04 | The Challenger Legacy: The Devil You Know

In the wake of twin disasters two decades apart, how do we make sense of why they happened?In episode four, we find out what happened on the very first flight after Columbia — and ask whether NASA changed at all.To hear more podcast episodes from hosts Fiona Pepper and Dr Karl Kruszelnicki about the legacy the 1986 Challenger space shuttle disaster left on culture, space exploration and high-risk decision making, search ‘Science Friction: The Challenger Legacy podcast’ from Radio National (RN) on the ABC Listen App (Australia), or wherever you get your podcasts.Guests:Mike CiannilliFormer Columbia integration systems engineer, NASAMiles O'BrienAerospace correspondent, CNNAdam HigginbothamAuthor, Challenger: A True Story of Heroism and Disaster on the Edge of SpaceMark MaierDistinguished professor of leadership, Chapman University, CaliforniaEileen CollinsFormer astronaut; commander, STS-114Credits:Presenters: Fiona Pepper and Karl KruszelnickiReporter: Fiona PepperSenior Producer: James BullenSeries Producer: Jonathan WebbExecutive Producer: Petria LadgroveSound Engineer: Tim JenkinsArchives Research: Lisa Chidlow, Michael OsmondThis story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Menang Noongar peoples.