007: Lew's Pipe Dream

Pedobite per second internet. Okay, so that's your pipe dream. Do you have any follow-up before we read into it? Um, let's see.

If you have to think about it in the sound. Yeah, there's no follow-up. All right, cool. So your pipe dream is one petabyte per second internet.

Or pet a bit, I guess I should say that. Yes, you're right, correction. But yes, that is my dream. Boss.

Why? Okay. I think that after a certain point, when it just be overkill? No.

Yeah. No. Totally. I mean, final sizes have forever gotten bigger.

So, what's the say that they're actually going to stop getting bigger? I mean, you don't think that in like 50 years, yeah, they're just going to be like 100 gigabyte movies and it's going to take a petabyte to download that movie. Because not only are you going to be downloading the movie, there's going to be like, oh, there's 40 animation in this movie. So my couch is going to hit me as I sit on the couch.

It's just all that extra data. Okay. So what are you going to hit you? What?

I mean, you'll have a butt kicker in your couch to like, you know, simulate it. So when I re-release Lord of the Rings and like 8k, you know, I'm actually kind of on board with with Lu on that one. Because I would love more than any other bit of technology in all the vast, you know, first world problems that we deal with. I want to live in a world where there is no buffering ever.

Yeah, I mean, beautiful. A zero buffer world. Yeah. So if it takes, you know, how would you say 100 petivists per second or something like that?

A petiv or second? Yeah. If it takes that where I never see buffering ever again, I'll take it. I mean, let's be fair here.

I mean, CPU's are going to need to like cross-wasting power. It's going to need to scale equally. Because otherwise you're not going to get rid of your buffering problem. I mean, if I just like hooked up my pipe drink to this computer right now, I don't think it would matter because at some point my computer just can't process every fast enough.

There's so much that even having all of that bandwidth, it's like, what are you going to do with it? How are you going to get it there? There's still a bunch of questions. I'm going to download the internet.

All of it. Exactly. All of it. Yeah.

All of the internet. Yeah. Lu, would you say you're a digital hoarder? No, I'm not a digital hoarder.

Wait, let's revisit that. That is follow up. Did you watch the hoarders episodes? No, I'm not.

I'm not a hoarder. I'm still. I fail so much because you're such a hoarder. Yeah.

That's why you want all this space. It's like, I just want all this space so I can fit more stuff there. But I don't use all this stuff I have right now. But I don't like it rid of all this stuff I have.

I just want more space so I can get more stuff. So I mean, this is just like the end of it. I swear. All right, I'm back, you guys.

Okay, cool. Okay. We're just talking about how it doesn't matter if you have a pet about internet if it goes out, you're still fucked. Oh man, I had to like turn off my Wi-Fi and turn it back on and, oh geez.

Wow. First world problems. Yeah. We were talking about lubing a hoarder and lose a hoarder.

So that's why he wants all this stuff. So the first step is to admit that you have a problem, Lou. Okay, I have a problem. You're happy?

Well, we have to leave it. The next step though. Yeah. And then yeah, the next step is to fix it.

Yeah, I won't be happy until you complete the program. Which is what? Delling everything? No, just learning to let go of things.

Learning that you don't need to store everything. And learning to know that you don't need more than what you have. I'm not even going to track this. Next bullet point in the outline.

Moving on, I guess. So, okay. I have here like, what is your pipe dream called? Awkward silence.

Lou? Yeah, I don't know. I don't really know. I'm still thinking, give me a second here.

Lou's pipe dream. I don't know. Just instantaneous internet. That's all I really want to get it.

That's all you want is instantaneous internet. I think you're talking about whole like, not really having computers or like computers and air quotes. How they would just download all of your stuff onto the computer like as soon as you log on. Yeah, I mean, at that point you don't really have computers.

You have like what systems or whatever you want to call it. I mean, I'm not going to have to do it. I'm going to have computers. You just, man, if everything is so quickly accessible over the internet like that, what we really need, like going back to what we're talking about last time, do we really need hard drive space?

Yeah, I mean, it's just sort of, it's basically like the 2050 version of a Chromebook that also runs in OS. You know, I mean, it doesn't even, but it doesn't, your Chromebook I think has like, you know, some small amount of local storage. It doesn't even have that. So it's like an ATM.

Yeah. I get it. Yeah. So it's an ATM internet machine.

But to kind of expand on that, Lou, you're talking about actually going a step further to where it's just everywhere. This is not something you just buy at your home. It's just abundant. Yeah.

