Two Therapists At A Bar

How much is too much to share with your spouse? In this episode, we explore why this question is important to answer for the health of your relationship, the difference between protecting your partner and deciding for them, what belongs between just the two of you, and why the things left unsaid tend to accumulate in ways we don't always see coming.

Dr. Michael Shceeringa is back with us to continue the conversation from our earlier episode, where we challenged the idea that “the body keeps the score.” In this episode, we go deeper into trauma and unpack common myths. Does everyone have trauma? How is trauma actually defined? Why do some people with trauma not develop PTSD? We explore these questions and much more.Guest BioDr. Michael S. Scheeringa, M.D. is a retired child and adolescent psychiatrist, former Professor and Vice Chair at Tulane University School of Medicine, and a leading researcher in the field of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Over his nearly three-decade career, he has served as principal investigator on more than 15 federally funded studies, authored over 90 peer-reviewed articles, and written several books, including The Trouble with Trauma and Treating PTSD in Preschoolers. Dr Scheeringa's research informed the DSM-5 criteria for PTSD in young children.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

We’re back — first episode of 2026. In this episode, we catch up on what we’ve been up to during the break before diving into a topic that affects all of us: how to receive critical feedback. Why is it so hard to hear? How do you know when criticism is worth receiving — and when it’s not? And once you decide to take it seriously, how do you process it in a way that actually helps you grow instead of shutting you down? Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

For the month of December, we’re replaying our top 5 episodes of the year—this one comes in at number 3:In this episode, we talk about the kind of grief that shatters a life—and what comes after. We’re joined by our very first guest, Gene Fought, who shares his story of unimaginable loss: the death of his daughter to suicide. Through his story, we explore what it means to grieve, whether there’s a wrong or right way to grieve, how faith and loss can coexist, and how to support others when they’re in the depths of pain. This is a raw, honest, and hopeful conversation about heartbreak and finding meaning after tragedy.Gene Fought works as an Intelligence Analyst for the Federal government, is the owner of Renzo Gracie Martinsburg, founder of the ⁠Grapple;4Life Foundation⁠, and serves as a Board Member and Public Policy Chair for the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP).Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

For the month of December, we’re replaying our top 5 episodes of the year—this one comes in at number 4:In this episode, we discuss the unfiltered truth about marriage and why it’s not for the faint of heart. We challenge the fairy tale narratives, explore why real love often feels like a battle, and reveal what makes it all worth it. Whether you're in the trenches of commitment or preparing for the road ahead, this conversation will help you navigate the struggles and come out stronger.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

