025: Have Fun With Your Smart Fridge

Alrighty, so I made it back from Hawaii alive. It's a long flight over a lot of water, but I'm back at him Long flight over a lot of water. I just want to complain about like oh, I had to go to Hawaii and it's such a long flight Well, it is a long flight, but I can't I mean I guess I've I've done Europe before so I I know what it's like to fly over a lot of water but Even when you go to Europe man, like at least when you leave from California where we live It's like you fly over so much land before you ever get there and even when you do fly over the Atlantic It's really not that long. It's like because you go, you know, way way way way up over.

What is it? It's Iceland Because I think that's what it is. Greenland? I don't know.

I always I was going confused I know the icy ones the green ones the green ones the icy one, but yeah, anyway It's like you spend like an hour and a half maybe over the water And then you're overland again And then you fly over that and you're and then there's the other side coming down and there's like maybe another hour and a half And then you're there But yeah, man like just look out the window and just find for like five hours straight. Nothing but water Kind of crazy. Yeah, I guess it's like it's all blue everything's blue But the nice thing about like going to Europe because I've also flown to Europe is there's a big long stint that you have did you fight direct from California to Europe? I guess this is a question I have first.

Yes, I did I have phone direct most every time from LA to Paris usually is how I go or I've done LA to London So yep, all right So yeah, like we we switch planes in you don't like Chicago or someplace boss somewhere, you know So whenever I've got like we switch planes So it's kind of nice because you get off the plane you switch around a little bit and then you get on for you know The other six hours it is right and that wasn't bad. So I don't know about direct like as how long as the direct flight? It's what eight hours. No, it's like nine ten eleven back Like you know because you're going against all that jet stream Yeah, I guess if you can fall asleep on a plane, you know, which is One of the hard things to do if you can do that then great or if you have enough to entertain you then you know flying Isn't that bad?

But I don't know man I guess flying to Europe is different than flying to Hawaii for me because flying to Hawaii I'm like oh Hawaii right like it's all this water But once you get there its beaches and you know like sand and sun and hopefully sun You know hopefully sun raining and stuff, but I guess it's different and then you get you know You get laid when you get off the plane. So yep, definitely true. Um, you know, and I have to you know if I'm fully honest The times I've been to Europe I have had the luxury of flying in basically all three classes if you will I've flown first I have flown business and I've flown coach so I've seen all three of those and I'd say the vast majority of the times I've been I've flown business Like six times I think I've been I think four of them were business one was first one was coach So I've done all of those. Um, so I know what it's like in all three cabins But obviously when you're in business, it's a little more like, you know sleeping isn't the problem really So I've never really had that problem I was able to always get some sleep and I don't know the direct flights just seem to be less taxing in the way that like You leave LA usually in the late afternoon three four o'clock.

They serve dinner you roughly go to bed You get like two three maybe four hours of sleep depending on you know How long you can sleep and then you wake up they serve you breakfast and you land and it's like 10 a.m And so it just feels like a night with a really little amount of sleep Which for me I usually can like fight through and then you know that first day on there I just fight through the day and pass out that night like early. That's what you're supposed to do It's a readjust right like yeah, don't take a nap like god forbid you take a nap if you ever take a nap You're gonna be screwed. Yeah, yeah So it's worked out well for me. I mean I at least when I've gone that way and I've had the opportunity to sleep it's worked out well But it's funny you said you stopped in Chicago Because the time I flew back and didn't fly direct I also connected in Chicago and there's there's a flight attendant or not a flight done But I don't know what you call the people at the counter at the airport But basically they said oh you're flying to Chico go and I said What time is that and she was French and she was trying to say Chicago I guess the French call Chicago Chico go so it's exactly how it looks.

I get it But I was a little confused at like 18 like um, yeah, are you sure we got the right airport here? I want to go home to America. You don't want to do exotic Chico go. Yeah, right and see the sights It sounds like a pretty island, you know like I think there's like beautiful sandy beaches in Chicago Yeah, maybe we should like buy an island item.

We'll just name it Chico go No, I think about renovating the existing Chico go make it a beach town. This is true I can we can definitely make it a beach town. We just need a little more warmth up there these days It's a big cold a little more sun just with a global warming catches up You know it's fine a little more sun just import a lot of sand from you know These other islands that don't they have too much sand or some desert somewhere right like we can get some sand from there Seems reasonable put it about to sand. Yeah, and then uh water, you know when the ice melts enough Then we'll just it'll be a beach anyway.

Yep very true. Anyway, so I'm back. Um, but moving along So the next thing I see here Adam is you're trying to do keyboard. What is this business about you?

Or trying a new keyboard layout. Um, can you can you fill me in here a little bit? So, yeah, I guess it kind of came up because my oldest daughter was asking why they laid out the keys a certain way on a keyboard And so I was like, you know, I feel like I know the answer but kind of one of those things like you never want to give your kid like misinformation So I looked it up and I was like, okay. Well, we use qwerty.

We've used qwerty forever and the reason we use qwerty is because in typewriters, you know It prevented the hammers from smacking against each other But then you look into it's like qwerty isn't actually that efficient in terms of typing and in terms of like finger movement It it's actually really inefficient because a lot of the letters that you commonly use are in different places And you have to kind of stretch your fingers or do like hops over different rows to get to different characters So I started looking at other layouts and you know, we were just doing this, uh, when I was showing my oldest daughter And uh devorek came out which I had heard of before and I never really used so I was like, you know what like Maybe I'll look at this again because it's more of a modern layout where the home row contains like most of the commonly used characters Um, so I started trying that out and god, it's like, you know, having Over 25 years, you know, just working with qwerty for so long It's almost painful to try to you know, get rid of that muscle memory But I started taking just typing tests on the side and I figured you know what like always try to keep yourself learning So this is just another way for me to learn something new or try something new and kind of challenge my brain slash muscle memory And then who knows maybe if I get, you know, good enough at it This will be my primary input method But for now I'm kind of rocking between qwerty and devorek depending on my mood and like I said just taking a lot of typing tests So if you ever remember typing tests, then you know grade school where you have to get the car to drive, you know And every time you type a correct word the car drives faster and your whole goal is to beat the other car I'm like doing that with devorek keyboard now. Thanks very cool. Yeah. I don't know.

I always kind of hated typing class For I don't know they it's something about like school right like as a kid I never wanted to like be forced to learn how to type, you know But as I got older and just more into computers myself Like I found myself using home keys more and and like the home row and just kind of like naturally falling into that But um, I think like kids most kids, you know You're forced to read a book and you're like, you know, not into it, you know Pick any book you want and you're like, you know, maybe I'll try to read a little bit more or something like that So, um, you know, that's that's cool. I'm glad you're exploring a little bit Yeah, so far it's been it's been fun. So I'll let you know. Maybe someday I'll be typing, you know, in on the actual devore keyboard layout But I didn't get like a new keyboard.

So I'm just like switching the key mappings, you know Which is really easy to do in any modern OS, right? But the other thing is there's no good like iOS keyboards for devorek like there's nothing out there There's one that you know, there are a couple that are paid and they look okay, but I want like just the stock I was keyboard with devorek like that would be awesome But I don't know. I may have to like live that hybrid lifestyle of like cruelty on the phone and devorek on the the keyboard the actual desktop physical keyboard We'll see that sounds a little tough, but I mean like some serious mental agility there You know kind of like a cross draining your fingers or they say that you know, there's been studies out there where If you like switch and learn a new language or switch your profession halfway through your life That it kind of helps combat the symptoms of Alzheimer's stuff like that because you're constantly learning new things or you're forced to learn Things and I guess exercise your brain for lack of a better term And I'm not going to you know like quote any like actual research has been done because I just remember seeing an article and skimming it You know when hearing people talk about it, but from what I hear at school and I'll have to do some research into that But hey man, I'm 30, you know, like almost 31 So it might be time for me to start, you know flexing those brain muscles again very true very true So moving along there's a flamethrower is kind of in the news I know Elon Musk is kind of doing his own thing with a another company And this is kind of you know par for the course of Elon like he comes up with a new idea And it's like hey, you know, maybe you should make a company on that and kind of put some resources on it But uh, what's going on with the flamethrower is Adam So yeah, if anyone doesn't know Elon Musk has a bunch of different companies, right? One of them is the boring company it says The tunnel boring project right where he wants to, you know, board a bunch of tunnels underneath la And be able to have like super quick transit, you know across, you know, the the state basically So where you can live in San Francisco, you know, drive your tesla to this, you know Big tunnel get in this tunnel which is kind of like a hyperloop and then get on this little sled and then it rockets your tesla You know down this tunnel at super high speeds with zero traffic, you know With a bunch of other cars into la and the spit you back out on la roads So that's that's the concept of the boring company and usually what they do And this is what I feel like they're trying to make a quick buck right like it's worth dumping all this money into this rnd All this equipment like it'd be nice if we could make some money Which if you've ever looked at like tesla merchandise where they sold like a key chain battery charger that they sold for 85 Dollars that has a tesla battery in it, you know, people go nuts for that stuff So they started selling flamethrowers with the the boring company And now I think it's been rebranded to not a flamethrower because I'm sure there was some, you know, legal argument that you can't be selling weapons, you know Or something like that, but yeah, they're selling like flamethrowers And I guess they had like 20,000 pre-orders for these things and they're not cheap from what I remember So hey, it's just Elon making another, you know, another buck to keep his companies above water So I don't know, part of me from like a weapons perspective is kind of like Isn't do you not have to like have any sort of background check or anything to buy these?

Or is this just like anybody can buy this because you know, you can buy a can of propane at the store and Hug up a flamethrow to it if you will, you know, I mean you can build your own Or is it just kind of like, yeah, you know, anybody can sign up and buy it I'm not sure if you did any research with that item, but I'm just kind of curious around the thought of that Oh, no, I didn't do research The way the way I guess it is say personal fire device though. You've never seen Heartbreakers, so I don't think you get that reference, but Nope, but I guess they're sold out, right? So yeah, it says 20,000 sold sales are now complete The world's safest flamethrower, like, okay, fire extinguishers separately Right, so I don't know it's I don't think it might could be considered a weapon Like it may have been at some point, but I think it's you know, like same thing when you go to like buy some paint You know or some aerosol thing at a department store They usually have to check your ID or make sure you're over 18, right? Because that stuff can't be dangerous or you can't be huffin it or whatever So I'm sure like someone somewhere got upset and now that the priorities are done Just get a flamethrower or hopefully someone got a flamethrower So we can see some YouTube videos on it other than the one that they have And when it doesn't ship in six months, we'll you know just laugh very sure very sure all right Well, moving on a little bit of follow-up.

