The Lawmas Podcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey pause their ongoing discussion about the FLDS documentary to talk about several headline-making stories closer to home. They explore the tension between journalism and criminal defense after a well-known retired doctor is arrested on indecent exposure charges, discussing public records, media responsibility, and the importance of reporting outcomes fairly, not just arrests. The episode also get into a bizarre self-defense case out of their hometown involving an axe, an alleged assault outside a tanning salon, and the complications of public perception when stories unfold online in real time. Along the way, Lauren and Lacey reflect on how quickly communities react to criminal accusations and the role local media plays in shaping those conversations. The conversation closes with a candid discussion about school bathroom policies after hearing stories from parents and students dealing with health issues, embarrassment, and disciplinary threats for simply needing to use the restroom. As always, the episode blends legal insight with personal stories and real-world frustrations.

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey explore the Netflix documentary on Samuel Bateman and the evolving story of the FLDS. They begin with a discussion on extradition, breaking down how the process works between states and what can happen when someone has charges in multiple jurisdictions. The conversation then shifts into a deeper look at the structure of Mormon sects, comparing mainstream LDS, polygamist groups like those seen in Sister Wives, and the more extreme control found in FLDS communities. As they unpack the rise of Samuel Bateman, they question how leadership and influence take hold within isolated groups, and why individuals remain, even when faced with harmful or restrictive environments. This episode sets the stage for a deeper look into the criminal case and legal implications to come, while also highlighting the human side of these communities and the complexity of leaving them behind. #thelawmaspodcast #legalpodcast #FLDS #MormonWives #RealityShowPodcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey cover a wide range of topics, from true crime headlines to real-life relationship dynamics. They start by breaking down the latest updates on Susan Smith’s potential parole, explaining how parole works, why hearings can happen more frequently than expected, and the emotional impact these repeated hearings have on victims’ families. The conversation then shifts into a broader discussion on gaslighting, sparked by a true crime case involving manipulation, infidelity, and ultimately tragedy. Using real examples, they unpack how gaslighting shows up in relationships, how it can escalate, and why it’s often difficult to recognize in the moment. The episode blends legal insight with personal perspective, offering listeners a candid look at both the justice system and the complexities of human behavior. #thelawmaspodcast #susansmith #parole #gaslighting #truecrime #lawpodcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey shares a deeply personal and professional story involving a now-arrested South Carolina trooper and her own past interactions with him in the courtroom. She opens up about inappropriate and offensive comments he made regarding her son with Down syndrome, and how she navigated those moments while balancing her role as both an attorney and a mother. The episode then connects those experiences to the trooper’s recent arrest on serious assault and battery charges, raising broader questions about professionalism, accountability, and how attorneys handle difficult or inappropriate conduct from opposing counsel, especially when those individuals hold power in the courtroom. Lacey offers an honest look at the emotional weight of these situations and the importance of setting boundaries, advocating for yourself and your family, and choosing how to respond when faced with misconduct.

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey are back together for a candid, unfiltered conversation that blends real-life legal questions with the realities of motherhood. The episode begins with a deep dive into a complicated family situation involving hospice care, lack of a will, and rising tensions between family members, offering a practical look at probate, intestacy laws, and what happens when planning is left undone. The conversation then shifts into a heartfelt discussion about parenting, including navigating ADHD, special needs, and the challenges of balancing structure, health, and social situations. From birthday party dilemmas to public expectations of children’s behavior, the hosts share honest reflections on parenting without perfection and the importance of giving kids space to be themselves. This episode is a true mix of law and life, highlighting why planning ahead matters and why grace (for both yourself and others) is just as important.

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren explores the buzz around the Netflix reality show Age of Attraction and the conversations it has sparked about age gaps in relationships. She breaks down the difference between what feels uncomfortable or “icky” and what actually constitutes grooming or predatory behavior, emphasizing the importance of using those terms accurately—especially when discussing fully consenting adults. Lauren also shares her thoughts on how society reacts to unconventional relationships and why context matters when labeling behavior. She then shifts into a discussion on the Apple TV+ series Severance, diving into the ethical and legal implications of separating work and personal identities. From questions about consent and autonomy to the blurred lines between legality and ethics, this episode challenges listeners to think more deeply about how emerging ideas and technologies could impact our future.

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey and Lauren kick things off with a Women’s History Month conversation, sharing the women, both real and fictional, who have influenced and inspired them, from iconic TV characters to modern-day powerhouses. They then shift gears into a breakdown of the widely discussed Afroman case, talking through all of the legal issues behind the viral headlines. The conversation explores First Amendment rights, satire, and defamation, using Afroman’s response to a police raid as a real-world example of how free speech is protected, even when it’s controversial. Along the way, they highlight the realities of civil litigation, the cost of defending your rights, and how lawsuits can sometimes backfire in the court of public opinion. The Lawmas can be reached at [email protected].

