026: You're Worth A 99¢ Super Like

It was fun to actually meet up with you this weekend, have some lunch at him. Yeah, one of the rare occasions where we see each other in person. So thanks for making the drive up all the way from Southern California. That's two-hour drive, right?

It's not that far. Two hours, yeah. And the hard run is, I mean, you know this, and anybody who lives in California knows this. It's like, you get over the grapevine, and there's a long, like, four hours of just fields, farms, and not a lot of fun.

Oh, and smelly cows, don't forget smelly cows. Guys isn't that bad, though. It depends on the season that you go, right? Summer's definitely worse.

You get the nice fresh, steamy, you know, cowpiles. But it's not fun, depending on the route that you take. But I mean, if you want to take the scenic route, like, you know, might as well just spend two days, you know, trying to drive up, you know, from Southern California to San Francisco. But if you want to take, you know, like the one-on-the-one, it'll take forever.

Yeah, we had another friend suggest taking the one back, and I was like, um, thanks, but no thanks. I've done that. I know what it's like, and it's pretty. Don't get me wrong, not complaining about that.

But I'd like to get home before, like, you know, Monday, and it's the weekend. So that's going to be a problem. Everyone is doing it. And the thing is, too, like, certain sections are so closed off, like, your big server and stuff like that.

So all the real pretty, like, fun parts, especially coming from Northern California, San Francisco area is locked up. So yeah, it's, uh, wasn't in the cards this time, but it was good to have lunch with you. It's, uh, I think we're, like, on a record now. I mean, since you moved, but three years ago now or something like that, four years ago now, uh, you know, it's, uh, it's like we've seen each other twice in a 12-month rolling calendar.

This is crazy. It's twice within six months, man. I mean, it was only November the last time we were down there. That's just true.

This is true. I did see you in November. I forgot when I saw you when you were down here. We've seen each other three times now.

Oh, man. Yeah. So, so now, oh, yeah, that's right. Cause you came up, uh, before too, when you were in Santa Cruz.

Uh, so basically my, my Lou in person allotment, you know, I fulfilled for 2018. So yeah, I don't need to see you until 2019 again. We're good. There you go.

You always just, you know, flip to video chat if you, if you really feel lonely. Yeah, it's, uh, it's really funny though, because the way we record this podcast, I mean, it's, it's not video at all for us. And, but I still feel like I see you, even though I don't really see you, see you, I talked to you on a weekly basis for two hours or so. And so I still feel, uh, even though you're hundreds of miles away, I still feel pretty connected to you and what's going on in your life.

So that's kind of cool. Oh, we're still connected. And that ties in so nicely with this week's episode. Oh, that's so fuzzy.

All right. So, uh, your coffee snob, I guess, huh? What do you, uh, you be buying this blue bottle coffee now? Yeah.

So I'm a coffee snob in training, right? Um, I don't know. I've always, I don't want to say I'm addicted to coffee, even though that's definitely what it is. I have an addiction to coffee, but I never really got into brewing like good coffee, right?

I would always just, you know, take whatever, whatever bag I could get, and then, you know, roast that and we're not roasted, but buy roasted coffee, you know, just put it in a drip, drip coffee maker and then drink that. And then slowly, I kind of was like, oh, this doesn't taste that great. And then you actually have good coffee, you know, from some restaurant or someplace and you're like, wow, this is what coffee should taste like. Man, what have I been doing with my life?

So I've gradually kind of like, up to my game, up my coffee game over the last, you know, 10 years and, uh, I bought a French press, uh, right after Christmas. So I'm, you know, just bought a bag of coffee to kind of like test run that, but like, I'm fine tuning like my temperatures and you know, how much coffee and like weighing my coffee and grinding it right before and then getting the water to a certain temperature. So like, waiting 20 seconds off foil and then brewing it for an exact amount of time and then pressing it. And like, I feel like I've got it kind of down.

It's a lot of experimentation, and especially like when you try to find what you like. But the next step I have is like, okay, well, I've been using just, you know, just store bought coffee, you know, for a long time. Like, maybe I should try like actual good coffee beans. So I went on blue bottle, which is, um, a coffee grocer that's, you know, kind of based out of Northern California, they have a lot of, you know, kind of coffee breweries like up here and they roast their coffee and they'll actually ship it out.

So they roast it one day, ship it out the same day. So I went and I spent, you know, 50 bucks on coffee. So that should be here whenever. But yeah, I guess, like I said, my coffee snob level just kind of, you know, went plus one, right?

Like you leveled up. So I'll have to report back on the blue bottle coffee, but I get, I'll include a referral link in the show notes so everyone can get $10 off their next order. So try it out. Nice.

So, um, so you're getting like very, it sounds like scientific about your coffee. I should point out, I don't drink coffee. So this is something that is not my forte and I've tried, I've tried blue bottle and I've tried the other big one I feel like is, uh, fills, everyone talks about fills and they'll get me wrong. They're like, I can taste that they are better than Starbucks or like McDonald's coffee.

I get it, but it's still not a, it's a taste that I enjoy, if that makes sense. Well, yeah. So very much like a lot of things like coffee is an acquired taste, right? Or is something that you kind of get used to or once you have like a really good cup, like you start to appreciate it more and you have to know what you like, right?

I think for each person who every time you try something for the first time, right? Some things you like right away, other things, you know, people say are the more acquired tastes like a lot of people don't like beer, right? Like they don't like this to be like my wife, she hates beer and you know, it's, it's trying all these different kinds of beer and she's like, I still don't like it. And like the first time I drank a beer, you know, when I was however old, spoiler alert, it wasn't when I was 21, um, it might have been a little bit earlier than that, but I didn't like it either, right?

But I drank it to drink it. And now like, there are certain types of beers that I do like and there are still certain types of beers that I don't like, but I had to kind of go through the gamut of beers and sample everything to find what I did like. So I also, you know, kind of on that sample topic, right? I did order a sample pack through blue bottles, so that should get here too.

And then I can try each one of, you know, the coffee beans and find which one I like and then sign myself up for a subscription to get that, you know, mail to my house once a month. Nice. Very cool. Well, uh, I expect to hear a little follow up on that once you've had a little more time with the blue bottle.

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I'll drink it every day. So it'll be easy to follow up on. So also, you drop something in here about basically having some Mac OS server issues and not allowing IPv6.

