108: Interview with Tom Shaw racing car driver

What do you think you do on the show? No, we've got any good. Yeah, good. So you've got Tommy, so...

Yeah, good. You can say fuck. Shit. Fuck, look, you know, I'm just...

Where does he go, mate? I'm scared for the first two seconds. Yeah, then he gets in. We're just in the conversation.

We're just in the... Have a chat. Good morning, good afternoon. You've got anything to do?

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Racing roving, thank you, Barry. So we're in the short racing layer. But yeah, no, the chat at times are basically... You're in the upper coming race car driver?

Yeah, that's right. How old are you? I'm currently 19. 19?

What were you doing when you were 19? I guess I was racing 19. I was racing 19, I was racing 18. I was racing 19.

I was racing 19. I was racing 19. I was racing 19. I was racing 19.

I can't, I'm gonna need to put my life to talk me 19. Just to rock it up here. So how long have you been racing? So, two years now.

Two years? You know, March, 2018, 2019. What do you reckon? What do you mean?

So racing in the RSA Cup Series. I'm sorry, I'm in the rotary. In the rotarys. So, standard, then B rocket ships.

So yes, they're all standard. Yeah, I will standard. So they're not having one or five or five. It's a one-way category.

Everything's controlled. But engine-wise, so nevermind if they're just the engine, not even exhausts from the map. No, we run a racing door so we can get it out of control. It's suspension brakes, class like that.

And then it's all based on the build, driver, and do it. So the cars are pretty much standardised. You've got racing seats though. You've got all the safety and control cages.

You're ready? Yeah, it's really important. Can you pin your phone? Nah, nah.

No, proper ship dress car. Because someone here went into the M3 and drove on. They said it was the best. We were standing up and they said it that 10 times.

Do not pin your phones. I didn't realise these cars were all the electronics were set up. But the track, obviously, done it down. And I've got me the car and four car lights.

It's kind of a three. Yes, you can signal what's wrong with this guy. Leave guy, get down there. Can I get something like that?

You're trying to peek. I'm really boring. I want to listen to some music. Fuck you guys.

Give me a fuck. You're doing race, mate. You're doing it. Literally nothing.

I bet you are. Excited. Did I take this thing and all that out of there? It's all taken out.

It's all taken out. It'll be unnecessary. So why, though? In a given, race, like 13, 16, 18, and drive.

What's the car usually? I tried to do the mathematics. I'm sorry. I can't qualify.

It's a good understanding. We made 13, 16, and paid for the head you guys like you tried. What are you trying to say? We need an extra life set.

But it's all good, we'll get you in. I can show a few more holes, mate. I can't be a pirate. That was a verbal.

So the RX-TAC was obviously stopped production a long time ago. Is it 2012? It's 2012. I'm not kidding.

When did they start making it? 2003, I mean, in Australia. It's a long run for a car. And they did pretty much.

You can't go to the Y-1. So they're quite an old one, anyway. We're doing pretty much every single RX-T in the country. Okay.

Yeah. So many cars are on the Greek roughly. So our biggest speaker in RX-TAC, RX-TAC, cut race was Sydney Motorcycle Park 27 cars. 27 cars, yeah.

I think we're looking at 40-class cars built totally over Australia at the moment. But, yeah. So it's nationwide? Nationally.

And it's a suncast car. You can't go. We have some people in the cars. Roughly 40 RX-TAC race.

I'd say an average field is 20-class around. We're around the 20th mark. So it's a strong couple here. And we're happy with that.

And as a point system, is there a course it's a full-changing jet? And that runs across 6 rounds of the year? Yeah. At the moment we've been doing state and national events.

So we've actually used calendar. We've been going to country towns like Golden. So Sydney Motorcycle Park last weekend. Next we go to Warwick and Queensland at Melbourne Park.

So we're back to Phillip Island. And we're up and down the years, go to Australia all year. And the cars are traded. They're not road registered are they?