For the month of December, we’re replaying our top five episodes of the year—this episode one comes in at number five.Is masculinity under attack, evolving, or just misunderstood? What does it mean to be a man in the 21st century? In this episode, we break down masculinity, exploring how men have embodied manhood in the past, the role of rites of passage, and why masculinity vs. femininity is a false dichotomy. We also dive into the high-value man concept, toxic masculinity, and what’s really at stake for men today. Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we sit down with Chachi Avirett, a wilderness guide and men’s mentor with more than 4,000 days spent leading men through the backcountry—physically and spiritually. We talk about why the wilderness has a unique power to shape men, what today’s culture gets wrong about masculine formation, and why most men’s retreats barely scratch the surface. Chachi shares the heart behind Training Ground Tennessee, how adventure creates space for identity and calling to emerge, and what he would tell men who feel “too old” for a program like his but still long for growth, depth, and challenge.Chachi Avirett has spent over 4,000 days guiding students and leaders through wilderness experiences that blend adventure, spiritual formation, and deep mentorship. With more than 22 years of ministry experience as both a youth and college minister, he’s devoted his life to helping young men discover their identity and calling in an environment where distractions fade, and character is forged. He and his wife, Grace, live just outside Cleveland, Tennessee, with their two children, Hope and Jonathan.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Tim Casias, an anesthesiologist whose training spans pediatrics, anesthesia, pediatric anesthesia, and pediatric chronic pain. Now the Director of Anesthesia at Aiken Regional Medical Center, Dr. Casias shares how his clinical experience led him into one of the most complex ethical debates in modern medicine: the use of anesthesia in gender transition surgeries.We talk through why he ultimately chose not to participate in these procedures—what he learned from years in pediatric and chronic pain medicine, the clinical concerns that informed his decision, and the ethical framework he applies to high-stakes situations. We also explore the striking differences between gender medicine in the U.S. and the rapidly changing standards in Europe, along with broader issues of medical culture, patient safety, and the pressures physicians face when cultural trends collide with clinical judgment.Tim Casias is an anesthesiologist and the current Director of Anesthesia at Aiken Regional Medical Center in Aiken, SC. He completed his medical training at the University of Colorado in 2009. He is trained and board certified in Pediatrics (Mercy Children’s Hospital, KS), Anesthesia (University of Colorado, CO), Pediatric Anesthesia and Chronic Pain with a focus on Pediatric Chronic Pain (Seattle Children’s Hospital). He was previously the Director of Pediatric Chronic Pain at American Family Children’s Hospital associated with the University of Wisconsin). He is currently practicing in adult general, OB, and cardiac anesthesia.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this follow-up , we continue unpacking the unique relationship between therapist and client—why it can feel so personal, even deeper than friendship, and what makes it distinct. We talk about the qualities that make therapy such a powerful connection, and why clear boundaries don’t necessarily mean emotional distance. We also shift the conversation toward values in therapy—how they shape the process, what happens when values differ, and the therapist’s role in helping clients find clarity and alignment.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we dive into one of the most common—and complicated—questions in therapy: Can you be friends with your therapist? We explore the importance of professional boundaries, what happens when therapy relationships get too personal, and why connection and boundaries both matter. We also talk about the unique challenges of living in a small town, where therapists and clients often cross paths at church, work, or in the community.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, Dale and I sit down with Dale’s former graduate school professor, Dr. Tron Wilder, to explore the intersections of faith, education, and psychology in the age of AI. Tron shares his journey into academia and the challenges professors face as artificial intelligence reshapes the learning landscape. We also talk about his faith journey and how he reconciles his Christian worldview with the realities of teaching psychology at a faith-based university. It’s a thoughtful conversation about belief, purpose, and what it means to educate minds in a changing world.Dr. Tron Wilder is a professor and Director of the Undergraduate Psychology Program at Southern Adventist University near Chattanooga, TN. Currently on sabbatical, he’s completing clinical hours toward full licensure as a psychologist at the Chattanooga Autism Center. Before joining Southern in 2013, he worked for a decade as a school psychologist serving children with learning and developmental needs. Tron lives in downtown Chattanooga with his wife, Kristie—who teaches in Southern’s School of Social Work—and their two sons, Ace and Jude.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we unpack a tricky question: Is it selfishness, or is it narcissism? We explore where narcissism comes from, how it differs from ordinary self-interest, and why the word gets thrown around so loosely today. We also talk about how to recognize the difference in ourselves and others—and what can be done about it.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we sit down with Chris George—founder and CEO of Sproutly—to trace the arc of his story, from growing up as a homeschooled missionary kid in the jungles of the Philippines, to his transition back to life and studies in the U.S., to building a successful software company. Today, Chris is facing terminal brain cancer, and he reflects with honesty and depth on what this diagnosis has taught him about purpose, resilience, and living fully.Chris George is the founder and CEO of Sproutly, a software company he launched in 2017 to reimagine how digital tools can empower businesses and individuals. With a background in engineering and an unconventional childhood spent as a missionary kid in the Philippines, Chris brings a global perspective to his work and life.