I know It's been a couple weeks now, but basically the last time you and I talked we talked a little bit about Music and we talked a little bit about podcasting too and just what our workflow looks like Um, but in a little bit of news, um, roguimiba who makes some of the apps that we use Um came out with a new app for podcasters pretty much and anybody really in the music community But it's like a soundboarding app and I may like butcher this name, but I think the pronunciation is far go or fair go I'm not a hundred percent positive on that. Um, but Adam I think you took a look at this uh this week did it look pretty cool. I mean if you were into soundboards Yes, it's cool, right? There are tons of like different soundboards out there and you can basically set up anything to queue off a sound based off You know, just to keep us but roguimiba, you know, they full disclosure Like we use a lot of their their products to kind of create this show just from recording our audio to you know Setting up our future livestream and stuff like that So we use our products and they're really focused around just kind of like that audio aspect And this is I guess just a really nice way if you wanted to add sound effects into like a live production like twitch streamers You know, um, just anyone looking to have like a live broadcast and add, you know, some extra flair into that and get a soundboard This is you know a pretty decent solution out there looks like and I've looked at it And nothing, you know has impulse me to like hold that trigger, you know to pay money for this because I do everything in post, you know that And Adam doesn't pay money for very much too.

So there's that too. It's really hard to give me to throw money at something Very true very true. I can't even throw money at lu. Like I won't even do it.

Yep. Yep. So wait in here Uh, so my shorts Adam I know you remarked about them in the episode about john. So did you uh, you happen to click on the link and see the price of them or what?

What happened on the topic of throwing money at things, right? Yeah, so so when I was with john and you know when we talked last time, you know, you mentioned that you had a bad retail experience I'm like, okay, whatever with your lululemon shorts, you know, and I was like, all right I like how you say like the brand is french, you know, like I figure it's got some fans to it, you know I have to switch it for looking at the price. I'm like, man, these things are fancy like what am I sure? They're $58.

There's got to be an accent somewhere in here $58. Yeah, so over 60 bucks You know when she figure in tax California tax 62 Yeah, right. So I was like, okay. Wait a minute.

Wait a minute I'm like you're spending this much on a pair of shorts and I know you said you like your pair of shorts And you'll buy a bunch of shorts and I'm like, uh shorts shorts will wear out man shorts are one of the things like you wear every day And it goes on one of the filthiest parts of your body So why are you spending that much money on shorts like this way too expensive? So I I have to say I I kind of didn't buy into the collate for quite a long time with lululemon and said you know Hey, I'm not gonna, you know, jump in because of the same reasons you're talking about like, hey, you know I don't you're gonna wear them out or whatever and most of my basketball shorts that I just bought before them were pretty much Yeah, they were like all in for a year or two and then they'll be worn out and I'll have to start them out and get a new pair But my first pair of lululemon shorts that I have are probably four maybe five years old now And don't look any different than the new pair that I'm getting and they have a lifetime warranty on their all their clothes So if they're clothes snag rip or fade you walk into the store and they basically give you uh some money back Towards buying a new one or they'll fix it one of the two and give you half of your shorts back in money So you're 30 bucks which will buy you like one pant leg, you know, so you'd be really surprised about that though The only person I know that's ever had a problem is my girlfriend and she had a pair of like, you know, $100 leggings from them And they gave her 80 bucks and they were like three years old So I was quite surprised at the amount they gave her towards something else and so she was like, all right Well, they said they can't be fixed. So here's 80 bucks to the store go get what you want Um, so yeah, she had to throw another 20 bucks, but I mean they're Quote quote-unquote warranty or whatever you want to call it speaks, you know, well of the company and I've been happy with them I will say though, like you said on the show. I haven't paid 60 bucks for every pair that I bought Um, a lot of them I bought, you know, like from the outlet that is closest to me Which is like an hour away and so I pay more like 35 38.

So it's like it's a good 20 bucks off or so I just know that's still high but you know, it's a lot better And you said these are basketball shorts, but I'm like short shorts like sort of rare every day They're just for working out. Yeah, they're like they're working out shorts. I mean, I mean, I definitely wear them out like I don't they're They're Okay enough that you can wear them in public and not look like you're a slob if that makes sense Well, I mean, they're fancy shorts Yeah, they're they're they're like a step above my like rebock Basketball shorts that are at the very very bottom of the drawer. Yeah, that we're $20 and are six years old and still look okay Yeah, they're they're looking a little raggedy at this point.

I need to probably just get rid of them But you know, hey, what else? And say rebock I want my money back and see what they say. Yeah, I don't think that'll work I don't know man. Who sold rebock like Kmart, right?

Like go ahead and Kmart and see if you can return them Can I get like a, you know, return balls on these? I don't want to score credit, you know, like because I'm not gonna buy anything in Kmart Yeah, it's it'd be it'd be tough sell but um yeah So anyway, I'm happy with them and like I said The pair shorts that are in question that I was complaining about I had a gift card for 60 bucks I paid like $2 for them because the person that was trying to give them to me couldn't find them So so I ended up paying like $2 for the pair shorts that I have now Not even she just got a couple inches on the uh on the pant on the short leg So that's the like the funny part too is like they make like seven and nine inch versions of these which first of all You never want to see loot and seven inch versions of these shorts I don't know man. I kind of want to see it once, you know I like I might at some point out of just for you go tape put on a pair of seven Blue 11 shorts and take a picture in the changer room in the changer proper picture on my phone. What's that?

No thing Let's lose white pasty legs. You just gotta make sure they're like a good color too Like I don't want to be like black shorts or anything like that You know, I something to try to you know eagle out the super white pasty part You know, so maybe like a banana yellow right or a lemon yellow I'm sure they have a lulu lemon yellow right like lemon lemon yellow I think I haven't seen yellow shorts, but most of them are like blues or reds or something like that But yeah, I'm sure I can find something But yeah, I might have to give that a try something if I find myself in a little lemon store I might just do it for you like woo No, it's a leg. So anyway, yeah, my minor the 11 inch a little longer. I'm a tall guy Oh, that's not the excuse.

You just don't want to show some leg. Well, that is true. That is true Um, so anyway, uh, my movie thoughts I guess this is the the time in the show where I have to give my my thoughts on the first movie assignment Well, yeah, it is the first episode of our recording in February So, you know, we went through the whole thing when you were gone about your movie list So we gave you that first movie, which is Iron Man. So what'd you think Lou?

Um, Iron Man was was fine. It was it was okay I mean, I'm not like, um, I guess I'm not like running this the Iron Man 2 And I have no idea if the saying about like the second and the third and the fourth movies are are not nearly as good as the first History about Iron Man, um, but I mean, it was okay movie I don't know that I would sit through it again and like just rewatch it Well, but I saw it it was decent. I wasn't like bored out of my mind. It didn't fall asleep or anything And so I should say I felt like the first time I watched it a little bit But I watched like 15 minutes and then I just went back and rewatched all the way for the beginning so um, but yeah It was uh, it was good.

Um, I kind of I was confused at parts a little bit So there was that I guess I was um, I was confused a little bit about the thing that's in his chest Like what is that thing? I didn't really grasp like is it some like rare earth metal That's like making him blow and you know makes the the suit come to life kind of thing So that was a little confusing. Yeah, so it's it's a power source, right? So we had this giant, you know arc reactor Which is what powered like his entire factory and he miniaturized it and put it into his chest That was just powered like an electromagnetic uh An electromagnet to keep the shards in his heart Or his shards like in his chest from going into his heart and killing him So basically the whole purpose of this thing was to at first keep him alive, right?

Which is what the doctor kind of did, you know Just hooked him up to like a car battery and this big magnet in his chest and then you know brand some currents right just to make sure that These shards of you know, metal didn't make their way into his heart and he's like, well This is really inconvenient and I'm a genius So I should make a better way to do this and at the same time I need to get out of this prison So I need something to power my way out of it So let's a miniaturize it and then be given enough power to power like a mech or some, you know, suit of armor that can get me out of this situation So it started just kind of like as an necessity to save his life and then it kind of became a tool for him to You know as he has that you know kind of pivotal change after he makes it out of the prison where he's like I need to stop people like this like I've been creating weapons all my life, you know I've created this, you know, which is it's a weapon But it's a weapon that I can change the world with for the better So that's when he goes on that whole like hero superhero type vendetta So that's that's like crazy because like there's so much detail you just gave me there That was like I guess I didn't put that all together when I watched the film Like I didn't connect all those dots 100 like I understood that he was trying to get out of You know like the prison or the captivity and that you know that he owned the weapons company and I get all that But that it was powered by that power source was a little bit confusing to me So that was that was good to kind of understand that and go full circle that way The whole like kind of mysterious love story side of it that is going on with pepper throughout the The movie where there's that kind of build up that I kind of saw coming early early on in the film But but it I mean overall like I said, it was good. It wasn't a terrible film for sure I I can't really say I mean I only know the the main actor was Robert Downey Jr But I don't know any of the others really like offhand So I need to like I feel like read the imdb that probably would be helpful Maybe I should work that into my workflow before I start the movies because that might be helpful No, not before after okay. Okay after after I'll do it after next time. But yeah, anyway, um, it was good It was good.

I mean if it was like on and like it was sometimes I would watch it now I wouldn't like not watch it, but it was good So I don't know like what a good measurement is for you to rate movies I mean I feel like it's good. I didn't fall asleep is a pretty good threshold because You know, you don't watch movies a so I don't know Do we want to come up with like a reading scheme for this or do we want to say like if you had to give it, you know However, many stars out of five would you or would you give a thumbs up a thumbs down a neutral like maybe that's as easy as we want To take it because that gives a pretty high threshold for good movies And then you know some more kind of bandwidth for not so great movies so thumbs up thumbs down or neutral Um, I mean I guess I would say neutral in this case like it was passable Um, it's not a review kind of thing where I'm gonna give it that thumbs up I'm gonna go run out and watch it again with other people And it definitely is not like I'm never watching that again kind of thing So I go neutral on it. Okay, that's fair enough I mean give it give it my evert and robert like three stars out of five or something, you know what like it'll be the loo I don't know so lose rating, you know, we can we can figure out something for that And then maybe well, you know compile the scores and then I can give myself a score at the end of the year and say like wow I gotta you know 75, you know percent and this course of you know giving loop pop culture movies But I feel like if I say that you're just gonna like immediately downvote everything because you want me to fail the course No, no, no I have to say If you swing it more towards comedies, I probably will go more thumbs up But you like the slapsticks up to you all put a bunch of fart videos in front of you But yeah, these are great. It's hilarious.

I'm in number three with the best movie ever Definitely definitely not. No, like I actually probably would not like dumb number I don't think but um, but but I do like I do like comedy I think like you know February like I like I said, I've seen but some pieces of me girls not the whole thing straight through I probably don't like it. I'm not gonna lie. So, you know, we'll see.

We'll see. I was gonna say so this month You'll probably be in for a treat. So let's get yep very true. Anyway, let's get on with the show So I know we promised the listeners that we would go ahead and do a post CES wrap up show and You know, that's that's what we wanted to do this week So I think we should kind of just open by Talking about the the trends uh, they're going on There's always seems to be like trends every year.

