Were We Lucky, or Were We Good?

Guest: Dan VeenhuizenWhat happens when highly trained avalanche professionals get caught in an avalanche of their own?  What were the factors that set them up to fail, and what were the good habits and practices that helped to mitigate the impact? ​Join us for a curious, humble examination of the lessons learned from this incident - and how we might apply these lessons in other aspects of our lives and outdoor adventures.  ​Were they lucky, or were they good?  Key TopicsDan’s personal avalanche accident story and the sequence of eventsHow terrain configuration and wind slabs contributed to the avalancheThe importance of probabilistic hazard assessment and recognizing changing conditionsThe role of heuristics such as social proof, confirmation bias, and familiarity in decision-makingGroup dynamics and the influence of expert familiarity on safety judgmentsStrategies for building safety routines: intentional checkpoints and debriefingThe value of modeling vulnerability and honest communication in safety cultureThe shift in avalanche education from terrain to decision-making and group psychologyConcepts of fail safe vs. fail safe design in outdoor risk managementContinuous learning and promoting a culture of sharing near misses and mistakesResources & LinksThe North American Avalanche Danger ScaleICSP Conference (International Snow Science Workshop)Ian McCammon and Sarah Boilen's work on field debriefsCanadian Avalanche Association CurriculumHeuristics and Decision Making in the Context of Avalanche Safety

What happens when a seemingly benign activity, one that has been done many times before, drifts into riskier terrain than usual? And how do some decisions and factors that occurred earlier on the program amplify the impact of this unexpected event?Join outdoor risk consultant and author Deb Ajango, who shares the story of an incident she was brought in to review with a school that experienced a snow shelter (quinzhee) collapse on some of their participants.What role did luck and other factors play in this unfortunate event?

In this episode, Norm Eckman shares his evolution in outdoor education, emphasizing the importance of focusing on what instructors can control—structure, presence, supervision, and involvement—to evaluate course success and prevent burnout. The discussion explores safety models, organizational learning, and the continuous pursuit of improvement in outdoor programs.See other episodes and share your story at www.luckyorgoodpodcast.com

Guest: Tamara WalkerA climber's terrifying solo climb down steep ice, and what she learned from this experience.Discover a deeply personal story of mountain climbing that explores the interplay of luck, skill, and psychological resilience.This episode offers valuable insights into managing fear, decision-making under pressure, and how past experiences shape our responses in high-stakes environments.Was she lucky, or was she good?