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey digs into the latest drama surrounding The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, blending pop culture commentary with real-world legal and ethical perspectives. She discusses recent headlines involving domestic assault allegations and how networks like ABC handle situations when talent becomes tied to controversy, raising the question of whether business decisions are driven more by values or ratings. Lacey also walks through the key relationship dynamics from the show, including toxic cycles, co-parenting challenges, and the realities of navigating careers and parenthood. She offers a candid take on the pressures of being a stay-at-home parent versus pursuing a career, emphasizing that there’s no one-size-fits-all approach. The episode wraps with thoughtful commentary on boundaries, postpartum challenges, and the importance of communication in relationships, both on and off reality TV!

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey discuss the recent documentary examining America’s Next Top Model and the culture surrounding reality television in the early 2000s. They reflect on how the modeling industry, and reality TV more broadly, often normalized body shaming, harsh criticism, and questionable treatment of contestants in the name of entertainment. The conversation also explores accountability and whether figures like Tyra Banks should take responsibility for the environment created on the show. From concerns about consent during filmed situations to broader issues like workplace harassment, industry pressure, and unrealistic beauty standards, the hosts analyze the documentary culturally and legally. The episode wraps up with a reflection on how far conversations about body image, consent, and women’s health have come and why those discussions still matter today.

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey discuss the tension between public opinion and the legal standard of “innocent until proven guilty.” Using current headlines, including discussion surrounding the Epstein files and high-profile allegations, they explore how quickly society forms conclusions before all the facts are known. Lacey shares her perspective as a criminal defense attorney, explaining how prosecutors, media coverage, and social media can influence narratives long before a case reaches trial. The episode also shifts into two local true-crime stories: a bizarre breach-of-peace case involving a gas station meltdown that led to deportation consequences, and the arrest of a former American Idol contestant charged with his wife’s murder. Through their usual humor and candid debate, Lauren and Lacey discuss how public perception, incomplete information, and snap judgments shape both careers and criminal cases. #thelawmaspodcast #lawmoms #truecrimepodcast 

Lauren and Lacey are finally back together for this candid, catch-up episode of The Lawmas Podcast. After a season of personal stress, including health scares, office flooding, therapy check-ins, and family illness.From mental health and family stress to leaning on friends during hard seasons, this episode is an honest reflection on navigating real life while running businesses and raising families. They also dive into trending topics in the news, including elder abuse scams targeting older adults through AI and impersonation tactics, and a cold case conviction solved decades later through genealogy DNA evidence. As always, the conversation blends law, life, and pop culture, touching on everything from true crime developments to comfort TV shows and concert bucket lists. 

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey breaks down the recent oral arguments in the appeal of the high-profile Alex Murdaugh murder conviction. She walks listeners through what an appeal actually is, what qualifies as an “error of law,” and why appeals focus on judicial mistakes rather than attorney strategy. Lacey unpacks the two major issues raised before the South Carolina Supreme Court: allegations of jury tampering involving the former clerk of court, and whether evidence of Murdaugh's financial crimes was improperly admitted as motive. She explains how concerns about fairness, prejudice versus probative value, and the right to an impartial jury could impact the outcome. With insight from a defense attorney’s perspective, she also discusses what happens next procedurally and what a potential new trial would mean.

In this deeply personal solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey steps away from legal analysis and leans fully into mom life. In recognition of Heart Month, she shares the story of her son Luke, his congenital heart defect diagnosis, heart surgery as an infant, and how early medical intervention changed everything. She reflects on the emotional weight of pregnancy diagnoses, the importance of proper screening, and the gratitude she feels for modern medicine and compassionate providers. The conversation then turns to Luke’s upcoming birthday and a realization Lacey has had about how her son experiences joy differently. From travel over birthday parties to letting go of expectations around gifts, she opens up about parenting a child with special needs, honoring his preferences, and learning to let him lead. It’s an honest, heartfelt episode about advocacy, acceptance, and redefining what celebration looks like.

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey dives into what happens when things go wrong in criminal cases and why those mistakes can change outcomes forever. Using some of the most infamous examples in legal history, she explains how errors can occur during investigations, trials, and plea negotiations, and how those mistakes impact both the prosecution and the defense. From the infamous glove moment in the O.J. Simpson trial to investigative failures in serial killer cases and immunity agreements that backfired, Lacey walks through real-world examples that show how one misstep can alter the course of justice. She also explains key legal concepts like double jeopardy, mistrials, appeals, and post-conviction relief, highlighting why some mistakes can be corrected and others can’t. The episode offers a candid, behind-the-scenes look at the high stakes of criminal law and the lasting consequences when errors happen inside the courtroom and beyond. #thelawmaspodcast #criminalcases #laurenandlacey #lawpodcast #lawmoms