Is it safe to say that Adam? I mean, I know in the years past that's been the one I most recently remembers Like there was like home kid a couple years ago is like was super big and I mean you kind of was around this year But it was like really really really big um tv's are always big but what else caught your eye this year? Yeah, there's always a theme it feels like in ces right where you see their People are focused on robotics or people are focused on you know VR people are focused on tv's right and Last year was a lot of tv's especially when you get into like 4k and you know oled and all the things there And you somewhere of that but I think the trend this year was putting like voice assistants in everything Just everything had voice assistants in it like everything you could think of like the toilets You know smart fridges and just random screens that you could put in your kitchen Everything had an appliance on it and you know, amazon's voice assistant or some other voices assistant just put in it Right? So I think this was a year of the digital assistant in every part of the house Right and that's kind of top of all because like watching Iron Man right he was talking into the air The entire time right so you kind of got that and you also saw his spatial AR right which was really cool So but that's Iron Man.

This is not real ces is real and I don't know man Like I think this year is the the digital assistant trend where everyone's kind of jumping on that But there were a couple other things too. We can kind of talk about each one So on the topic of smart appliances right everything can see internet so like I mentioned fridges The toilet was definitely there that had speakers and amazon Alexa Oops, I said it so people's Alexa's are gonna go off or echoes or whatever um But yeah, there's there's tons of stuff there and I don't know if you saw any that you were intrigued by or if you also saw that trend Yeah, I definitely saw that trend. I did see the toilet that you're talking about It had like blue two speakers and Alexa built in so that's um, that's crazy The the trend is definitely in that direction and I mean I think we can probably fault amazon for that in the sense that they they what if they do they like open source of Alexa this year So it's like now any company can just you know slap it on their current hardware And so that's sort of I feel like everybody's easy way to say like oh we've got voice assistants now You know the company just takes their existing product and slams Alexa on it and says cool It's now a voice assistant enabled and so it's an easy win for a lot of companies As far as other stuff outside that I think TVs are always generally big And we always see I shouldn't even say there's TVs but display technology is always huge there And so display technologies have morphed from TVs to computer desktops to like now we're seeing the VR and AR stuff kind of show up there too So that's definitely gonna gonna happen there but I think it should be mentioned and we'll probably get into this more and more but There the half of the stuff we see there is kind of just thrown at a wall right at them Yeah, I mean before we get into that right like I want to touch on the tv thing too, right? Because I feel like a lot of this stuff comes up every year, right?

And I want to talk about TVs because I kind of have a problem with TVs And my problem with TVs is that when's the last time you bought a new tv? Why don't you ask two weeks ago? No, okay. Well, what was the time before that?

Oh 2008? Yeah, see exactly. So TVs last like on average 10 years So whenever you see all this stuff it likes to use TVs TVs It's like they're always appealing just to like that year's market and all this stuff is changing But there's no like real upgrade path for TVs. That's like I don't know They retain their value and their use for so long That it's pretty much pointless to update until some big technology came out And the last thing that came out was 4k and you know everyone this year is pushing stuff And I know you and I will get into like some TVs that we kind of like thought were cool to call out But I don't know man, like when you only buy something every 10 years, it's like I kind of get burnt out on seeing TVs all the time Yeah, that's totally understandable and a lot of the tv technology they push It never sticks and that's the hardest part about this stuff is that you see new technology there And I feel like consumers see new technology there and they expect to go to their local best buy or fries or whatever and You know see that sort of stuff later in the year and they don't see it ever and they're like well What was that like all new technology that was coming out and a lot of it just doesn't stick You're totally right that like you know when I was recently shopping for a tv I I have held off for so long because there there was so much that it was just unsure and I wasn't sure what was gonna really hit the wall and stick And so I finally settled on okay like I 4k is here to stick and I think HDR is here to stick So I bought a 4k HDR TV I would love to have gotten OLED, but it's just it's not there at the size that I want yet The size tv they want is smaller.

I don't I think you're like me Adam. You don't really want like an 80 inch television in the living room I don't really want one of those. I'm fine with like a 40 45 inch tv something like that And it's just not there yet. So it wasn't an option, but I think that it's it's very tough to go TV shopping because there's so many things they try to hit you with it's like, you know, a refresh rate for this that the contrast You know, it's it's like and so much of it is kind of like oh my god It's just I can see the consumers glazing their eyes over and god forbid you go to a showroom where they're all in demo mode and everything's blown out And it's not actually how it's gonna look when you take it home and like do everything Yep The first thing I did when I got it home was like go online find a way to like Actually calibrate the way it's like supposed to be viewed because it's like otherwise.

It's like blistering and saturated You're like, oh my god. Yeah, why is this person pink? They shouldn't be pink this person looks like Donald Trump tan Like why is that a thing? Yep You didn't get 3d in your TV.

What happened to that man? No 3d television? No, definitely didn't get 3d and it didn't come with a free HD DVD reader, you know Talk about the things that see yes, I don't speak 3d televisions. I'm looking at you.

Yep So, um, I have to ask now, uh, what TV did you get? Oh god, you're gonna make me like go look up the model number Uh, don't don't even look at model numbers I mean like that can go and shown us like I don't want to pause this show to look up a freaking model number of a TV Which let's pause and just say model numbers for TVs are fucking ridiculous Oh, yeah, they're ridiculous in a half. It's and 55 tv seven four seven series eight What? And so if you really look into it too, what I learned is that um you have to be very very careful because a lot of times Around this time you're because it's it's super bowl companies will release like Like purposely discounted or like cutting corners quality um TVs.

Yeah, they'll do cheap panels and stuff. Yep Yeah, yeah, they'll take like an existing model and they'll like alter it just a little bit and then that cuts like a hundred Dollars off of it. They're like, oh, they're gonna sell it a limited run. Yeah, it's so annoying It's like oh, so I really had to like do my research and I've been eyeing this one tv since like just like I would say November December and I've been asking for like gift cards for christmas.

I asked for a couple there Got a little bit so it knocked a little bit off of it. The total Do you get uh, sony the same song? Oh, no, santa. Um, I was gonna go with the sony But um, I've heard some I heard some poor reviews on the model.

I was looking at in terms of the user interface user interface is um an android based interface and it's just um, I guess it's not getting updated. It's like a Eight months older so and they haven't really released any like software patches for it. So it's got some bugs So I kind of has it at least stayed away from that but I went with a samsung 40 inch 4k panel with a hdr and um, it has 120 hertz refresh rate, so The one I settled on do you get Dolby vision on that thing? No, don't be vision.

Um, I wish and I haven't found again This is kind of a try and I notice is that and I'm not quite sure why but in um, when it comes to tv's Everything comes to the like 50 inch 70 inch highest than one first and it works its way down market I kind of understand why in some sense is in the sense that you know, if you're making a 75 inch tv you can charge You know $6,000 for it And so there's you know room and in that, you know to to sort of, you know charge more and charge $6,700 and get Dolby vision or whatever um, but When you go down market, it's harder because you know, nobody wants to spend, you know, $1,000 on a 32 inch tv and get all the frills for it But they're looking at another 32 inch and you're like, well, why is this one 250? So I I don't know I I understand that and I don't because I'm someone who doesn't want a 75 inch So I really wish I could have gotten like, well, they'll be vision that whole nine yards I would have paid like $1,000 for a tv like that but nobody would make that that that I found so $1,000 for an OLED tv like Let me maybe check back in four years, but you know, yeah, you'd be surprised. I mean what they're like 2500 or like 1600 for like a 55 inch OLED so I don't know for like a decent OLED though Like what lg is OLEDs maybe like if you get that baseline model, but you're throwing at least a couple grand at something like that Yeah, I know the holidays though. They dropped a lot they got them down to like 1600 But yeah, I think their retail prices get is close to 2 grand but they black Friday deals don't count Okay, okay I'm talking like MSRP anyway, so so you got a same time you got a new tv and did you watch Ironman on the dtv?

Oh, yeah, of course I did. Oh, well, of course. Yeah, yep, totally watch it. Um, you know, the other main reason for the tv is I I use youtube tv so it's a nice new streaming service that I can use on that and then you know, of course I kind of updated in order to home pod two so there's I kind of like revamped the whole like living room setup if you will I feel like I'm kind of like set for another like I'm not gonna spend any money in the living room Experience in the in the next, you know, like year for sure Maybe after that I'll get another speaker.

I don't know but I'm definitely not buying a new tv for a very very long time I'm on the same track as you like a 10 year tv kind of thing. Yeah, cool. Well back to other ces trends Yeah, so wireless, you know, this is like a ripe space Adam. What's going on in the wireless space?

Oh, no, just every year there's always, you know, sub new powerful router How many more antennas can we put on this router to get you know gigabit ethernet here or you know y gig and all that kind of stuff? So the only thing I saw and the only thing I kind of put in here was that you're seeing more wireless able to 11.ax So it's kind of we're on a c right now So a x is kind of the next one that's gonna be you know hitting the the shelves at some point So you see a lot of that and like I said every year at cs There's smart lines of TVs and wireless stuff. So very true And you know it seems like some of this is kind of lost on me though because The whole idea of like a solo wireless router is kind of going away I feel like the whole like node mesh network thing is hopefully gonna take off because it seems like it's the much much more stable option Yeah mesh routers are nice as long as they're all connected the right way right if they all have a connection out then it's great Like a mesh network still falls apart You know when you get down to you know the single the single line right and at one point in time It's when I lived down the middle of nowhere So I looked at you know how they they ran wireless to you like villages like in Africa and Australia You know it's like really really remote villages and basically they would have like one or two lines You know that they would pay for coming into the village and then they would have these things called mesh potatoes They would put on like these poles like above their houses And they would basically they had like long range Wi-Fi So they would just basically connect to the other house or another house around it And they would set up their own mesh network for kind of like networking So I looked at once I'm doing that I was like maybe I should just knock on my neighbor's door and like Because you know where we were we only got like satellite internet which the latency was so bad It was just ridiculous It's like all right well If we can get five miles away Then five miles away from us is a place where you could pay for like huge you know like local satellite downstream You know what like visibility like you could see the satellite dish and point to point satellite instead of you know Like space satellite type things right and I was like all right well Maybe we could do this so it's just funny to see like the mesh the mesh system has been around for a long time And mesh networks are great for reliability But you still have the single point of failure in a house and blanketing your home and Wi-Fi is great And having multiple nodes is awesome But it really depends on like what you're looking for like I run my entire house off of one little you know central point And I usually don't have any problems right like I have all the wired connections And then I have the Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi reaches where I need to get to if you get to a bigger house As long as you place the wireless in the right place Which is 99 percent of people's problems is that you know put them in the closet where the telco people you know Told them to put it But in that place like wireless only broadcast in one direction You know where because there's a wall right next to them You know they're bouncing single out to the house So it's like you get a great signal in you know the side yard But you don't even get signal in your you know kitchen because it's not pointing the right way So I think placement is the biggest problem for most people and these mesh routers are just kind of like okay Well, no one's gonna move their routers So let's just charge them twice as much to you know just put a router everywhere So Yeah, that definitely seems like the solution But I think for most people that's not a bad one Because most people won't want to invest the time to handle all that stuff Most people just want to throw money at a problem instead of you know actually solving the problem I get it Um, so we're gonna you look at you You definitely are but you guys think I'm pretty small Small meat on a food chain here like there there are definitely people who are you know the I don't know mark armin or like even further like like I don't know just some lawyer doctors Like yo, I got like a 6,000 square foot house And I could either pay some crazy due to come out and like solve my problem and do all sorts of crazy stuff Or I could just be like you know this like thousand dollar Wi-Fi system with like 10 little things I just plug in in every room will solve my problem Yeah, that's just be the cable companies they should just you know put the Wi-Fi in the right place to begin with There's one's going into the last mile anyway They're the ones wiring up everything though They should just Those goes into my problem is like when you design a house like put drops where you want You know these these modems or these wireless routers to go And even then right like all you have to do is run ethernet So you can still run like the the coax to you know wherever closet you want to and have the modem there And then just have your routers like throughout the house right like a lot of them run on like power over ethernet too So I don't know I'm I'm very much like I like setting up wireless networks And I've done it And I've done it the wrong way many times and I've done it the right way once or twice So It's just taking my for me because I see things and when you look at like a decent place or like an officer An enterprise that has you know Why I said I was like they pay a lot of money for access points just because they need to be powerful access points And they need to have you know captain networks and they need to do VLANs and all sorts of stuff But 90% of you know what people need to do can be solved with like a $50 router place in the right direction with the right channel configuration like When you pay you know over $350 for something that can be solved by something that's less than 50 It's it's just stupid anyway. I'm getting sidetracked.