What's going on? So, um, this all kind of came up when, you know, you were trying to post the last episode and you're like, Hey, like I can't get to the server, you know, I'm not able to pull down the file and I'm like, okay, well, weird. So I started looking at it and then sure enough, like I wasn't able to drill out and DNS wasn't working correctly. So I'm like, what the heck is going on?

So kind of a twofold issue. Um, I have IPv6 setup in my house. So, uh, my, my ISP, they provided IPv6 to my modem and then I, you know, just pass that need to lead to my router and then my router does basically auto configuration for, you know, the rest of the device is on the network. So I have IPv6 working, but I never mapped the our domain name to that, right?

I use dynamic DNS or DIN DNS. I use them to kind of basically map our host name to the IP since I don't pay for static IP changes. So having a dynamic DNS service is cheaper than paying for static IP. So that's what I do there.

But there must have been a feature at some point in time because I use dynamic DNS as update or client just because it was easier for the Mac and I didn't want to go through the hassle setting up like TCA and stuff like that. So when I set that up, um, I didn't really pay much attention to it. I was like, okay, cool, whatever. And then it asked for updates.

I'm like, yeah, cool update, like version update, whatever. But they at one point in time turned on their recursive DNS lookup service. So when I was having problems like getting out, I'm like, why the heck is my DNS like this? Like, because I map to open DNS, right?

For filtering reasons for the kids and, you know, a bunch of stuff there. So when like, why is the DNS server keep changing? And every time I would turn it off and on, like, or every time I changed the DNS, it would remap back. So I was like, what the heck?

So looking up the IP, I found it was from DY and DNS. And they have this feature called Internet Guide, which is just kind of like their recursive DNS. So you always go through their DNS servers to kind of, you know, map where you want to go, right? So when I go to Facebook, DY and DNS is telling me it's this IP.

So I was like, I don't want that. Like, I don't want this. I didn't want this. I never signed up for this.

I don't remember agreeing to this. So I turned that off. That was problem one. So yay.

Finally, all that's figured out. After me, you know, like being in my head against the wall changing stuff, saying like, why does this keep going back? I don't understand. And the other thing is like, okay, well, now I got that figured out.

I need to get IPv6 working. So I started looking into IPv6 because the Mac Mini I have just was not getting IPv6 addresses. Just for some reason wasn't picking it up. Like every other device on the network, super happy IPv6, all over the place.

But the Mac Mini, nope, it's like, I don't want to. So going back to my troubleshooting days, right? Just thinking back I'm like, okay, well, what changed, not much has changed, like, you know, try different network locations, right? This magic, you know, the interface is on my car.

Well, what's different, what's different between this host and this host? And come to find out that I have Mac OS server installed and Mac OS server basically says like, oh, yeah, so we're not going to deal with IPv6. So everything's IPv4. So it means that since I have the server app installed, I don't get IPv6 for some weird reason.

So that's my next thing to tackle is why that's happening. But I just found that out today. And I was a little, a little perturbed to say the least. Oh, well, that sounds like a first nerd problem.

Yeah, it definitely is. Yeah, yeah, I was like, I was like, whoa, yeah, so I totally have a little problem getting in the server. And I had no idea that I like through this, you know, shit sandwich in your lap, and was like, hey, you know, we worked around it definitely, but it was, it sounds like the solution is a lot more complex than, than I thought it would have been. Well, the solution was, you know, just my ignorance and not actually like paying attention to what was happening with, with a dynamic DNS updater.

So that's, that's on me, like, I'll take that one, you know, like, I should have known what was happening or I should have been quicker to figure out what that was. But then after that, I was like, all right, well, I'm already in here, like, I'm already wasting in the sludge, like, I might as well try to, you know, dig my way out and find a way to get IPv6 working. And then I just hit wall after wall, like, there was no documentation for the Mac on IPv6 auto config, because I get that it should just work, but when it doesn't work, why does that happen, right? And there was no clear indication, like, pointing me to Mac OS ever, it was just some lucky post somewhere, which is like, hey, I have a Mac that's not doing this, it's like, oh, I found out that it was server, I installed the server app and poof, IPv6 working, I was like, oh, okay, well, let's table that.

Let's put that on Omni focus for let's say, you know, a someday. I like that methodology. Hopefully we can get that fixed someday, but in some follow up from last week, I guess, so I should say, so SpaceX this week, did there like a launch of the car in the space on the Falcon Heavy? And I know we did the movie review, and there's so many parallels to Tony Stark and Iron Man and Elon Musk, but what did you think about the Falcon Heavy?

Did you like, observe the live feed or did you just catch it later, Adam? I caught it later, like, I didn't seem to live feed, but it's all over the news, right? So you get to watch it and the big thing, I was like, all right, the rockets took off, right? But their whole thing is not so much the rockets taking off, it's the rockets, you know, landing again so they can reuse them.

So that's really the part that I kind of wait for. So two out of three, they recovered two out of three rockets, right? The center one, I believe, was lost at some point, like it fell off the little floating drone water platform, or something didn't fire. They didn't even make it to the floating barge or whatever you want to call it.

Like not even close. They ran out of fuel, I think it was like 300 feet away. So yeah, that's kind of a miscalculation, because I mean, you've got to understand like any of these things, they're engineered in a way that's like, of course, they don't carry extra fuel, but they also, you know, probably have a slight reserve. So the fact that ran out of fuel is a slight problem.

Well, yeah, and like I get it that this was, you know, whole like test fire, test fire. And this was like kind of the first made in launch of, you know, this, this felt heavy. So I can understand that, right? And the other two rockets, you know, they did, you know, land back on their landing pads as they showed up so they can be reused.

So that's all well and good, right? As far as like, yeah, so I put in here that, you know, Elon Musk very much parallels Tony Stark. So did you pick that up before I mentioned it, or did you kind of start noticing it in the movie? To be honest, I probably didn't connect those two right then, but I understood that their ideas and how they process things were very similar.

But I, now that you had mentioned it, it kind of concreted that example, if that makes sense. It was, it was loosely there, but I didn't, you know, draw that firmly, you know, close. And then when you kind of mentioned it, I was like, Oh, yeah, yeah, they are very, very, very similar. Well, everyone says like, Oh, you know, Elon Musk is the real world Tony Stark, you know, where it's like, I'm sure if he gave that guy a suit of armor, right?