I mean, I really want to be able to like go to work and I walk up to a machine and I either sign in with my home ID and my home ID signs me into my files that are personal and I sign back out and sign back into my work machine and all my work files are there. Or maybe I authenticate once and it's like, well, what's one do you want to log into? What do you think about like the idea of just free internet? Like it's just provided by, you know, the government.

I don't think we're far off from that. Oh, no, I hope we're far off from that. What are you talking about? Didn't you guys do the NSA?

Like all that stuff? Like the government doesn't need to regulate our internet. Like that's not a thing. I mean, I agree.

I don't think I didn't say regulate. I just said provide it. Okay. If they're going to provide it, do you think they're not going to regulate it?

Oh, oh, here's this free thing. Yeah. We won't look at it though. Don't worry.

Right. Do whatever you want with it. It's fine. Because who could we trust more than the government?

Oh, dear. I'm quoting the list. This query that you just have been around is so large that it's there forever to the process. Yeah.

You can't ever. If you can't trust your government, who can you trust? Other people. Like literally everyone else.

Like if a zombie apocalypse goes down, I'm not just in the government to fix it. They probably caused it. Okay. So in all seriousness now, if all of your data is somewhere out on the internet and you're signing to a terminal computer thing screen, whatever we're going to call this thing, where is it stored?

Are we just going to like make Iceland a big server farm or something like? Are we just picking some random place where we're going to like basically just build an infinite amount of computers so that we can store all the stuff? Well, if it's in one place, then that's going to be the target of every like attack ever. Yeah, that wouldn't be a smart thing.

Unless you put it in multiple places, but it's just like a raid. Could you imagine just a global raid drive of just these? Well, that's a cluster. Yeah.

You could cluster that shit out of it. Yeah, you would have to. I mean, there would need to be like a backup on the moon. Like that's how intense this is going to get because yeah, someone's just going to like bomb in.

Okay. Getting in the bomb the moon and then we get no more waves. Yeah, but at this point, at least like no one can get to the moon without being really, really, really rich. I mean, no, like human being is going to like invest, I think, enough money to just like blow up the moon so that they get rid of one of the clusters.

Dude, I think you underestimate the power of the people who hold like the top 10% of the income in the entire world. Like I think you underestimate that power. All right. Yeah, there are a lot of lunatics with a lot of money.

Yeah. Like having to ever watch a James Bond movie? I don't say the connection, but okay. All the villains are all like privately like rich people that made their money from like all these shell corporations.

And then there's that's like, you know, be noticed by the world and big, diabolical scheme to like either like melt the sun or like trigger San Andreas and like the false, you know, to get Silicon Valley to like fall into the earth, you know, that's an actual James Bond plot. So and seeing James Bond to like all the villains, they're not sure average run of the mill, rich. They're like, I have my own private country and they're completely off the grid type of rich. Yeah, man, that top 10%.

You know, all right. If you say so. So with all the cloud, not in one place and totally secured by passwords that are only eight digits. No, like you can you imagine what if we like just like minimum password requirement is like 128 characters, people would die.

Well, normal people would die. People with password managers would be like, hell yes. Like I've been waiting for the moment to move this slider all the way up to the 128 option. And now I actually have a reason to have like 128 and you have like three factor authentication.

You have to like authenticate on your phone and your tablet before you can even get in on the computer. That's not only two factors though. Really? I mean, you're, I guess, I guess so.

And retinal scan. Yeah, there you go. Fire metrics added in there. That's the other one.

Well, what if the, what if the, um, rather than the, the passcode just being like, like, is that eight digits or a word? What if it's like an actual has to be a sentence or something? Well, that's like, that's the best way to secure passwords now is make a sentence. Yeah.

I mean, that's something I think they tell you to do now is just like literally make a sentence and hyphenate where all the spaces would be. Well, not just that, but like hyphenate or capitalize and like add exclamation marks and in places and stuff like that and randomize it is what they say. Yeah. I guess that's a lot harder to hack for an algorithm than like one word.

So whatever. So, so today was, um, one of my tasks for this weekend was, um, a security audit for lack of a better word. And what that entails was like me logging into every website I've logged into where every stored password I have in the last like, that's older than a year and changing it. Oh my God.

It was such a pain in the butt. Why do you change them that often? Dude, holy cack. I mean, don't you, don't you even security bro?

Like they say change every six months and I'm like, no, yours sounds good. Not too. I'm like on the like two to three year life cycle here and, and I'm just okay with, you know what, you know what tells me though, is when you go through those security audits and you change your password and some websites like, yeah, we don't accept passwords longer than 16 characters and you're like, what the hell kind of security do you guys have? Well, I wrote those ones down and I'm going to write them a strongly worded letter in hand, by handwritten, like handwritten letter.

