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100. 四十而已(重访 JJ Ying)

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我们的第一期节目,是2016年3月31号发布的,那是十年前了。 十年前,我是一个毕业没多久、刚刚来到硅谷的职场小菜鸡。那时候,经济是上行的,绝大多数人是相信科技公司是可以改变世界、造福人类的。那一年最流行的 UI 设计软件是一款叫 Sketch 的产品,最好的围棋选手还是人类,而程序员是最不担心找不到工作的。 那时候大家觉得,Google 和 Facebook 这样的科技大厂就像国企一样:高工资、高福利,只要你好好工作,升职加薪是早晚的事情,大部分大厂员工的脑子里是没有“裁员”这个词的。 如今,十年过去了,这个世界发生了巨大的变化,首当其冲的就是我们自己所在的这个行业:过去10年,AI不仅征服了围棋,也用自己的代码能力和“无限续航”征服了科技公司的老板们。“裁员”成了家常便饭,程序员成了最担心自己未来命运的工种之一。 而如果你是这两年才刚刚入行的 UX 设计师,你甚至可能都没有听说过 Sketch 这款软件。十年前我们的第一期节目里,我们还在和嘉宾讨论设计师要不要学习写代码,而今天,这个问题不存在了。因为在 AI 的帮助下,所有人都会写代码了,在某种意义上,所有人也都能做设计了。 这个世界变了,我们也是。 我们的兴趣慢慢从各个科技大厂的设计师和高管们,转向了更广阔的世界。我们的热情慢慢从本职工作,转向了工作以外的兴趣爱好。我们节目的嘉宾很多也都经历了巨大的人生变化。所以今天,UX Coffee 的第 100 期节目,我们想要重新找我们的老朋友们叙个旧,看看他们在过去这些年里有哪些变化。面对这个急剧变化的世界,我们也想知道他们会做出什么样的选择。 这会是一个系列节目,我们请到的第一位老朋友,是友台 Anyway.FM 的主播 JJ Ying。JJ 入行比我和 Hoka 都要早得多。他从 20 多年前 Windows XP 盛行的时代就开始混迹当时的一些 UI 设计论坛。他从 2004 年起就开始写自己的博客,发布自己的 UI 和图标作品。从某种意义上来说,他见证了 UI/UX 设计在过去20年里在中国的潮起潮落。 2015年,他和朋友 Leon 一起创办了 Anyway.FM 这档设计播客——甚至比我们还要早一年。 我们在 2017 年第一次采访了 JJ,聊了聊他的人生经历以及他当时在百度的工作体验,那期节目的标题叫《这个公司端午节发粽子吗?》。当时的他怎么也不会想到,在接下来这些年里,他的工作和生活会发生这么多意想不到的变化:他经历裸辞、裁员,家人病重,搭档 Leon 决定去北京工作,Anyway.FM 宣布停更,他开始做起一款叫“摸摸鱼”的独立应用…… 8个多月前,我和 Hoka 回上海休元旦假,时隔近9年,我们终于抓住这次机会,再一次和 JJ 面对面坐下来,拿起话筒,好好聊了聊。 出场嘉宾 JJ Ying: [email protected] 参考链接 JJ Ying 做的摸摸鱼 app:momoyu.app Anyway.FM JJ Ying 的博客Iconmoon 图月志 Sponsor:Motata 磨太书店 这期节目由我们自己赞助播出!我和 Hoka 一起在美国做了一家中文书店叫 Motata 磨太书店(motatabooks.com)。 店里有我们自己一本本挑出来的上千种中文书和杂志,从艺术设计、科幻推理,到社会心理、随笔小说,我们希望给像我们一样在海外的中文读者带来熟悉的文化体验。 除了书,我们也会挑一些我们自己喜欢的家居杂货和适合送人的小东西。 如果你在硅谷,欢迎来我们 San Jose 的实体店逛逛;如果你不在湾区,也可以来我们的网店 motatabooks.com 看看,我们全美订单满 $59 包邮。 也谢谢大家用这种方式,支持 UX Coffee 继续做下去。 节目制作 策划、主持:Hoka、Riceman 剪辑:萌光喵

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