No. I mean, you've definitely had a few on the road before. Okay. Let's use that one.

There's another short guy. Oh, Ari. The cars are registerable. Yeah.

They're not registered. We've modified them too far. We'll be on the point of clicking on the road. The best way to look at the RX-TAC series is to compare it to the 86-to-0 suits.

Which you'd never see in the car. Yeah. But we're basically just like that. But we aren't going to see the cars.

And it's all designed to be a price point. So it's a fraction of cost to join, build a car and run a car and what the 86 series is. And that's what's appealing to most of the people. It's all grassroots motorsport.

So in terms of maintenance, what do you think? Anybody who doesn't have motor racing and want to go up the car and have been there since you're going to go go home. It's not even in your blood. No, they're all motor races.

That's expensive. You know, is the RX-TAC series like, is it a hugely expensive exercise? You know, you're in it. It's quite inexpensive.

There's obviously costs involved, but it's not just fuel, oil, off you go. But obviously, there's... So far as motor racing goes, it's an inexpensive exercise. Yeah.

Although guys, it's been going on national level for years. They've said to me, RX-TAC series is far too far. The race and go go. It's a cheapest.

One of the cheapest formats. The national level motorsport you're going to do. And building the car in any class is always a cheapest part. We've got guys building the cars with 15, 20 grand.

They've got the car and run the tractor. Then running it is where you start spending. But you know, it's still designed to really price might really treat. The consumer balls which are all controlled are really cheap.

So you can't tear up a lot of money on tyres and the tyres. You know, like price cheaper than any other production. It's a proper race tyre. You're a 17-rouser.

You're getting the series? For the years. For the years? On every time I do race costs.

Three-ring? Three-ring. You don't want to snatch it to everybody else. Anything else that moves on the track and drop it and crash into all the barriers and that's what it's going to do.

That's all I can do. Now this is two-racing. Here we go. You're going to go a bit of a thing.

Unless you have a big tank top. Yeah. I was going to say that. I mean, that's looking after the car.

So if you miss a gear breaker gearbox or you hit someone, it's going to cost you money after the event to get the car ready for the next race. Yeah, of course. In any form of motorsports, you can't cost you money on the car. But you know, we're dealing here with cars that, you know, we basically need to come from wrecking cars and the microsullibility.

They're being a really reliable car. You can't run the car. Sometimes you can see what we're meant to. Yeah, yeah.

If you go to do a question, you have a question. That's what we get to be too cheap. I guess the time they're going to phase out some of the components will be harder to get. It'll be a probably a little bit like, but if you look back at HQ racing, when I execute racing for the first time, you throw a car and get a 5-6 ring and you're going to race and make it a race and make it a race.

Yeah. You know, they're spending ugly amounts of money just through the engines. It's going to be a trial. I want to make sure I actually have a couple of five suits and it stays controlled.

And the tournament will do that. And that's why I talk about the race route. So the guys who are joining it, guys like Tom, never driven before, they might have done a bit of lap dashing or super screening. They called it a few drive days.

And now they actually want to get serious and get a proper national competition license and start the race. And they can do it. And they're going to run around the back of the field. Like we threw Tommy the deep and then we fought.

Tell me about the first one you jumped in. That's what I say. So two years anyway. Probably.

In terms of racing, not all much. Pretty much everyone asked me, did you start me go car and say, no, straighten to the car and say, really much learning to drive a man in gearbox on the racetrack. And that blows a bottle of people away. Yeah, I was chugging around the back.

You're struggling with the questions about being a little key following dad at the track. I don't know if your dad's been in the road every day in the racing class. But I've just got a spec. I've got half of questions I was just scratching off about when you first started.

It's like this is basically your first second year in racing. Have you got play? Is this just something that's a hobby for you? Or can you see a future moving forward?

I mean you're not an idiot, young enough. What do you see progressing for me? I think I'm at the age where I can sort of just keep working on where I am at the moment. Yeah.