He's making flamethors, you know, like we talked about that last week. So sure, you know, he can, he can be Iron Man if he wants to, but I mean, as far as like, what it is like, pretty amazing, right? Like the biggest payload, I think, or the biggest rocket that they've launched since what the moon launches? Yeah, I think so.

These are like equivalent to Saturn five, I think. So yeah, I mean, these are, these are huge, by comparison to the shuttle, which is hard to imagine because the shuttle was pretty dang big. And I've seen the shuttle launch, so I can only imagine how big these things are. But I, I have to say, you know, I mean, I hope they're learning a lot from this.

And you know, I'm sure they are, but it's, they obviously two out of three on the rockets, and their trajectory is a little off. I heard that the, the car is now headed for an asteroid belt. So it's not going to make, make Mars, I guess, to like, whoops, I guess we'll see how that spacesuit holds up. Yeah, exactly.

So I don't really know, if their plan is to course correct, you know, at all, they could probably, if there's enough fuel, just fire the jets just a tiny bit and then get the car to correct and land on Mars, like they wanted to go into Mars's atmosphere or whatever. But yeah, that was a, that also seems like a big whoops, to me, because if you're going to be, if you're trying to prove to the government or to anybody, like, Hey, bring us your satellite or bring us your people, we'll send them to Mars and you miss Mars. That's kind of a problem. Yeah, do you remember there was like a, I don't know if it was like an email exchange or like a messenger exchange or a technical exchange between Elon Musk and the Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, when they were launching like Facebook satellite into space and the rocket blew up on the launch pad and like, Hey, so your rocket blew up and Zuckerberg's like, what?

No, you're joking. Like your rocket's gone or your satellite's gone. That's funny. No, I didn't see that, but that would be like priceless to see.

Two CEOs just been kind of like, uh, got some bad news for you. It's gone. Are you sitting down right now? Yes.

What was your insurance policy on that satellite? Because it's gone. I don't know if it's real, I'll have to get out. I remember seeing it a while back and it's kind of like, oh, that would be funny if it was real and then I never really looked into see if it was real, but.

Nice. Well, uh, in some other news that you got your, uh, goof board, uh, I heard. So, uh, are you, uh, fully goofing around yet? Well, I've had the goof board for, for a while now, right?

Got it. Same thing, kind of one of my big shopping spree after Christmas. Yeah, you got it. And then like, I didn't really hear much.

So are you, uh, are you like a pro at it yet? Can you, uh, do tricks on it? I didn't want to, you know, send you a video of me like with the training wheels on, right? Like, that's not very fun to watch, right?

Because it does come with training wheels. So first thing I did was put the training wheels on because I'm not an idiot. I don't want to kill myself. Whoa.

What are you talking about? I would have enjoyed like Adam falling, but that's, that's like a good like, you know, YouTube video. Yeah, I would have enjoyed that and I wouldn't send it to you. So anyway, so I've been kind of, you know, just getting, you know, my balance and figuring out, you know, like how to move around on the board.

So I sent you a video the other day, actually it was today, but it was a video from the other day of me quote unquote goofing around, which is, you know, what they call it because it's a good word. But yeah, so I started kind of getting the hang of, um, just kind of the side to side motion. So then after that, I still have to flip it 90 degrees and do the actual like surfing motion. So that one might take a little bit longer for me to get used to you, just because, you know, you have much less area to move around and almost this video to Twitter at some point in time.

But but basically, yeah, so I've been goofing around, you know, just like you've been going to your cycle classes, right? That was one of your resolutions. My resolution was, you know, like do these, you know, at my desk at some point in time or just throughout the day, you know, spend some time goofing around and sure enough, I'm goofing around. So I'm getting better at it and no tricks yet, but you know, who knows?

Maybe in another two months, you know, because it's February. So yeah, maybe in other two months, I'll have something new to show. Thanks. Very cool.

Well, and you know, to add a little note about my cycle classes, I'm doing two cycle classes tomorrow back to back because I'm crazy person. Well, okay. And this is the other thing too, is like, just because you're doing two cycle classes doesn't mean you can have four double doubles, you know, that's not how that works. Well, that's how the math works, but that doesn't mean I have to do that.

The math works if you want to, you know, maintain the current weight that you're at right now. But no, don't do that. Okay, fair enough. I won't do that.

Also, like in and out, like, come on, man, get something a little better for yourself. Like, yeah, I probably wouldn't do in and out after that. I just feel like I would, I don't know that I would want to eat something like that heavy greasy after just all that. But yeah, we'll see.

I mean, greasy, you know, after workout in and out is almost the best thing. You know, I used to write, I used to write BMX, like all the time friends, like after college, after work, you know, like we'd meet up and we'd ride all over the place. And our favorite thing to do was to go to Panda Express and order, you know, just a bunch of, you know, Chinese food and like get extra orange chicken, just get extra, you know, in a box and eat all of it and then go writing like two minutes later. And you know, we would burn so many calories just, you know, biking, you know, back and forth between, you know, like street spots and biking, biking back and forth to restaurant car, driving to another place, you know, biking around that it would negate somehow, right?

Especially when you eat all that. And you just think it's Panda, right? Like, Panda does not sit well, right? I mean, it's pretty heavy.

Like, it's a stone that gets just dropped in your stomach. So I'm still amazed that I was able to eat all that and think about a bike immediately. But granted, I was, you know, 18, 19. So that probably also factored into it.

Yeah, definitely probably would affect it in. But yeah, I'm kind of the same way. I mean, when I was younger, I could do that a lot more. And as I've gotten a little older, it's like, like, I don't know, like, I'm on the first of like, if I'm going to go somewhere, I'm probably going to go like a chipotle afterwards.

And I'm going to be like, okay, I'm going to get a bowl, I'm not going to get the tea. I'm going to, you know, I'll try to go a little more lean. Yeah, definitely do it. Anyway, so last week's episode, speaking of, you know, there was some troubles with the posting, but there was also some troubles with the chapters, you forgot that the chapters didn't get around to it.

If you want to call that trouble, yeah, I totally had trouble with my computer and I couldn't have the chapters for some reason. Mainly, it was just like, I just didn't want to have the chapters this week. Okay, so Adam was lazy. Well, yeah, it's like the last thing.