Or what about the ones that don't actually allow special characters like they don't want dollar signs. They don't want. Yeah, I'm from the American number one. It's so funny.

Yeah, it's like one of the most important ones. Don't like the bank. Yeah, like the bank is up. I'm pretty with the example.

I can remember this one vividly American Express like they wouldn't let me do. I think it was a special character and I was like, what the hell? Why can't I do a special character? It was something it was like special character or or capital or something weird.

It was like, are you kidding me? Anyway, terrible thing. Anyway, so back to my pipe dream. When the heck is this thing going to be here?

Anybody have any guesses on how soon we're going to see this? This is all you, man. This is your dream. Like when do you think it's going to be here?

I mean, in my dream would be here tomorrow morning, but in reality, I don't know. A petabyte per second, I think we're probably like 50. Yeah, I was going to say like 50 years from now or something like that. Yeah, that's why I'm at it's like 50 years from now.

But at that point, you know, like who knows? They might not even be measuring in bits. They'll be measuring something else. Well, because what I'm also thinking too is because like right now, that what we have is fiber fiber optics.

What is the maximum speed that fiber optics can handle? I think it's like theoretically a really, really, really large number. Because it's theoretically the speed of light. So it could technically handle a petabit per second.

I'm assuming if the data's compressed enough and you can send it over the wire and interpret it? Yes. Okay. But of course, nobody wants to be wired straight into fiber optics.

So we would also need to send that wirelessly. So petabit per second. There's going to be just these intense beams that are going like throughout our entire home. All right.

So a little bit of real time follow up. Some quick finger searching says it looks like in the terabits per second area, probably a couple hundred terabits is what it looks like the maximum would be over fiber. Okay. So we would need a whole new technology to handle a petabit.

We would if we're going to go to a petabit, correct. Okay. I mean, it's really interesting though, because I think I just heard something about a new technology coming out because I mean, Wi-Fi would have to go away because it'd be way too slow. Right.

And so I have recently, I read about something called Wi-Li, W-I-L-I, and it's like all through light that it does that. I don't exactly understand how it works, but it seems interesting because it may mean that we actually are able to, you know, transmit at the speed of light, I would assume. Yeah. Remember that where it's like you could take an image or something like that and transmit it via light or something?

See, that one would go through walls. Light can't go through walls. Well, you have a bunch of solar panels on your roof and that's like a repeater for what's inside your house. And then when you're outside, you're just living on the repeaters from other towers.

I don't understand how that answered my concern or address my concern. What I'm saying is like, if you have a, so say you have a router inside of your home, but it's not Wi-Fi, it's light. I mean, you would have to be in the same open room and say your computer in order for it to work. It can't be in a closet or something like that.

Well, but the one petabyte per second is for the, like the upload, right? That's for like the internet traffic. So we can get like internal speeds, like when you're pretty close to a router, like those can get pretty high pretty quick. And that's not like where the big lag is.

It's the lag is going out to the rest of the internet. So theoretically, like if you had a house that had all these panels on the top that absorb all this light and transferred it to internet or whatever, then inside you could repeat that to something else. That's fine. And then when you were out and about, there'd be like some giant data center, big tower, whatever that would collect all this and distribute it out.

Just like they have cell phone towers right now. I'm just curious though, is it possible with something like light? If light was the transmission source, is it possible that it could be converted into something out? I mean, for example, you can use electricity to basically then spread light in another area where there isn't currently light.

So is it possible that you could use light as an electricity in certain areas to just make a bunch of repeaters or do something like that? Anybody know? A little correction. I think it's not...

I think I said, why? I think it's Li-Fi, not... I think it's the other way around. Anyway, just another little bit of information.

I've had perplexed everybody. No. I'm just letting it soak. Just kind of...

I'm letting it absorb the Li-Fi thing going on here. Anyway, so it seems like everyone is kind of saying, Gerald, what did you say? How long do you think it's going to be here? A pet of it per second.

I think I agree with you guys. You said about 50 years, right? Yeah. Well, I've passed about 50 years.

I mean, I think another interesting point to bring up is we said this is going to be like a terminal or like some sort of thing you walk up to. Will the computer even look like that at 50 years from now? Or is it going to... I mean, obviously, I think we've kind of talked about this.

Things are changing and fast. So what will the computer look like in 50 years? Is it relieving it to be that? Or is it just going to be like, yeah, I just kind of have the entire internet in my head and somehow there's a chip that talks to a pet of it per second internet connection?

I think the computer will be like paper thin and the monitor will probably just be a projection. It wouldn't even be an actual screen anymore. I think we talked about that too. How like, you know, the wearables was like one step towards implantables.