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In Part Two of our reflection on Charlie Kirk’s death, we shift to the bigger question of whether we can still agree to disagree—and what it would take to bring back civil conversation. From there, we explore forgiveness through the lens of Erika Kirk’s response—asking whether forgiveness can be genuine, performative, or something in between.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we sit with the reactions—our own and others’—to Charlie Kirk’s death. Social media has made it possible for people to share thoughts and feelings publicly that once would have stayed private, and we talk about the impact of that, especially the harmful implications. Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, David and Dale sit down with David’s childhood friend, Chris Mureithi, our first international guest, to explore the cultural contrasts between Kenya and the United States. Chris shares his perspective on parenting, leadership, and romantic relationships, offering both critique and appreciation for each culture’s unique strengths and blind spots. With humor, energy, and insight, Chris invites us to rethink how culture and leadership shapes the way we lead, love, and raise the next generation.Chris Mureithi is an award-winning Leadership and Motivational Speaker, author of three books, and international trainer who has equipped over 800,000 leaders globally. Known for his humor, storytelling, and high-energy delivery, he inspires audiences to transform culture, embrace change, and achieve peak performance. His expertise spans Change Management, Customer Experience, Personal Branding, Emotional Intelligence, Team Building, Public Speaking, and Storytelling training. Trusted by governments, NGOs, multinationals, SMEs, academic institutions, and faith organizations, Chris is passionate about creating impactful experiences that drive real results.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In recent years, a surge of work—from best-selling books like The Body Keeps the Score to documentaries, podcasts, and professional trainings— have shaped how the public and mental health profession think about trauma and the body. But what if the science isn’t as settled as we think?In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Michael Scheeringa, a leading child and adolescent trauma psychiatrist, researcher, and author of The Body Does Not Keep The Score & The Trouble with Trauma. Dr. Scheeringa challenges popular narratives around “toxic stress,” trauma-induced brain damage, and trauma-informed ideology, bringing a data-driven perspective to one of the most emotionally charged topics in mental health.We explore:The science (and limits) behind trauma and brain researchWhy the diathesis-stress model might explain PTSD better than the “toxic stress” storyThe role of predisposition vs. protective factors in trauma recoveryWhether popular trauma frameworks are shaped more by politics than by evidenceWhether you’re a clinician or curious listener, this conversation will challenge you, like it did us, to think more critically about trauma science.Guest BioDr. Michael S. Scheeringa, M.D. is a retired child and adolescent psychiatrist, former Professor and Vice Chair at Tulane University School of Medicine, and a leading researcher in the field of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Over his nearly three-decade career, he has served as principal investigator on more than 15 federally funded studies, authored over 90 peer-reviewed articles, and written several books, including The Trouble with Trauma and Treating PTSD in Preschoolers. Dr Scheeringa's research informed the DSM-5 criteria for PTSD in young children.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we explore the curse of knowledge—how knowing something can sometimes hold us back instead of helping us move forward. From the illusion of mastery to the gap between what we know and what we actually live out, we talk about how knowledge can create blind spots in relationships, work, and personal growth—and what we can do to break free from it.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this powerful episode, we sit with Sabrina Dorman‑Andrew, founder of New Creation VA, to explore how one broken building—a former adult store—became a beacon of hope. We dive into the extraordinary journey of transforming darkness into dignity, creating dignified work for survivors, and building a nonprofit that combines prevention education, survivor restoration, and global partnerships. Sabrina shares the pivotal moments that sparked her mission, the challenges of breathing life into a vision, and how we all can play a meaningful part in counteracting human trafficking.Sabrina Dorman-Andrew is the co-founder and executive director of New Creation VA, a nonprofit born out of a powerful vision to creatively counteract human trafficking. Sabrina and her husband Steve have partnered with over 200 artisan groups across five continents, empowering survivors and vulnerable individuals through dignified employment and education. Rooted in faith and community, Sabrina champions prevention programs for youth and sustainable job creation.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we unpack why “sorry” so often falls flat after a grievance. We talk how real repair requires more than trying to “pay for your sins” with acts of guilt or obsequiousness. We also explore forgiveness on the part of the hurt partner, making amends, and what it takes to rebuild trust after hurting your partner.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this heartfelt conversation, we reconnect with Carrie Landis—an early-career friend of Dale’s and now the founder and director of Riverside Family Support. Carrie opens up about building her private therapeutic practice and the unique joys and challenges of parenting as a therapist. Together we discuss the journey of discovering ADHD in adulthood, parenting through the lens of attachment, and much more.Note: Unfortunately, the first part of the episode wasn’t recorded, but we join the discussion already underway.Carrie Landis, LCSW, MAT, is the founder and director of Riverside Family Support, a practice focused on helping families and individuals thrive. She holds dual master’s degrees in social work and teaching, and has over a decade of experience as an educator and clinician. Carrie specializes in attachment-focused therapy, ADHD and executive function support, EMDR, and forensic evaluations. She’s passionate about blending her professional expertise with the real-life challenges of parenting.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

