PODCAST · society
Two Writers Slinging Yang
by Jeff Pearlman
Jeff Pearlman's weekly in-depth, no-holds-barred conversation with a writer on writing. Available here and on iTunes
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Kevin Tankersley: Baylor University journalism professor and veteran writer
On how to teach writing in 2026. On whether bad scribes can become good scribes. On the legend of Biscuits O'Bryan. On why Waco should be your next vacation destination.
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Alan Shipnuck: Author, "Rory: The Heartache and Triumph of Golf's Most Human Superstar"
On writing a biography without the help of the protagonist. On living life in a tight sport with many bruised feelings. On whether people still understand reporting. On golf.
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Liz Cook: Kansas City-based food writer
On how influencers are corrupting reviews. On the joy of a delicious meal. On whether her city is corrupted by a celebrity restaurant. On Substack life.
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Charles Pierce: Esquire political blogger
On how the stupidity of this administration might save America. On the continued joy of the written word. On life at The National. On the awfulness of J.D. Vance.
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Mike Vaccaro: New York Post sports columnist and author, "The Bosses of the Bronx: The Endless Drama of the Yankees Under the House of Steinbrenner"
On digging deep into the mythology of the Steinbrenners and the Yankee dynasty. On whether George knew whereof he spoke. On the joys of newspaper writing in 2026.
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Thomas Harding: Colorado Rockies beat writer, MLB.com
On covering one of sport's least-significant franchises. On why baseball still excites him. On the joys of spring training. On a furious Memphis State men's basketball coach.
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Prince Grimes: USA Today/For The Win sports writer
On the impact gambling has on modern sports—and modern sports coverage; on rising from Walmart to ESPN to USA Today; on the wild nights and crazy days of Bristol, Conn.
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Tim Cowlishaw: Dallas Morning News sports columnist
On the golden days of covering the Dallas Cowboys. On the highs and lows of ESPN TV glory. On surviving in an unforgiving profession and showing up unannounced at Jimmy Johnson's home. On the demise of Skip Bayless.
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Steve Wulf: Former Sports Illustrated baseball writer; Original ESPN The Magazine big gun
On rising from covering horses in Florida to the Major Leagues for SI; on starting up ESPN The Magazine; on Michael Jordan and the issue that killed his relationship with a magazine; on writing a letter to a friend.
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Lia Assimakopoulos: Dallas Stars and SMU beat writer, Dallas Morning News
On the joys of covering an NHL team and the difficulty of not traveling on the beat. On the transition from college to a major newspaper. On what type of access hockey offers reporters in 2026.
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Luke Epplin: Author, "Moses and The Doctor: Two Men, One Championship and the Birth of Modern Basketball."
On the joys and complications of writing a book on a reclusive dead man and a highly exposed living one. On finally landing an interview with Julius Erving. On life inside a publishing house.
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Devon Henderson: Staff writer, The Athletic
On landing at The Athletic at age 22. On learning to be edited when it's not particularly fun. On avoiding career jealousy. On the benefits of Arizona State. On the saga of a young basketball phenom fighting back.
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Howard Bryant: Author, "Kings and Pawns: Jackie Robinson and Paul Robeson in America"
On what America misunderstands about Jackie Robinson and needs to understand about Paul Robeson. On what history can teach us about 2026 madness. On why the mythology of Branch Rickey is a departure from reality. On the modern approach to book PR.
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Terry McDonnell: Former Sports Illustrated, Us Weekly, Men's Journal, Rolling Stone editor
On working with many of the greatest writers of the past century. On coming to Sports Illustrated with no ties and lots of questions. On how he views a lifetime in print. On the joys of the written word.
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Victoria Zeller: Author, "One of the Boys"
On the responsibilities that come with life as a trans author trying to impact trans readers. On what her life experience brought to the page. On how she landed her first book deal.
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Erik Kramer Former NFL QB, author of "The Ultimate Comeback"
On attempting to take his own life with a gun—and living to tell. On the tragic loss of a son. On why Rodney Peete is cooler than Andre Ware and whether he could still throw NFL passes. On finding meaning in life.
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Kelsi Mayne: Fantastic on-the-rise country singer
On the step-by-step process of writing her new single, "For The Record." On what it means to make it in country music in 2025. On the impact of Eminem on her writing process. On writing for the Walmart shopper.
