Holland also taught that "tears are the price we pay for love" and that God accepts the sacrifice of a "broken heart". Despite the immense grief, Kyle testifies that Jesus Christ is the Master Healer who "is fixing it, has fixed it, will fix it". By looking unto Christ, hope and healing are found, making what is broken whole again for eternity.Resource: Church News ArticleFollow us on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

This episode of the Grief and Belief podcast features hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews interviewing their friend, Ben Cummings, a university professor. Ben shares the profoundly difficult yet ultimately hopeful story of his daughter, Eleanor, who passed away from a rare form of leukemia (Acute Promyelocytic Leukemia, or APML) at the age of about three and a half. Eleanor is lovingly remembered as a "firecracker" and a bundle of energy who loved "all things pink and purple," possessing a magical belief that she could fly with her fairy wings.The central theme Ben explores is the hopeful principle that God is in the trenches with us during times of profound grief and challenge. Ben recounts the devastating onset of her illness, beginning with stroke-like symptoms that quickly worsened, leading to catastrophic strokes and brain swelling. The most agonizing decision came when he and his wife wrestled with when to remove Eleanor's life-sustaining support. They sought divine guidance, learning to trust not only God's will but also that "thy timing be done," eventually receiving an "overwhelming sense of peace".Ben explains that this trial taught him a deeper level of love and compassion. He highlights "tender mercies" they received, including a nurse named "Hope" and unexpected support from neighbors and co-workers of diverse faith traditions. Ben concludes by offering a powerful testimony of the resurrection. He notes that his two youngest sons, Peter and John, were both born on Easter, serving as personal "witnesses of the resurrection," reinforcing his conviction that hope in Christ "saves".Follow us on social media:⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast, hosted by David Mickelson and Kori Andrews, where we share stories of hope. In this episode, we welcome April Engstrom, who shares her experience regarding the passing of her mother, Cheryl Anne McLane, who died in 2020 due to her seventh bout of cancer. April was connected to the show by a friend from an earlier interview, Mary Colton.April introduces Cheryl as an optimistic, determined, six-generation Texan. Cheryl was an avid sportswoman and dedicated equestrian. She was so passionate about the sport of cowboy mounted shooting—a very "wild west" and "Texas" pursuit—that she started the first women’s division (CMSA). Over 23 years, Cheryl battled seven different cancers, miraculously beating six of them. April describes her mother’s faith, developed after converting to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as "extremely simple and beautiful," serving as her "anchor" and providing a perspective of eternity. Cheryl emphasized that her most important roles were being a mother and wife, and loving her Savior.April discusses the "heavensent gift" of being able to work from home during the COVID-19 pandemic, which allowed her to spend the last five months of her mother’s life at her side. While grieving the loss of her "Wonder Woman" mother—the "glue" of the family—April shares how her mother’s simple faith ultimately strengthened her own belief in eternal families. April finds profound comfort and hope in a journal her mother kept, entitled "52 Lists for Happiness", which details Cheryl's reliance on her faith even during her terminal diagnosis, making it a "priceless gift" that continues to support April’s journey through grief.Resources: 52 Lists for HappinessFollow us on social media:⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to the Grief and Belief podcast, hosted by David Mickelson and Kori Andrews, featuring Tiffany Oldham. Tiffany shares her powerful story of faith and the reality of angels. Tiffany and her husband, Jed, are married 18 years and live in a farming community outside Spanish Fork, Utah, raising their five children. They discuss their oldest son, George, a beloved "leader of the pack". George was an energetic, funny, and curious boy, earning the nickname "Curious George" and enjoying numerous activities like karate and football. George, who loved animals, passed away in a devastating accident on March 6, 2021, at age 12, while riding his new bike near their home.Tiffany recounts the horrifying moment of realizing George would not survive, despite Jed’s attempts at life-saving measures. Feeling utterly hopeless, Tiffany knelt on the road, praying aloud and repeatedly begging Heavenly Father to send His angels to be with George, her husband, and their children. A major tender mercy arrived as she recalled that just two nights earlier, the family had unexpectedly watched a video titled "One-on-One" about a father who accidentally ran over his son, allowing her to bear testimony of the plan of salvation beforehand. Tiffany