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren continues the New Year focus on estate planning by examining what happens when even well-known, well-documented estates go wrong. Using high-profile examples, including James Brown, Jimmy Buffett, and the Menendez brothers, she explains how wills, trusts, executors, and beneficiaries can still end up tangled in decades of litigation, despite proper planning. Lauren walks through why James Brown’s estate remained tied up for nearly 20 years, how executor misconduct and family disputes drained estate assets, and why having a will doesn’t guarantee a smooth probate process. She also explains how trusts can still lead to lawsuits, and how laws like the slayer statute prevent inheritance even when someone would otherwise be an heir. The episode reinforces a key takeaway: estate planning is essential, but no plan is completely immune from conflict—and thoughtful planning is about minimizing risk, not eliminating it entirely.

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey talks abut the behind the scenes on what really goes into preparing a criminal case for trial. From highly technical DUI cases involving field sobriety tests, breathalyzer machines, and suppression issues, to credibility-driven “he said, she said” cases, she explains how defense attorneys analyze evidence, build strategy, and prepare witnesses long before stepping into the courtroom. Lacey also shares the emotional side of trial work, why cases involving innocent clients are often the hardest, how jury decisions can weigh heavily on attorneys, and the mental toll of preparing for high-stakes trials that may fall through at the last minute. It’s an honest look at the pressure, preparation, and responsibility that comes with criminal defense work. #thelawmaspodcast #laceyandlauren #lawmoms #legalpodcast

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren shifts gears for the new year and talks about one resolution that isn’t flashy, but is incredibly important: getting your estate plan in place. Drawing from real-life examples and her experience as an estate planning attorney in South Carolina, she explains why wills and powers of attorney matter at every age, not just later in life. Lauren walks through the basics of medical and financial powers of attorney, why spouses still need them, and how failing to plan can leave families stuck in court or facing decisions they never wanted to make. Between candid moments of working-from-home chaos and personal reflections on health, parenting, and the new year, this episode serves as a practical reminder that estate planning is less about paperwork and more about protecting the people you love. Get your estate plan in place! #thelawmaspodcast #estateplanning #powerofattorney #southcarolinaestateplanning #estateplanningattorney

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey reunite to wrap up their Homicide for the Holidays series with a powerful and thought-provoking conversation. After giving updates on binge-worthy shows, cult documentaries, and Disney memories of recent vacations, they turn to a heartbreaking New Year’s Eve murder case involving 19-year-old Valerie Zavala Wilson in California. The episode walks through the investigation, the role of forensic evidence, and how a 17-year-old suspect was ultimately convicted and sentenced as an adult. From there, the conversation broadens into a deeper legal discussion about juvenile offenders, being tried as adults, parole eligibility, and how the criminal justice system handles age, intent, and future danger to society. The episode closes with reflection on the emotional weight of covering violent crimes during the holidays and a look ahead to what’s next for the podcast, possibly shifting toward lighter topics in the new year!

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren continues the Homicide for the Holidays series with one of the most disturbing cases yet, the 1992 Christmas murders in Dayton, Ohio. What began as a group of bored teens and young adults spiraled into a random, brutal killing spree that left six innocent people dead between Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. Lauren walks through the shocking facts of the case, the senseless motives behind the murders, and the complicated legal aftermath, where minors were tried as adults, sentencing differed by age, and the death penalty was ultimately carried out for one defendant. She also reflects on the emotional toll of covering cases like this during the holidays, sharing a candid look at personal stress, family health scares, and the importance of slowing down and giving ourselves grace during an overwhelming season. #thelawmaspodcast #lawmoms #homicidefortheholidays #murderseriespodcast #laurenandlacey #legalpodcast #truecrimepodcast

In this solo episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey hosts this episode solo during one of the busiest times of the year for working moms in law. Between court schedules, school obligations, and holiday chaos, she shares an honest look at what it’s really like practicing law during the holidays, kids in the background and all! Continuing the Homicide for the Holidays series, Lacey breaks down a haunting Florida case involving a married couple murdered just days after Christmas, a surviving toddler, and a crime rooted in jealousy, betrayal, and obsession. She walks listeners through the investigation, the twists that led to a mistrial and eventual conviction, and the heartbreaking reality left behind for a child who lost both parents. The episode closes with a reminder to extend grace and support to working moms, especially during the holiday season when the mental load is often invisible but overwhelming. #thelawmaspodcast #homicideforthehoidays #laurenandlacey #holidaysurvival #lawmoms 

