103. Willingness to Adapt: The Church After Covid, with Kurt Fredrickson and Cameron Lee

Kurt Fredrickson and Cameron Lee are on the faculty at Fuller Theological Seminary.  In this episode, our conversation centers on the theme of resilience and the willingness to adapt.  What does it mean to be resilient?  And how do we become resilient leaders who are not only able but willing to adapt when called to do so?THIS EPISODE'S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:Kurt Fredrickson leads the Doctor of Ministry and the Doctor of Global Leadership programs at Fuller Theological Seminary.Cameron Lee is the Professor of Marriage and Family Studies at Fuller Theological Seminary.For Cameron, it’s painful to see how the coronavirus has divided the church this past year.Kurt Fredrickson noticed that when you have to adapt, you adapt. And the church adapted.Visiting various online church services is not really church.  The missing component is community.Kurt Fredrickson's biggest fear is that we’re just going to go back to church as it used to be—over-programmed and under-discipled.A crisis like this pandemic exposes the things that we tend to take for granted.To lead after Covid, leaders need to cultivate resilience, gratitude, and the ability to hold things loosely.Ministry leaders need to practice Sabbath.  But it can be hard to practice Sabbath when one day bleeds into the next (as it seemed during the pandemic).Kurt Fredrickson defines resilience in terms of its opposite—the inability to snap back or be flexible.Cameron Lee connects resilience to the ability to manage stress.Cameron Lee shares how Covid has personally affected him, including the loss of his mother.To find out more about Kurt Fredrickson’s work, visit his Fuller Seminary profile page.You can find out more about Cameron Lee’s work by visiting his Fuller Seminary profile page or his blog, Squinting Through Fog.RELEVANT RESOURCES AND LINKS:Books mentioned:Tempered Resilience, by Tod BolsingerThat Their Work Will Be a Joy, by Kurt Fredrickson and Cameron LeeSurfing the Edge of Chaos, by Richard Pascale, Mark Milleman, and Linda GiojaKurt Fredrickson:Fuller Seminary profile pageCameron Lee:Fuller Seminary profile pageSquinting Through Fog blogRelated episodesEpisode 72: The Edge of Chaos, Part 1: Why Your Church Needs DisequilibriumEpisode 73: The Edge of Chaos, Part 2: Fresh New SolutionsEpisode 74: The Edge of Chaos, Part 3: Slowly, Then All of a Sudden— Links to Amazon are affiliate links.Send me a text! I’d love to know what you're thinking!Click HERE to get my FREE online course, BECOMING LEADERS OF SHALOM.