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EPISODE · Jun 10, 2025 · 58 MIN

002 | "On Stuckness and Getting Unstuckified" with my friend Gary Klein, LCSW

from The RelateGREAT! Podcast with Jonathan Sherman and Friends · host Jonathan Sherman

Episode NotesThis episode explores the idea that most mental and emotional issues boil down to feeling stuck. They share insights using anecdotes, metaphors, and humor while discussing basic cognitive-behavioral techniques to get 'unstuck.' They highlight the importance of distinguishing between self-worth and self-esteem, recognizing guilt versus shame, and the power of repetition in changing behaviors. The host and guest also entertain with a playful banter about outlandish ideas like selling P tubes and certificates to metaphorically and humorously address the concept of being stuck. In this lighthearted and informative episode, listeners are offered both laughter and practical advice on enhancing their mental health. Timestamps00:00 Introduction and Podcast Origins 01:14 Welcome to the Heavy Mental Hour 01:59 Understanding Stuckness in Therapy 04:55 The Concept of Certificates 11:00 Guilt vs. Shame 17:18 The Mechanics of Change 29:30 Visualizing the Problem 30:40 Changing Thoughts and Behaviors 31:02 Therapeutic Models and Their Evolution 31:50 Milton Erickson's Innovative Techniques 36:07 The Pee Pipe Story 44:27 Self-Worth vs. Self-Esteem 52:46 The Rarity of Human Life 55:33 Humor and Therapy 57:09 Conclusion and OuttakesHighlights:;-) Certificates: Abdication of Responsibility, etc.;-) Triangulation: The Wacky Therapy Game!3 Rules for GuiltGuilt vs. ShameBrain Mechanics: Our 3 Brains (thinking, emotional, primitive)CBTThe frozen locomotive100K repsWe are slow, social learners vs. instinctual knowledge (cp to Pepper’s puppies)The “Comma, Yet...”Drawing: The BoxSolution Focus vs. watering the weedsThe UmbrellaMilton Erickson and the "Pee Pipe" story here.Self-worth and self-esteem;-) Certificate of Self-EsteemThought-stopping;-) Product: Pee Pipe Kit;-) Glutton for Punishment CertificateReferenced Resources:Guest Blogger: Gary Klein on Stress & StucknessGary Klein, LCSW’s professional profile and contact info

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