Breakfast Cereal is a podcast about the podcast cereal, featuring Katya Delgado, Matt Jackson, the Jar Sykes, and Manuel Lubinas. Each week, we'll get together for Breakfast and discuss the previous episode of the podcast cereal. Hey, this is Matt. And Katya.
This morning on our Breakfast Cereal podcast, since the new episode of Cereal doesn't come out until tomorrow, we are going to discuss the jinx, the life and deaths of Robert Durk's. This aired on HBO about a year ago in February, March 2015, and it was a very exciting docu-series, so we're gonna talk about that today, and I hope you guys enjoy it. The highlight of the evening was the Manny Petty. Yeah.
But not at the lot. Not at the lot. Why didn't you get a Manny Petty at the lot? I was trying to, but they don't offer these kind of services.
That seems a missed opportunity for them. Definitely missed opportunity. There's a huge market for it. I could do research for them.
I wonder if there's something about the dust that comes from the lot, like there's dust out there, right? Because it's like open air in the back. But you can make it like the hip new thing, right? Where do you get like little flicks of dust?
3D manicure. Why is it 3D? It's always 3D, right? Everything's in 3D.
Technically. But the secret ingredient is always words. I got it. I got it.
Like, extension migrating. Exaggerment and back pain is exactly the same ingredients. The only magic is words. You can turn any pill into a back pain pill just by adding.
And if you do your research, which you love to do apparently, and you find that people are willing to pay more for a headache medicine, a back medicine, then you simply charge more for the headache version. Absolutely. What are the... What are the...
What's that? When do you want to know? When do you want to know? I'm confused now.
Alright. Check this out. I didn't know you spoke German. You're done.
So we just like we're on a real show. Standing up. Hello, is this a jar? This is Matt Jackson with the Breakfast Zero Podcast.
How are you this morning? Great. Am I on air? You're...
Well, not live per se. You can say one tape. Later today, right? I can't say you're on tape because there's no actual tape involved.
I think that's your technical. We're talking and it's being recorded. You're being digitally committed to magnetic little pieces of stuff. You have your breakfast ready?
Are you eating breakfast in the car? No. And well, reunited with Mary this morning. That's good.
Oh my god. I'm sure it was beautiful. Katia stayed up well past 10-30 last night. Well past.
Yay. So it's a coffee kind of thing. So it's a coffee day for her and I have delicious apple jacks. Care to see if my daughter picks the best cereal.
But also she likes to mix it up. Right? She likes to get a little cereal. It's just a cup.
With a lid on it. It's not a... What's your whiskey cup? Sure, yeah.
Alright, it's my favorite purpose. I feel like we just take a picture of this cup and show it to her. Yeah. With an ear.
Yeah. I'll do that today. I'll have that to the podcast speed. All four of them.
I'm sure they'll want to see it. Yeah, no. I mean, it's getting better. So I did sign us up for getting some sponsors.
Okay. I wasn't going to say anything. I'm just going to keep all the money. But then I realized it's only like 19 cents per thousand listeners.
It's not really going to be worth it for me to pull one over on you guys. I mean, if it was going to be a lot of money, then I wouldn't have said a word. And it would have just disappeared and you guys would never have known. No, I want like 4.25 cents.
All right. Yeah. Well, we got to get to that thousand listeners. Everybody's going to do their part.
Yeah. And then the other thing. The other thing was, I hope Manuel, you finished the show. Yes.
And Hijar has finished. I know she watched the first episode or the last episode early on, which kind of was a spoiler. But holy wow. Holy wow.
Yeah. So of course we're talking about the jinx and all the people that Robert Durst murdered. No. I like your name.
Oh, no, no. Okay. So that is to be put in a plea of guilty for a handgun possession charge in New Orleans, which will then allow him to stay in jail for like six months and be transitioned to California, where he can then be. A rainous.
We'll call it that. We'll call it a rain. We'll call it a kenneled. And if you want to go back to something.
I don't think so. I don't think it applies to dogs. I can't find children. Okay.
Are you not? Is that not a thing? I think you got a pucky manual instead of thinking. Do you create them at night?
Like, okay. You're great. And then they go, is that what I'm supposed to do? Yeah.
And then I might have gotten the wrong book, then wrong handbook. So sir, kids, just didn't know I'll, I'll get your credit out. Two real beds to some time legally has not been correct in the gun charge in the murder charge. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's only 40% because let's look at the evidence. Right.