And if there's no more edits, like, I'm not back on the computer. So it's like, all right, everything's good. Like, I didn't listen through and I didn't even like put in chapter markers this week either because I was like, all right, it was, you know, CES. So everything would have been like, Oh, here's a chapter marker for this product or a chapter marker for this product.

And I didn't want to deal with that. So I also have, you know, a like a house full of sick kids. So more time has gone into like taking care of them as they are, you know, battling whatever they each have, because it seems like they kind of play around Robin as like one of them gets a sickness and then the other one gets sick and then the one who's previous to take it's something else. And they just kind of, you know, pass that around because kids are kids.

So it's that season. And you know, especially with the flu going around, like, that's in everyone's mind. So I'm taking care of that. So I'm going to use that as an excuse as to why I forgot to put in chapters this week.

Got it. Okay. Well, I wish the, the children in the household, the, you know, future of health because it sounds like that's a little trying at times if they're just constantly passing it between one and another build up their immunity. Yeah, exactly, right?

And I'm not going to apologize for not including chapters, especially to you. Yeah, you're like, Hey, are there chapters? I'm like, no, can you put a thumbs down? I'm like, whoa, okay, whatever.

Well, if there's the, if it's just a repeated event of it or pattern, I might be getting more, I might get more mad, but I don't really anticipate you like going weeks on end for getting chapters. So hopefully that's not a thing. Until I see enough reports, external reports, I'm not going to worry about it. So going forward this month, I do have to watch Mean Girls.

That's what's up next. And obviously it's kind of fitting for this month in this episode. So I will be watching that. I probably won't get to it.

Maybe I'll get to it the next time we record. We'll see. But I want to say it's probably going to be the third episode this month. So I expect to have it done then.

And I'll share my thoughts. I hope I like it. We'll see. It's comedy I heard.

So it's a more at my alley. And I've seen a few scenes of that movie. Nothing crazy. Hopefully you enjoyed this one.

I know you said we throw more comedies at you and you kind of be more apt to enjoy them. And you mentioned Mean Girls was something you have seen before. And it's a good movie. So yeah, it'll be fitting for this episode that we're going to talk about.

But it'll be a fun movie. And I'll watch it to you just because we have a good time watching it, especially in my house. So it'll be my wife and I will sit down and probably watch it when we're going to bed over the course of like three nights. We'll watch it.

Is it like the you only last 30 minutes kind of thing when you put on a movie? Depending on how late it is. Yeah. But if it's a movie, we both know we both kind of like enjoy watching.

Sometimes we'll be able to stay up to the whole thing. But if we fall asleep in the middle of it, then we'll start it over. And we'll usually like, you know, rewind the tape a little bit more to whoever, you know, fell asleep first. So sometimes we'll rewatch parts of it.

So I guess that usually takes two to three days. Yeah. Yeah. I sorted it that with.

I remember the very first time I watched it. I started it entirely too late for my for my taste. I mean, I was like midnight and I got there like 20 minutes of it. And I was like, nope, and went to bed.

And then I totally just started over and watched it again. And you need to like, I don't know, there needs to be a rule where you have to actually carve out the time sit down and watch the movie and have nothing else to do. And like, that's what I did the second time. I was like, okay, I need to like, in one sitting, you know, watch, start to finish.

And I did do that start to finish. And that was really good because I was able to kind of like, I don't want to say like, I took notes, but I like actually sat there, watched the whole movie and kind of, you know, mentally in my head created little like, you know, ideas of how the movies laid out, things I liked about things I didn't like about it. It was just taking like mental notes, I guess I should say, of things I want to talk about it. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. So just please, please, please do that. I know you will. So just please continue to do so.

Yeah. I mean, got 11 more to go. So you're already counting down. That's a bad sign.

All right. So this week is a special week in the, I guess, the lovers world. This is our Valentine's Day technology and romance episode. So I guess we should kind of start out and discuss our relationship status.

So what does your Facebook say, Adam? My Facebook, I mentioned my wife already once. So pretty sure it's safe to say, my Facebook says it's complicated. It's complicated.

Okay, perfect. It's complicated. I'm married and I have kids. So happily married with kids.

It probably goes from like married to it's complicated when the kids come in, right? Is that how that works? Like the kids get there and then it just goes to, well, it's complicated and crazy. You want to talk about complicated is we weren't married when we had our first child.

So I mean, I guess it's complicated. But yeah, we weren't married when we had our first child, but the children we've had after that we've been married. But she's going to kill me because I always forget how long we've been married. And I'd have to like look up in my calendar here and like go to our anniversary date and just hold on while I do this.

Let me see if I can find it. Stalling, sorry. Stalling. She's probably going to put it in chat before like I even get to, you know, the answer.

But we've been married for a while. I tell her it feels like it's been, you know, forever or it feels like yesterday or you can't put a number on, you know, on the time that we've been together. So there's nothing wrong with that. Do you guys, you're saying you were looking for the date of anniversary from when you got married?

Is that what you're after right now? Yeah, because I don't count anything before that. She counts the time that, you know, we've been together, but I don't count that. Okay, nine years in June.

Yep, she did throw out in chat. She beat you. So funny. And I just found the calendar in two, but pro tip out there to everybody who's married, if you put it in as a contact and say wedding anniversary and give it a birthday and put the birthday to the date you got married, it says it's night, birthday or it's 10th birthday.

Oh, nice. That's good. Can't you, I'm pretty sure there's a way to put anniversary in now under contact cards. What?

When did this happen? I'm pretty sure that's the thing now. I'll have to look into it. I'm 99% sure, though.

I have that accomplishment already. You have your, well, you're not even married. Okay, here we go. So now we get to talk about your info.

Yeah, but I still have to take her out on the anniversary. Well, that's just a day though. You don't have to know. Well, okay.

Yeah. I'm just as complicated though, because basically, we started dating, I've got six years ago now or seven years ago, technically. I've got eight years ago. Anyway, there was a small break.

There was a period where she broke up with me and she was in college and she was on the other side of the country. And so when you count days, it's a, or like when you count to like, hey, we got together in like, you know, it would have been originally in December of 2009. It's like, okay, so December of 2009, well, then we took a break and now we're back together for, you know, we took a break for like four months where she was like, hey, I need space, I'm in college, I need to do this. And then we got back together.