And that's going to be the next thing is like people setting up the surgery to get something implanted and then it's going to like give them all this data and access to everything. So I think that's what's going to be like, you'll have something implanted in you that is able to serve up this information and either project it like directly to your brain or something like that now. Is that 50 years out? Uh, probably not, but I can see that like being what computers are moving towards.

I think it's fair to say things are going to change a lot and we're not entirely sure what that's going to look like, but it's definitely not going to be kind of what we know today. But right. So Adam, what other questions do you have against my, uh, pythream? Well, other than the fact that, you know, it's all still theoretical.

In thinking about like what it's going to be, like, who knows how things are going to turn out, but like I'm curious, I guess it's to like what, what your pricing would be? Like what was something like this? Like is this going to be something everyone can afford? Is it going to be something only the elite can afford?

I mean, like we talked about last time, you know how like the self-driving car will be probably out of like most people's price points to start, but like eventually, you know, self-driving car will be just the mainstream thing. Do you think this is going to be like the same thing? It's going to start out as like super, super expensive or is it going to be something that the government subsidizes and just monitors everyone with or what's going to look like? Pricing, I mean, I tend to think it's going to be similar to what we talked about last time.

You know, where it'll be expensive at first and only for the rich and it'll make its way to the masses slowly. I mean, I think, you know, what we've got, take a bit per second connections now in certain areas, not mainstream, but in those areas, I mean, it's fairly actually inexpensive today. It's kind of getting surprising how cheap that is. So I think, you know, it'll be kind of like that.

I mean, when we first heard of gigabit per second internet connections like five or 10 years ago, it was like maybe five years ago, I heard of that for the first time and I was like, wow, that's crazy. And I had this thought, you know, it'd be just a monstrous amount and only certain people would use it. But, you know, now it's actually pretty inexpensive. You know, I think we're looking at it kind of backwards here because if we really look at history and how technology is progressed, it's developed based off of a need.

So for instance, like graphics cards, you know, graphics cards has progressed or advanced based off of the needs of like games that have come out for it and things like that. So I think what it's going to really come down to is that this type of technology or these types of speeds will come from a need to have them. So whether it's like we were talking about earlier, super, super high resolution video content, crazy large files, things like that. And then from there, it will be something that is going to be necessary.

I mean, I think you've got a point there. And I mean, I think, you know, I mean, a lot of things to arrive from like military, like, you know, I mean, you said that there was a need like GPS or something like that. So, you know, I mean, it's very possible that some sort of government contractor or something like that requires this and then it comes to the masses after. Right.

Right. So like what I'm saying is like, when do you see files getting so large to where we need a petabit per second? And what kind of files will we be looking at? Just videos?

Just, you know, 10K videos streaming or what would, you know, what would be what we're looking at to be necessary? Yeah. I mean, I don't really know. I don't know how big files are going to have to get that it's going to require that.

I mean, I certainly would say that files are going to have to be well past, I think, a terabyte for it to require that. But what kind of files are we looking at? You know, is our, you know, is it going to be instead of us, you know, do we just, instead of operating systems running off of our computer? Is it just being ran off of the internet or?

Yeah. I mean, obviously if we're running an operating system, I think it's something that's going to take, you know, that amount of bandwidth. I mean, I don't really, I don't really know how much bandwidth it's going to take to run an OS. Well, like, if you think of like what they have a virtualization right now, it's a pretty thing client that runs like just the shell to get things running.

And then if you're downloading everything, you can probably have another computer off-site doing all of the work for you. And then you're just downloading like a screen, right? You're just getting updates to a screen. You're not doing any like physical computing power.

You're just sitting there and receiving this information like, hey, draw the screen, hey, draw the screen, hey, draw the screen. That's all you have to, you know, interpret. So theoretically, that can be pretty, pretty low-tech, pretty, pretty space efficient, pretty speed efficient and have like cloud computing, right? Do the rest of the work for you.

Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's interesting. I mean, it seems like files are going to have to get pretty big though. I mean, and I don't exactly know that we know what those files are going to be that are going to be that big.

I mean, there was a time when, I mean, I remember you getting your first digital camera and I think that thing was like 1.5 megapixel or something, you know, we're rather mean something like today, I mean, what a high-end Nikon camera, you know, DSLR or something like that is probably what 80 megapixels or 70 megapixels. Like things like that at that time were just like unfathomable and. Oh, yeah, they would take you like weeks to download back then. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's just a little crazy to even start to think about something like that.