What happens when you’ve poured in all the effort you think you have… but it still doesn’t feel like enough? In this episode, we take inspiration from Kate Hall’s article Maybe You’re Not Actually Trying and dive deeper into the layered realities of effort. We talk about the different ways “trying” can show up, why we sometimes mistake exhaustion for progress, and how to identify the hidden opportunities we might be ignoring.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Jon Van Ornam—an emergency medicine physician. We talk about his experience on the front lines of the ER, how he navigates mental health crises in patients, and why many doctors avoid getting help themselves. We also dive into personality traits in medicine, the link between narcissism and leadership in healthcare, and the supplement protocol he personally uses to stay mentally and physically sharp. Dr. Jonathan D. Van Ornam, MD, MBA, is a board-certified emergency medicine physician based in Boston, Massachusetts.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we delve into the experience of betrayal in relationships—what it feels like, why it impacts us so profoundly, and how we can heal. We explore how to process the pain and grow amidst it, whether or not the person who hurt you ever changes.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we sit down with our friend Philip Wiygul, a lifelong outdoorsman and agricultural educator, to talk about his journey into farming and how he’s blended his love of the land with a passion for teaching. We explore the highs and lows of farm life, career reflections on purpose and resilience, and how mental health shows up in both quiet moments and busy seasons. Philip Wiygul serves as the Agricultural Director at Shenandoah Valley Academy, where he leads hands-on food production for both the school and local community. A lifelong outdoorsman, Philip combines his love for farming with a passion for education and mentoring students, teaching sustainable agriculture in real-world, educational settings.Get 10% OFF your next Neuro order with discount code TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR at checkout: ⁠⁠⁠neurogum.com/TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR⁠⁠⁠Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we finally dive deep into a topic we’ve lightly touched on before—pornography, unwanted sexual behavior, and sex addiction. We focus especially on how these aspects show up in marriages and long-term relationships. What exactly is sex addiction, and is it even real? Is porn use within a marriage ever healthy? How can partners tell the difference between occasional use, compulsive patterns, and full-blown addiction?We explore the emotional toll on both parties, what accountability and recovery can look like, and what betrayed partners can do to support themselves. Whether you’re personally impacted or just curious, this honest conversation offers clarity, support, and hope.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Curious about how cutting-edge physics relates to consciousness, spirituality, and mental health? In this episode, we nerd out with Dr. Klebert Feitosa—professor an experimental physicist at James Madison University. We break down big ideas like quantum mechanics and soft-matter physics in a way that even a 10‑year‑old can understand—and we explore how these concepts intersect with faith, consciousness, and emotional resilience. From the classroom to the cosmos, this is a fun, enlightening dive into why science. and its deeper implications, matters to all of us.Dr. Klebert Feitosa is a professor of physics at James Madison University, where he specializes in soft matter physics—studying materials like foams, bubbles, and grains. His research explores how everyday materials behave under stress, revealing surprising insights about the world around us. Known for making complex topics engaging and accessible, Dr. Feitosa is passionate about connecting science to everyday life—and sparking curiosity in others.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we dig into one of the trickiest parts of work life: navigating your relationship with your boss. Whether you have a supportive supervisor or a toxic micromanager, the dynamic you have with your boss can make or break your experience. We talk about the power structures at play, how to manage up with integrity, and what strategies and mindsets can help you stay grounded. Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we sit down with First Sergeant Matt Hand of the Virginia State Police to talk about the human side of law enforcement. Matt shares stories from his 20+ year career—from high-speed chases to moments of trauma—and opens up about the mental health toll that often goes unspoken. We discuss the myths surrounding cops and therapy, the pressures of the job, and why vulnerability might be one of the most powerful tools an officer can have. Here's a look into mental health behind the badge.Matt Hand is a First Sergeant with the Virginia State Police. As a seasoned interdictor and dedicated public servant, he brings both strength and humility to his work. Matt is deeply committed to protecting communities, mentoring fellow officers, and serving as a role model both on duty and at home. He balances this demanding career with family life, offering a grounded perspective on leadership, resilience, and service.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this Father’s Day episode, David interviews Dale about his journey into fatherhood. Was being a dad always part of the plan? What shaped his desire to become a father and what keeps him going now as a dad of four? Dale opens up about the lessons, struggles, and surprises he’s faced along the way, how his own story shaped his parenting.⁠⁠⁠Questions & Feedback Form ⁠⁠⁠⁠Get 10% OFF your next Neuro order with discount code TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR at checkout: ⁠⁠⁠⁠neurogum.com/TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Get 15% off your OLIPOP order using this link⁠⁠⁠⁠ and enter the promo code SODALOVE at checkout.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we’re joined by Reed Richardi to explore the complex and deeply personal intersection of mental health, faith, and religion. Reed shares his own journey and how he approaches these topics as a pastor. We explore big questions like:How much of my healing is up to me—and how much is up to God?What does accountability look like when someone is mentally unwell?Can mental illness block spiritual growth?What if I’m having intrusive thoughts about God?Why hasn’t God healed me?Whether you’re wrestling with your own mental health or wondering how to support others in your spiritual community, this conversation offers insight, compassion, and hope.Reed serves as the lead pastor of the New Market Seventh-day Adventist church. He has a deep love for Scripture and a passion for discipleship, believing that the greatest adventure in life is following Jesus and helping others do the same. Reed and his wife Jade live with their four kids in the Shenandoah Valley, where they enjoy hiking, foraging, and mountain life. He is also the author of a book on what it means to be a disciple of Jesus, available here.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Why do we people please? In this episode, we get personal about our experiences with people pleasing, both growing up and more recently. We unpack the hidden motives behind it and why it’s not the same as kindness. We also talk about what's helped us grow beyond it, set healthier boundaries, and learn to show up more honestly in our relationships.⁠⁠Questions & Feedback Form ⁠⁠⁠Get 10% OFF your next Neuro order with discount code TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR at checkout: ⁠⁠⁠neurogum.com/TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR⁠⁠⁠⁠Get 15% off your OLIPOP order using this link⁠⁠⁠ and enter the promo code SODALOVE at checkout. Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we talk about the kind of grief that shatters a life—and what comes after. We’re joined by our very first guest, Gene Fought, who shares his story of unimaginable loss: the death of his daughter to suicide. Through his story, we explore what it means to grieve, whether there’s a wrong or right way to grieve, how faith and loss can coexist, and how to support others when they’re in the depths of pain. This is a raw, honest, and hopeful conversation about heartbreak and finding meaning after tragedy.Gene Fought works as an Intelligence Analyst for the Federal government, is the owner of Renzo Gracie Martinsburg, founder of the Grapple;4Life Foundation, and serves as a Board Member and Public Policy Chair for the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP).Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

