EPISODE · Jun 11, 2026 · 59 MIN
#106 Pedro Parra: What to Say to the Terroir Deniers
from Serves You Right · host Andrew Roy
If you have ever tried to make sense of wine by memorizing soil types, reciting limestone and Kimmeridgian and volcanic rock, or nodding along when someone says a wine has "minerality," you probably need this episode. Most people, including a surprising number of professionals, start with the dirt and try to reason their way forward to the glass. Pedro Parra, terroir consultant, winemaker, PhD, and author of Terroir Footprints, has spent twenty-plus years proving that the only honest place to start is the wine itself. In this conversation he dismantles the "terroir doesn't exist" crowd, explains why he traded the word minerality for something far more useful, and reveals how jazz, imperfection, and a $100,000 machine most estates use completely wrong all point to the same hidden idea: great wine has a sound, and once you can hear it, you can't unhear it. Expect to Learn:Why starting with the soil instead of the glass quietly sabotages how you taste, talk about, and sell wineThe single word Pedro now uses in place of "minerality" that makes the entire debate disappearWhat jazz improvisation reveals about why "imperfect" wines so often beat technically flawless onesThe expensive mapping technology most estates already own and still get completely wrongHow a rejected jazz musician ended up tasting world-class Burgundy as an unpaid internLinks:Pedro Parra on InstagramService starts now.Follow the show: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTubeI talk to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in bars. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess that can be a life working in bars, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. Check out the Podcast Website Here and get in touch with me!Classic Episodes You May Like:Doug Frost MW MSJeffrey MorgenthalerET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on IntoxicationAndrew Hurley of Vegas.WineChris Tunstall of A Bar AboveTony Abou-GanimBobby "G" GleasonAs always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.Cheers
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If you have ever tried to make sense of wine by memorizing soil types, reciting limestone and Kimmeridgian and volcanic rock, or nodding along when someone says a wine has "minerality," you probably need this episode. Most people, including a surprising number of professionals, start with the dirt and try to reason their way forward to the glass. Pedro Parra, terroir consultant, winemaker, PhD, and author of Terroir Footprints, has spent twenty-plus years proving that the only honest place to start is the wine itself. In this conversation he dismantles the "terroir doesn't exist" crowd, explains why he traded the word minerality for something far more useful, and reveals how jazz, imperfection, and a $100,000 machine most estates use completely wrong all point to the same hidden idea: great wine has a sound, and once you can hear it, you can't unhear it. Expect to Learn:Why starting with the soil instead of the glass quietly sabotages how you taste, talk about, and sell wineThe single word Pedro now uses in place of "minerality" that makes the entire debate disappearWhat jazz improvisation reveals about why "imperfect" wines so often beat technically flawless onesThe expensive mapping technology most estates already own and still get completely wrongHow a rejected jazz musician ended up tasting world-class Burgundy as an unpaid internLinks:Pedro Parra on InstagramService starts now.Follow the show: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTubeI talk to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in bars. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess that can be a life working in bars, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. Check out the Podcast Website Here and get in touch with me!Classic Episodes You May Like:Doug Frost MW MSJeffrey MorgenthalerET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on IntoxicationAndrew Hurley of Vegas.WineChris Tunstall of A Bar AboveTony Abou-GanimBobby "G" GleasonAs always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.Cheers
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