So I was looking at that. Like, well, you know, the what is really different from last time when they when they prosecute him last night, and he was about the, what's the environment? So because in California, I don't think the guys ever investigated anything. They only have that this letter allegedly with his writing, but don't tell me, like, I was shocked.
He's like, he never had any other writing. People never check any other writing from him. And this is like the best discovery ever. What kind of evidence is lame evidence?
I don't think that you can, like how come the police didn't check anything? There is no like polygraphic test to figure out what's his writing or something. But Gala's done police on the other hand, followed all the procedures. Yeah.
It was so refreshing. Yeah. To see that they actually followed procedures. Yeah.
How do we have one? I think I'm so confused about the Galveston murder because any technically he went somewhat proven guilty. I mean, he did kill the guy, but it was self-defense, right? Right.
So the charge was first degree murder. Right. Okay. So here's the thing too, on the case in Galveston, again, after watching Stephen Avery's case where they rolled up three charges to him, they rolled up murder, dismembering a body and the hand gun thing.
The gun thing. Stephen Avery's side. I'm saying. Yeah.
Yeah. So they had a few charges on Stephen Avery. Why did they only go with the one on Robert Durst in Galveston? They went straight from murder, didn't try to do any of the other ones.
Right. And so what happened was he comes out and says, well, yes, I mean, he died with the gun that was mine and it was because of the little altercation we had. And then I was scared to chop his body up. Excellently.
Yeah. No, I purposely did it, but I didn't know what else to do. I mean, in the realm, I like it. People do crazy things.
So you could say, okay. Yeah. I've been on the floor. Yeah.
Sounds like it was right. So Janine Perot, defense. She was prosecuted him. Okay.
Totally. I come out of friendly to me. It's like, oh my God. It's just exuberant.
I think to me. That's kind of the description. I love it. I mean, the thing that I liked about what the defense did in Galveston was they said this Janine Perot was trying to forward her career politically based on this guy, but she's not in a lie.
Yeah. We bought any of that evidence. Oh man. When the prosecuting attorney said when they got him, when they were talking to when they put ruptors on the stand in Galveston and he said he was dressing up like a woman and the jurors all laughed.
And that prosecutor was like, oh man, they are doing that. He's charming. Well, we talked about you. What?
Chat me in there. So Robert does check checks out all the next episode of The Bachelor. The Bachelor. Not gonna hit many women.
Why not? That poor woman. I feel bad for Ashley Forrester because last, you know, she said, Steve, maybe he's had more in prison. Robert Ors had more women.
Yeah. I feel married to him after he knew about Kathy. Yeah. But he also had many hairstyles that I think we need actually super thorough opinion on.
Yeah. We should have brought her. Yeah. Yeah.
He's like a psychopath around. Somebody cuts his obviously. This guy drives like a psychopath. Right.
There's an actual definition of a psychopath in the DMS which is a psychiatrist reference. And Robert checks out all the tick marks. He has the superficial charm. He has the grandiose self-worth.
He stays better than other people. Right. He's a pathological liar. He is manipulative.
He experiences more and more social emotions. He's like me. He speaks in third person. You know, I'm describing everybody as well.
That is a lot. Life like that. We're behavioral controls. I mean, he's textbook psychopath.
Yeah. I don't know if they talked about this in the last three episodes. I never got to them. But they talked about the letter that was written by a psycho.
I don't know if it was a psycho. It's like, oh, it is about Robert Durst when he was growing up and how they decide exactly how the child is extremely disturbed based on things that he did as a child. And pretty much predicted his behavior as an adult that's be, you know, unstable, the, you know, tendencies and things like that. Did he talk about that at all?
I wish they talked about him right about his relationship with his father. Yeah. Yeah. And he's famously displayed on the internet.
I fell asleep during episode two. Thank you. So they discuss it during episode two. I missed it.
Did you get to the point where he's dad walking home? I'm sorry. Oh my God. That's you see his mother sneezing and I get on the roof.
And she say, Hello, mommy. Hello, and he told me that that's what happened. And I gathered as much from the intro, but it's where it shows the mom. The other thing that is like it's gotta go downhill from there for him.