now relies completely on Heaven’s help, recognizing that the task of enduring such grief is impossible to carry alone. She feels supported by "loving hands" and knows she is "not alone" in her suffering.Despite the agonizing reminders near their home, Tiffany felt an overwhelming feeling that George wanted them to stay and continue pursuing the dreams they shared. The family embraced the powerful symbolism derived from Jed’s last instruction to George—to "open the gate". This led to their motto: "living life like someone left the gate open," which Tiffany views as a message from George encouraging them to live fully and make new memories. She sees George as being on another mission and prays to be his companion, connecting with him through the Holy Ghost, as angels speak through its power. Tiffany and her family honor George through temple work, even establishing the tradition of "Christmas in heaven," where his friends and family gather to perform ordinances. She testifies that the Savior Jesus Christ loves us so much that He provides angels and constant reminders that "He's mindful of me".Resources: One-On-One YouTube VideoFollow us on social media:⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, hosts David Mickelson and Corey Andrews welcome Stu Davis to share the powerful story of losing his son, Grant, 19 years ago. Stu, an orthopedic surgeon, active outdoorsman, and a convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, provides a glimpse into his family's life and his journey through medical school and his career. He describes his son Grant as a precocious, fun-loving, and "all-American great kid" who was outgoing, humorous, and deeply dedicated to his faith and family.Stu recounts Grant's extraordinary passion and talent for road cycling, which began as a Boy Scout merit badge activity and quickly blossomed into a potential professional career. Grant was a nationally ranked cyclist who had been invited to train at the U.S. Olympic Training Center just a month before his accident. This incredible self-driven dedication was tragically cut short when, at 16 years old, Grant collided with a parked truck during a routine training ride, resulting in a broken neck and a severe lack of oxygen to his brain. Stu, drawing on his medical background, quickly understood the severity of the situation and shares the family's decision to donate Grant's organs, which helped save three other lives.Throughout the conversation, Stu reflects on the spiritual experiences that provided comfort and perspective in the aftermath of Grant's passing. He discusses the eternal promises found in Grant's patriarchal blessing, which Grant never had the chance to read himself, and how it reassured his family that this life is just a transition. Stu also explores how his medical training prepared him for the clinical reality of death but not for the profound sense of separation from his son. He shares his testimony that while he has questioned many things over the past 19 years, his knowledge that he will see Grant again because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ has been the "iron rod" he has held onto.Resources: The AlchemistFollow us on social media:⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

This episode of the Grief and Belief podcast features hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews interviewing their friend, Cindy Thredgold, who shares the story of her son, Connor. Connor, known by his family as a responsible "doer" who loved repairing cars, passed away as a missionary in the Taiwan Taipei mission in 2014. He and his companion tragically died from carbon monoxide poisoning, which Cindy described as quick and overwhelming.The discussion centers on Cindy's hopeful theme: "Today’s challenge is tomorrow’s testimony," or, as found in Connor's scriptures, "Our greatest blessings come from our greatest trials". Cindy recounts the emotional difficulty of being notified by church leaders and the subsequent three-week wait for Connor’s body to be returned home from Taiwan. Despite the overwhelming grief, Cindy felt immediately "content" that Heavenly Father knew what He was doing and never experienced the anger that often accompanies loss.Cindy highlights the "compensating blessings" that followed, noting that God provided personal comfort by arranging major family events (like the birth of her grandchild) to occur on anniversaries of Connor's death, emphasizing that Heavenly Father "knows our dates". She explains that experiencing this loss brought her to a deeper level of understanding of Christ's Atonement. In honor of Connor’s memory, Cindy also co-manages a service that provides free memorial portraits to the families of other missionaries who have passed away while serving.Resources: Virtual Cemetery for missionaries who died while servingVirtual Cemetery for missionaries who died right before or after servingFollow us on social media:⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews sit down with Addie Billman to discuss her story of profound loss, faith, and the protective power of angels. Addie shares how she met her fun and energetic