I mean, I can't even imagine. So, I mean, I think it's something that, you know, we're going to have to have files that are huge. And like I said about the living room experience, there may be a day where you're living room, you know, you're so fun, things like interact with you or actually provide a more immersive experience. And that's when I think it's going to kind of get the file sizes and things that are going to get a lot bigger because you're not only downloading video, but you're maybe downloading like light and like, and, you know, extra sound packs and maybe a movement in with that or something like that.

That's stuff. All those extra files are going to require a lot more. So you have to beef up the compression algorithms, right? Like the in-out method, you know, like if you're checking out two guys at the same time, everything.

Oh, dear God. Gerald, have you watched Silicon Valley? No. Oh, okay.

I'm going to go to the reference then. Don't think I was actually talking about the jerking out two guys at the same time. Okay. Just take it as a reference.

Oh, okay. Sure thing. It's okay. I'm married.

Remember? Like it's good. Son of a bitch. Well, but yeah, I mean, I mean, another point I think to be made here is that when we think about like what sort of hardware we'll need to even get this done, I mean, I think I at least at first I start thinking like, oh my God, we're just literally going to need like, it's just going to come down to like RAM.

How much RAM can you actually have? Because I mean, that's going to be a limiting factor is like, how much can I actually have open at one time? Because like in theory, get whatever I need as fast as I want it. If I have like infinite RAM, I can just leave it all open right now.

I mean, it seems lofty, but a lot of fun too. Adam, come on. You got to be behind me on this one. Mr.

I leave everything open. Well, yeah, I leave everything open. But I mean, I think having a lot of RAM is great. But when you don't have to process anything or you don't have to really page anything, right?

You're just getting all your information from the cloud. Like you don't need a lot of a lot of local storage or local anything. You know, if you terminal into a computer that application that even just shows you the screen isn't using a ton of memory, isn't using a ton of whatever, it's just, you know. So are you just saying you're going to rely on the fact that you can like basically, like today, we call it swap, you know, you can swap to the disk all the time.

In this case, you're going to be like swapping to the cloud all the time. So you're not really that worried about it. Well, if you got a petabyte per second internet, then yeah, you don't want to worry about it. Fair point.

Fair point. So you're just going to constantly swap to the cloud and the latency will be so quick that you won't ever have a problem. It'll just be screen sharing to your terminal in the cloud. That's it.

Yeah. But then we also have to be looking at what are the file sizes at this point, because that sounds great and convenient if the files that we're, you know, sending to the cloud are the size they are today for a pet a bit per second. But if it's a again, going to that idea that the technology will kind of progress as we need it. So if we get to a petabyte per second internet speeds, that means we're probably doing files that are what a 10 petabytes, 50 petabytes in size.

Well, but the compression will be so much better by then too, that you'll be able to compress that, send it over to the wire and decompress it in an efficient and quick manner. It will be or you're hoping it will be? No. Well, even if you're sharing a screen, like you don't have to send giant files that way because you're just sending them through the wire to another, you know, terminal computer that's probably close by if it's we're talking about this cloud solution.

I mean, you're just sending a screen to this terminal. You don't really need to do anything. Yeah. I mean, it'd be interesting to see where streaming goes as well, because I mean, here we're sitting about talking about this, you know, one pet a bit per second internet connection.

And I get Gerald's point here is like, Hey, these files are going to be giant. But at the same time, you know, if we look at where streaming is today, and you know, you're streaming a 50 petabyte movie via Netflix, but now Netflix also offers like lighting in your subscription. Like, yeah, it's possible that that could just stream correctly, you know, and all that stuff just works. You know, it's it's going to be curious to see if I guess Moore's law or whatever continues to double for like file sizes at the same rate as our connection speeds go up, or if that'll actually trail off at some point.

Yeah. I don't know. This is your dream. So hopefully it comes through someday and then you can download all of the whatever you want to download onto your cloud storage that you have infinite amounts of so you can just be a digital hoarder in the cloud.

I mean, it'll just that's the thing though. I won't really need to download it because I'll have a pipe dream. So it'll just be there whenever I need it. Well, you're gonna you're gonna hoard something.

Then it'll just be bookmarks to all that stuff. Yeah, it'll just be the ability to say, Hey, queue that up. Yeah, your key will be like huge and you're like, why do you have so much stuff? And you're getting like, Oh, well, I'll get to it someday.

Like, well, why don't you just delete some stuff? Like, no, no, no, I'll get to it someday. It's important for it to be there. I need all of this.

I need everything. All of this that's in here, I need it. Oh boy. Your homework is to watch orders.

Just please watch one episode. I think I've seen one episode. It's been a long time. It's probably been like five years.