So new wireless standards are coming anyway They're gonna make my argument obsolete. So it doesn't really matter very true. So Adam you said that basically see us you don't really care for it because it's a big dumpster fire anyway for a whole bunch of reasons What do you mean by this in terms of I mean, I think we've kind of talked about a little bit of this dumpster fire But can you expand a little bit more? I just I call see yes a whole bunch of dumpster fires because Most of the time like whenever you hear people covering CS or whenever you look at you know coverage of CS like You're only surfacing the stuff that was actually worse seeing but most of the stuff at CS like no one needs to see It's people you know like trying out an idea or showing something that will never go to market or that's way too expensive or super impractical or So there's a very very very very small niche of you know a market So I say a lot of dumpster fires because there's a lot of like shit that's there that you don't want to see or you don't need to see So we picked out three trends, but we didn't you know mentioned the 50 other you know different things that are there from robot strippers to you know smart toilets, right?

There's a whole big spectrum in between those and we're only picking up three things So I don't really like CS and I don't like watching coverage of CES because there's just too much and there's too much Okay, if you think of a salad right like your favorite part of the salad is you know like the leafy lettuce part So you don't like the big like crunchy crispy parts or you know you've got some croutons here and there on the croutons are the fun parts Like CES is a giant salad of just like iceberg like stocks You know like that's all it is and like there's one crouton or one leafy lettuce part You know but it's a bunch of iceberg stocks and like barely any dressing on the parts that you actually want to eat So yes, it's just a whole big shit salad Like that chit salad um, you know it really reminds me of sort of our frustration with Kickstarter when we talked about that because there's like so much like rosiness sometimes and they're like and that it will never ship It's like half you know put together shit that is you know never gonna make it to market And it's it's just put on by big big companies And um I think I mentioned this before when I was when I was younger it was like super cool I always thought it was like oh my god. So yes I like I want to live for this you know I'm talking about when I was like 15 16, you know in the days of like oh tech is super cool And and I love this is what I want to go you know towards and and now I'm just like oh god I would never want to go see yes. So I understand your your sentiment there Kickstarter is to see us what Amazon is to retail, right? Kickstarter tried to kind of take the place of like hey We don't need a physical location once a year like we could do, you know So yes all year round online like let's just do that people can you know come pitch their ideas and you know try to get Interest on it and get some coverage and publicity and it's just no Yes, very true.

Um, all right. So moving forward We basically both picked out um a few things that kind of caught a ride from uh CES So um, I guess all uh started off and uh say that the first thing that I noticed um was um an alpine Like double din deck for your car that is um car play compatible It's the ILX F309 and of course they don't give it great names Um, they never give these things great names I remember I replaced the one that was in my car and it was a terrible name for the Kenwood model that I have Um, but the most interesting thing about this thing was just how big it was because I think I paid a very similar amount for mine It was about 1000 bucks or so, um, and I got like a six inch one I want to say this was like two years ago and this thing's a nine inch one And I know when I was shopping for it I was really really into making sure it had a capacity to touch screen because I wanted to feel like An actual device that is worth a thousand dollars in that terrible resistive, uh, touch screen capabilities and so um I thought it was really neat this one supports all that it seems to support most everything that mine supports in terms of like You know backup cameras and all like a jazz are supported Um, and I've heard pretty decent things about the alpine unit So I this this cotton and I I certainly would not like re-change my car around but a nine inch in but Um, these these screens are pretty cool and that they're getting that big now Um, because I think they Carfully general doesn't need to be super big But it's just nice having a nice big screen to touch on your especially when you're driving you don't want to miss You know, uh, if you're tapping on something and the smallest screen is the heart of the touch target is You just need to use voice assistance whenever you're on the road. Do all your stuff Yeah, let's just put a like to my car like four did Yeah, I mean you just press the button and you talk to it and stuff like that Anyway, so alpine like I've been a big fan of alpine Um, the only bad thing is that whenever I get an alpine stereo in you know My car since my trucks are pretty old and don't have like modern security systems It means that they get stolen So I kind of stopped buying alpine's when the second one got stolen from my car Uh, but yeah, I mean like the capacitive test screens I'm always here and nine inches like this thing's huge. That's an ipad like that's an ipad screen virtually an ipad Smaller, right, but it doesn't ipad screen in your car.

It's huge. Yeah, like do you really do you really need it? Like no, you don't really need it because you shouldn't be spending that much time on your thing It's a really good argument. I mean do you really need nine inches of carplay?

I mean probably not. Um, is it nice to have sure? Well, I need nine inches, you know, but just not a carplay Um, you know, it's it's um, it's um, it's not necessary But it's a uh, it's if if I'm gonna spend the money I think I'd rather spend it on this But one thing I think it's gonna be really weird and to try to get it to do is it makes it almost sound like it It hovers off the dashboard a little bit or something like that because I don't know like any dashboard that really supports like an ipad Just fully mounted to it. Um, without taking away like controls for other stuff So that seems like it would be really hard.

Um, some of the newest cars are coming out with seven eight nine inch, you know screens But those are like the newest cars. Are you talking about like modifying your, you know, a Honda Civic? Yeah, there's no way it has like a nine inch, you know, cut out to put that in there So that's gonna be a headache that way Cool. So, um, I picked out a couple things on my end too.

So one of the ones I picked out Which was I thought was interesting was Project Linda, which is by Razer, which is a gaming company, right? And this is the idea of um, docking a smartphone into a laptop shell and basically having everything now run through the external display and the Keyboard so I've always like thought of this idea of like a convertible You know, appliance, right where you're using let's say your phone your phone's got a lot of power in it and phones are only getting more powerful And they can drive you know external displays or you can plug them into, you know Like hdmi this and that but I would love to be able to just like yeah dock it into this dumb shell and now it becomes like a computer with this giant You know like multi touch, you know trackpad or whatever So I thought it was interesting to see like One of these you know kind of concepts actually like in the wild and done like by a company that focuses on gaming So curious to see kind of where this goes, but I thought of this one kind of caught my eye I was like, okay Well, all the crap out there like this could be really crappy because you know You're trying to scale an operating system to run on a tiny little phone And then also when you plug it into switch to this giant thing You know an actual full flights like computer But I thought it was kind of interesting to see just one of these concepts in the wild and see what Razer does with it So the first thing that I saw when I clicked on the link was that this says it's a concept So like did they not actually demo any even prototype hardware? Was it just like a rosy idea that they brought to see yes or did they actually like bring something that might work and make it to market? I'm sure like it's a concept in the sense where it's like hey, you know This is something that we're working on this is what we want to do whether or not they have like prototypes of it Is a total different question, but uh, I don't know I have to look up and see But like I said when you're going through all of cs like this is one of things like hey This is what's interesting.

This is what I'd like to you know see happen, but let's see if we can find some coverage really quick Okay, that's that's fair. I mean, you know, I do know a company sometimes bring Concepts to see yes, and that's fine. I get it. I respect the intent that like hey, they want to go this direction That's the goal.

You know, it may not even ship this year. It probably won't be you know, um if it ships in the next five years great, you know It's that's yes. That's what you take you know, no, that's what you get when you go there So I'm not terribly surprised if it is a concept I just didn't see any pictures on the site that look like they're 100% you know hardware, you know, they looks like they're pretty Conceptor or you know photoshopped up essentially. Yeah, but since it's razor You know, since it's like a gaming company They'll probably at least put something out there because they also brought out like the the shield the Nvidia shield and a bunch of other things So it makes sense.

Oh, don't get there. Um, all right So my second thing I picked up on was a view sonic display and it's like one of the first or the first 8k monitor for a computer And it's you know, of course This is funny because it's like right on the heels of us talking about me getting a new 4k display or 4k you know TV and saying, you know, hey, you know that at CES everything's like they've used like the newest stuff And so there will probably be a day that 8k will be around for you know TVs and it's probably not far off Um, if it hasn't already come and I just missed it Um, but this was just interesting because I know a lot of cameras are kind of ahead of their time Especially like red cameras. I think they have some 8k shooting cameras now But there's hasn't really been displays to edit on and so that's kind of been a problem for some of those content creators They're like, hey, so I got this great camera that's shooting an 8k But I I can't really edit it on it and um, you know, it's nice that you just finally come out with one But um, I will say I think it's got a pretty hefty price tag I heard and I don't have anything to really back it up by right now because this page doesn't say anything about it They're their website doesn't but um, the monitor was probably gonna be north of $5,000 Which I was like, yes, but I guess if you're you know, if you're sporting a $50,000 rig camera You can probably spend five grand on that on a display to edit it with right? Yeah, and this is kind of you know, this isn't necessarily TV This is a monitor, you know with under bolt three So it's got, you know, kind of the the connectors to to drive all these pixels But like you said people are shooting an 8k and then they have to edit in 4k And whenever you have to down sample something just to get your editing done If you're not seeing pixel for pixel, you know, people will freak out about that Like they want to see exactly what they're, you know, what they're bringing in and what they're editing So I get that, you know, and I'm sure like, you know, a lot of studios that are making, you know, millions of dollars will buy these You know, but you know, same thing in four years when people are finally tired with 4k Which it won't be four years from now.