husband, Wyatt, their love story, and the joy they shared with their young son, Arlo. Just two months shy of their second wedding anniversary, Wyatt was tragically killed in a car accident involving a semi-truck on black ice, leaving 21-year-old Addie a widow with a one-year-old son. Addie recounts the harrowing moments of discovering the accident and the unbelievable shock of having her greatest fear confirmed.Throughout the episode, Addie describes the overwhelming grief and the tender mercies that helped her navigate the immediate aftermath of Wyatt's passing. She shares a sacred experience where she felt Wyatt's presence through their son Arlo, just hours after his death. However, the story takes an astonishing turn when, just four months later, Addie herself is involved in a severe car accident, also with a semi-truck. While trapped and unconscious in her vehicle, she had a remarkable near-death experience where she saw Wyatt and their miscarried baby, who assured her that everything would be okay before she woke up to the chaos of the crash scene.Addie's story is a powerful testament to the reality of ministering angels and their ability to physically protect us. She explains how she chose gratitude over guilt, leaning on a quote by Francis Weller about carrying grief in one hand and gratitude in the other. She testifies that Wyatt's final message to her was a message of love for everyone from the angels on the other side. Ultimately, Addie shares how this journey deepened her relationship with Jesus Christ, who she came to know as a true friend who has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this deeply moving episode, we hear from Krista Isaacson, who bravely shares her journey as a self-described "hopeful mourner" after the passing of her cherished daughter, Elora. A mother of six and grandmother of three, Krista illuminates how her unwavering faith in Jesus Christ has been her anchor, providing solace and purpose through unimaginable grief.Krista recounts a profound personal experience of divine preparation: two weeks before Elora became ill, she received a strong prompting to study how Jesus Christ faced immense pain in Gethsemane and declared, "Not my will but thine be done". This spiritual foresight provided her with scriptures, hymns, and words of peace, confidence, and love from Heavenly Father, which became a very personal answer to her prayers when she faced the agonizing decision about Elora's life support. She vividly describes feeling like she was sinking in a "dark torrent of water" when her faith was rocked, but by reaching out with the three-word prayer, "Help me, Lord," she felt the Savior take her hand, not removing her trials but promising she would not drown.Her journey of belief led her to pen the book, "Unbearable Burden," reflecting her conviction that with Christ's grace, "every unbearable burden can become bearable". Krista testifies that Jesus Christ has "truly hath become my savior," trusting him implicitly to lead her to good, even through the hardest and most incomprehensible challenges. She deeply believes in his promise, "I will not leave you comfortless. I will come to you" (John 14:18), having experienced His constant presence and help as a true friend who always keeps His promises.Resources: Krista's websiteFind Unbearable Burden on AmazonFollow us on social media:⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to a poignant episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, featuring Mikkele Daybell, who offers her unique perspective as the older sister to Grant, whose story was previously shared by their mother, April Gallier, in episode 16. Mikkele, now 25, grew up in Springville, Utah, taking on a significant caregiving role for Grant from a young age, including managing his G-tube and medications and even babysitting by nine years old. She lovingly describes Grant as a brother who, despite communication challenges, expressed himself through actions and was a constant, supportive presence at her volleyball games.Mikkele recounts Grant's lifelong health struggles, which included frequent illnesses and infections, ultimately leading to his passing in 2017 when she was 17 years old. She vividly recalls the emotional drive to the hospital and the heartbreaking decision for her parents to sign a Do Not Resuscitate order, a moment when other people's "normal lives" seemed so distant from her family's profound grief. The family found comfort in singing Grant's favorite song, "Follow the Prophet," which fittingly opened his funeral service.After Grant's death, Mikkele initially faced a loss of purpose, feeling the void left by her extensive caregiving responsibilities. However, her experience profoundly shaped her path, inspiring her to become a special education teacher and to create watercolor portraits and Christ-centered artwork, which she now sees as part of her life's mission. Her story beautifully illustrates how navigating deep grief can lead to a renewed sense of purpose and a strengthened connection to one's beliefs.Resources: Faceless by Mikkele Follow us on social media:⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