Okay, so watch the episode and then just ask yourself, like, what if this was me and what if this was computer files? Like when the therapist is talking to the person but not looking at the camera, just pretend they're looking at you and pretend that they're talking about files instead of garbage. Oh boy. A common place.

I see this a lot, especially as like with people's photos. You know, you'll look through some like a photo library of, you know, 90,000 pictures and you're like, okay, well, there's about eight of the same picture here and six of them are not even in focus. So, No, I need those. Yeah.

I need them. No, I can't get rid of them. I need them. Okay.

All right, then. You know, this one, your finger is covering over the lens. No, but it's a really good picture. Yeah.

It was the first time I caught it, that person smiling and but you can't even see it. But yeah, but maybe, you know, technology will advance and I can crop that out. Maybe one day I'll be able to remove my finger from the picture. No, I don't really feel like I have an affinity with pictures at all.

I mean, I have I have 7,700 photos and I would say about two or three times a week, I go through the photos and delete them all or delete like, no, delete them all delete the like last like, you know, of the last 15 I've taken, I go and like, all right, I need a I only need like one or two of these because a lot of them were, you know, accidental or like, or just needed it for like one quick thing. So I'm done a lot better with photos than I am without things. Oh, yeah. So you're probably not with photos, but it's without other things.

That's fine. So, so with all your photos or all of your other crap, whatever you want to call it, since that's all in the cloud and we already talked about like us bombing Iceland, you know, I like that it's on Iceland too, you know, because like, natural cooling, you know, it's cold up there. Yeah, I mean, that's why I also put it on the moon. Like we want to let's also let's also melt the polar ice caps even faster, you know, with all these servers that we're gonna put up there.

That's smart. Yay, America, yay, environment, yay, you know, water world. You just tell the polar bears find any place because they don't really think they live in Iceland at all. It's not the polar bears, man.

I'm concerned about us. Didn't you see the movie water world? No, I did not. With Kevin Costner?

You see that? You know, it's a movie? It's classic. Yeah, you don't watch movies at all.

I'm really sad. I don't movie. Haven't you guys forget the sound of all? No, I know.

It's depressing. Hold on. How many movies do you own on your computer, Lou? Do I own?

How many movies do you have stored on your computer or your Drobo or your external drive? Like, I don't know, 1,200 or something. How many have you watched? Probably like less than 10.

That's hoarding, Lou. That's hoarding. That is literally the textbook definition of hoarding. It's for me.

It's for other people. It literally is. Oh, yeah. No, it's for the family.

There's this one episode of Hoarders where she's not hoarding for herself. She's hoarding for the people who have been watching Hoarders. It's always one of them. It's a fascinating show.

It's amazing. It's like you actually have someone tech in time in your life. I don't understand how people have time to watch stuff. No, you have to feel like some parts of joy in your life.

You know, and one of the joys I have is watching Hoarders. He gives me a strange illustration from that sad, sick little person. Because you're like, hey, I'm not doing too bad. You know, what does this mean?

Exactly. It's like, this is the, you know, this is the, you know, this is my forget this bad, then I know I'm going downhill. But then you have this strange motivation to clean your entire house after you watch an episode. And that's all for real.

For real, you do. Oh my God. So anyway, you've only asked after like working with me for like an hour tonight, are you going to like clean your hard drive? I'll tell you this is I will probably run like a disc optimization thing and just make sure that my trash is empty and stuff because yeah.

But no, it just makes me sad that you don't watch. You don't watch movies. So you don't get like some of the references that I'm making. Oh, yeah.

And you haven't watched like, it's not just you haven't watched movies. You haven't watched like the classic movies. Like movies that, that have probably influenced movies that you've watched recently, but you just don't realize it or they'll make a reference to something and everyone laughs and you're saying like, why was that so funny? But then everyone else knows what it is, but you don't because you didn't watch the movie that they were talking about.

I don't know. I just get bored easily, like really easily in a movie. What can I say? Are you paying attention to the movie?

Not usually, no, because my mind's thinking about something else. Of course you're bored because you're not even paying attention. You're the worst. I'm glad that we never go to the movies together because like you would probably be the one like asking me questions like halfway through like, Hey, what's that guys talking about?

Oh, just shut the fuck up. Well, no, I won't ask questions in a movie. No, I definitely won't do that. But I'm like the worst, like at home.

Like if I'm at home, I'll just like get up and walk away. Like someone's like, if the family's like, Hey, let's sit down and watch a movie. I'll be the one that's either like on my phone the entire movie or I'll walk away. You're the worst human being alive family time.