And it's like, do you just like concatenate the time together? How do you tell, how do you answer to people, you know? So that's always fun. You don't count it.

It doesn't count. Yeah, that's what we did. We moved the days. Or you just say, we've been together for roughly this amount of time.

I don't know. Often on, since we, you just say, since we were a certain age, minus one year or however long it was, it was. Yeah, that's, that's where it gets crazy. Because I was like, I was 19, June 17, crazy.

So, so yes, we're well taken, basically. I mean, I'm not, I don't have a ring on the finger, but I'm not planning on running away. So, you know, it's basically, we've been out of the dating world for a little while, would you say? Yeah, does, does Hillary listen to you with the podcast?

No, I don't really think she does. I think she would probably just, you know, fall asleep listening to us talk. She doesn't really like podcasts in general. She gets really mad when she's listening to the podcast because, you know, this Adam, we listen to other podcasts at very high rates of speed.

And anytime she hears my podcast, she just loses her mind in how fast it is. But even if I slow it down, she kind of just gets bored with it. It's like talk radioder. So she doesn't listen too much, but she has friends that listen.

So I'm sure someone's gonna hear this. Oh, okay. I was gonna say, like, you might have like a layer of, you know, a shield to what you say on the podcast. Well, we'll necessarily get back to her, but it sounds like it will.

So, watch yourself. Yeah, there's definitely friends that listen to it. So it's gonna, it'll get back if I say something bad. I mean, if her friends don't tell her, I will.

I'll throw you under that bus. Yeah, I know you would. That's, that's probably right up your alley. Yep.

Well, yeah, we've been off the market for a while. So it's kind of funny when we talk about, you know, like, hey, Valentine's edition, you know, because the side of our expertise or, you know, our knowledge and skill set kind of just feeds just into the anniversary thing. And I've already demonstrated that I stuck at that. So Valentine's Day is no exception for me.

Yeah. Valentine's is a fun one for us because, I mean, basically, I haven't had to do anything super crazy. And Hillary and I, you know, pretty well just plan something low-key because usually we're working and doing stuff and we don't, her birthday is like a, but a month and a half from now. So usually we do something more big forever.

They will like go away or, you know, do something like that. For Valentine's Day, it's like, usually we're like, hey, let's go to dinner. You know, nothing, nothing crazy. So, but maybe we'll flip it up one year.

We'll go the apps away. Oh, there you go. That'll be fun. So since we've been off the market for a while, things have changed a lot.

And, you know, back in, back in my day, I had to, I had to, you know, go up to a girl and basically ask her out. And today, everything's digital. It's crazy. You do all this all, like, basically behind an app.

So Adam, have you, have you even seen really any of the apps that are out there today? In the sense that, like, have you interacted with them? Have you, like, somebody know a buddy, a friend, like, have you played with any of these apps throughout here? So, I can honestly say, like, we listed a couple apps, like, when we talked about this, like, all right, so in the dating life, like, it's definitely moved towards apps, right?

Like, back in the day, what we were dating, like, the web was just kind of coming on the scene in terms of, you know, being social and interacting with people. But now, you know, it's just commonplace to have an app for meeting people or kind of finding people with common interesting like that. But I kind of say, like, I've never used apps and there's tons of them out there. Like, I've never used Tinder.

I've never used Bumble. I've never used, like, okay, cubate or anything like that. So it's hard for me to say. Like, I've seen them and I see, I've seen people use them.

Like, I know friends that have used them, single friends who have used these and I've kind of talked to some of them about it and just interesting to see, like, they all have very different mindsets in terms of, like, what they are and what they do. And I was listening to a podcast by, which is Rico Decode with Cara Swisher. And she was interviewing the founders of Grinder, which was a kind of like, social app slash hookup app for, for gay men is what it started out as. And then it kind of just was like, hyperactive in terms of like location, you could see, you know, where people were close to you and just how this community really like jumped into this app and really embraced it and kind of loved just what it did, what it offered.

And it's just how they interacted with each other. They were always looking for other, you know, gay men and finding places to hang out and all that kind of stuff. So I can't say that I've had any experience, but I've definitely listened to people who have, you know, designed these apps and their purpose. And I've talked to people who have used the apps.

And the only thing I can say is like, I haven't talked to a lot of women about this, just because like, I talked to my wife and then dating just doesn't really come up when you talk to other women when you're married, it just hasn't been a topic of conversation. So I only have like a kind of the the mail colored lens vision of this, but I've never used them to answer your question. A big TLDR. I know I haven't.

All right, fair enough. So like myself, I can say I've never used them either. They weren't really around when when I was last quote unquote dating. I mean, I guess I'm dating still.

So but they I don't have a need to use them. I'm going steady as our grandparents would say. But I have I have other friends, of course, that are using them. And I can speak to personally, the the bumble one, which I think is pretty innovative in the sense that it's a women have to initiate kind of it's kind of like Tinder in the sense like you still have to like swipe if you're from if everyone's familiar with the idea of like you swipe right, you swipe left kind of idea, swipe right, I like this person swipe left, I don't like this person.

If you two both swipe right on each other, so there's a some degree of attraction, then the woman sees that and knows, okay, he also swiped right and then can initiate if she wants it's still not a guarantee that you're going to get a message armor, which is, you know, I know women's safety is something that is like top priority in this space. So it's something that I think is much more unique because it's probably going to weed out some of the creepers a lot faster than some of the others. And, you know, I've just heard some horror stories on some of the other platforms where people show up at dates and they're like, whoa, he's like, doesn't look like that at all or that was like 10 years ago photo kind of thing. And the bumble seems to have a little bit more protection for her in place.

It's not to say that it's impenetrable. I'm sure people have found ways around it. But it's the most interesting one to me, at least from that perspective. So yeah, it's it should be, you know, guys are creepers and especially guys on the internet seems like are notoriously creeper, you know, prone.

There's a lot of creepish kind of activity there. So bumble is the one that I've also talked to people about using. So yes, it kind of has the same aspect of Tinder where it's you see a picture and a brief snippet about a profile and you either swipe a direction to indicate your interest like a pass or yes, like I'm interested. And then if both of you swipe on each other, then like you said, there's the match and then the female has to initiate the conversation.