NOTE: A brief section of the episode around 03:46 was lost, where we began discussing how privacy is viewed in different cultures. Thanks for your understanding—we’ll revisit it soon!In this episode, we explore the subtle but important difference between privacy and secrecy—and why one protects relationships while the other quietly destroys them. We talk about how this tension shows up in relationships. What should be kept private? When does that privacy cross the line into hiding? And how can you tell the difference in your own relationship? We’ll also share how to build trust and transparency without oversharing or losing healthy boundaries.Get 10% OFF your next Neuro order with discount code TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR at checkout: ⁠⁠neurogum.com/TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR⁠⁠Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we go deeper into the conversation that started with ADHD, this time focusing on medication. What actually counts as medication? Is it only what’s prescribed by a doctor, or is it anything we use to change how we feel, focus, or function? We explore how broad that definition really is, the staggering statistics around medication use in the U.S., and what that might say about our culture. We share our personal takes on what’s helpful, what’s harmful, and why we need to be more thoughtful about how we define and use “medication.”Get 10% OFF your next Neuro order with discount code TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR at checkout: ⁠neurogum.com/TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR⁠Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

It seems like everyone is talking about ADHD lately but does that mean everyone actually has it? In this episode, we explore the growing conversation around ADHD: Are more people being accurately diagnosed, or are we confusing normal struggles with clinical symptoms? We talk about Dale’s experience learning he had ADHD as an adult, how he manages it, and what helped most: medication, supplements, and/or lifestyle changes? We also unpack why so many people are just now discovering ADHD later in life, and whether having a diagnosis is helpful or limiting.Get 10% OFF your next Neuro order with discount code TWOTHERAPISTSATABAR at checkout: neurogum.com/TWOTHERAPISTSATABARAre you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we explore a tough but important question: Am I being abused, or is this just conflict? We unpack where the line is between healthy disagreement and emotional harm, whether abuse can be unintentional, and how to recognize the difference. We also ask: Are we all capable of being abusive? And how do we engage in conflict without crossing that line? Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