Like to me, that's probably something. Taught him up. Totally mess him up. Because if you were to go give a reason why he killed all these people because you know, actually potential accusations of other people being killed.
bought him Vermont in 1971, some other lady in 1997, who knows. But what is interesting to me is that after his seven-year-old see his mother jumping and then describe how he went to the funeral, that's just like, after that, I think. It could destroy a kid's ability to realize that death is real, almost, right? And that he doesn't have a connection with the idea of the difference between alive and dead.
And so it means nothing to him. For the family, like, how is his father, right? Maybe he has this parasite intentionally. Really, there's a lot of hate and rage against the father.
And the fact that he's stronger, so all of a sudden, he's super-posing that to women, who he gets interactions with. That's my brilliant explanation. If we're going to go and think like, oh, and now, if it's Matt, you started really well. Like, your theory of death and alive and health, it's hard, probably, for him to make the distinction between the two.
Or there's no difference between being alive and being dead. I talked to him while I had a psych conversation yesterday, and we didn't include you, because you weren't there. So we talked about daddy issues and edibles to me. So you talk about daddy issues when I'm not there?
Is that what you guys do? You have a lot to contribute to the daddy issues. Because you literally leave me out, because you feel like either I have daddy issues or I'm causing them? Don't care if the response to that question.
My concern is that he probably has never gone through a full edibles and understood the place of a mother and his life, and the balance of a regular childhood. And that completely throws off your life, and the balance, and everything you do. It explains a lot, but at the same time, his brother is three years younger than him, and virtually no major issues. So it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
His brother has covered everything up, and no feelings toward the family. But do you feel like Robert is the black sheep of the family, and he feels slayed, and he feels like he deserves more? If it's rejected by everybody in the family. And they swing them under the road?
Yeah, exactly. Only the other nephew speaks. It's like, oh, look at that. This is what would happen.
And nobody wants to talk about Uncle Bob and the situation. I feel like I've left you's haircut as well. Oh, it's all. But I mean, when you have that kind of money.
You don't have to worry about that. You don't have to worry about that. That's both. So one of the things I was wondering, like after the killing of Mr.
Morris, the head disappeared, right? So that's the big issue. So he actually, after he throw the balling to the bay in Pakistan, he went back according to the documentary. And he rescued the head, and he did something with the head.
He threw it away? He threw it away somewhere in the dumpster somewhere else. There's probably shows that more so he'll have a blank or executed in the back of the head, and he wouldn't be able to organize it so defense. That's fine.
But where did the head go? He threw it in the dumpster. The opposite is not a large place. Yeah, there is not so many places to throw the head.
So I don't know what he did. I think he put it back in the bathroom, and then let him talk to himself. And he'll go, oh, the head's in case, or whatever. He keeps it in the best day.
Then someone like this hamlet talked into the head, and then maybe he kept it. My poor Jeremy, my poor Morris. I knew you when I was a woman. But do you realize that he got a picture of a child?
Yeah. He got in a picture of his wedding. And girlfriend from a long time. Yeah, so he has all these pictures with him at all times.
You got in with this picture, someone like when you wear a child, you have anything in your pocket? I thought I was in the wrong. He's only reminder of his past. To me, it's a disconnected from that past.
But he wants to be connected. He wants to be that child. He wants to be the child. I would guess that he thinks that child is a different person.
He doesn't put together that that's him in those pictures. And he's like, he's trying to look at him, but I think he doesn't see that. That is him. That's him.
OK, does anybody think, I don't know why I keep thinking every time of what I thought a movie years ago by Andrew Jurrecke, who's the director of the jinx. He did the movie before he got a documentary. It was interesting to me. But didn't anybody think that at some point, Robert Durst really wanted to go Caitlyn Jenner on himself?
Is that the real problem? You didn't want to. You think that rather than just as a guy's, he was actually wanting to turn into a one? Yeah.
I don't think so. I was not getting that. I was not getting that. But did you think he wanted to go?
I thought. Stealing a cigar scene. I wanted a problem, but why? He was just trying to, he was keeping off on it.
Like, that's all it was. It wasn't getting caught. But why would he say, I want this at the end? What did he say?
What did he say? Yeah. What did he say? I want this.
I think he says there may be some multiple personality situation going on a little bit. By the way, he talks to himself. It's like two people talking to each other. Let me tell you, it was funny when Wegmans are really good.
I have gone to Wegmans many times when I live in Pennsylvania. He's great. He's great. He's the place to get a sandwich.