So it kind of gives them another opportunity to kind of like back out or reach out and, you know, kind of make that first first contact. So that's great, right? I think when all this stuff comes out, right? Like everyone has seen like the stereotypical, you know, guy at a club or whatever, you know, just going up to every group of girls like, what's up?

Can I buy you a drink? What's up? My name's, you know, whatever. And if you ever watch like Jersey Shore, you know, it's like just that typical kind of, you know, pushy guy mentality, which yeah, get away from that because, you know, it's our society has changed so much.

And people who are like that, it's it's creepy. So it's great to see that, you know, these apps, like I said, they all have different mindsets, right? Tinder is basically a hookup app, right? Like that's what most people use it for grinder was kind of the same thing and they branched into like, you know, other things.

If you're looking for like, okay, Cupid or plenty of fish, right? That's more for making like, lasting relationships or algorithmically matching you to, you know, candidates, not just letting you see whoever's close to you. So I think it's interesting to see like, there's always different approaches to dating and man, like there are tons of tools out there. And we had none of these when we were dating.

So but like, tender being a hookup app, I know you kind of have something funny to say about that. Yeah, so I'm going to a couple weddings this year. And one of the weddings I'm going to is a couple that met on Twitter. And there's still a degree of like, is this really going to be a thing?

Like, I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying like, it's not going to go through, but it is a little shocking to me still today that like, two random people met on Tinder and here you are like, years later, ready to, you know, commit lifelong vows and everything. It's like, it's okay. It's just very interesting. And landscape has changed.

And I think the hardest part for me to get over is that Tinder seems to have been founded among the ideals of like a hookup app. And I think it's changed somewhat from that. It still has some of that mentality for sure. But it has gotten better than and grown beyond that in the sense that it's not all that anymore.

And for them, it worked out. Although I think it probably started that way for that. So, you know, it's, it's just funny to me that it actually succeeded. So, you know, there'll be a true Tinder success story.

There you go. They can go advertise on Tinder, right? Like, you see that with Match.com, right? It's like, they met on Match.com and they've been married for X number of years now, right?

It's like the success story is that they want to, you know, like put out there. So I'm telling you, if they haven't contacted Tinder, say like, Hey, we've been on Tinder however many years ago, we're getting married now, like, who knows? Maybe Tinder would want to, you know, like do a little feature on them or like do a little article because it doesn't seem like it's the norm, especially like you said, how that app was kind of designed or has been like accepted by the community or how people kind of perceive that app. So if they're looking to change their branding, right, or like put a positive spin on it, then there might be, you know, some feature that they can do for them.

Who knows? Yeah. I don't know if they've done anything, but I think it would be in their best interest to be like, Hey, you know, we're getting married. It's expensive.

You know, you want to do a little feature on us and maybe you pay for our wedding cake or something, you know what I mean? Like for the honeymoon, man, like, don't go, go bigger, go home. Tinder makes a lot of money on Tinder plus. So, you know, whoa, they have like, they have like a higher end here, Tinder plus.

What does this speak of? Oh, yeah. So they're super likes and Tinder too. You didn't know that?

No, dude. There's a regular like, and then there's a super like, and you only get a certain number of super likes. I do. Okay.

I don't know what this is real or not. I can't say this tell you the specifics because I haven't used it, but I know that, you know, the last time I'd heard about it because it's covered in the tech, you know, world is Tinder was free, right? Like they didn't have really a source of revenue. So like, well, how do we monetize, right?

It's kind of weird to put ads in the middle of, you know, dating app as you're swiping, you know, across things. But like, oh, well, what if we, you know, have people pay for super likes, right? Or you can only dislike so many things, you know, for the day and then you're done. Just like, encourage like engagement and to get people to pay into something.

So they had like, Tinder plus, right, which was, you had regular Tinder and then this plus feature, which was, you could super like somebody like, oh, I really like this person. I want to swipe right so hard, you know, however you want to phrase it. So you could give them a super like, and they would see that as like, this person really likes you so much that they paid, you know, 99 cents to like you that much. So it's a thing in Tinder.

So that's, that's funny. I like you 99 cents worth, you know. Yeah, exactly. Like you're worth $1 in my life.

I'm super like you so hard, Lou. Oh, thanks Adam. Yeah. So Tinder, Tinder success, sorry.

It's an interesting one. But there are obviously other ways people meet too. I mean, in today's digital world, there's, there's old school, I'm going to say like websites are ways to meet people. And then there's like kind of niche websites.

And so, you know, we talk about like the, you know, the Myspace, the Facebook, like those are still ways people find people. And I mean, this is in some ways, the way, you know, Hillary met me is that I met her in person. And then she went home and she found me through Facebook, you know, later. And so this is totally something that kind of when we were getting together in 2009, this was the way in which things progressed.

But there's also like some really niche ones. And I think some of these are really funny. I mean, some of these you hear about like on like wait, like farmers only, or like Christian Mingle, but like J-Date, I don't know, had you heard of that one Adam? Yeah, I heard of J-Date, right?

Like the Jewish community can get together, right? Like where it's a Jewish only, right for J-Date and then farmers only, only farmers, you know, got to, you know, get those cattle ranchers and all those stealthy men, you know, lifting hay bales all day. I think the farmers only one is like my favorite. Like, I love that.

Like, you don't have to be lonely at farmersonly.com. Like that's their tagline. It's like, they just assume that farmers are going to be lonely all the time, right? Because you're a farmer.

It's hard to get out there and you know, make time when you have to wake up at 5am and you know, milk the cows and feed the chickens. Like, come on, man. Like, no. Like, I don't know what you advertise on your farmersonly accounts.

Like, I have 2000 acres of, you know, like pistachios. Like what do you think? Pistachios, this kind of, you know, gets into the next thing that we kind of want to talk about, which is, yes, these old school websites were ways to kind of easily meet people without having to go out and person to meet them, right? And to use like a plane of fish analogy, right, you could cast a wider net, right?

You'd say like, hey, like, I want to see people with this interest, right? And now you suddenly have access to all these people in with the web, right? Which is definitely kind of like what I was into as well, right? You would meet a person, right?