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey continue their Homicide for the Holidays series with two devastating family-centered cases that unfolded around Christmas. Before they discuss homicide, they walk through a complex legal question involving immigration, criminal charges, and victims’ rights, asking whether deportation should wait until a criminal case is resolved when victims are involved. The episode then turns deeply tragic. One case out of Washington details a brutal Christmas Eve family annihilation driven by greed, where parents, a brother, and two young children were murdered over a dispute involving rent and money. The second case, out of Pennsylvania, centers on a mother and her daughters murdered just days before Christmas, a surviving infant, and a father whose crimes were rooted in years of abuse and an impending trial. Through legal insight and thoughtful discussion, Lauren and Lacey examine motive, prosecution decisions, the cost of justice, and how often holiday violence is tied to family dynamics rather than strangers, making these cases especially haunting. #thelawmaspodcast #homicidefortheholidays #legalpodcast #lawmoms 

It’s the most wonderful and chilling time of the year on The Lawmas Podcast! Lauren and Lacey kick off their Holiday Homicide Series, mixing Christmas lights with true crime darkness. They start with a horrifying Christmas Eve massacre in California, where a man dressed as Santa turned a family celebration into tragedy, and follow it with a shocking New Year’s Eve story from Colorado involving teenage killers and a cult-like leader. Between eerie details, legal insights, and late-night laughs in pajamas, this episode shows how quickly holiday cheer can turn to chaos and why family law attorneys might have one of the most dangerous jobs out there. #thelawmaspodcast #holidayhomicides #laurenandlacey #lawmoms #lawpodcast

In this laid-back, laughter-filled episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey take a break from true crime to talk about real life, real stress, and the chaos of being working moms during the holidays. From favorite musicals and nostalgic TV re-watches (hello, Gilmore Girls and One Tree Hill) to court deadlines, snoring husbands, and the fine line between saving money and actually enjoying life, this episode is part vent session, part reminder to slow down and live in the moment. They share personal stories about work, family, loss, and gratitude, reminding listeners that it’s okay to be overwhelmed, it’s okay to spend on memories, and it’s okay to laugh through the exhaustion. #thelawmas #gilmoregirls #lawmoms #onetrellhill #lawmomspodcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey tackle two very real, but very different topics. They start with a tough conversation about caring for aging parents and the harsh realities of elder care laws, costs, and responsibilities. From guardianships and Medicaid to what happens when loved ones can no longer care for themselves, they talk through what families need to know, and why the system often fails middle-class Americans. Then... they switch gears to the headlines surrounding recent incidents at major theme parks like Disney and Universal. The hosts discuss where liability really falls when accidents happen, what those waiver agreements mean when you buy a ticket, and how misinformation can spread faster than the truth online. It’s a mix of real-life law, compassion, and the practical side of navigating complex systems, with a touch of Lawmas humor, of course. #thelawmaspodcast #nursinghomes #rollercoasters #DisneyDeaths #lawmoms #lawpodcast #legalpodcast

In this episode, Lauren and Lacey mix pop culture with a dose of legal reality! The episode starts with a reminder about kindness and mental health as the holidays approach, reflecting on how stress and silent struggles can affect anyone, even attorneys. The conversation turns to the legal headlines: Kim Kardashian’s latest setback on the California bar exam, and South Carolina politics, where claims about Attorney General Alan Wilson spark a discussion on misinformation and how the justice system really works. From bond hearings to sentencing, the hosts break down what’s fact versus fiction and remind listeners why understanding the law matters before sharing, or believing, what’s online.   #thelawmaspodcast #lawmoms #KimKardashian #AlanWilson #popculturepodcast 

In this post-Halloween episode, Lauren and Lacey trade spooky season for true crime as they discuss the new Netflix documentary on serial killer Aileen Wuornos....Lacey’s long-time “favorite case.” The conversation transitions into how sexism, trauma, and the justice system collided in Wuornos’s trial, from a prosecutor accused of hiding evidence to a judge forced to recuse herself for being “too fair.” They discuss how society’s views of sex work and empathy for victims have evolved, and why Wuornos’s story raises deeper legal and moral questions about accountability, trauma, and the death penalty. Follow and subscribe and never miss an episode of The Lawmas!   #thelawmas #AileenWuornos #Netflix #truecrime #lawmomspodcast 

It’s the Halloween episode of The Lawmas Podcast, and things get spooky! Lauren and Lacey are joined by their producer, Wendi Hill, who shares the eerie story of the ghost that’s made itself at home in her house, from unexplained voices to doors flying open and even a spirit that might have followed her family heirlooms. The conversation moves from ghost stories to personal experiences with the afterlife. Lauren recounts a visit to a shaman that revealed uncanny details about her late mother-in-law, while Lacey opens up about the dreams and visits she’s had from loved ones who’ve passed. This special episode blends the supernatural with lots of reflections, laughter, and a reminder that sometimes the veil between worlds feels closer than we think.