As a hobby. But definitely in the last few weeks I've been looking at it more into the future as a big perspective, like where we can take this. And probably two years I'd say my first full year into the I take up series now. Because I was previously in the HOC and I couldn't go to places like South Australia because I was sitting in the engine stuff like that.

So the first year was sort of around here and there when I could. And now this year 2021 is my first proper year where I'm looking to do all six rounds in the championship. And we're sitting pretty competitive at the moment in fourth. So I'm happy with that.

And I'm not voting? No we haven't yet. I've been voting for the fourth in the fourth. Which is consistent.

Sometimes it's going to be consistent week in week out. So like Tom says, no we haven't. We haven't. But Tom says like that.

So it's really, it's what he's doing. It's like he's doing it. It's like he's doing it. It's like he's talking about it.

It's really, it's about Tom. I mean I just can't put ties up with Petrol and Peter. He does all the work in mind. So it's true.

But it's almost. It's not funny. The same thing. Rick was hearing Petrol and I did that for my daughter.

He smashes my daughter smash the whole thing. My daughter was on the road with Tim's. It's a lot of fun guys. Just like he was driving.

Yeah. He wasn't pretty bad with getting out of his. He was driving. Oh absolutely.

We just did that. Yeah so luckily just going to April we got the opportunity for Dalenine hoping a little toy at eight. Sixty other than do the six hour. So that's probably my career goal at the moment.

I've driven that course at 60 kilometres an hour going the right way around. That is a scary place. I think the TV does adjust this. Was it the first time you raced with that track?

First time I raced it. A couple. A month ago. The walls are lower than the walls.

The walls are as high as a car. It's steep as going up and down. You've got those S's probably the most serious part of racing down hill. You don't even brake.

You're still going down that hill fast. How was it? Was it like adrenaline? The feeling is pretty full.

When you first get there like the hype of the event or the media and the fans and stuff. It's pretty cool but you sort of want to focus on here for the first time. The place is a bit scary. I don't know anyone that hasn't said I'm not scared of this place.

But the first year practice laps you go out. We're in a little tour 86. The walls are at the end of the day. You're going to have to be the S's into the chase.

The 86 is a fairly standard car. We're still doing 330 flaps at the chase. It's moving around 60 kilometres. In the blind corner there's a skyline.

You're talking about a mountain. You're talking about a mountain. You're not down. It's a whole town.

If you're looking at people you're looking at people you're looking at. That was making sure it was in the hall. It is a scary place. I'm just thinking is it in the car home?

Check it flag. I'm going to overtake this clan in front of me. It's a moment and it's a lot of activity. It's six and a half kilometres.

Do you find yourself on each full focus in the zone? Or do you sometimes do glades out? You just think away from it. Talk us a lot.

He's a training. Obviously the first time you get in the car, you're full focus. But you're trying to find yourself down and don't have the steering wheel to type and push on yourself. Once you get the first two or three laps I felt like a venue before that I've done it a thousand times.

I'm not just you really used to it. I actually did three and a half hours at the six. So I'm the whole experience. Three and a half hours at the six.

We're in the breaks. Is it drive a decisement? I can get out of the car. Or is it a two?

The idea was to give Thomas many racing laps as we possibly could. Just keep him in the car and keep him going. So the idea was to do an hour and a half. I'll take a few.

I'll just walk on the line. I'll do a few. I'll do a few. I told him to do an hour and a half before.

He didn't like a basket before. Absolutely everything we asked him to do. Right, absolutely. He couldn't put one foot wrong.

He tried to then scale things. It was so much pressure. He says he tried to stay calm. It was a lot of pressure.

He pulled it off. He's critical. But an hour and a half in a car is long as what we would go for. We're just checking in on forms of good.

Does he get hot in there? Is it like a sore? Yeah. By the end of the day, the sun's coming down on you pretty harshly.

So you get pretty warm in there. And you're in for a suit. You have a fiber of suits and layers. Are you training or exercising or doing anything to?