Or you would meet them, you'd see them like on my space, like a friend of a friend or on Facebook as a friend of a friend, and then you'd start talking to them either reach out to them that way. Or if you met them in person, like at a party or something like that, you start talking to them, and then you see that they have a Facebook and kind of continue that conversation. Let's say it's someone you know, you kind of casually bumped into, you didn't get their phone number, anything like that. So you didn't have to be kind of creepy and go like ask someone for a phone number or just hope that you bumped into that person again, you know?

You could just kind of reach out to them on Facebook and that was it kind of accepted at the time. But I think the really cool thing is, as you get into like you said, the more hyper-focused ones is, it lets people of all walks of life, you know, find people with common interests, right? Whereas, you know, someone with a very unique interest or like, hey, I'm really interested in this and it's really important for me to have a partner who's also interested in this, right? It's now easier for them to find each other, right?

We mentioned that, you know, this podcast, you know, which in the old days would have to be done in person, right? We'd have to be sitting in a room talking to each other. Now we can do it, you know, so far away. The same kind of applies to, you know, the dating kind of realm these days is you can meet people from all over the world, you know, they don't have to speak the same language, they don't have to, you know, live on the same continent, right?

Like you can talk to anybody and it's kind of the beauty of technology that you can connect with people who have those same interests, you know, that you have, which may not be, you know, something common that you would find just in your, like, your local neighborhood type thing. Yeah, that's definitely very true and it is cool that you, there's all these niche sites that can do that and it's interesting because the, I can say Hillary has some experience with J-Date in the sense that where she went to school for college, there was just happened to be in an ordinary amount of Jewish kids that were going to college and so like all her friends were on J-Date and she said it was, it was just really interesting because it was basically a conglomerate of are you on Tinder, you're on J-Date and there was, you know, it was, it's basically something that was driven a lot by, you know, morals and, and parents that are like, hey, you're going to get married to another Jewish person and you're going to go through that or whatever and so it's funny that these niche, you know, sites or platforms kind of come up to, you know, fill those voids for these people. Well, yeah, and you can take, um, you can take the other side of the coin too, which is like, hey, you know what, we should all be grown up enough to, you know, accept everyone for who they are and what they like, you know, but it just makes it easier to feel comfortable in that environment, right? To be surrounded with people, you know, and that's what, you know, most social humans be, right?

You surround yourself with, with people who have common interests or, you know, that's your interest that you have. So I guess I just, this is another way to facilitate how to do that, but man, like, I'm going to have to try to get my old MySpace profile because I haven't seen that thing in a long time, you know, and MySpace is one of the first ones where you could actually make like your custom profile, right? She was trying to do it to impress people and, you know, just throwing a bunch of shitty CSS and HTML to, you know, put together glitter all over the page and have music and songs on your, you know, profile stuff like that. Like, oh, so good.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I can, uh, I can dig mine up. Um, I don't know that I, I'm scared to link to it because good God, what is the picture? Yeah, who's who bought MySpace? Because I know like, it's transferred hands a couple of times now.

Also, is Tom still on MySpace? That's a funny question. He's probably just like paid to be on there still. I doubt he wants to be on there.

You think he's also gonna be like, it's in his contract, like whenever they sell MySpace, like, Tom, we're gonna buy MySpace, but for you to get, you know, your money, we need you to post at least once a month to MySpace. He's like, oh, really? Like, what am I gonna, what am I gonna post in MySpace? Like, there's no one here.

Because it was funny. I know, like, they started as a social company, right? Like, it was there, it was your space, huh, MySpace? And you can make it however you want it and then they started adding music and then they kind of doubled down on the bands, you know, things where all these bands were on MySpace and you could listen to a band's album or see their tour dates and all that kind of stuff.

And after that, I kind of stopped following them and they fell off the face of the planet, but I don't know. Like, to me, that was the original, you know, like, dating scene for me, right? Like, if you wanted to consider the time that I would be online dating, which I kind of like got out of the dating scene right around the time that everyone was going into, you know, the online dating, but my exposure was MySpace and that was about it, right? I never, never got into, you know, farmers only because, you know, grew up on a farm, never got into the farmers only set of things.

So a little real-time follow-up. It looks like that MySpace was bought by Rupert Murdoch's news corporation. And it was snagged for $35 million, but it was valued at $12 billion at its height. So basically it was sold for Trump Change.

Well, yeah, that doesn't mean that's what it was valued at when they sold it, right? But yeah, at its height, right? When everyone was using it, sure, like put up a giant valuation on it, but the rise and fall of tech companies we all know is something that happens every day. So it's hard to stay relevant in this, you know, when you see that now with like Twitter, especially in Facebook, it's like, how do we, how do we stay relevant?

And, you know, Facebook's their mission statement is basically, we want to connect the world, right? And that's, that's a pretty, you know, far-reaching mission statement and basically it's like, okay, well, if you want to connect the world, we expect you to see, you know, growth until you hit, you know, 6.5 billion people or whatever it is, right? Minus kids and, you know, all that stuff. But yeah, I mean, until everyone has a MySpace or sorry, not MySpace Jeez, until everyone has a Facebook, you know, everyone's logged in on Facebook, then they still got some work to do, right?

But I don't know, just connecting all walks of life. I think just the TLDR for the dating life is you have a lot more tools than you used to have. Very true. And, you know, a lot of these allow you to, you know, meet others with, you know, common interests.

So that's, that's kind of cool. But I don't know if, I don't know, there's some really niche ones of these. But I, I, I'm not, I don't know, if I was in the dating world right now, I don't think I would, I would be in any niche interest. But I can, I can guess some people like to be around people that are just like them.

I personally am someone who values the differences in who we are as human beings. But it seems like it would be interesting for a relationship to, you know, just kind of be some patico that way, you know. Well, you know, so I put some things in here, right? Like something that let's say wouldn't necessarily be like at face value, right?

So some people, you know, who are like furries, right? Like there are communities based around that now online. So whereas before, you know, you put in your profile, like you might just on a normal site, just put who you are, right? And what you do.

And for a lot of people who are, let's say, because, you know, our society is the way it is. And some people will kind of look at this in a different light than they should in a darker light. The people feel safer, you know, expressing themselves in a, in a community of their peers. So let's say, you know, you take the, for example, you have a place to kind of go and express yourself, and you can be yourself there, right?