This week on The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey keep Spooky October going with real-life legal cases that cross into the paranormal. From a man who claimed he murdered his landlord while possessed, to a mother who solved her daughter’s death after being “visited” in her dreams, they explore how the justice system handles claims that seem straight out of a horror movie. Lacey also shares a chilling office story involving a toy that turns itself on, and a theory about a friendly spirit that might be visiting. The conversation dives into how far lawyers can go with supernatural defenses, what counts as expert testimony, and why some cold cases are reopened while others stay buried. Tune in for the mix of eerie stories, legal insight, and laughter you expect from The Lawmas Podcast.   #thelawmaspodcast #spookyoctober #legalpodast

This week on The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey wrap up their two-part discussion into Ed Gein, separating fact from fiction and unpacking what the Netflix series got wrong. From misrepresented murders to exaggerated rumors, they walk through the real story behind one of true crime’s most infamous figures. The conversation also explores how mental competency is determined in criminal cases, what “not guilty by reason of insanity” really means, and why those rulings matter today. Along the way, Lacey shares a personal story about falling down the stairs that turns into a real-world lesson on teaching kids how to call for help in an emergency. This episode connects horror, law, and humanity, proving that even the darkest cases raise questions about mental health, justice, and compassion.   #thelawmaspodcast #legalpodast #edgein #spookyoctober

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey continue their spooky-season series with a look at one of true crime’s most infamous, and misunderstood, figures: Ed Gein. Known as the inspiration for Psycho and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, the hosts explore whether he truly fits the definition of a serial killer. Before diving in, Lacey shares a story from a Down Syndrome fundraiser that sparks an honest talk about parenting, advocacy, and knowing when to speak up. Then the conversation turns to Gein’s isolated upbringing, his troubled relationship with his mother, and how his crimes changed horror movies and pop culture forever. This is Part 1 of a two-part deep dive into Ed Gein, the Netflix series, and the legal side of mental competency.

This week on The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey kick off Spooky October by asking a surprising question: if your house is haunted, do you legally have to tell buyers? Inspired by the infamous Amityville Horror case, they explore how a true crime turned ghost story ended up shaping real estate law. Along the way, they tackle Halloween trespassing rules, self-defense and costumes (can you really carry that fake knife as Michael Myers?), and how far “defending your property” can go before the law steps in. The conversation mixes legal analysis with personal stories, from family costumes to unexplained encounters that bring both laughs and chills. If you’ve ever wondered where the courtroom meets the supernatural, this episode has the answers. #thelawmaspodcast #spookyoctober #amityvillehorror #lawmoms 

This week, Lauren and Lacey wrap up “Serial Killer September” with a look at two of South Carolina’s most infamous killers, Todd Kohlhepp and Donald “Pee Wee” Gaskins. From Kohlhepp’s shocking crimes in the Upstate, including the Superbike murders and his disturbing use of a shipping container, to Gaskins’ decades-long spree that earned him the title “the meanest man in America.” Along the way, the hosts explore how gaps in licensing and background checks allowed Kohlhepp to blend into everyday life as a realtor, and how Gaskins’ brutal history defied any single pattern. They also discuss broader issues, like how laws spill across areas of criminal, family, and even estate law, and how public policy struggles to balance safety, rights, and justice.   #thelawmaspodcast #serialkillerseptember #peeweegaskins #toddkohlhepp #lawmoms 

In this episode, Lauren and Lacey dig into the case of the Golden State Killer, Joseph James DeAngelo, a man whose crimes spanned burglary, sexual assault, and murder across California in the 1970s and ’80s. They discuss how DNA evidence, once unimaginable in criminal investigations, ultimately linked his crimes together decades later and led to his arrest in 2018. They also discuss the science behind DNA profiling, the ethical concerns of law enforcement accessing genetic data from medical providers and ancestry services, and how law and science don’t always evolve at the same pace. The conversation also turns personal, as the hosts reflect on privacy, public health, and the balance between protecting communities and protecting individual rights. #thelawmaspodcast #laurenandlacey #lawmoms #lawpodcast #goldenstatekiller #josephjamesdeangelo #serieskillerseptember

Lauren and Lacey kick off Serial Killer September with a look into one of the most notorious names in true crime, Ted Bundy. They revisit his cross-country crimes, his shocking prison escapes, and the troubling way his appearance and charm shaped public perception and even courtroom treatment. Along the way, they explore the legal angles: what it meant for Bundy to represent himself, how attorney–client privilege works even in extreme cases, and why fair trials matter even for the worst offenders. The conversation also raises questions about whether Bundy could have operated as long in today’s world of DNA evidence and interstate cooperation, and why the public spectacle of his execution still lingers in cultural memory. What do you think?   #thelawmas #serialkillerseptember #lawmoms #lawpodcast #LaurenandLacey #legalpodcast #tedbundy

