058 | Annual CFP Roundtable 2017 | Kyle Mast and Danny Kenny

CFPs who practice financial independence aren't an oxymoron — they're your secret weapon. Kyle Mast and Danny Kenney are certified financial planners embedded in the FI community, and they're here to answer the questions you voted most urgent: when DIY fails, how to pay for advice without getting fleeced, and why even hardcore index fund enthusiasts miss blind spots a planner can catch in one conversation. Introduction and Overview [00:00:00] - The episode kicks off with an introduction to the unique intersection of certified financial planning and the FI movement. Panel Introduction [00:02:44] - Brad and Jonathan introduce Kyle Mast and Danny Kenney, both CFPs who are active members of the FI community. Personal Stories from CFPs [00:03:04] - Kyle and Danny share their personal journeys into financial independence and how they apply FI principles in their professional practices. Valuing Certified Financial Planners [00:06:57] - Discussion of the distinct value CFPs provide beyond investment management. The planning process itself — identifying blind spots, optimizing tax strategies, coordinating complex decisions — is where the real value lies, even for confident DIYers. Key Insight: "Even a DIYer, you might not know what you're missing." A one-time consultation can reveal overlooked opportunities or risks. Client Engagement and Dynamics [00:09:18] - CFPs often serve as mediators between spouses, helping couples align on financial goals and risk tolerance. This neutral third-party perspective can defuse tension and create shared understanding. Questions from the Community [00:15:32] - The hosts begin addressing the top community-submitted questions, ranging from fee structures to finding the right planner. Fees and Planning Models [00:16:49] - Explanation of different fee structures: hourly rates, flat retainers, asset-based fees, and one-time project fees. Fee models vary widely depending on the planner's business model and the complexity of your situation. Finding a Competent CFP [00:23:01] - Recommendations for locating CFPs who understand FI principles and aren't incentivized to sell products. Resources like XY Planning Network are mentioned as starting points. The Importance of Fiduciaries [00:25:30] - Explanation of fiduciary duty: a legal and ethical obligation to act in the client's best interest. Not all financial advisors are fiduciaries, and it's critical to confirm this before engaging. Shifting Tax Strategies [00:31:25] - Discussion of recent tax law changes and strategies to consider, including the timing of conversions, capital gains harvesting, and bracket management. Psychological Aspects of Investing [00:38:08] - Exploration of behavioral finance: how emotions, risk tolerance, and spousal communication impact investment decisions. A planner can help filter choices through a rational lens during market volatility. The Value of Financial Retreats [01:11:12] - The planners advocate for annual "financial retreats" — dedicated time for families to review goals, reassess strategies, and ensure everyone is aligned. Key Quotes "Even a DIYer, you might not know what you're missing." [00:06:57] "The planning is where the true value is provided." [00:06:57] "CFPs often mediate discussions between spouses." [00:09:18] "Everyone should talk to a CFP at some point." [00:21:33] Related Resources XY Planning Network - A network for finding fee-only CFPs who work with clients on a retainer or hourly basis. Nerd's Eye View by Michael Kitces - A financial planning blog with deep technical insights.