040 -- The Maiden of Metal -- with Chris from Killer Jobs

If you haven't already checked out our shared episode on Chris' excellent show, Killer Jobs, please head over there and listen to that, first. It's not strictly necessary, in order to enjoy this one, but it will fill in a lot of blanks and maybe you'll pick up on a few more of the goofy references. Regardless, whether you wanted it or not, here you go: my concerns about sentencing and incarceration, my thoughts on what we should change first in the criminal justice system, and why this whole damn episode leaves me more optimistic than I have felt in a really long time. Because Chris and I come at this stuff from very different philosophies and perspectives, yet we're able to engage in a respectful, intelligent discourse without resorting to name-calling or insults.   Amazing.   Promos from Blood on the Rocks and Dark Histories.