Lauren and Lacey kick off their brand-new Serial Killer September series by discussing how investigations into serial crimes have changed over the decades. From the days when police departments rarely shared information across state lines to today’s use of CODIS, DNA databases, and even familial DNA through ancestry websites, the tools for catching killers look dramatically different. The conversation explores both the promise and pitfalls of DNA evidence, how it has freed the innocent, convicted the guilty, and in some cases raised concerns about privacy, contamination, and misuse. They also dig into the psychological side of serial killers, comparing public perceptions of “likable” figures like Ted Bundy to the disturbing patterns seen in cases such as Pee Wee Gaskins, John Wayne Gacy, and South Carolina’s Todd Kohlhepp. The hosts tackle the differences between mass murderers and serial killers, the debate over whether genetics could ever play a role in sentencing, and how cases like the Golden State Killer changed the game with new science. To wrap things up on a lighter note, Lauren and Lacey share their thoughts on Cardi B’s hilarious courtroom moments and what they reveal about how celebrity clients are treated differently on the stand. This episode sets the stage for a month-long dive into infamous serial killers. Next up: Ted Bundy.   #thelawamaspodcast #serialkillerseptember #laurenandlacey #lawmoms #legalpodcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey mix pop culture with legal insight. After a quick story about Lacey’s trip to Atlanta to see basketball star A’ja Wilson, they discuss two trending topics: the Menendez brothers’ parole hearings and Netflix’s new Biggest Loser documentary. Lauren explains why both Eric and Lyle Menendez were denied parole, citing contraband cell phones and questions about remorse. The hosts explore how prison cell phones have fueled nationwide scams and how that plays into parole decisions, while also asking whether the brothers still pose a real threat to society. They then shift to the Biggest Loser documentary, highlighting troubling contracts that pressured contestants to waive legal rights and exposing unsafe health practices that put entertainment above wellbeing. Lauren and Lacey question whether such contracts should be enforceable and imagine how a healthier, more responsible version of the show could work today. Next Up: Serial Killer September and a paranormal lineup for October! It's going to be a fun fall with The Lawmas!   #legalpodcast #thebiggestloser #laurenandlacey #menendezbrothers #thelawmaspodcast 

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey continue their Infamous Women series with one of the most notorious names in true crime: Aileen Wuornos. They discuss Wuornos’ troubled childhood, her history of violence, and the series of murders that led to her place on death row. Along the way, they explore key legal questions around wills, inheritance, and the complexities of the death penalty. Was Wuornos’ first killing really self-defense? Should the jury have heard about the victim’s violent past? And how does her case compare to others, like Susan Smith? Lauren and Lacey also discuss the rarity of women on death row, how different states handle capital punishment, and why context matters when weighing “heinousness” against public safety. If you’re fascinated by the intersection of law and true crime, this episode will keep you thinking long after it ends. Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more episodes every Friday! #TrueCrime #AileenWuornos #DeathPenalty #LawPodcast #LegalAnalysis #TheLawmasPodcast

In this week’s episode, Lauren and Lacey continue their “Infamous Women” series with a case that shocked the 90s, the story of Mary Kay Letourneau. They revisit the headlines, the court case, and the deeply troubling facts of a 30-something teacher who began a sexual relationship with her 12-year-old student, ultimately having two children with him. Lauren and Lacey break down the legal implications, sentencing, and how the justice system treated her compared to how it might have treated a man in the same position. They also dig into how cultural attitudes, then and now, shape public perception of these cases, and why the age and power dynamics make consent impossible. From the courtroom to the lasting impact on the victim’s life, this conversation examines not only the legal side, but also the human cost. The hosts also weigh in on other recent teacher-related headlines, privacy issues, and double standards in punishment. It’s a candid, eye-opening discussion on justice, gender, and the law, and why some cases still make us question how far we’ve really come.

Can you really fraud your way onto Dancing with the Stars? In this week’s episode, Lauren and Lacey discuss Anna Delvey’s white collar crimes, her surprising light sentence, and why she’s still living (and profiting) in the U.S. despite not being a citizen. They also compare The Hunting Wives to real courtroom dynamics, because let’s be honest, we’ve all watched it in secret.  Listen now and tell us: Should someone get rich from committing a crime? #TheLawmasPodcast #AnnaDelvey #WhiteCollarCrime #TrueCrimeTalk #LegalBreakdown #FraudCases #ImmigrationLaw #LawyerLife #TheHuntingWives  

This week, Lauren and Lacey break down the twists and turns of the Karen Read case, from the hung jury to the eventual not-guilty verdict and everything in between. They get into the legal side of things: what a hung jury really means, how third-party guilt works, and whether Read might have a case to get her legal fees or property back. Before that, they kick things off with a quick mention take on the Amy Bradley Netflix doc and the mystery of her disappearance from a cruise ship.  From questionable police conduct to financial fallout for defendants, this episode offers a sharp but approachable look at the real-life impacts of criminal defense cases. If you want them to dive deeper into the Amy Bradley case or suggest another infamous woman to feature, send the Lawmas an email at [email protected] or DM them on Instagram #thelawmaspodcast #karenreadpodcast #amybradley #lawmoms #hungjuries #karenreadpodcast 