Let's be honest It's probably gonna be when we make the switch to 1080p like that was, you know A while back and now we're just getting into 4k And 10 years from now people will be like, okay, I'm finally ready to upgrade my tv to an 8k tv, you know By that time like 8k, like you won't even notice the difference Like you can't notice the difference between 1080p and 4k at a reasonable viewing distance unless you're a panel It's like you said 65 or 70 80 inches, you know So I don't know, like I see this resolution race as kind of meaningless in a lot of ways Because people aren't going to be able to consume this content in a meaningful way And I'm all for, you know, capturing the raw amount of or like the most that you can in the capture moment, right? Like, yeah, when you record video it makes sense to record in 8k because if you ever want to go back and you know Upscale that or what have you, you at least have that raw resolution But do like 4k is fine. I think it'll be fine Like I said for a consumer standpoint, I don't see this taking off But you mentioned it's going to take off for people who are this is their life or this is what they get paid to do This is how they make their millions of dollars. So yeah, they'll get into it So 4k is old 8k is new and you know the depth of 4k is just around the corner not Very sure yeah To to follow up on what you just said about 1080 I mean like I know my last tv that about in 2008 was 1080 So, you know, it's been a long time So I don't see 4k going away anytime really soon But I totally agree with what you you said about that you want to capture as much quality as you can So that capture moment should be as high as quality as you can get it And from there, you know, it's it's all downhill because most people are going to consume it at Let's be honest.

Probably most of America is still consuming on 1080 or 720 I don't even think most of America is on 4k right now Not for streaming because our infrastructure sucks and our broadband sucks So you can barely get through a sky call without any delay, you know, let alone, you know stream 4k or 8k video Very sure very sure So uh, the next thing on my list was the HTC Vive Pro So this is kind of the successor to the Vive which is a virtual reality headset that came out a couple years ago now And you've seen like all these other innovations in the space and People kind of getting Getting ready and kind of pushing the the limits of what VR can do And so this Vive Pro which they kind of debuted and got a bunch of awards I see yes was the other thing that caught my eye so Wireless VR like it's an actual thing like they can finally do it So you don't have all these cables strapped down to you and Now instead of you know lifting the VR headset to see the real world Oh, then we just put a bunch of cameras in front of you know the things You can switch between reality and the virtual reality which is like flick of a switch So this was interesting to me because it just shows how that VR scape is still changing Right and people are still kind of figuring it out and HTC which was kind of like the forerunner when they came out Right like they had an interesting concept and everyone knows oculus like they were one of the first ones to market Or to have a concept but HTC was always like rated higher like they had better specs than that So it's cool to see that they're still growing this space And I think this would be the one like VR headset I would like to try because of the fact that it is wireless and of all the other like improvements I've done to like the display PPI and the pixel count increases and things like that Yeah, I think that wireless part is huge man. I have to say the closest I have been to Trying something like this is I did get a chance to try the DJI Goggles that their headset that lets you see what the drone is seeing and it's wireless And I think that's a huge huge advantage for that one I mean obviously the complexity is a little different there because essentially it's streaming a video feed You know wirelessly from the phone which I think it's doing over Wi-Fi So there's some sort of like pairing you know there But you know the lack of wires is probably the biggest step forward for me in that area Yeah, and it's using just Intel's like form of wireless so their wide gig which is like gigabit wireless speeds So it is doing you know something there to at least you know transmit all that information because yeah You have to you know feed a lot and I think the thing to watch will be like can they do this with you know No latency because any latency in VR is the thing that makes people sick It's the thing that kind of kills the experience altogether So if you have a decent network like let's just you know pretend that you don't have all this you know crappy wireless signals Flowing throughout your house and you have this Intel wide gigs that up you know you should be fine So I think you know cables are always the thing holding me back. Uh-huh get that cables holding me back Very funny dead jokes. Yeah, there it is That was the only thing holding me back from actually like trying VR or like being interested in VR So I think now like and I'm not gonna spend a bunch of money Let's be honest.

I'm not gonna throw money at this But this is something that at least intrigues me enough to actually want to try it all right very cool very cool Let's see if that Makes it to market and if it does I mean and I'd be interested in that given that a world Like that's something that is like the first step in the right direction if you ask me that way So what I had up next was the DJI actually osmo mobile too So this is their Their gimbal and this is their their second attempt at a gimbal Their first one was so really nothing really that wrong with it I didn't really find it that terrible is the price. Yeah, the price was a little a little high The prices come down significantly on the second one. Um, so they're they're down to I think what's a 129 at retail So not too bad Um, and um, they made some fast improvements in the battery section because although I wouldn't say that personally I'm ever gonna use a gimbal for the length of time that first one I think it was like four hours of battery life So I don't know that I would ever use a gimbal for that long Or be away from a plug that I couldn't recharge it for that long But the the mobile too has like a battery built in so it's an integrated battery And it's like something like 15 or 16 hours of battery life so significantly improved that way So I thought that was really cool and that the price drops as much as it did because I think things like this are kind of like the You know the next iteration on like the premium selfie stick or you know, it's it's a better way for you to capture And record those memories and and to get that just the I don't know man like anytime you see like good quality videos Not, you know jerky It actually has a lot of polish and I feel like as a someone who You know consumes video if it was trying to show me a video and it's very jerky I am I'm tendency to want to not watch it And so um, you know if you're going on vacation or anything like that Take it one of these with you is probably not a bad idea your memories are going to be a lot better And um, you know look a lot more professionally kind of shot if that makes sense Yeah, so so these things like you said it's great for creatives because Because a lot of people like a way to kind of get into the space or play in that space without a high cost of entry So bringing the price down adding things like better battery life Just means that you can always have it with you. You never have to worry about if it's charged So I think that did a lot of things right there Um, as far as like the the people this this kind of market stores I mean, I've never used a gimbal like when I've recorded any video and they're doing so much nowadays and software just with like Stability and different things like that.

So this I mean this definitely solves a lot for for that But you're still running on like software too and firmware on this device and like I I was watching one of the reviews on it Like I still listen weird things and I had it pointed like towards them and like the camera just started rotating and like trying to like orient itself And it couldn't so it was having a good time there kind of like flying all around but I think it's it's nice because like you said it gives a little more professional like feel to your videos While still using just like the smartphone in your pocket You know like those cameras keep getting better and better now the tools that are handheld to you know kind of complement that are getting better and better So I think this kind of ties in like just another accessory to your phone that you can have with you all the time that just lets you Better videos. So I think that's a win and it's something that is you know a version two of something So, you know, it's gonna ship so good pick. Yeah, and I should point out that you know, Adam, you're still rocking iPhone 7 Uh, no, not anymore. What do you want now?

I upgraded to a 10. Oh, look at you. I never heard this So I I guess we should say that you know, like since we're both rocking iPhone 10s now that I think the the 10 has now video stabilization So, you know, that's a vast improvement It's kind of had the the photo stabilization for a couple years now But I think the 10 and the 8 was this was the first year that I've done on to the video camera So that's that's that's that's huge I mean in in some ways for me, you know The lucrative ness of of a gimbal is a little bit, you know Taken back because of that because my videos are gonna look a little better anyway So I you know, I'm not 100% committed to maybe buying one of these but whereas before With my seven, I was strongly considering it a couple times and I'm kind of glad I held off Yeah, and I mentioned that, you know, they're doing, you know, things to fix us So there's the optical video stabilization and then there's the software stabilization They've been in the software one for a long time where it's like you take the video at full frame But then you crop it in a little bit and then use, you know software to just kind of like rotate the video kind of live on the fly Just to like eliminate any jitter, you know and movement there So they've been in the software for a long time just for sensors But and I think a lot of companies, you know, do this but now having like actual optical stabilization is It's just kind of like a baby step towards, you know, the granddaddy of having an actual gimbal, you know Yeah, definitely Uh, so the next thing that I put on here So I had to put a TV thing on here as well and I'm talking about, you know TV technology kind of being one of the staples of CS but it was the lg display that was a rollable OLED TV So it rolled up like a poster So you could unroll it and then roll it back up and they showed like a concept of that So basically they had it, you know All rolled up in the tube and then they unrolled it and the panel was on and they rolled it back up So we all know like one of the benefits of like OLED is that you actually can make it and we've heard about people making like foldable displays But I thought this was really interesting and listening to a bunch of people talk about it It's like, well, this has, you know, some really practical applications like let's say, you know You're a traveling, you know, salesman or whatever and use to take projectors with you or whatever Well, now if you can just unroll an actual TV like wherever you are You're like talk about taking it, you know outdoors like to a beach party or wherever you are, right? Just having the ability to roll out, you know, this 50 inch TV like why not?

So Yeah, that's very cool tech And I mean something that I think we all kind of dream of because it'd be so nice to be able to like roll up a TV That's like, you know, I don't know if 10 or 15 inches and you just throw it in your back back Throw it in your waver and just go around and you know, unroll it and keep going wherever you are So I think that's super cool and you know, something that I think we're I don't know Speaking of the iPhone 10 and that you have it I think the the phone is doing something similar to that At the edges of it because the universe the phone kind of curves off at the edge And I think they're doing something similar to on the phone where they're rolling the Oled panel and I think they showed that off in the keynote I don't know, maybe I can find an image of that where it's rolled But that's a cool technology and if we can get it to the scale of TVs, that's even even more cool to me So what's going to happen though is you know how people get their newspapers right now when they're all on, you know Like actual just paper printed paper You know, what it's going to be is like there's just going to be a rolled up newspaper That gets thrown in your mailbox when you subscribe to whatever newspaper of your choice And it's just one of these like TVs, you know, or one of these displays that's rolled up with a little, you know, like It's got a network sensor. It's just like things that latest news every day They're like yeah, your sheet will go white around midnight and the next days news will come up Yep, you can just roll it up and throw it wherever, right? You know, because they show this off I mean like the flexible OLED this way is they showed off like a long time ago And uh, you know, now this is like running to a full-fledged TV So I think it's funny how they start small and then they get really big and then they squeeze it back down into small again And you see that, you know, from anything from like display resolution and whatever, right? They'll start small with like a prototype and OLED started as really small prototypes, right?

Like they started with really tiny TVs and then they made them really big and then they made it really tiny again So, you know, fit into mobile phones. So I think it's funny how you see that, you know, small big small like evolution through most of these like display technologies at least Yeah, definitely. It's uh, it's the trend. What can you say?

Um, all right. So my next pick was um one that I feel like was right at the alley of uh The Alexa everything uh or voice assistance year. Um was the first alert. Um, one link safe and sound So basically this is like a um an attempt to try to be like five things in one if you ask me Um, it is a speaker a smoke alarm and a voice assistant all in one Um for your house So the idea is instead of having to drill you know holes through your drywall or your roofing and and drop speakers in everywhere You now just put the smoke alarm up and you're kind of killing two birds of one stone because you know, you've got Um extra smoke alarms around and you've got speakers and you've got that Alexa capability in every room I thought this was just an interesting twitch.