I'll try. I'll try. I'll try. I'll try.

To be honest. I'll try. Yeah. I'll try.

Yeah. There's an hour and a half. And there's a lot of mental fitness too. Like, do you sleep the night before?

Do you party with other great girls? Like, what's the good thing about the girls? I'm coming next to you. So, how do you plan?

Or do you just like feel as you go? Yeah, there's a guy for your head the night before. And then you're full-slick and you have to go up to it. You're playing with the great girls.

I mean, the call up to the event for us to enter the car was we only had a month. And previously people think about it as a year ahead. So for us to only have a month to go, okay, we're racing back this year, we go, okay, we're racing back this year, month's time. It comes around really quickly.

Yeah. And I started thinking about, okay, let's look at getting car lapsed, let's study the track, let's see what other people in 86 were doing. So you do all that study, so you're hyping yourself up and the time just flies by and then pretty much like, it just comes on so quickly. Like did you go up a week before to do all that at back?

That's just a seed of the place like all of a sudden. We did actually, that cannot be the idea. Let's go check if the place is still there and do some study in it. And just looking at the place on the TV, it doesn't do it justice.

The place is so blind, it's not fun. You stand up, the top and you can't see three corners, but you can't see three corners. So you're going to have to go to the place, you're going to have to go to the place. It's just crazy going into corners.

A good speed and you've got to learn the track where to place it. Because when you come over and start driving off the end of the earth, the study was good, we had a look and we did some minutes just looking around and where we should place the car and what to do. But I'm talking about the sleep. I was a bit worried to be honest, I think you know, we're going to be up all hours in the night.

It's going to be happening, but I was fairly happy with how much sleep we got, which is good, because it's 6 hours at a long time. Especially building up having Friday practice Saturday or Saturday, I'm doing 20 floors as well. I mean you must sweat it out. Stay focused.

Do you do your harm to yourself or what do you do? It's with the radio. It depends on what your car. Yeah, what do you do?

I'm doing something like that. What do you do when you swim in laps in the hall? Same thing. No, when I swim in laps in the morning, I usually say, and as I pretend to say, what the fuck am I doing?

They do it. That's what I'm going to do. When he's not driving up, what the fuck? It's true.

to the hassle of getting tried by waterproof radios back there for my years but they were waterproof, they were water resistant so they didn't work too long so how was the year, did you get something to get stuck in your tongue? no it didn't just just go out right well that was a good day look at me now it's raining you got it how much experience have you got about this? what's your the gallon of just show go for? you've done a fair bit of time a lot, yeah, so I started there in 92 it was 4 so hands off brush everything just a bit of air with wheels there they gave some super tours and GTE cars and production cars and sports and gave them 24 hour races, 4 hour races oh that's really cool you see the race and boys stuff but when you send someone up there for their first time you go how the hell do I tell somebody?

everything they need to know? everything you've learned in the last 3 years? don't you cram all that into the conversation? you can't, you've got to work out ourselves I was going to say what feelings did you tell us?

I was going to say you had your first time wait how did you? I was shooting myself the first time and I remember the first time I was on the green to play a super car and I started the race and it was raining and never driven the car in the way I thought before never driven around the back, before on the way I said I was starting the green, I should be so but did you have anyone trying to pick one? no, no one, I never had luxury someone coaching and you patted the one before a bit a little bit that's what he next one got to do I knew the pressure that was on Tom Tom's a pretty cool operator, he doesn't show up when he got pressure on it but I knew it was there but he just got to let someone work out themselves it's not a bit odd I wasn't worried about him I thought Tom was the two way road, he could be full noise in the chase even when he was the one who got the race, he was the one who got the race he was the one who got the right to go, here you go what do you feel like I got the launch? I didn't come back before so that shows his car I was going to work for the last Saturday you were in England man I can't talk to you anymore I'm not familiar with how you did it, you listened to you I thought you were going to work for the last time you didn't have to go around the farm yes, and that was Alex Brothers right, okay, you weren't on enough to it yet but that was a fun day no, no fun, no fun, no fun, no fun answer yeah, you ran away the race track and the fine rings so Tom wants to answer his fine oh, that's not my one got it, got it that was a good day who was reading back with burrita I was running late I was running late I had to be checking but I'm not so it made the future Tom like, are you excited?