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Rob Marriott: Former editor/writer for XXL, Vibe, The Source
On the glory days of hip-hop media—and the decline. On what drew a young Rob to the genre. On writing about music when the creators aren't so happy. On the brutally honest CD review. On Tupac.
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Susan Orlean: New Yorker writer and author of the new memoir, "Joyride."
On the keys to capturing your own life via memoir. On why this multi-city book tour will likely be her last. On how it feels to have a book become a major motion picture. On turning 70 as a scribe.
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Christopher John Farley: Author, "Who Knows You By Heart"
On the terrifying AI path humanity has opted to stroll. On creating characters and giving them depth and voice. On how one comes up with an ending to a novel. On a career covering musical artists.
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Joshua Kusnick: Former MLB agent and current stand-up comic
On why he thrashed me on TikTok for months and months. On the highs and lows of athlete representation. On why certain baseball execs make him sick. On the joys and pains of social media.
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James Shippy: Audio book narrator and news reporter/anchor
On voicing "Only God Can Judge Me: The Many Lives of Tupac Shakur." On the changing nature of audio book recordings. On transition from acting to news television.
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Mark Medina: Longtime NBA writer/reporter
On the changing landscape of basketball media. On what life was like covering Kobe Bryant. On the highs and higher highs of USA Today. On whether there's a future for this industry.
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Mike Levin: United States Congressman
On how the decline of media has impacted political messaging and general news. On whether people should still have faith in America. On Speaker Mike Johnson and his steady diet of bullshit.
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Jim Geschke: Former San Diego Padres spokesman and co-author of Tony Gwynn's autobiography
On the wild, wacky, weird joy of working with the 1984 Padres. On how he was plucked to help write Tony Gwynn's autobiography. On the highs and lows of life in baseball.
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Jim Lampley: Legendary sports announcer, author of, "It Happened!: A Uniquely Lucky Life in Sports Television"
On the highs and lows of watching boxers live and die in the ring. On lessons learned from television. On the craziest boxer he's covered. On the old USFL.
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Michele Soulli: The world's greatest researcher/genealogist
On how she managed to track down Brenda's baby—and Brenda. On whether Ancestry is reliable. On how technology impacts family digging.
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Jeff Pearlman, author of "Only God Can Judge Me: The Many Lives of Tupac Shakur"
On why a sports writer would think himself worthy of chronicling Tupac Shakur. On the highs and lows and hardships of book reporting. On Tupac's amazing journey.
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Seth Wickersham: ESPN senior writer and author of "American Kings: A Biography of the Quarterback"
On whether the publication payoff is worth the grind of book reporting. On Warren Moon and Tom Brady and the dudes who throw balls very far. On deciding which superstars to cover.
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Bill Madden: Veteran New York Daily News scribe and author of, "Yankees, Typewriters, Scandals, and Cooperstown: A Baseball Memoir "
On what it was like to cover the Bronx Zoo Yankees of the 1970s. On Reggie and Billy and George. On what he learned from the legends of the business. On why baseball stopped being so fun.
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Jane Leavy, New York Times best-selling author of, "Make Me Commissioner: I Know What's Wrong with Baseball and How to Fix It"
On the pleasure/pain of the bookstore event. On why baseball seems so dull and listless; on meeting with the greats of the game; on living in book hell.
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Dan Wetzel: ESPN.com writer
On making the jump from Yahoo to ESPN after decades in one spot. On surviving as a top-shelf sports journalist in a hellish age. On the highs and lows and lows and highs of the gig. On early pizza-making days.
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Lulu Kesin: Greenville News' South Carolina women's basketball and football beat writer
On the similarities and differences between covering women's basketball and football at a major university. On life with Dawn Staley, and whether she would make a good NBA coach. On coming up in the modern era of adjusted journalistic dreams.
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Tony Mandarich: Former NFL offensive lineman and TikTok superstar
On how he made the transition from football to social media. On why he likes Donald Trump way, way, way more than I do. On whether it's OK to own past mistakes—and how to do so. On decency with those who disagree.
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Elizabeth Merrill: ESPN senior writer
On the details and doggedness of a lengthy look at the aftermath of the 1988 New Orleans Saints. On interviewing people after a tragedy. On life on the mid-2000s Kansas City Chiefs beat.