Um, something that is clever. Um, a good way around, uh, you know, that safety issue Um, at least right now it's expensive Uh, but I I could see this actually having practical application in the future if they could partner with somebody If they can partner with those or somebody like that, they might actually be able to to get this to fly a little longer And um, you know, I just struggled to see them probably get past Um, you know, this year with, uh, this idea at least right now because they're let's face it They're not a speaker company. They're not a company that handles voice assistance Um, but I can see they want to partner and uh, if they partner with the right people They might be able to kind of give this to have some legs So so this this first alert, right? Yeah, they're they're making this and they're featuring it as an alarm and speaker with Amazon's voice assistant So it's a two in one thing because it's a carbon smoke and carbon monoxide alarm, right?

So it sends alerts to mobile devices tells you the type of location of emergency in your home, like that don't make sense But how many smoke slash carbon monoxide detectors do you have in your house, right? You have one in every room. So is this going to replace the one in every single room? Hey, Adam I have four in my living room because it needs to round sound in the living room, okay?

I'm talking about that just the smoke detectors, right? You know, I know, but you know if I want to But I know you want to put four of these yeah, I got it before let's see that that's the thing like Yeah, I don't think this is going to be the thing that you you know run all of your stuff through And I think they're kind of like pointing that out as like extra, you know features That's just craft that they don't need right they could make this like a speaker that has smarts But it doesn't need to like be a decent speaker. It doesn't need to have all these things like those are plusses But I don't know I think Most people like you said is this gonna be something that yeah, you walk into the room and you play stuff through the speaker There just happens to be your carbon monoxide alarm But then when it has to go through an update like oh, it's updating and it forgot to do its thing or now It's not you know affecting or working the right way like some things I think get too smart and this isn't really something we talked about you know yet But I think putting it digital assistance and everything is you know, okay. Yeah, fine Like there's a limit right?

I don't need a smart, you know smoke detector I like all I need is for it to go on and off like you remember the nest protector, right? That was like a thing made by nest and it was a you know carbon monoxide smoke detector And they had problems with them because they weren't detecting smoke the right way or they weren't loud enough or whatever Wasn't they had to issue all these software patients like that's the last thing I want to like fail or have an issue is like something That's meant to alert me when something is actually wrong And you can have there's a zero tolerance, you know for failure in this area So first alert them billing it as what it's supposed to be it's great But the more you add on to that the more complexity the more layers you add the more failure points They are and this is something I would never want to fail So yeah, it's cool. There's a speaker and everything But if it doesn't tell me when they're smoking carbon monoxide in my home like get the fuck out of here Like I don't even want to pay eight dollars for that Yeah, I definitely understand that and um, I I do wonder should they maybe consider just like building a similar version of their first alert, you know System that is just the speaker, you know, maybe we'll want the the speaker side of things And this is a really easy way for people to kind of hang speakers while having to, you know, drop speakers everywhere in house And um, you know, I can understand it has some lucrative sides to it that way They can make it a really low profile and um, you know, sell them at, you know, half the price or a quarter of the price And that way you could have sound in every room. That would be cool, you know So maybe they should you know, quote unquote pivot right at him and uh, and consider that as an option Yeah, really just get rid of the other stuff like it's cool if you have a speaker In a school if you have, you know, like voice commands But like I don't need you to ask me like or say like hey, you smoke alarm.

What's the weather like today? You know, I don't want that. I get that it's, you know, killing multiple birds with one stone But like man, you talk about things that are single function and should remain single function Like alarms are one of them in my opinion. Fair enough.

Fair enough So uh, the other thing I put on here was a laundry folding machine So I know I think we had talked about this at one point And uh, there were a couple of these that kind of were at CES and one of them was like one that was $1,000 And that's a crappy one. That's the one where it's like you have to do most of the work, you know, but The one that I put in here was a $16,000 one Which has its own built-in AI and does like digital imaging of the clothes that you put in there Processes, you know, like what type of clothing it is and then calculates like how it needs to fold it And it will basically go through and fold all the clothes for you So I was like, you know what? Like I have a hard time, you know, like it's really boring folding all the clothes Like I don't actually like doing that So having a robot do that would be really nice and seeing you know, like this is one of the first, you know Actual like I said ones that I would actually want to try or actually want to see in action So I put a $16,000 laundry folding machine in my uh, in my picks here So if someone wants to come fold my laundry for less than $16,000 a year Like I'll pay you, you know, less than $16,000 a year to do it, but yeah, holy crap Your budget for folding laundry is really high. You say I throw money at problems Yeah, I know I don't throw money at many problems But what I do, they're the most ridiculous problems out there.

Holy shit Yeah, I'm pretty sure we can get you some serious laundry folding for 16 grand a year Like I'm pretty sure for like maybe a grander to a year You could just like send it out to a fluff and fold and never have to see it No, see, but it has to be done in my house And I had to be able to call them like three in the morning because you know like the laundry comes down It's like I have the laundry I'm not gonna like start folding all my laundry at three in the morning Like I need to have someone do it So if someone's gonna come out and I'm gonna pay them less than $16,000 a year They have to be willing to come like at the drop of a hat where I just call them and say like Hey, I got laundry needs to be folded or not even that because this has an app So I need an app to like just summon like someone to fold all my laundry immediately Like maybe a tax grab a thing like I'm sure there's a market for that somewhere, but oh yeah, definitely Um, so question Does it like get the laundry out of the dryer and you know or do you have to like How do you have to give it to the robot? Like what is that process like this? That's the part that I just I'm not grasping and apart that I'm like Okay, are we gonna defeat half the purpose here because I have to like essentially stack all the shirts up first So it knows like feeding shirt feeding it a shirt and then it folds them or how does that work? You basically just toss out your clothes in it and it sorts through all of them and folds it Okay, I'm watching the video right now and just kind of the demos that they had to see Yes, but you still have to take it the last mile so you still have to you know take it and put it in there And then uh, I guess there are still some problems with this this while I'm watching it didn't fold their stuff after 15 minutes But anyway, but you put all your stuff in there that's clean and it's gonna go through the clothing and identify it and fold it How it should so whereas with other ones, right?

So you put all these shirts on this actual like thing and you lay it all out nice and flat I think with this one you just like toss the clothes in there And it grabs them and figures out an audience and does everything that needs to do to get the full the clothes folded Okay, yeah, I just put the video on on on mute and yeah, I can kind of see it doing it saying that That's cool. I'm I don't know that I paid 16 grand for it, but um, you know, I mean I do hate folding laundry Just like you um, but uh, I that's not a 16 grand kind of problem for me. I don't know man like It's one of those things. It's like One of those things you never want to have to do right like I don't know person who like enjoys folding laundry Like maybe some people do like maybe it's a good way to like be compressed and there's you know, not a lot of stuff you need to do but Something for me would just be like one of those things where I just don't want to have to worry about it and I figured the amount of time that I say if that's always how I like kind of like go through everything It's like is this worth a dollar a day and this is definitely not worth a dollar a day And like it's definitely not worth, you know, a thousand dollars each time I you know fold laundry because then it has a You know do laundry 16 times before this would pay off in my opinion So definitely not worth it, but definitely one of the cool things that I saw at CS It was like this is like kind of pointless, but I see where they're going and if they can you know get the price down on this thing like sure I'm in Yeah, okay, I can see where you're out there.

Um, I uh I don't know I I find laundry to be a good podcast time So, you know, I while I fold my laundry, I definitely listen to podcasts I know it only takes probably like 10-15 minutes. It's not that long But uh, it's a good time for me to I you know chew through some of that stuff. So I don't really I don't really dread it a lot. Um, but I guess I'd say I'm not like quick to fold it either I don't like run to the dryer as soon as it's done, you know, sometimes it sits for 20 minutes It's not the end of the world for me.

So I guess my last pick was um a Neutrogena product which if you know me at all, I'm not into skincare So this is totally out of my element But um, basically this seems like a product that is kind of like a a way for Neutrogena to just sell you more quote-unquote Um, but it's a giant, you know, um way to augment your iPhone Um to turn into essentially what your dermatologist has, you know, a nice camera with a, you know, lots of light to um make uh recommendations about your skin to you and um, you know, basically this product seems to suggest Uh more products to you that Neutrogena thinks might help you or improve your skin and so on and so forth So that was interesting from like a healthcare perspective of you know, hey like skin cancer is a huge problem Um, let's face it. Um, most people don't wear sunscreen as much as they probably should Um, but the the product itself and the the idea of augmenting the smartphone At least is understandable to me and one that I think for a lot of ladies This is probably something they would consider for me as a dude. I'm good I don't really put a whole lot on other than lotion. Yeah, like I put on daily sunscreen.

You should put on daily sunscreen loo As a thing. Yeah, I don't I don't generally put on daily sunscreen. Um At least right now my lotion I think not I think but I think the lotion has like I don't know SPF 5 or something tiny And it's not like you know SPF 15 or anything But that's good enough, right? Like that's a good daily sunscreen.

But I definitely do when I go to the beach I uh, I'm a little white pasty boy. So I uh My favorite sunscreen of choice is uh sun sun bum. I don't know if you've uh heard of that brand But you're a big white pasty boy and sun bum is a bitch to put on. Oh sun bum is is is nice It's I don't know.

It just it feels way better on my skin than some of the others because I don't tend to Essentially get it to go in my eyes or anything else and you know get in the water and then it's like everywhere So I don't know sun bum too is the last um it's expensive. Don't get me wrong 15 bucks at 2 but it seems to hit me through like a week at the beach and um, I don't come away with uh It's terrible burn. So that's the one I go for but um, this back to the nutrient product in general Um, their app does like a whole bunch of you know recommendations and and gives you like scoring and and you know It's it's uh, it's an interesting product It's something that I think is a company that has nothing to do with tech kind of trying to um dovetail and detect a little bit Which is interesting. So it's funny because you know when I saw this in the show notes I was like, oh, yeah the little dot that you put on your fingernail, right?

And that's not what this is. So I was a little confused because that was something the impression was the other thing I didn't think it was like a camera like a I think so now I have to find out that fingernail dot Uh product that was announced. I don't want to say it was no nutrition. I want to say it was like low reality or something like that, right?

Yeah, a wearable so tiny. Yep, this tiny little wearable. That's what I thought you were talking about I don't know why but you know I thought this was uh, this was pretty interesting this uv sense and I think it kind of does the same thing It all does is measure the uv exposure Um, so I know that's the only one thing right, uh, and your other thing is doing a bunch of like skin score and stuff like that But I mean you talk about it like a really tiny wearable just to tell you like hey It's really sunny outside. You should put on some uh sunscreen.