Let's watch a family movie together. We can also enjoy this and you're like, I'm gonna watch a little something on my phone or I'm gonna get up and just leave. Yeah, I'm terrible. I'm sorry.

You're a horrible human being, but you already knew that. Yeah, at least I got admitted. Well, that's first step. That's first step.

All right, so back to what we were talking about. This episode has gone everywhere. But the direction it was intended to go. Physical attacks, like like terrorism, things like that.

We talked about that a little bit, but obviously there's other types of things that can go on. You know, like viruses and they are like worms. In this case, I think worms is the more important thing because they can like spread. So that could be interesting with a whole cloud.

I mean, if all of a sudden one of the data center she races, that's kind of a problem. Or if one of them, you know, uses an eight character password. Yeah, I mean, maybe the system administrator should use a little bit more than a eight character password. Now, man, they'll have robots being run on that.

She is, you know that the password to the robot is just admin admin. Yeah, they better build them at manual off switch. That's my rule with robots. As long as someone can turn them off, we're good.

You're just like run up to the robot and hit the off switch is I what it is? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

It has to be physical. It's not like a software switch. Not like, oh, no, they can be programmed. Oh, no, it's disabled the off switch.

No, no, no. It's a hard button that just cuts power. That's what every person every, every movie that's gone wrong with the robots ever built, they never put in a power switch. There was never like a little on off button like on the bottom next to the batteries, where we're like, Oh, no, off.

This is true. Right. And they're like, okay, well, they run solar bars. Okay, cool.

But there's a disconnect, a hard disconnect from the solar energy to the rest of the working parts of the robot. And as long as you tap that little button or flip those which everything turns off a little fail safe. Oh, man, Terminator would never have happened if I was designing robots. Yeah, but see the thing about that, Lou, just like human beings, you know, when they become self aware, they become self aware of their flaws.

So the first thing I would think a self aware robot would do would be like, okay, how can I make it to where this is not easily accessible? They'll put it up in like someplace you don't want to like reach you're like, Oh, no, I don't want to go there. Well, it's kind of like if you were if you were going into a battle, you're like, okay, as a human being, I'm aware that I can die by getting shot in the chest or the head. So what can I do to not get be so vulnerable in my chest and in my head?

I don't know, maybe wear a bulletproof vest. I don't want to helmet. Oh, I don't know, maybe surround yourself in a giant tank. So as long as as that switches there, as long as it's still there, I'm happy.

There's still a way to get to it. I don't care how hard it is, but it doesn't do any good if you can't get to it, though. Well, there's always a way life finds a way. All right, Dr.

Malcolm. Yeah, I'll do the 10 hour that ha ha ha ha ha ha. And once again, I'm lost. Oh, geez, this is the worst, worst ever.

The whole internet would be like yelling at you right now. I mean, and that's not even like, that's not even just a movie. One, that's like a general reference that the internet makes all the time to you. So this shows that you stuck at what movie watching and internet.

Lou, you have you have homework that you need to do, buddy. Yeah, like we just need to take a week off like you just need to take a vacation and all you're gonna do is like catch up on movies and references like, you know, IMDB has a like top 100 movies of all time. Just go through that list, start, start there with all of those. I think I just, I like the thing is, is like, you could show me these things though.

I would just kind of walk away like, okay, so I get it now, but what, okay, I don't really think I would use them. So they're just lost. They're lost on me. Oh yeah, because your brain is just filled with all of this useful stuff.

No, I think it's just like, I'm just constantly like, not concerned with watching stuff. I think part of it is I haven't actually had cable in like five years. There's no attraction to watch the TV or turn on the TV really. Well, the TV has commercials.

We're not talking about things with commercials. Like even like movies though, like I mean, I've had access to movies and, and I don't watch them. Like, that's the reason I cancel Netflix and don't use it. And like, one month out of the year, I maybe have Netflix to watch whatever I haven't watched in the last year.

And then I cancel which the great part about that is that they always send you those emails and are like, hey, two weeks for free or one month for free. So every once in a while, I just get a month for free and then I'm good. And then they probably hate me because I just cancel again. Yeah, you make me sad.

Yeah, sorry. So super worms will eat all your data if it's stored in the cloud? Oh, that's exciting. I mean, the whole cloud will melt down at one time.

Yeah. Hopefully the government has their cloud towards somewhere else. If the government has it then their track record right now is not the greatest. Yeah, I guess that's true.

Anyway, so does anybody have any final thoughts for this sort of petabyte per second internet connection? No one even excited for it besides me? I think you are. Yeah, mine's an obvious.