and then from here? I was trying to be a super guy now there's no way to be a guy what do you got next? what's next? what's the wishlist?

what's the wishlist? what's the wishlist? we'll get you there so are you excited to go out to where we are? yeah, development category obviously fall based on the ability so we develop, myself as a driver yep, but just in the past week or so we've been having a good TCR so obviously it's a new two in car series I think it's in the second or third of you know and um it's a little bit too late oh, nothing about people just about to be made in country getting involved so they'll prop a quad deluded to that so RGO I think that's the future they've got super cheap board they've come on board from who was previous with the supercars so I think that's an up itself that basically a serious response and you've got drivers like Jas Moss dead in and currently they are supercar drivers who are still racing in supercars but they're already driving like Chas is leading the championship in TCR so they've obviously got their head screwed on and they're thinking about the future and they know that they're already known that is the future so they're hoping they now to get prepared when the time comes that the main game could be TCR so that's what we're looking at to get to those higher categories and next level the other thing that no one really talks about and even a formula one is the sponsorship like you are a walking googler because it is expensive that's like one of the first special cars like the RX8 sounds like a real affordable racing series but you get to the higher level whether you buy your own car if you're talking 10-200-100 a year and you're going to get to the lower level of the European millions and going to get there is that something that you're getting trained or learning about?

are you pulling in sponsorship of things like that? is that something that you need to think about to progress if you're going to take this on full time? most of what's thought so much already in a year and a half to years of as you said as a driver you're a walking business you just sort of really need to promote yourself and put yourself out that you can not only form your performances but how you interact with people and I've learnt so much of that through media and through meeting people and yeah we have picked up some sponsors for the RX8 which I'm really thankful for and that's why I'm looking for TCI it's most what's not cheap unfortunately so when you do want to step up to that main game next level sort of intense racing it's going to cost so it's still the brand it's Tom Shaw racing it's you I mean the cars are there but if you're in a one-make series or a series where everything is on parody it's you that they'll try and get and if you're if you can track sponsors or if you could work with it in a teen environment you said we earlier that sells you to get your spot and drive you I guess and he's got the last thing not sure not sure not sure not sure not sure it sounds like it's a race driver's name that sounds pretty good yeah yeah it's good my son has got my 10 letters in it but you know you take our valuable sponsors keep across the wheel screen it's great what's that? well clear out of the sun but yeah so how do you make like that?

did you get a buzz when you first saw that? just little things like that like it was a buzz you really understand that with seriously in this sport and that everything you do you have to take seriously and yeah to see some this one's just come on board it's great it's sort of to make sure you feel better about yourself yes this is going to be something we can look at in the future and that's all we just got to take five and do what we can to pick up more and the required needs for TCR and stuff like that so we've got to work things out and how do you make it work but yeah for our outside at the moment we're more than happy and very thankful to all those that can't go yeah what's the average age of the drivers? in the city so there was a there you go everyone oh our outside car was pretty much but everyone we got a young kid from Elgin who was 16 and he's just come straight out of the car so guys in their settings they're actually at super car drivers and the list goes on pretty much I'd say the average age is 50 around their middle age people and it comes from like me and we've used our experience the people like that with 30 years of racing behind us so it's pretty crazy the competitive level in RX8 and the driving stands they're quite insane and I like to we're not racing in front cars but you look at Formula 1 and close their times up that's sort of what you see in RX8 all the cars are within a tenth of each other on the track and it's pretty much just all driver of the car it is a corner you do lock up a brake or you it damages your lap and that's and what about the with the normal series is it just 10-20 laps or is it a compulsory pit stop in the RX8? so also in RX8 we haven't looked into endurance events for the RX8 we're not sure if we're right, yeah 10-12 laps from RX8 we normally have a full amount of your practice on Friday and then quadratic session Saturday morning which sets the grid progressive grid for all the races four races over the weekend so it's plenty of track time and it's great quality for what you get Dreamcar, Dream Race, Dream Trek is it a good game you thought about the other day would you like to get to RX8?