This podcast episode features Jared, a recent high school graduate, discussing the sudden and tragic deaths of his brother and father within weeks of each other. Jared shares how he coped with immense grief by finding purpose through service and a church history trip, where he received a personal spiritual confirmation that his loved ones were still nearby. He emphasizes the profound impact of community support and the importance of choosing joy and helping others, even amidst deep sorrow, as a testament to his faith and belief in eternal families. Jared's narrative ultimately centers on his commitment to serve a mission and spread the message of hope and the love of Jesus Christ, drawing strength from his experiences and the knowledge that he will reunite with his family.Follow along on social media:Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

***This episode does contain some references to suicide without specific details of the event***This podcast episode features Jennifer Suiter, who shares her incredibly poignant story of losing both her son, Brian, and husband, Chris, within a 20-day period. The hosts guide Jennifer as she eloquently describes her loved ones, emphasizing Brian's journey from a friendless child to a compassionate young man, and Chris's role as a devoted husband and father. A central theme is the unexpected nature of their deaths: Brian's suicide is powerfully linked to a concussion he sustained three years prior, highlighting the often-unseen long-term impacts of head injuries and the importance of seeking help. Chris's death was a tragic car accident, hit by a teenage driver, adding another layer of shock and grief. Despite the immense sorrow, Jennifer repeatedly underscores her unwavering belief that "families can be together forever" and the importance of gratitude, service, and allowing others to help in navigating profound loss, illustrating how these principles have sustained her through an unimaginable ordeal.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this insightful episode, the Grief and Belief podcast features Kyle Lemmon, a long-time friend of David Mickelson. Kyle introduces himself as a father of a blended family with 6 children, ranging from ages 10 to 20 years old. The interview centers on Kyle's profound experience of losing his first wife, Andrea, in 2012 due to bacterial meningitis, a tragic event that occurred suddenly after she fell ill during a family trip. With 13 years having passed since her death, Kyle offers a unique, long-term perspective on grief and healing, distinct from many other guests who are in the earlier stages of their loss. This distance allows him to reflect on how his life has unfolded and how unexpected blessings have emerged from such a traumatic period.A central theme of Kyle's discussion is the law of compensation, an idea introduced to him shortly after Andrea's passing by an emeritus general authority. He shares that while life may not always follow a predictable "formulaic" path, God's plan is ultimately better, and blessings will compensate for losses endured. Kyle illustrates this with examples from his life, including his marriage to April, their son Seth (whose name means "compensation" in Hebrew), and how his son with autism has profoundly blessed their family. Through his grief, Kyle has come to believe that Jesus Christ will guide and shape individuals through difficult experiences, and that the Savior is the only way to find solace from loss, pain, and agony, urging listeners to be covenant-keeping and to trust in the Lord's path.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this moving episode, Shalee Taylor courageously shares her deeply personal journey of coping with seven miscarriages. She recounts the profound emotional toll each loss took, from initial excitement to anger, deep sadness, and even numbness.Shalee reveals that after her fourth miscarriage, she felt broken, with faith in God but no hope in Him. However, a transformative insight from the New Testament story of Lazarus — "Jesus waited, but He still came" — became a beacon of hope. This realization helped her understand that the Savior's timing, even when delayed, ensures His eventual presence and understanding.Through these harrowing experiences, Shalee's belief in Jesus Christ has become more real and profoundly strengthened. She shares a unique empathy for the Savior, understanding that He alone could atone for sins and be resurrected, mirroring her own isolated experience of loss. Her powerful testimony highlights that even amidst bleak circumstances, Christ offers a path to healing and enduring joy.Follow along on social media:⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this special episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, we welcome Jessica Brandley. Jessica shares her deeply personal journey of honoring grief after the unexpected passing of her husband, Jim.Jim, described as fun-loving and full of life, tragically died after an accident. Jessica recounts the harrowing hours leading up to his death, including the moment he asked, "Are you going to be okay when I'm gone?". She delves into the raw moments of discovering his passing and the subsequent process of navigating this profound loss.The episode also highlights Jessica's unique path to finding comfort and creating a blended family. She discusses her new marriage and how she embraced the name Jessica Hall Brandley to honor both families. Jessica testifies that, even in the deepest moments of despair, the Savior picked her up and carried her, especially during moments like cleaning up after her children, feeling His presence right there with her. Her story is a powerful testament to finding strength and connection to Jesus Christ amidst indescribable sorrow.