10/14/25 Frederick Douglas & Abraham Lincoln

We speak with Lucas E. Morel and Jonathan W. White, editors of a new book called "Measuring the Man: The Writings of Frederick Douglass on Abraham Lincoln." The book is a comprehensive collection of essays, speeches and letters in which Douglass speaks of Lincoln and reveals his feelings for the man - feelings which evolved from frustration and near disdain to deep respect, reverence and even affection. For Part two, we replay a portion of a 2008 interview with John Stauffer about his dual biography "Giants: The Parallel Lives of Frederick Douglass and Abraham Lincoln."