You’ve heard the promises: “I’ll change.” “This was the last time.” But nothing’s different. In this episode, we speak to those loving someone with an addiction and the addicted individual. How do you know if change is actually possible? How do you tell the difference between hope and denial? You’ll learn what to look for beyond words and what the change process really involves. If you're tired of the cycle, confused about what to believe, or just trying to protect your peace, this conversation is for you.00:00  Dale hates flies & other Africa stories10:10 My partner has an addiction, should I stay or go?14:33 Do they really want to change?18:40  Talk is cheap22:36 When doing your best to change is not enough27:17 Owning your mistakes35:40 The process of change53:53 Are some addictions stronger than others?59:40 Reaching out for help1:03:52 What is rock bottom?Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we ask each other a simple question: Why do we do what we do? That sparks a deeper conversation about the heart of therapy. Is it just about fixing problems—or is there something more meaningful at play? We share our personal answers and explore whether a therapist’s personal beliefs matter, and if true objectivity is even possible. We also take on a common question: Should therapists give advice—and when is it actually helpful?00:00 Intro03:10 Is the goal of therapy to eliminate suffering?07:30 Meaningless vs meaningful suffering26:38 Can therapists truly be objective?44:17 Should therapists give advice?56:50 Has therapy replaced church?Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Who comes first in a man's life, his mother, his wife, or his daughter? In this episode, we explore this trending dilemma, the most common answers we’ve seen, and share our own takes. Using principles from family systems theory and relationship science, we dive into the dynamics behind each role, the emotional weight of the question, and why it hits so hard. 00:00 Intro01:14 Dale's blue lipstick06:35 Choosing between mom, wife or daughter12:40 Why is "wife" never chosen as top priority?16:39 Spouse vs. Kids47:11 Spouse vs. ParentsAre you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Failure is inevitable but what do you do after it happens? In this episode, we talk about what failure really is, the different levels of failure (from minor slip-ups to life-altering moments), and whether there's actually any benefit to falling short. We also share some practical approaches for processing failure, learning from it, and moving forward.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Why is it so hard to have honest conversations with friends? In this episode, we unpack the unique dynamics of friendship that make difficult conversations feel so loaded, and why avoiding them can hurt more in the long run. We share real examples from our own lives, explore when it’s necessary to speak up, how to bring things up respectfully, and how to listen well, even when you don’t agree. Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Is self-care overrated or are we just doing it wrong? In this episode, we break down common myths about self-care, the ways we often sabotage our own self-care routines, and what really makes self-care effective. We also share how starting jiu-jitsu became a form of self-care for both of us, and explore what elements create a meaningful and sustainable self-care practice. If you’ve ever felt like self-care isn’t working, this conversation is for you.00:00 Intro01:09 Dale’s pedicure experience03:50 How do we define good self-care?07:58 Why do we find ourselves doom scrolling as a form of self-care?15:48 How we sabotage self-care: performing instead of transforming16:25 How Dale started jiu jitsu as a hobby27:27 Dale’s other hobbies and how they are different34:53 Is self-care selfish?36:58 The five elements of responsible self-care42:10 How David started jiu jitsu49:51 The main goal of self-care53:19 Self-care is much more than a hobby or downtimeAre you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this special Q&A episode, we’re diving into your questions! We discuss online therapy vs. in-person therapy, how therapists decide when to listen vs. challenge a client, and what to do when your sense of purpose is shaken—like after losing a job. We also explore concerns around “over-therapizing,” self-diagnosis, and the fear of being labeled in therapy. Plus, we share practical ways to check in with yourself emotionally and physically when you feel anxious or stuck.We couldn’t get to every question, but we’d love to hear more from you! Drop your questions or feedback in the Tally form below. We’ll try to cover them in a future episode or even dedicate a whole episode to a few:Questions & Feedback Form Get 15% off your OLIPOP order using this link⁠⁠ and enter the promo code SODALOVE at checkout. 00:00 Intro03:17 Is BetterHelp & other online therapy worth it?14:49 How do I check in with myself emotionally and calm my anxiety?32:20 How do I bring up a self-diagnosis with my therapist without being labeled/dismissed?46:58 When should a therapist listen vs challenge a client?53:21 What happens when your sense of purpose is shaken? (e.g. losing a job that gave you meaning).Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Get 15% off your OLIPOP order using this link⁠ and enter the promo code SODALOVE at checkout. In this episode, we explore the unique fulfillment sex provides and whether it’s a want or a need. Can we ever thrive without it? We break down the difference between lust and eros, the role of intimacy in sex, and whether sex can ever be just sex—is casual sex ever truly casual? We also discuss the challenges couples face in sexual fulfillment and when sex reaches its greatest potential in a relationship.00:00 Intro02:32 Is sex a want or a need?04:22 Is life all about pleasure or is there more?11:47 When sex becomes necessary17:20 Intimacy - the missing piece of the sex puzzle18:28 Which stage of a relationship is sex the best?21:11 Is casual sex ever just sex?26:53 Lust vs. Eros35:42 The orgasm gap - why we're not having great sex39:12  Men's insecurities with receiving feedback on sex43:49 Why the Bible uses the word "knew" for sex44:48 Can sex toys ever be a hindrance?46:21 The problem with p*rn and other explicit content58:44 Closing thoughts on intimacyAre you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Get 15% off your OLIPOP order using this link and enter the promo code SODALOVE at checkout. Is masculinity under attack, evolving, or just misunderstood? What does it mean to be a man in the 21st century? In this episode, we break down masculinity, exploring how men have embodied manhood in the past, the role of rites of passage, and why masculinity vs. femininity is a false dichotomy. We also dive into the high-value man concept, toxic masculinity, and what’s really at stake for men today. 00:00 Intro02:55 How do we define masculinity?07:35 Masculinity vs femininity is a false dichotomy10:00 Why "rites of passage" matter to men23:49 C.S. Lewis' thoughts on masculinity27:15 How to address men's physical insecurities 29:57 Addressing feelings of weakness & inadequacy39:48 What is toxic masculinity?47:04 The truth about the "high value man"57:06  High-value man vs. pursuing high values01:00:18 Evaluating high-value men influencers01:04:53 How to embody modern masculinityAre you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