This week, Lauren and Lacey explore why some murder cases result in death penalty charges while others end in plea deals, sparked by the controversial Brian Kohlberger plea agreement and a divisive Indiana case where victim families disagreed with prosecutors' decisions. The hosts address a key misconception about victim trauma in the legal system. When cases involve child victims, prosecutors often accept plea deals to avoid forcing traumatized children to testify in open court and face cross-examination by defense attorneys. Parents frequently choose plea agreements over subjecting their children to additional trauma, even when it results in sentences that seem inadequate to the public. The practical realities of death penalty cases explain why prosecutors negotiate plea deals. Capital cases require two separate trials, extensive jury selection, and automatic appeals lasting 20 to 40 years. South Carolina has 32 inmates on death row, with executions rarely occurring. The state faces shortages of death penalty certified attorneys, requiring expensive private counsel.  While the Victims' Bill of Rights requires prosecutors to notify families about proceedings, ultimate charging decisions belong to the state to ensure objective justice rather than emotionally-driven outcomes. They criticize how the Kohlberger case was handled, arguing families deserved earlier notification about removing the death penalty from consideration. The episode touches on systemic court challenges including judge shortages and the emotional toll on legal professionals handling capital cases. They conclude by discussing attorney Dick Harpootlian's involvement in a recent local murder case, highlighting how lawyers often switch between prosecution and defense roles throughout their careers. The hosts emphasize that understanding these behind-the-scenes factors is crucial for forming informed opinions about seemingly lenient sentences, as prosecutors must balance evidence strength, victim trauma, resources, and the reality that death sentences often result in the same outcome as life imprisonment. Contact The Lawmas at [email protected] #deathpenalty #thelawmaspodcast #legalmoms #lawmoms #BrianKohlberger

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lacey and Lauren return with updates on some of the biggest legal cases they've discussed on the show. First, coming off of the July 4th holiday, they cover fireworks laws, then dig into major developments in the Alex Murdaugh appeal (including possible Brady violations), discuss new evidence that could impact the Menendez brothers’ case, and share a candid take on the P. Diddy verdicts and what the jury likely considered. They also weigh in on whether the Epstein files should be made public, and what that means for public perception vs. legal reality. Appeals, parole, prosecutorial missteps, and public opinion—it's all here in this roundup episode!   #thelawmaspodcast #laceyandlauren #legalpodcast #murdaugh #pdiddy #menendezbrothers #lawmoms 

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey dig into the legal side of the P. Diddy trial, breaking down the leaked verdict sheet, the concept of an Allen charge, jury deliberations, and what happens when a juror wants out. But first, they share a candid conversation about the double standards facing stay-at-home dads and the challenges working moms face when juggling court dates, client obligations, and sick kids. It’s an honest, insightful mix of legal analysis and real-life lawyer-mom perspective. (Note: This episode was recorded before the verdict.) Plus, get a sneak peek at the upcoming series on infamous female criminals!   Contact The Lawmas at [email protected] #thelawmaspodcast #pdiddycase #podcastpdiddy #stayathomedads #legalpodcast

In this Fourth of July episode, Lauren and Lacey take a closer look at what it really means to have personal freedom, especially when legal, medical, and ethical questions collide. They discuss a recent case in Georgia involving a woman who was declared brain dead but kept on life support to carry her pregnancy to term. They also discuss tough topics like healthcare decisions, abortion laws, and the rights outlined in the Constitution. From their legal perspectives as an estate planning and a criminal defense attorney, they explore: How healthcare power of attorney documents work, and why they matter The challenges doctors face when laws restrict medical judgment The emotional and financial toll on families caught in these situations Why black-and-white laws often don’t fit real-life cases How women can take steps now to document their wishes clearly Lauren and Lacey share their own views on life, family, faith, and the importance of letting people make the decisions that are right for them. Be safe this holiday weekend, don’t drink and drive, and if you ever need legal help, you know who to call.   #thelawmaspodcast #4thofJuly #lawmoms #personalfreedom #constitution

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey close out their reality TV legal series with a breakdown of Mormon Wives, but not before tackling a timely topic: AI in the legal world. From estate planning to criminal defense, they explain why tools like ChatGPT can’t replace a real lawyer and how relying on AI could land you in legal trouble. They then turn their focus to Mormon Wives and the complicated issues around underage marriage, statutory rape laws, and cultural pressure. They dive into age of consent laws, “Romeo and Juliet” exceptions, and why pushing girls into marriage so young is legally and ethically problematic. The Lawmas also highlight celebrity double standards, like Kylie Jenner and Elvis, where teen-adult relationships get a pass. Finally, they wrap with a quick legal take on cease-and-desist letters and defamation in reality TV drama. Message The Lawmas on Instagram or [email protected]   #podcast #thelawmas #momlawyers #mormonwives #realitytvpodcast #chatGPT  