You know like okay, I get it But like it was just it's funny to see how small these things get and I know that's totally not what your thing is about But this is what I thought you were you hadn't here when I looked at the show notes and I think this is more interesting Okay, well you have to send me that link over when I want to take a look at it. I hadn't seen this so But you didn't see that one? No, I didn't see it at all. So go to send me that Um, I'll send you something.

I don't remember exactly what it was, but Uh, I'll have to find a better link like I'm just shocking links to you right now Yeah, fun. Yeah, and it just monitors your uv exposure So it kind of tells you when you're burning Yeah, it's like hey, the sun is really really really powerful right now. Like you're getting lots of sun Hey doofus. You're gonna wake up tomorrow like right is a tomato.

You should put some sunscreen on But you know what like it's one of the things where you know we were kids We went out in the sun and like did our thing, you know and didn't really care as much I guess and now it's like God forbid you let your kids outside, you know for 10 minutes without sunscreen You know, it's just the worst thing on the planet And I think we're just all a lot more like aware of all the stuff that's happening just because so many studies have come out And so many things say like hey, you know, you should really pay attention to stuff So I think anything that kind of like builds those healthy habits of knowing when you are being exposed to something that could potentially be harmful I mean kind of spoke to everything right like believe it out there used to be days You know where people didn't have smoke detectors and that was a bad thing go figure So I think just anything we can do and you saw the wearables market take off a lot and how people kind of adopted like fitness and healthier lifestyles I think now, you know, we're kind of like all right Well now we need to take that into health right where you're taking just care of yourself and maybe exercising was one thing But now you're taking care of your skin you're taking care of your, you know, food that you eat and all that kind of stuff So this kind of ties in with your with the new tajina thing too, right? It's like taking care of your skin and making sure that you're not having anything harmful You know where anything needs to be checked out or all this other stuff so giving you the tools that you need to be healthy and happy and fit and Invirtual reality where you don't have to have any of those things Very true. Very true. Well, I guess that pretty well sums up our kind of best of picks But it wouldn't be complete if we didn't point out some of the worst of of this year's CES So Adam, I know you you dropped it here at Blackberry.

They're still alive. Yeah, I was like Blackberry question mark Are they still alive? What did you see from Blackberry this year? I heard that they announced a new model or something So they had announced a new model and it wasn't like a new model of phone It was just a new model of our new color of hardware that they already have Okay, okay at this rate are they just getting like like I don't know like terrible second rate engineers coming out of like college That are just you know like oh, okay.

Well, I didn't get any offers anywhere else, but Blackberry works I guess like I just was where like people go yeah I mean it's like I can't even imagine like when if you're an engineer of Blackberry today like you're your life Oh, I mean like no no shame But man, I would I would be sad as an engineer there. Oh, yeah, it's a brand new bronze color, man Oh boy, that's what they announced is either key one smartphone that comes in a new color is bronze Ooh, so pretty the colorist they got to be going crazy over it Blackberry I'll say this is that you know Blackberry They they dominated the market for so long and then you know all the smart phones You know makers came to eat their lunch and they did and they still have some things like they still have Q and X that they develop So I think a lot of people you know going into that and Q and X is really flexible I mean like you talk about you know Carplay like that's one of the things that runs Carplay is all these cars come with Q and X and they can run Android Auto or Carplay or whatever stereo system you want them to so they still have some things going for them But they're definitely not the mobile giant that they were before and I thought it was funny You know like when you see them in the news you're kind of like what's blackberry because you always remember the blackberries as you know The crappy phones or the you know blackberry pearl or you know, whatever, you know blackberry you had at the time So it's funny to see like blackberry now this is new hardware. It's yes I'm like what and like well, it's not really new hardware. It's just a new color and I'm like, oh, okay Well, I don't care about that.

Yeah, fair true. All right, so what else do you see you saw some smart fridges? Yeah, so the smart fridges, you know, we mentioned Everything is getting smarter, right? Or they're putting all these appliances there But the smart fridges and this isn't the first year you've seen them But there was just like a plethora of them now, right?

Like everyone has their own brand But um, you've seen Silicon Valley, right? Blue like that's one of the TV shows you've actually watched yeah, I've seen a bit of it So have you well, okay a bit of it is a thing. Have you seen all of it? Not all of it.

No, I haven't seen the latest season. Oh, okay. Well, then you won't get those reference Which kind of sucks so um Basically, you know, they're whole model and I'm gonna spoil if something for you because dude It's two years after or a year after like you should have watched it by now Okay, spoil it. Basically, you know, how they had you remember when they had their big server rack and they're running it on gpu Just kind of like cryptocurrency miners, right?

And they had a name for it. Do you remember what the name was? Mmm. No, I don't recall the name.

So it's a gilfoil named Anton. That was his uh, his creation name was Anton So basically they're trying to find a way to you know, spin up enough power, you know To power up this to power up Anton and basically hook him into a network that's gonna have enough storage to you know, take over everything So they're trying to move Anton and Anton ends up breaking So they get all sad but earlier in the season they had bought the smart fridge That was like super easily hackable So they bought the smart fridge and it turns out that they basically hacked it and Anton had found a way into the smart fridge So even though Anton broke down, he had basically injected his code into smart fridge and everyone who had a smart fridge in silicon valley They were now, you know, basically running this distributed data storage network So what I whatever I see smart fridge is now. I just think uh secretly it's Anton, you know, like you know, serving up all this data, so Yeah, that's that's a good one. Yeah, smart fridges are oh, man.

I mean, I remember when tv's were in fridges The smarts that I put a link to is just it's ridiculous. Like it has the same thing. It's got speakers. It's got, you know, voice assistant It's got all sorts of stuff and it's like when you look at the press release from, you know, like Samsung It's like simplifying life with connected home control enhancing food management strengthening family connections How is a fridge going to strengthen my family connections?

Like what like oh, you can show your shared calendars on it That's not strengthening a family connection like that to know creating new ways to have fun at home I don't want to have fun with my smart fridge. I just wanted to give me my freaking cold food like that's all I want out of it Uh, I don't want to have fun with my smart fridge I don't need to have fun with my smart fridge. It's not a thing smart fridge is strengthening family connections since 2018 you can get a A stripper robot and a smart fridge and you'll be all set No, because the stripper robots gonna, you know start getting busy on the smart fridge and that's no fun for anybody Uh, okay. Yeah smart fridges.

No, we don't want them. Nobody wants them I think you and I can agree there It's me like I said some things don't need to be smart my toilet doesn't need to be smart my fridge Like I get some aspects of it like it would be great to tell me when the milk is bad Or to tell me when I need to order more stuff or to automatically order more stuff on I use the last of it, right? But that can all be done with some image scanning on the inside of the fridge But that's all I want I don't want anything on the outside like telling me what the weather is like no No, no, I have things for that and I'd rather shout that into the air I don't want to like I don't want to interact with my fridge Yeah, I totally agree and I mean as far as the toilet goes the toilet's always a funny one for me I I don't know. I I think it would be nice to have a heated toilet seat Don't get me wrong, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's smart.

I mean I can set that number That's not that hard. Just build a little knob on the end of it. It says, you know, 50 60 70 80 90 You know, I just turned the knob and there it is. It's it's that hot You know, it's not doesn't need to be like complicated.

I don't need Bluetooth speakers And I certainly don't need damn like said while I'm in the bathroom on the toilet So this is like, you know kind of getting to the robot uprising stuff Which we'll talk about more in a little bit too is like the less the less smart things you have the easier just to get around them Like you've seen all the horror stories where like the appliances come alive and start shooting at you And like they don't let you eat, you know, because they lost your fridge and won't let you in, right? Like I need a way to get around that and most of the time now It's like I'd rather have manual control for like let's say the toilet seat cover, right? Like I really have manual control where that switch I can turn off and on, you know, and just let it do a thing But I'd like that switch to be smart, right? The switch can basically say like hey I can remotely turn it on or I can turn it on at a certain time or event, right?

Like that's all that I need like the smart doesn't have to be in the actual appliance that I'm putting together The smart just has to be in the connection But you know controls the binary on off switch and that thing can be smart And I can trigger that with some other automation, right? But I don't need the fridge to do all these things or I don't need the toilets need to do all these things I just need it to do one thing and I can control when that happens with some other appliance Like I don't want I don't know I like to still the manual, you know flick of a switch and I want that to be remote as well So smart fridges don't need to be smart smart toilets, you know, like maybe because maybe you spend some time on the toilet, you know And that's an intimate time and you kind of want to, you know, do that But who wants to troubleshoot a Bluetooth connection on the toilet? I just got this like image of somebody like, you know, sitting the wrong way on the toilet Like knees back into the wall and like just like trying to troubleshoot the Bluetooth connection on the back of the toilet Rebooting your toilet? Yeah, hold on.

I can't flush. I'm rebooting Have you tried turning it off and on again? Yeah, unable to flush, rebooting. Oh good What if it sends a notification to everyone when the toilet is clogged?

Software update in progress, unable to flush, like No, I have guests coming in two minutes. I need it to finish Oh darn, I got an error message, unable to update now I'm unable to flush Break your smart toilets. I can't flush anymore Oh boy. All right, so sleep tracking stuff.

Uh, so what's what's new on this front Adam? Or is there anything? Well, yeah, there's tons of stuff that's you know claiming that it's gonna give you better sleep in We talked about this when we talked about our fitness episode, right? We were tracking, you know, certain aspects of like sleeping and tracking data and how sleep was one of the things where we're both kind of tracking But we weren't really tracking it In a way that was meaningful, right?

Like how do you track sleep in a meaningful way? And there's all sorts of like stuff out there's like, oh well, we can detect when you toss and turn or we can detect when you're on bremsleep And this and that so there were all these things that see us this year where it was like a mass that it's light, you know, in the morning You know to help you wake up. I'm like, yeah, well, we have a thing that doesn't already It's called the sun, you know, and it comes up in the morning when we should be waking up So I don't think we need that and then all these other things like we can simulate, you know pulses, you know And gentle audio or sine waves to the brain, you know, to help you fall into REM sleep and there's all this stuff out there That's gonna get you better sleep and better tracking and none of it's actually proven like there's not really any real research that's gone into this stuff So it's almost like Someone trying to jump on the bandwagon for something that doesn't need it right like smart fridges That's you know, just it seems senseless and meaningless but trying to provide something that Is giving you a number that you don't know or you don't understand or you don't know how to take action on It is stupid in my opinion And I think all the sleep tracking stuff that comes out is like Is pointless, right? I haven't tried it so I can't say for sure that like oh my gosh You know, maybe the placebo effect is so strong that I put this thing on and like I fall asleep like a baby every night But I I'm good enough with knowing I went to bed at this time I woke up at this time and I went back to bed or I went to bed and then I woke up in the morning and that's it, right?