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Emily Adams: Hartford Courant beat writer, Connecticut Sun and UConn women's basketball
On the challenges and joys of covering the WNBA in 2025. On what it's like to cover a painfully bad team after always covering great ones. On the differences between Dawn Staley and Geno Auriemma
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Dick Friedman: Former Sports Illustrated senior editor
On the daunting task of line editing some of the all-time great sports writers. On how to improve a piece and how to back off. On the glory days of magazines. On covering Harvard football as an alum.
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Lizzy Wright: Co-Author, "Marinovich: Outside the Lines in Football, Art, and Addiction"
On what prompted her to write a book with. former football phenom Todd Marinovich. On how to capture the voice of another person. On what she's learned about the intricacies of the game from being married to an NFL veteran.
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Joseph Bien-Kahn: Senior editor, Esses Magazine
On throwing himself into the world of motor sports without having a PhD in motor sports. On whether media can be saved—and how. On chatting up Laurence Fishburne when Laurence Fishburne has been chatted up to death. On whether this biz is worth it.
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Julia Poe: Chicago Tribune Bulls and Sky beat writer
On covering an NBA team vs. a WNBA team. On the phenomenon of Angel Reese and the joy of DeMar DeRozan. On whether she knew what she was talking about back in college. On whether writing can be taught, or is strictly natural.
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Chris Hine: Minneapolis Star Tribune Wolves beat writer and Ant Edwards biographer
On how one writes a biography on a young superstar entering his prime. On the wild boredom of Las Vegas summer league. On Jimmy Butler and Karl-Anthony Towns. On working as an openly gay journalist in 2025 professional sports.
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Shehan Jeyarajah: CBS Sports College Football Wrtiter
On his spectacular 5,000-word deep dive into Texas Tech football and the power (and limitations) of NIL dough. On creating content in a confusing time for content creators. On whether the writing dream still lives. On a Sri Lankan dude covering college sports in the deep south.
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Sergio Olmos: Investigative reporter, CalMatters
On covering the Los Angeles ICE raids. On the legality and morality behind masked agents arresting brown men. On going from a 1.7 GPA to dropping out of community college to a career in journalism. On the (sustained) hope of America.
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Bob Ryan: Legendary former Boston Globe basketball writer and columnist
On how a 23-year-old kid out of New Jersey landed on the Celtics beat for the Globe. On battles with Tom Heinsohn, tragedy with Len Bias. On his time covering the Red Sox and Don Zimmer. On today's journalism landscape.
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Jeremy Lanuti: Lead singer, Mimicking Mars
On what it is to be a young singer/songwriter trying to make it in 2025. On writing about an ex-girlfriend without pissing her off. On whether a rocker's talent is truly no illusion.
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Chris Donnelly: Author, "Get Your Tokens Ready: The Late 1990s Road to the Subway Series"
On what draws him to chronicling the highs and lows of 1990s New York baseball. On why the 2000s Mets are more interesting than the 2000s Yankees. On the blissful joy of Dave Mlicki. On how he survives these awful times in America.
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Jonathan Eig: Author of the Pulitzer-winning, "King: A Life"
On how one wins a Pulitzer Prize. On the moment he learned of the victory. On the impact the Pulitzer has on a career.
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Bob Ley: Legendary ESPN SportsCenter, Outside the Lines host
On what he misses (and doesn't miss) from life in sports television. On Chris Berman and Stuart Scott and Rich Eisen. On how media has changed and what he thinks of 2025 journalism. On the highs of the World Cup and lows of a terrifying flight.
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Langston Collin Wilkins: University of Wisconsin folklore professor and author, "Welcome 2 Houston: Hip Hop Heritage in Hustle Town"
On the rise of Houston as a hip-hop powerhouse. On the impact of a rapper writing about his home turf. On whether students in 2025 feel the music they listen to. On teaching ... folklore.
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Dean Van Nguyen: Author: "Words for my Comrades: A Political History of Tupac Shakur."
On being based in Dublin and digging into American hip-hop. On how Tupac's world view was impacted by the Black Panthers. On the value of "Juice" and "Poetic Justice." On the greatness of Tupac's music.
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