He's a very good sandwich. So, you're going to steal a sandwich? That's the place to go. He's two Wegmans.
He's still the sandwich. But you have to show the eyebrows before him. Because I have nothing. Because it makes you look totally different.
Everyone looks different with eyebrows. Because his explanation was logical. Yeah. Yeah.
He's on the internet with the celebrities with no eyebrows. That's hilarious. You can see some people walking around this building with no eyebrows. I'm going to put the theory even further because I'm still hung up on it.
Maybe when his mom died, he thought that his mom was in a house of a wife. He's not the person he always talks to and that's why he's bipolar. Oh, it's like such an old man. Wow.
I know. The way maybe my windshield. You have an apple in the car. Is that a bear?
Is that a small people's box? I got so excited I hit the windshield. The wiper. Okay.
That's everybody. You're saying. Hang on. Hang on.
Maybe he's actually thinking that he somehow embodies his mom. And so he dresses like a woman sometimes. He reconnect with her. And that's the reason he's bipolar.
That's I think I see four. I don't know. I'm following along with this one of y'all. I'm with you.
Now he can be too far back when you're crazy. But he's never dressed as a woman. Before? Before.
He thought it's your faces. That you know of. You know of. Maybe that's the entire reason him and his wife got problems.
Because you know he realized he had the shoes. Four keys a million. And a music person. Psychopath.
Who beats her up. But you want one legitimate psychopath? Yeah. But you know what he sees?
Why do you understand why he killed her, right? But the other lady was his friend since he was in UCLA and gave him $50,000. That to me was not very clear. Because I thought she needed money.
He wouldn't give me any money she needs. Because he's an old friend. I feel like she was extorting. But that's a friend.
She was maybe a friend. I suppose so. Maybe he felt like she was cheating too much. And he's already got away with murder.
But don't you think that she was the one who made the call to whatever call she didn't do anything? Did she help her very actively during the first murder? Oh yeah. I think so.
She did everything. Yeah. She did everything for him at the time. Exactly.
I don't think she would do anything against him. But doesn't it mean that he believes that. That's correct. Yeah.
I went when he decided that she was too much of a risk and decided to drive down from San Francisco down to LA. Maybe he was just looking for the real. I mean, the guy has everything. He doesn't need to work.
He doesn't have any friends except for Susan. He has something to do. So what's the lure? He has something to do.
That's your only friend. That's true. I feel like that's the time. I found it.
I picked up the eye twitch tip this morning. I got it this morning. I had to go to the computer in my office at the house and I go in there and I did have my glasses and contacts in. I realized I was sitting there and I was making the same mouth shape that he makes when he's talking.
I was doing a little eye. I got the jinx so maybe it's communicable, like the Zika virus. Did you notice that he was blinking and fidgeting more when he was lying? Yes.
Oh, when they got him at the end. He even caught himself doing it. Because when they brought up the letters and they asked him, he made that burp noise thing. And then he rubs his face.
And in the bathroom he's like the burping. He knew they had caught on to that at that point, but this isn't as soon as murder. I would not be surprised if he gets it. Yeah, but he could say that he he came to visit her.
He saw that she was dead. He wrote the notes. He got terrified. He didn't want to get involved with the police again.
He ran. Yeah. He doesn't know who killed her. But why didn't he chop her up?
That's what I'm wondering why he's chop her up. Anything that's as small as ever. He has maybe his tools and everything. He gets scared.
That seems to be his first response. Oh, chop it up. One of the chops up like spiders and stuff. I mean, when you think about that as well, like all of the murders that he has been linked to or the disappearance, so it's total disappearance.
We don't know where the body is alive or dead. The his friends, body was there, entire body, and in his neighbor, everything but the head was there. So there's absolutely no consistency in the way he killed people or allegedly killed people or makes them disappear. Just totally not the trait of a psychopath, right?
Caught death because psychopaths usually have a psychopath. We're going to defer to Cottie on the side of the psychopaths. I feel like there is a reason the difference between a psychopath and a serial killer. And they're not necessarily mutually exclusive, but there's not old killers that psychopaths, not old psychopaths.
A serial killer. A serial killer. They're talking to the end of the diagram. What's he like at many psychopats, the end of the diagram?
He's like, you have a sausage? It's the title of the diagram. It's adorable. It's delicious.
So, I guess we'll go around the room and in the car. Did he kill his wife? Yes. Yes.