I don't know if you'd like to get to RX8, I'm just going to have to talk about this but is there like a chance of driving an open wheeler or anything different yet or is it something that you'd like to get into? we've been talking about all the cars and all the categories we've been enjoying from RX8 at the moment and we've talked about radical sport cars we've talked about Formula 3 I'd love to own a Formula 3 that once we've got one too but for me I think TCR looking at it what they are and it's still you've got a 10-year-olds you've got a 10-year-olds to what RX8 is I think that's my dream to do the never green J-3 a pretty good trip to do it with that they've been out of story that'd be really special so I know that's like F-3 what kind of would you do the movie? just a bit there anything before wheel one pretty much so I know that's given a few RX7s and other J-3 B&Ws and stuff like that so what are you doing in your months with the TCR talk to us what you doing? at the end of the month got the opportunity to drive when the factory home not R30 TCR cars or on page 3 so if you're not going to feel park and have a test day there get on three sessions in the car so it's a good opportunity what's that coming up?

that's end of May end of May 31 so we're looking forward to that which is sort of a step up and try and still in that wayfield you've driven wayfield or you've got to do some recu-lapse as well? no I don't have any laps I'm wayfield that's sort of where I've started and it's a pretty standard track and plenty of run off and yes it's a pretty standard track compared to something like that so I think we should hopefully adjust quickly to the left hand drive and also the turbos so yeah they've straightened Europe these cars they can only get into Europe and at high end that time we're looking at all of them come from Germany so yeah we're really looking forward to that the other two CR cars as well left hand drive or? well it's a control category worldwide which way to so good so it can be run for all around the world all of the same organizations same sort of rules the same tyre and they all come to cars and they buy the manufacturers so the whole car is from the coming out of the factory in Germany you can't build one you've got to buy one okay so you buy the WLE Toyota and there's all there's certain specifications that they have to stick to build the cars are right so correct have you ever driven a left hand drive car? I've gone to the Mustang around the streets actually more cars are left hand so I'm sorry I'm driving a lot of them around if you're driven with hand drive never driven so it's going to be an experience to turn up okay he's going to have to dial in the left hand drive this is the first thing that I know is with I don't know if it goes to America it's all about it no not to change it either it's all about it but you've got cramps on the left side because there's a door and it felt we changing the stereo the right hand it's just got like some quick the car the other way around you don't want it no you always have to drive more to the right you're in the wrong way you always have to drive more to the right you're too close to the right when you drive you're too close to the right you kind of run around a little bit that's the only way around a bit that's the only way around a bit yeah you're too confused but that's the only way around a bit on the left hand drive no it is hard to drive the way around a bit but you're using a linux not just the outside but with the picture of the pizzer your wrist crackers at the right hand you don't really want to go for this we're going to play with it but you don't really want to go for it no no change your biting you're going to be using a panel switch oh these guys have a panel oh Yeah, you'll be right.

I mean at least you're right though, the right side of K-Lobby, you'll be going over the apex of the... One lap and you're fine. I'm not going to go anywhere again. Do you remember if you ever do a pick change, like you know, drive a change or whatever it is?

Yeah, just go around the outside. Yeah, yeah, just go around the side of the car. Back to getting in the cruise, look at you. Yeah, time, other side over here.

The way it's decided to end the mate, it's pretty cool. End the mate, like, yeah, so, HMA customer, anything. Must be pretty pumped with that. Okay, that's what we're going to do.

