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EPISODE · Sep 29, 2026 · 43 MIN

074 - Do you need a Therapist, a Spiritual Director, or both?

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What’s the difference between therapy and spiritual direction? And when it comes to healing, can one take the place of the other? In this episode of Catholicism Unwrapped, Fr. Andy Vogel and Fr. Andrew Beerman sit down with Joseph Lundsten, a licensed professional clinical counselor, to explore the relationship between psychological and spiritual healing. Together, they discuss the distinct roles of therapy and spiritual direction, the importance of understanding the human person, and why psychological healing and the life of grace are not interchangeable. They also explore scrupulosity, the danger of identifying too closely with our struggles, and how our experiences can shape the way we understand God. Plus, Joseph shares his journey into the Catholic Church and the profound impact of the Mass, the Eucharist, and the Sacrament of Reconciliation on his conversion. Healing takes many forms. How do we recognize what we need, and where do we turn? Contact Joseph: Joseph Lundsten, LPCC Axios Integrative Therapy https://www.axios-therapy.com/

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