You can feel like you're not putting up a front. And I think that was kind of the whole point of putting in this common interesting, right? Like if you're really into like Dungeons and Dragons, or you're really into cars, or you're really into gaming, or you're part of the LGBTQ community, right? Like, there's a place for you on the internet, like there's, there's all these kind of niche places for you to express yourself and be comfortable.

And I think that's like the big takeaway, right? Is there's these, you know, places where everyone is and that's, you know, like the mall, you go to the mall and you sail this place. And it's like, there are, you know, other places where you can go where it's like, almost like, what do they use to call like user groups and stuff like that, right? For when people get together and, you know, meet at a common place.

But now they have this all over the internet. So you get to find like-minded individuals or people that might share the same interests as you that maybe other people won't understand or don't understand or you feel they don't understand. So that's, I think the big call out there. Yeah, that makes sense.

And I can understand the, the, if you're very niche, I mean, for example, you're, for example, the furries. Yeah, it's that might be in your best interest to look, look for that specifically. So anyway, so I think that pretty well wraps up dating life and what dating is like and it's kind of gone light years from where it was when the UNI were last in it, but moving along to married life. Mr.

Adam, what does that look like for you? What are the, you know, positives, the negatives of, you know, just operating your day to day, any wins and struggles in the tech department? So as far as like, I don't know, we talked about a lot about all these tools that people have in the dating world on how to meet people and things like that. So how does technology affect married life?

And the answer is like, well, it really, it doesn't, in a lot of aspects. It, it doesn't, in the sense that when you're married, like, there's a lot of things that kind of goes like, especially when you have kids, right? So I put in here, the big thing for us is like the collaboration, right? Or keeping each other up to date.

So I put like, we have shared calendars, shared task lists, shared everything, right? And I love how you put in here, Louie, you're like, well, so basically what's yours is mine. And I'm like, yeah, that's pretty much it. But the nice thing is, is like, having a live calendar, right?

I can remember growing up, right? My parents had this big calendar, like the family calendar that they would go and they would write stuff on, right? But you would only see that family calendar when you were at home. So technology has kind of, you know, gone at least to the point where we can all collaborate with each other, just made it easier to say like, hey, this is what's going on this week.

Or I have an event, right? Like, we have basically the point where I put on the calendar camera recording a podcast, you know, tonight at whatever, whatever PM, you know, so just so my wife knows that. And then we courted all the kids events, you know, we share a grocery list, a task list. So technology just kind of goes into managing the collaboration between us.

And I think that's kind of like the number one thing that we use technology for in married life. So I don't know if you do any shared calendars, Lou, with your relationship, but I think once you've been together, like for a while, right, you kind of start having those shared expenses. Well, let me put this, I guess we started living together is when you kind of have these obligations or these, this need to collaborate on a deeper level. Yeah, so I can say we've never lived together.

So we don't really have the shared expenses. For there was definitely several years where we totally, you know, I paid for everything. And then, and then as we started to get further along and she, you know, got out of school and stuff like that, we kind of do a little bit more like 50 50 shared expenses if it comes to like going out to eat or something like that. It depends on what it is.

But as far as calendering goes, there is still a pretty firm like separation of church and state that way I would say in the sense that like she doesn't have access to my calendar. It's not published or anything like that. If it's important, she'll invite me to it and I will accept an invitation and be at it. And vice versa, you know, if I need her to be at something because I got something going on or whatever, you know, she'll go ahead and just shoot me a calendar invite.

So those are definitely things that happen and but they're not, I don't know, it's not super super common. There's definitely, we've been together long enough that what's what's mine is definitely hers. I don't know if the other way applies too much, but that's definitely true. And as far as like taskless go and stuff like that, I mean, we just don't have too much of that and most of that is separated by piece by piece, but I'm sure that'll evolve, you know, that's definitely bound to evolve.

Yeah. And I guess, like I said, the takeaway for me is like we have like implicit sharing, right, where there's no need to accept right there's basically like, hey, this is happening. You're going, you know, it's kind of the way it is for us. It's like there's not an option to decline.

It's just like this is happening. This is something in our lives that is happening. We both have to be there or it's not going to work type thing. So that's that's the way we use it in that aspect.

But I like how you said like there are there are areas where things are still separate, right? And it goes for the same thing with married life, right? Is there are some things that still remain separate? And for some people that can be finances for others, it can be, you know, taxes, whatever it is.

But I think technology has also made it easier to kind of fine tune that sharing. So an example I put in here kind of as a thing that we have separate, you know, but still shared in some level is our bank accounts. So through simple, we have a shared account, which basically means like we have our own checking account and then we have this joint account and they basically link together instantaneously, right? It's just an easy way to set this up in in terms of like with one bank because like before you set up your checking account, you set up a joint account and then you have to, you know, set everything up to get everything transferred and it was a long ordeal just out of bank, you know, trying to get everything put together.

And what's simple, basically, you said, Hey, like these are the two simple accounts we have, we want a simple shared and they open it up. And the nice thing there is like, I can't see anything that's in, you know, my wife's checking account, she can't see anything that's in my checking account. We can both contribute though to the shared account and we can put it however much we want. We can take it out however much we want and it's kind of like just a share pool for money.

So that is one of the things that is still separate for us is part of the finances, partially because my wife, you know, she has a business and she runs all her business expenses. So she keeps track of that and I keep track of, you know, my stuff. And then we have kind of the shared things that we take care of together, right, the rental, the mortgage insurance, all that kind of stuff. But all of my toys that I buy are kind of, you know, with my money and all of the toys that she buys are kind of like with her money.

So we still have that separation. Got it. That makes total sense. And like you said, with simple and finances in general, I know you kind of turned me on to YNAB and it's something that I think I could see YNAB being useful in this area because you could link, you know, our wife's checking and you're checking separate of each other and kind of, you know, allocate money and budget, you know, a little easier from an overview perspective.

The system wouldn't really care who's accounted is, if that makes sense. Yeah. So funny you mentioned that, right? So in YNAB, right?

Like, I'm mainly the one going through most of the budgeting. So YNAB is very much set up for me. And especially because, you know, Alice has the business, we don't really set up her stuff in YNAB because she has her own budgeting that she takes care of, right? So in simple, though, we set up our shared account, we just linked, or sorry, in YNAB, we just linked our simple shared account.