Check it with you. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, very excited. So hopefully, see how we go.

We can adjust our own car and get up to speed, quickly. And who knows, opportunity to pop up. Will the end of the year? No, getting in the fight to drive is a head start already.

So you're going to take some of the cars alive. How much does that cost the bike? Which you ran your own. Yeah, 200, 20,000.

It's bringing in Australian dollars. I think you're on a trip. That's a pre-pump. How much does that cost to run a per cent?

We're looking at about $30,000 a round. A round? To run a car. You don't get a proper factory-teaker drive again.

But that's what you're running around. And who rounds at the TCR at the moment? That's one question. Six to ten?

They're running six to ten. Six? Just on their full-frame. Have another 20 grand if you keep it straight?

Half a mill. So half a mill. So for your first year that it gets a big trigger after that? It's crazy money.

So sponsorship, mate. Who you got and who you want. Well, at the moment, we got a great real estate company by a grown-as-year. A grown-as-year?

A grown-as-year? A grown-as-year? Yeah. I was going to pick you up for that for you.

Where else, mate? I do what else? Right away. Go for it.

Yeah, so a grown-as-year estate via VSB's duty host out. They've also come on board. A grown-as-in-base via big supporters' issues for the R&K club. So really thankful for them to support grassroots stuff and guys like me at this age.

So really happy to have them on board. But other guys like, yeah, I'm a big show racing and stuff. You run the thing. Yep.

Open your lot. And we got Tom. And? Yeah, the other Tom.

What the racing Tom? Tom's all over. Tom's all over. He's one of the biggest ones for us.

He does so much behind the scenes and I've got plenty of time for him as a black person. Really appreciate everything he's done. And he runs his own business. Tom's all over.

He's fixing cars every day. That's his job. But to some I see how he works to see how much Tom years for us. He's a great guy to have.

He's always working for me. Like, things like getting shirts done. Like, when does he have time to do that? He's running out of business.

But he's always thinking about it. What shirts can we get done? Is wanting to fix his cars? He's own shirts.

What size are you talking about? It depends on what company they are. They have to go down to an extra large. Look at that.

Yeah, I think they're what's for Asia. You're going to get to the US. Yeah, what? Two or something.

Yeah. What's that? Well, it's not three extra. That's three extra.

In terms of my friends. Let's make it there, they have to get to the United States. So it's brownies at the T. Brownies at the team.

Yeah. Well come to one of the races and get it right out there and then maybe do a live podcast out with one of your races so speak to the rest of the crew. So we'll talk again. So we'll talk again.

Yeah, we'll try and get you more sponsors. Yeah. And be good. So we'll plug away and we'll try to get some more people on it.

Any help will be great. Just a bunch of them. Anybody wants to contact you? You've got an email address or a website or a website or something.

Yeah, just come to the racing on your Facebook and Instagram. So talk to them SHW. Yeah, just long to your own SHW and the race. And your own Instagram and people on the software.

And everything there. They have a find you from ROTC. Yep. ROTC series and pretty much.

Well mate, thank you for having us and we're lucky with the HINDI team and they did it at the year. We'll come out there and check it out and have the HINDI races and sit there with the team and see what's really like out there. It'd be great to thank you guys for having the chat as well. Oh, come on.

Oh, yeah. Full face and we'll have the HINDI team. We'll talk about racing the other night, the last podcast. But this happened in a straight line and Ross is a little scared to take things for us.

Okay, we've everything up until actually getting the card. You want to come and grab it? So we've offered the driver for me. Look, I'm still scared of that.

But no, I will do that. We'll take out that offer. So thank you for having us. And follow us, rate us, review us, leave us some comments.

Contact us boys if you want to sponsor a race card. There's plenty of room, plenty of spaces for sneakers. You should get out there and stuff like that. Yeah, why not?

So there you go. We'll talk about the budget and we'll try and help out. So thank you very much mate. And have a good night with us.

Thanks guys.