Finding the right therapist can feel overwhelming—but it’s one of the most important decisions you can make for your mental health. In this episode, two therapists break down how to choose the right therapist, why knowing your goals is crucial, and what actually makes therapy successful. We also share our own experiences searching for therapy, discuss how to tell if therapy is working, whether agreeing with your therapist’s worldview matters, and how to pick between a psychiatrist, psychologist, LMFT, LPC, or LCSW. Whether you’re new to therapy or looking to switch, this episode will help you make the right choice for your mental health journey.00:00 Intro03:50 How David found a therapist06:02 How David found a therapist06:53 Why people get so little from therapy08:47 Different kinds of therapy14:59 How to get the most out of therapy19:47 The most important factor for success23:55 Being honest with your therapist27:38 How to find a therapist on Psychology Today32:44 Is therapy for the mentally ill or for everyone?34:48 What if therapy is not working for me?42:33 Should I see a psychiatrist, psychologist, or counselor?49:21 What if my core beliefs differ from my therapist?Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this Valentine’s Day special, we’re tackling why dating feels harder than ever—and what to do about it. With apps, social media, shifting expectations and gender dynamics, modern dating is more complicated than ever before. We discuss the big trends in 2025, the reality of hypergamy (dating up in status or resources), and why so many people feel stuck. We’ll share a practical starting point to successfully navigate the dating world and build a meaningful relationship.Are you a therapist? Upgrade your clinical toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy in couples work.⁠

Why do we feel restless in our own lives, like we should be somewhere else, doing something more? In this episode, we break down the feeling of boredom and dissatisfaction with ordinary life, using an apt Jerry Seinfeld stand-up clip as a launch point. We explore whether this restlessness is a modern problem or just part of being human, why patience matters, and how embracing the ordinary can actually lead to a richer, more meaningful life. Plus, we dive into the power of myth and story in transforming the way we see our everyday experiences.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.

In this episode, we discuss the unfiltered truth about marriage and why it’s not for the faint of heart. We challenge the fairy tale narratives, explore why real love often feels like a battle, and reveal what makes it all worth it. Whether you're in the trenches of commitment or preparing for the road ahead, this conversation will help you navigate the struggles and come out stronger.Are you a therapist or clergy? Upgrade your toolkit and earn 3.5 CE hours with our $99 course on providing ⁠ethical faith-informed therapy with Christian couples.