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Mar 13, 2025 1 hr 37 min

#04: Ecash Fixes 402 w/ Calle

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“I don’t believe in Utopia anymore. I’m too old for that.” Calle & Gigi philosophize about nuts. Books and articles mentioned: - Who Owns the Future? - The Cathedral And The Bazaar - Cryptography is Not Enough - Bitcoin is Time In this dialogue: - Where is the Utopia that the internet promised? - “Neither nostalgia nor utopia” - Net Neutrality is a moral stance - Where did the internet go wrong? - Tech as a tool; is tech always neutral? - Technology that increases agency VS tech that enslaves - Competition vs Symbiosis - “Who will run the mints?” - “Anyone” can use it vs “everyone” can use it - Centralizing vs. Monopolizing - Bitcoin has an ethos baked in (You Shall Not Steal) - Passive internet vs active internet - Agency in cyberspace, and how to maximize it - Blinded custodian vs regular custodian - User data is a liability - Obscura / Mullvad / Silent.Link as obvious early adopters - Run your own ISP - Tollgate - Cryptography is Not Enough - Bitcoin is Time - Time requires heat - Zero-knowledge service providers - Electronic Cash vs Digital Cash (CBDCs) - Credit requires KYC, KYC implies outside enforcement - Writings on Micropayments by Nick Szabo - eCash fixes 402, obviously - Who Owns the Future? - “You are the product” vs “Subscription Hell” - “Hello old friend!!!” - Cathedral vs Bazaar - Why paywalls suck - Information wants to be free - "Markets become absurd as supply approaches infinity." - eCash + AI = match made in heaven - #LearnToCode vs #LearnToPrompt - Scarcity in cyberspace: compute, storage, networking - Zero-Knowledge compute & zero-knowledge proofs - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof - https://github.com/AbdelStark/cashu-zk-engine - Cairo: https://github.com/starkware-libs/cairo - MCP https://github.com/AbdelStark/bitcoin-mcp - MCP DVM: https://github.com/r0d8lsh0p/n8n-AI-agent-DVM-MCP-client - DVMCP: https://mcp.so/server/dvmcp - Olas & Nutzaps (NIP-60, NIP-61) - Bitcoin is not only the internet of money, but it is the money of the internet - Re-building the internet archive on top of nostr - Bitrot & 404 - Resurrection markets & marketplace for hashes via Blossom - Hugs 🫂 Related dialogues: #03: Data Ownership is a Lie w/ Pablo #12: The Windy Lawnmower Stuff w/ Pete #20: Archipelago Meshtadels w/ Shadrach #29: State of the Mint and Mind w/ Calle Recorded at 887,039.

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  1. 0:00 Lost Utopia
  2. 7:34 Neutral Technology
  3. 16:26 Centralizing vs Monopolizing
  4. 25:01 Blinded Custodians
  5. 32:27 Cryptography Isn't Enough
  6. 40:33 Ecash vs CBDCs
  7. 48:23 Product vs Subscription
  8. 59:23 Information Freedom
  9. 1:04:14 Cyberspace Scarcity
  10. 1:13:03 Cairo
  11. 1:23:13 Money of Internet
  12. 1:29:15 Hugs

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