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey continue talking through legal issues of reality TV, this time digging into the world of Sister Wives. From the complexities of property ownership and inheritance to health care decisions and estate planning, the hosts unpack what happens when legal systems don’t account for polygamous family structures. Using Coyote Pass as a case study, they explain how lack of legal marriage impacts real estate rights, medical decision-making, child custody, taxes, and more. While recognizing the personal freedom of spiritual marriages, they emphasize the importance of legal planning, like health care proxies, wills, and contracts, to protect everyone involved. The conversation also touches on public policy concerns and why legalizing plural marriage remains unlikely. Looking ahead, Lauren and Lacey tease an upcoming episode on fertility law and reproductive rights, highlighting how modern family structures continue to challenge outdated legal norms.   #lawmaspodcast #legalpodcast #lawmoms #realityTVpodcast #sisterwivespodcast #laurenandlacey

In this listener-voted episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey dig into the wild world of reality TV and the legal complexities behind shows like Sister Wives and The Poly Family. From the history of anti-polygamy laws to modern custody battles and property rights, the Lauren and Lacey unpack how the law views these unconventional family structures and where it gets messy. They also discuss the darker history of cults like FLDS and the Kingstons, the role of public policy, fraud concerns, and what really happens when reality TV meets real legal risk. Spoiler: Cody Brown’s biggest issue might not be the sister wives, it might be the paperwork!! Stay tuned for future episodes exploring estate planning, custody, and more drama from reality TV's most legally chaotic families. TheLawmasPodcast.com #thelawmaspodcast #sisterwives #realitytvpodcast #lawpodcast #laurenandlacey #FLDS #Kingstons, polygamy 

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, hosts Lauren and Lacey reflect on Father’s Day through the lens of their own personal experiences. Kicking off with a quick legal Q&A about locating a will and navigating probate when one isn't readily available, the conversation soon shifts into an emotional discussion about the complex roles fathers play in their children's lives—especially for millennials. Lacey opens up about her strained relationship with her father, sharing vulnerable stories about abandonment, longing for connection, and the emotional toll of growing up without the stability and love she craved. She draws a poignant parallel to a recent Teen Mom episode, touching on themes of accountability and the need for children to reclaim their narratives. Lauren offers a contrasting but equally powerful perspective, recounting her own experience with a supportive and present father, as well as the challenges her husband faced growing up with a largely absent, troubled dad and an overbearing grandmother. Together, they explore how different father figures, and how the presence or absence of them shape us as individuals and parents. The episode closes with love and gratitude for their current partners and a Father’s Day tribute. It’s an honest, emotional, and insightful conversation that will resonate with anyone navigating family complexities during this time of year. #thelawmas #fathersday #mompreneurs #lawpodcast #applepodcasts #mompodcast #millennialpodcast

In this episode of The Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey wrap up their millennial series by getting candid about the realities of being business owners, attorneys, and moms navigating hustle culture. From choosing business structures to managing sick days and setting boundaries with clients, Lauren and Lacey share personal stories that reflect the unique challenges millennials face and how their generation is shifting expectations in the legal profession. The conversation discusses how they balance family life, prioritizing mental health, and creating workplace cultures rooted in empathy and flexibility. Lacey and Lauren also reflect on how millennial attorneys are rethinking advocacy and client care, particularly when it comes to addiction, rehabilitation, and second chances. This episode is a tribute to working moms, fur baby parents, and every millennial trying to build a fulfilling life with boundaries that matter! #thelawmaspodcast #mompreneur #lawmoms #millennials #boundaries

In this episode of the Lawmas Podcast, Lauren and Lacey get real about the complicated dynamics millennials face with their parents and grandparents. What starts as part two of parenting as millennials quickly turns into a candid conversation about the emotional tug-of-war between generational expectations and modern family realities. Lauren & Lacey share personal stories about caregiving, proximity to family, and the often-unseen pressures they face as busy professionals, moms, and daughters. They reflect on how geography, family structure, and life stages impact their ability, and willingness, to show up for extended family in the ways older generations might expect. Lacey opens up about being labeled “the favorite,” while Lauren shares how being an only child changes her support system. They also explore how millennial parents are redefining what “family” means today, including the shift toward prioritizing their immediate household. Get ready for cultural expectations, sibling comparisons, and a little Kardashian commentary. Get ready for laughs, real talk, and a refreshing reminder that family relationships are never one-size-fits-all.   #thelawmaspodcast #laurenandlacey #millennials #parentingasmillenials #lawmoms