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

This podcast episode of Grief and Belief features David Mickelson and guest co-host Brian Mickelson interviewing LeGrand Laing, a seminary teacher. The core of the discussion revolves around LeGrand's experience of grieving the unexpected death of his eldest son, Brayden, who passed away at 21 in a motorcycle accident. Throughout the interview, LeGrand emphasizes Brayden's exceptionally positive, unifying, and service-oriented nature, highlighting his profound impact on others. A central theme introduced by LeGrand is the principle of "running to the Savior first," an idea suggesting that focusing on Jesus Christ is the primary path to healing and ultimately reuniting with loved ones, even amidst immense sorrow. The conversation also explores how LeGrand and his family have found strength through faith, prayer, scripture study, and temple worship in the aftermath of their devastating loss.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook CommunityJoin us for a powerful and deeply moving episode with Jen Dyal, sharing her journey of grief and belief after the loss of her oldest son, Jack, at just nine years old in 2016. Jack was a beloved, kind, and unifying spirit. Jen recounts the auto-pedestrian accident that occurred on her husband Nate's birthday, the chaotic hospital experience, and the agonizing decision against a medically induced coma for her "vivacious nine-year-old boy". She describes the heartbreaking goodbyes before Jack's organ donation, accompanied by the "Come and Get Your Love" song by Redbone.A central theme is forgiveness. Jen remarkably shares immediately forgiving the driver, who hit Jack, having met her just weeks prior. She discusses the contrasting ways she and Nate processed forgiveness, and her children's developmental paths to understanding.Through profound loss, Jen believes God doesn't cause suffering but knows what's coming due to human choices. She emphasizes the power of choice in handling grief and forgiveness, and a Savior who carries her through every decision, always present without forcing her to come to Him.

Join us for a special combined episode featuring Kallie Andrews, Kori's oldest daughter, and Allie Mickelson, David's youngest daughter. You'll hear these two remarkable young women share their unique experiences with grief and belief after losing their sisters, Kamryn and Ava, when they were both nine years old.Kallie recounts the unexpected and rapid events surrounding Kamryn's birth and 38-day life, including the bravery it took to get special permission to see her sister in the hospital's NICU by overcoming her fear of shots. She reflects on the challenges of witnessing her sister's broken body connected to monitors but also the special moments shared as a family. Kallie also shares wisdom for young people grieving, emphasizing the importance of talking to friends and family and allowing others to serve.Allie shares tender memories of her sister Ava, describing her as a social, happy peacemaker who looked and acted strikingly like Allie herself. She recounts playful times, like playing "Super Nuke" with Ava during COVID quarantine, before detailing the shocking and quick progression of Ava's illness and cancer diagnosis. Allie describes the difficult hospital visits, needing to wear protective gear, and the profound, almost unbelievable moment when Ava passed away after life support was removed.This episode explores how these young ladies navigate their grief, emphasizing the importance of family, friends, and their faith in finding comfort and understanding through profound loss.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome Ryan and Valerie Davies, who share the heart-wrenching story of losing their son, Tanner. Their conversation centers on the theme of grace—an idea that resonates deeply with both hosts, who each have daughters named Grace.Valerie reflects on her upbringing in Southern California, her move to Provo for BYU, and meeting Ryan after his mission. The couple shares their love story, family background, and the difficult details surrounding Tanner’s accident. Valerie recounts the moment she called the hospital and the uncertainty she felt when they couldn't give her answers. The couple also speaks about others involved in the accident and the complexity of piecing together what happened.Throughout their grief journey, Ryan and Valerie have found grace to be a sustaining and transformative power. This episode explores how grace has helped them move forward, hold onto faith, and continue to honor Tanner’s memory with love and hope.