Like the rest of the stuff I feel like there's not enough meaningful data Or there's not enough real research or proven ways that people can like help improve your sleep So all these smart devices are coming out are just kind of like like you said throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks Yeah, I mostly have to agree with you and I don't know a very little pity for people in this area because I don't have a sleep problem I go to sleep. I don't know why I just have never really had a problem sleeping So I go to sleep and so for me sleep tracking is like I I'm like you out of my mainly want to just know when I went to bed when I woke up So I know I'm getting roughly the right amount of sleep not the quality so much And hopefully, you know, someday down the road there will be some research that proves, you know Quality is good to know and here's a great product that can do it, but for right now it's it's kind of the Wild West Look at all the numbers we can provide in your sleep. It's like, well, what do I do? Oh, I don't know Did you try any mattress?

Well, no, do I need a new mattress? Well, it might help What try different pillow go to bed earlier? Maybe don't drink wine before bed like Drink drink wine before bed and I will be asleep like a baby in no time, but that's a whole other thing Um, all right, so last but not least the three thousand dollar spot robot dog. What is that spot robot dog?

It's what I bow right by Sony. I don't know. I'm just calling it spot because it's the dog So dude, did you see this thing? No, I'm clicking on the link now So yeah, so I bow is a Is a just a division of Sony I believe that's been out for a long time and like there was a big kind of following around it And they kind of support a while back and basically people were really upset because they had like gotten to know their pets And they're all about making these you know, like robot pets So people had robot pets these little dogs, you know, and they're supposed to behave like pets and you treat them like pets and But they're just little robots so Sony announced basically a new version of that like a resurgence of this I bow, you know Like product line and they have this dog which is a three thousand dollar dog and it's got some OLED eyes So it's really expressive it's got a bunch of touch sensors on it.

It's got a camera on its nose So we can to know who it's talking to you. It's got a bunch of AI put in it So basically it will behave like a dog It'll be expressive and it'll bark at you and when you pet it's little back it'll wag its tail And it's got a little camera on its butt So it's knows you like how to orient itself and how to find its charging spot So it can go sit on that and recharge and takes about three hours I think to recharge is one of the things I remember from the video It's got to sit on its charging spot. That's just too good. He's got to sit on it, you know Get those electrics, you know, right up.

It's, you know, charging point. Oh, yes, yes, okay So and apparently it's got like AI those hands like so the family members that play with it more, you know, it behaves different with them It's more loyal to them because they play with it more and I'm like, oh my god And then they're talking all about this like yes, it's gonna start at $3,000 my $3,000 Think of think of this like I don't know. I mean three grand. I actually can somewhat I don't know I can get over that because people pay stupid money for dogs Well, stupid money for a real dog, right?

Like it's a real dog that actually has a personality It's not a manufacturer personality But I'll throw this out there is that's really hard to rent places that are dog friendly or pet friendly So you talk about well, I have a dog it's a robot dog So it makes no mess, you know, it doesn't do anything, you know bad It's But I mean, there's gonna bark and like, you know, like come greet you when he gets home or is it gonna have to hobble off his charging stand like Walk up to you and like yeah, that's that's totally what I imagine too is like it Here's the noise in the house when it comes, you know You know, waddling over as fast as it can when you get home and it's like you're never gonna go like play fetch with it You're not gonna take it to the dog park. You're gonna be like, yeah, I'm the lame dude with the robot dog here You know it's like Oh dog beach is not a thing And you know what happens when you wake up in the middle of the night and you're staring this dog like right in the face Like because it got off his charging spot Somehow find his way up onto the bed and it's staring at you that's right in your into your soul with its OLED eyes And it's blinking at you and you don't know what to do like there There is like the shit of you know nightmares like I don't want to be anywhere around a robot dog uprising Does it get vicious? Does it like will it bite me? Could it like bite the kid, you know They can think of a bone and who knows, you know, the actuators that they put in there What actual strength they can you know do but the more they make them like real dogs the more that can probably actually hurt you I mean the reason I ask is like the dog it the dog is in my life I mean like the dogs pretty much on Prozac so because the dog is a little a little nut He's a little edgy he was a rescue and so the dog has to be like a little bit, you know, you know sedated that way he's got to be on his chill pills So, you know, I'm like, hey, maybe the $3,000 robot dog won't, you know, bite somebody or me like, you know, my dog would basically Maybe you gotta, you know, like open the app and give us some chill pills if it's too hyper You know, when it makes a mess on the ground, you know, like this reminds me of like those like tomagotchies But like this is like the tomagotch on like steroids You see like I don't want a real tomagotchie like I don't want that like if anything give me a virtual reality dog, you know Like okay, that's fair.

I think that would be better. That's fair Because you can simulate a little more and like you could do a little more with that dog I mean, this is just a little robot. It's a little tiny robot. I mean, it's not that big It's a little chill wall besides robot and it's gonna yeah, I don't know I saw it and I saw the $3,000 and I'm like, this is this is what's gonna happen The smart fridges and the robot dogs are going to take over and they're gonna uprise and they're gonna be some AI They basically take over all the robot dogs and all the smart fridges doesn't let us eat anything and then we're constantly tortured by these dogs, you know Making us all sleep deprived and it'll be the end of things.

Okay, very true. Our sleep tracking stuff will basically say you're not getting enough sleeping Like I know my fridge won't open and my dog keeps bugging me All right. Well, uh, I think we did a pretty decent first stab at a CES post show. What do you think out of?

CES the crap show that it is right like what we're gonna do to talk about the funny things I don't know maybe like the best of like I could probably live it. That's like three things next year like all right cool Yeah, these are the best things and let's just talk about all the crap stuff because yeah, it's way more fun It totally is it's way more fun CES CES well, um in a little bit of other news. I I did send out a blink this week to uh A overcast client that is for the Mac. Um, it's it's not a client.

I should say it's like an attempt at at wrapping the web view Um, but uh, it's one probably the best one I've seen because I'm not a big fan of using the actual web client That Marco has like built out because I tend to be like a a quitter of applications I know Adam. This is probably not your case You probably have safari open like all the time but I quit safari when I'm not using it So for me, so just have that open and be like, oh god, why don't dig I just quit it and now I lost the podcast I was just saying too So for me to have this running in the menu bar and for it to look similar to the app is kind of cool Um, but I would love to see just a full on uh, you know application instead of the stupid web view So yeah, I don't know My whole thing like I tried podcast clients that had actual Mac clients So I was on I think insta-cast before I switched to overcast and insta-cast had a Mac client and an iOS client And I can honestly say like sync was great But the amount of times that I use the podcast client on the Mac were few and far between still a few and far between that I didn't feel like I even justified paying the money that I did for insta-cast So I can understand and I can kind of you know Make peace with the fact that Marco doesn't want to let's say like develop an overcast like Mac app but I don't I don't do a lot of listening on the Mac like when I'm on the Mac I'm doing stuff on the Mac and I can put a podcast on just on the phone right or whatever and I can have something else You know where there's an actual client and a better response to that and I'm missing keyboard shortcuts and a bunch of stuff But I don't see the need for it and you brought up like a bunch of disdain And I know like you typed this in here and then I put like a bunch of bullet points Just like venting basically on the on the use of like web views and web appliances like this thing's great Right? Yeah, it put something in the menu bar and wraps in a web wrapper and like remask it and like puts its own little custom UI on it It's like I fucking hate web view applications. They're just they're they're crap They're the worst thing so I'm looking at you slack and I'm looking at you You know every other thing that uses like a web interface to basically say like hey, you know what?

We're gonna give you an application like awesome an app that's gonna run native on the device It's gonna be because you'll optimize and then you boot it up and it's like log in and I'm like this is a web view Yep, it's a web view And just like kill me man like they're just they suck so much. I feel your pain I definitely feel your pain so I understand from that perspective This is just kind of like for me the first one It's like I don't know I've seen a few others and they were like terribly hacky And this one at least kind of feels like the app in the sense that it looks like the frickin app But so someone put a little bit of work. I do it which is cool, but um, but beyond that Yeah, and I mean I understand I respect mark I was decision to not make if I'm like because you know, I don't know how many users he has above a cast but it's From what he talked about on the watch and how many people use the watch app I'm pretty sure it would be about the same for the back I mean we're probably talking single digit percentage of people that would use it, you know on any constant basis And so for that to be said it just it would be silly I think for him to develop it but what I love it Sure, I would because I would I would probably be one of the few that used it I still do pause play and stuff on my watch, but is that quite a bit so I personally would use it But I'm I realize I'm one of the few and like I understand that you know, why would these exist? I understand why these applications do that because like I said In a constantly changing landscape, right?

It's easy to write something that's universal that can be universally rendered in any browser and run, right? There's there's some real value to that right? It's one of the things why Java was so popular right where you could you know write once and then You can compile onto many right? You could write just one set of code pseudo code and that would you know compile out to machine specific code for whatever operating system you're on Which is why Java, you know, was a was a big thing But there were a lot of problems with Java apps and we have those same problems with web view apps is They work, you know to get the job done But anytime you try to do anything complex or anything with performance like they're just lacking in that area There aren't good ways to do that.

There's still a lot of bottlenecks and as you know web standards kind of open up Like some of those have been solved but it's still it's still tough to do and like I said I understand it because who wants to you know, right? Let's say a Client for you know the watch and a client for the phone and a client for the iPad and a client for Windows and client for Android and a client for Linux, you know, who wants to do all that if I can wrap it in a web view, you know And basically say like here's a web portal to where you can access it anywhere No matter what operating system on as long as I support open web standards I get that I get that it's easy But sometimes the easiest approach is the best approach and for something that I use every day I don't want it to be a web view application. Well, that's fair. I understand where you're coming from on that I'm sorry.

My rant is over. I'm done All right. Well, I think that does it for us this week If you can do rate and review us on iTunes I know that's something I didn't plug last week and I'd love to see those ratings and reviews go up and Don't forget to follow us on Twitter at cgfmcast If you have some time drop us a line there or bug at him, please Yeah, please like rating and review on iTunes I know it's something that you know everyone says in podcast But it really does help kind of like surface our podcast to more people and kind of keep the lights on for us Which is which is a great thing. So if you do that just it takes you know two minutes It would really really help us out and we'd really appreciate it So what's the next week is that the awkward goodbye that we're gonna go with?

Yeah, yeah, we can go with that It's a nice like 30 second and then see you next week on down. Yeah, right? It's a nice little pause and then see you next week I'm down We already have you campsite up There's next time tichy cam because we don't need a seven gig file to go along with the rest of the recording All right, come on I don't want to sit here and wait for a seven gig file to download the last time I had to do that I was like oh And this this is this is probably How many of this? Wait, wait, don't get rid of that one like that's a one interesting one the belkin smart bridge we mo home get Don't get a crap about that Speaking of uh I'm using the toilet though.

I'm gonna run real quick and I'll be right back I make the mistake I make the mistake of uh, I bring like 40 ounces of water And um, I drink all my water in the first like 20 minutes It seems like every episode and then like I'm like god a terrible decision We're two hours in and now I gotta go