Cathy. Hijart, did he? Yes. Did he kill Berman in California?
Yes. And we know he killed Morris, but murder Morris is the question. Oh. What was this?
And everything else? And what was the other thing? Does the nephew need a new haircut? 100%.
Yes. Okay. We gotta go around the house. They're plants he's saying?
Yes. Do you think she should just shave it and just go? Oh, people look good with the shape. Yeah.
Yeah. He might not be in the house. I almost can pull this off the way I do. So, how do you guys like Douglas?
His brother? He's trying to run the business, man. He runs it. He doesn't want to do anything.
He doesn't want to do anything. He looks like Barry. I'm going to have to deal with this again. He is embarrassed by this whole situation.
He wants to do whatever is in his power to keep the dirt's name clean. And to this point, it's just deny association, ignore the situation. Don't come forward with anything. Yep.
The volunteer information like Robert does. Robert throws it out there. Robert wants attention and validation. And he just did the blink.
I think he loves being in the spotlight. He wants to bother his family. I think he wants to feel like honesty here. Do you guys think that you'll get pay attention?
Yeah. I feel like he needs over here. But I think he likes only attention. What is going on?
Are you a carnival? Are you a carnival? I think he needs... I think it's time to go.
I need somebody to call a Fortnite. I'm going to tell you one thing that the episode of regular cereal comes out, decaffeinated cereal. Non-GMO comes out tomorrow. So we're very excited to have that discussion next week.
And then I think that the week after when we have another break, let's look back at the first season of cereal. Let's continue with our murder thing. And then... Do we get to say this when you just decide for it?
Yeah. I'm the producer and the programmer. And I posted on the internet. So it's basically me.
I think I did say it. I'm going to get a 60% cut of the 19th. Yeah. So I think after that we discussed.
So I may... I don't know if I'm going to listen to the whole thing between now and I think I'm going to pull it back up and listen to some of the episodes of regular cereal. But there's also a lot of cereal in the one Reddit that was saying... That's correct.
There's a lot of discussion on that. And then of course there's a lot of discussion on that. And then of course there's a lot of discussion on that. And then of course there's a lot of discussion on that.
That's correct. There's a lot of discussion on that. And then of course he is... Apparently they're going to look at his case again and see what they see.
So I think it'll be a fun discussion of that show and where it's at today. Last question. What do you want to see happen to visitors? I wanted to be found not guilty.
And go on about this killing spree. Oh! I want to see what he does. I want to see what he does.
I want to get crazy. You know? Well that guy is 71 years old. You want to tell me more about this?
Hang on. Hang on. Hejar your phone is too loud. We're hanging out about you now.
Okay. Bye-bye. 18 years between each other. Yeah.
He's fine. He's not going to make it. He's fine. I want to see if he trusts it with his brother.
Because I think that would be a real story. Tell us more about he keeps somebody between them. Did have some of the ones that he already killed. You think there's no more?
Yeah. I think the article from the New York Times and the Washington Post said that there was a guy in Vermont who was killed in 1971 when he was working in the food store in Vermont. And that guy disappeared after she went to his store. How exciting!
Imagine that. In Vermont. One college car in Vermont. I want to see what else this guy's gave below.
He could be the next great superhero. He's like the story better than I liked the New York story. He's like either cereal. This guy's much more likeable.
He is. He's an antihero. He's an antihero. That's exactly what he is.
He's terrifying. I wonder if he could fly. He could really walk. He could really walk.
He could really walk. Because he's too used to flying. You know how you atrophy at certain things. Are you sure that was just cereal in your house?
For a dimension. For a dimension. A little more than Santa. A little more than Santa.
Okay. Alright cool. I'm going to take my cereal cup on the internet so people can make a distinction on that it's a cereal cup and not a whiskey cup. Who would drink whiskey out of something like this?
Does that make sense? No I don't think so. It makes sense. Does it make me sense?
I think he's talking about that. What the hell did I do? I killed all of them. I killed all of them.
Oh man. Do you think when he said he was wrong and I was right he was talking about his lawyers who probably had told him to not talk to the filmmakers? Don't talk to anybody. Don't be stupid.
Anyway. Can't you tell his lawyers present? What? He said he was right.
Oh man. That guy's cool. I kind of want to be pen pals with this guy. I want to be a pen pal with this guy.
I like this guy. I shouldn't say that. That's weird. Okay.
Bye bye.