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews talk with Caitlin Naulu about the powerful role of prayer in her journey through grief. Caitlin shares the story of her daughter Auni, who was diagnosed with Spinal Muscular Atrophy (SMA), a rare genetic condition that causes severe muscle weakness. Caitlin recalls the heartbreaking moment of diagnosis and the difficult conversations that followed with their palliative care team.Caitlin opens up about how prayer became a source of strength as she navigated Auni’s illness and eventual passing. She also shares a meaningful experience with a therapist that helped her recognize and confront self-critical thoughts brought on by grief. Kori reflects on how their conversation influenced his own prayer life, even during podcast prep.Through her story, Caitlin shows how grief and belief can exist together and how turning to God in prayer can bring peace and perspective during unimaginable loss.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this poignant episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, we feature Saedi Oldham, who courageously shares her son Ethan's story. Ethan passed away at 17 after battling rhabdomyosarcoma. Saedi's interview delves into her profound grief and steadfast belief in trusting in the Lord through unimaginable pain.You'll hear about Ethan's determined personality from a young age, and the overwhelming challenges of his illness. Saedi recounts moments she felt she was warning her husband and oldest son that Ethan was dying. She describes the difficult decision to remove his breathing support and how, through prayer, she gained strength to sing to him as his heart slowly stopped. This was one of the most beautiful experiences of her life, feeling the strong presence of the Savior who greeted Ethan through the veil.Saedi openly discusses raw grief, including bitterness, anger, and crippling anxiety, wrestling with questions like "Why did Ethan get sick? Why did Ethan die?". Despite these struggles, a powerful impression reminded her: "He is worthy of your trust". Her relationship with God has become more secure and real, finding comfort in envisioning Jesus with a smile, happy to bear our burdens alongside us.Join us to hear Saedi's authentic testimony of how, even when life feels like screaming at the world, faith in Jesus Christ brings new depth of understanding and peace.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Join us for a special episode of the Grief and Belief podcast featuring Sheryl Jepson. Sheryl shares her journey of grief after her brother Daniel passed away from a tragic hiking accident when she was a child, and how this experience led her to feel bound to Jesus Christ. Sheryl offers powerful "hard truths" learned, emphasizing that the passing of a loved one is part of God's plan and the critical importance of choosing faith during trials. She highlights her parents' anchoring example of choosing faith and offering prayers of gratitude even weeks after their son's death. Her clear advice for parents: the greatest support you can offer grieving children is to choose the Savior when it is hardest. Listen as Sheryl discusses coping, like finding an outlet in clogging (now power tap), and answers the podcast's signature question: considering her experience with grief, what does she now believe about Jesus Christ?Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

This episode of the Grief and Belief podcast features a poignant conversation with Dave Morrey, who shares the story of his brother, Matthew, and his sudden passing at 38. Dave discusses his initial "operational mode" after Matthew's death, followed by intense grief and unanswered questions. He emphasizes the importance of faith and empathy in navigating loss, contrasting ineffective attempts to "fix" grief with the power of presence. Dave reflects on his evolving understanding of empathy and the urgency of showing love and forgiveness in the present. Ultimately, he shares his deepened belief in Jesus Christ as a result of his grief, highlighting the vital role of faith in the face of loss.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Join us for a powerful and deeply moving episode with Jennie Taylor, sharing her profound journey of grief and belief after the loss of her husband, Major Brent Taylor, in 2018 while serving in the military. A mother of seven, Jennie faced immense challenges as a stay-at-home mom, feeling "half of me died that day". Jennie focused on "how" to manage, often feeling "incredibly afraid of the future" and "completely incapable".A central theme is learning "line upon line, precept upon precept" from the Lord, understanding God reveals truth at our pace due to "mortal limits". She describes realizing her limits and needing to "breathe".Through profound loss, Jennie's belief significantly deepened. She realized "just how real the Savior is, just how true the gospel is, just how close our loved ones are, just how thin the veil can be". She knows Jesus "feels our pain," "treats us with compassion," and "is enough to make up for every shortcoming". Jennie asserts she's been "very blessed by my husband's death," strengthening her testimony and capacity to become Christlike.Resources: Major Brent Taylor FoundationFollow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