My final thoughts is as simple as this. I want to live in a world where nothing ever buffers. I want to, I want the illusion that everything exists on my computer without actually existing on my computer. I wanted to start showing something without me even having to do anything.

I want you to know what I'm going to do and then pre-buffer and do it. Oh, like if you're at work and you're like, you know what? When I go home, I think I want to watch, I don't know, Beauty and the Beast. And it's just already buffered and downloaded and ready waiting for you.

It just knows. Yeah, I just want things to be like, I know what you want to do. And I'm just making it easier to do that. So I mean, the one that I'm ever second, I guess I'm pretty patient right now.

So like waiting a couple seconds or something isn't like the end of the world for me. I mean, it gives me time to think about something else, you know, or like catch up because when things are happening so fast that I don't even have time to process like what's happening or the actions that are going on. I feel like I'm just going to be like, Oh God, I asked this to play already and I'm like, I wasn't ready. I wanted to make my popcorn first.

So I think it'll be, it'll be nice when things are instantaneous. But I'm looking forward to the gradual move up to that to get ready for it rather than just like dreaming and then waking up the next day and having it happen. I just think that would be a rough transition for me. Interesting.

Yeah, that'd be interesting. I don't know that I want things to pre-queue things though because that's just a little odd to me. Well, because you hoard stuff. So it wouldn't be able to store it long enough for you to use it.

I really want to download that one movie. Oh crap, it's already downloaded. And then as soon as you think about something else, like, Oh, okay, well he doesn't need this anymore. Like, no, I wanted to watch that later.

Why'd you get rid of that? I still wanted to watch it. Just not right now. I was going to get to it sometime.

I wonder if there's going to ever come to a point like what is going to happen with human beings when we just have run out of things to complain about? Oh, I'll always find something to complain about. You know that about me. Like something.

Like even if we have technology that can predict what we want before we know that we want it and we'll still find something to complain about. Yeah, I don't want robots looking into my brain and knowing what I want. I know what I want. No one can tell me what I want.

Yeah, Adam will always complain. That's for damn sure. That's the true statement. Cheet off my lawn.

Otherwise you guys are just going to agree about everything. Like, yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah, that sounds good.

No, not everything sounds good. That sounds bad. Oh gosh. Hey, I'm older than all of you.

So I get to pull that senior already card. Like when we're in the retirement home together, you know, I'm going to get like the preferred treatment because I'm the oldest and they know like I'm going to go before you guys do. It's like, oh, we'll give extra attention to Mr. Adam over here.

I, Gerald and Lou, they can just sit in their corner. When we are in the retirement home together and you have a walker and I have a cane still, I'm going to just like punch you in the hip with my cane and say, you know what, I'm going to I'm going to hoard all the movies I want to hoard. Your room's going to be filled with memorabilia from like the good old days. My room's going to have like, you know, like a plastic cup in the corner or something like that.

Like nothing useful, just like garbage. Oh gosh. That's okay. We'll get along in the retirement home.

I hope that's not something we have to worry about, but just promise me that you guys know. All of my body parts will be bionic. So I'll be in the same shape and situation as I am now. So I don't know what's wrong with all you guys.

Okay, sure, Gerald. Sure. We'll see. Then you're not even you anymore.

Here's something else. How about this? How about we make like a bet that we come back to in 80 years. So I, you know, if everything's robotic in 80 years, I'm fairly sure I'm not going to be here.

Dude, modern medicine, man. Don't never say never. I didn't say never. I'm sure that you stay around.

Oh geez. Okay. I might own your medical bills. Yeah, I'm pretty on board with this now.

I'm fairly certain I can eat McDonald's for the rest of my life. But I have a heart attack. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing.

All I said is that I will make sure that you don't die. I didn't say that you're going to live comfortably. So keep that in mind. Oh, he's got 97% pocket.

Keep going. Every time you start slipping away, I'm just going to just adrenaline shot straight to the heart. Oh, you guys have a lot to talk about. You like that scene in Pulp Fiction, which is probably a movie you have not seen.

I've not seen it. Oh my god. Oh, no. Oh gosh.

Ooma Thurman. Oh, Dean on the floor adrenaline shot straight to her heart. Oh gosh, it's like a classic scene. Yes, it is.

I'm so sad. Like I'm crying on the inside right now. You don't even have to see the whole movie. Just look up that scene like YouTube that scene.

No, he has to watch the whole movie. He does. But if you could just see that scene so you can understand. No, let him watch the whole movie.

He's got, but you know, he's not going to watch the whole movie. Let's take that. So like if I had to watch the whole movie or even the scenes from all these movies that I need to see stuff, I was like, I would spend the next year of my life. No, it'll be like a week or a month.