This episode of the Grief and Belief podcast features a heartfelt interview with April Gallier, who shares her personal journey of grief and belief after the passing of her special son, Grant. April candidly discusses her experiences surrounding Grant's life and his passing. Listeners will gain insight into April's family, including her daughter who was deeply involved in Grant's life and now works in special education.In this moving conversation, April reflects on what she has come to believe about Jesus Christ through her experience with grief. She shares her evolving understanding of the Atonement, recognizing it as a source of strength and comfort in all aspects of life, not just for repentance. April testifies of Christ's constant presence and the power of prayer, even in difficult moments.The hosts and April discuss creative and meaningful ways to honor and remember loved ones. Additionally, information will be provided in the episode notes for listeners who wish to contribute to efforts in Grant's memory (Amazon Wish List).Join David and Kori as they learn from April's inspiring story of love, loss, and enduring faith in Jesus Christ.Follow us on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

Welcome to another episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, featuring Stephanie Driscoll. As the wife of our previous guest, Chris Driscoll, Stephanie joins us to share her powerful perspective on their journey after the loss of their daughter, Avery. Stephanie was Avery's primary caretaker through her illness, gaining a unique view of Avery's personality and her impact. She reflects on navigating the complexities of grief while caring for a loved one and how these experiences shaped her understanding of strength during trials.A central part of Stephanie's journey is the transformative role of the temple in her grief and healing process. She discusses how the temple, especially the initiatories, became her "happy place". Stephanie shares the touching story of Avery's Make-a-Wish to visit temples and the tremendous temple work done in Avery's honor by their community. She offers profound insights into how having loved ones on the other side changes the temple experience, sharing her personal belief in acting as an "escort" for those whose ordinance work is completed.Resources: On the Other Side by Brent L. TopChange Your Questions, Change Your Life by Wendy Watson NelsonThe Great Divorce by C.S. LewisFollow us on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode of the Grief and Belief podcast, hosts David Mickelson and Kori Andrews interview Chris Driscoll. Chris shares his personal journey of grief and belief after the passing of his sweet daughter Avery due to a brain tumor. He discusses the profound impact of this loss and how his belief in Jesus Christ, particularly regarding temples, has been integral to his healing process. Chris offers insights into his experiences and stories, illustrating how faith has shaped his understanding and provided solace during this difficult time. He reflects on what he now believes about Jesus Christ through the lens of his grief, emphasizing the knowledge and eternal perspective gained.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

This episode features Lizzie Andrews, daughter of Bethany Andrews, who shares her experiences with faith and hope as a young person navigating the grief of losing her father, Dan. Lizzy shares about her dad and what made him special. She recounts her experiences with the aggressive nature of his cancer diagnosis. She shares how she dealt with anger and disappointment, and a meaningful experience at FSY that changed her perspective. Lizzy also discusses the meaning behind a painting she created and the importance of leaning on Heavenly Father. She shares what she has come to know about Jesus Christ through her experiences. This episode offers a unique perspective on finding strength and understanding during grief.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community

In this episode, we are joined by Bethany Andrews, who shares her powerful journey of grief and belief after losing her husband, Dan. Bethany discusses the challenges of navigating loss, the role of her faith in Jesus Christ in finding relief, and the importance of community support. She recounts how her husband pursued her, a funny story about their courtship, and how she learned to lean on others, and how her children were supported during a difficult time. She shares the details of Dan's diagnosis and passing, and the tender mercies she experienced along the way. This episode offers insights into finding hope and healing during profound grief.Follow along on social media:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Page⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook Community