110. Caroline Lee on Birth, Death, Psychedelics, and the Kids or Childfree Choice

In this conversation, Keltie is joined by Caroline Lee, a death doula and somatic therapist who supports women and couples with the Kids or Childfree choice. You'll hear them discuss: Caroline's personal journey to motherhood, and the career pivot that took her from photographer, to death doula and therapist.  How fear, grief, shame, and mortality influence decisions around parenthood. How to work through grief and shame when confronting the Kids or Childfree choice. The role of psychedelics like psilocybin and ibogaine in exploring the decision of whether to have kids. The significance of making conscious, intentional decisions about parenthood. ...and so much more. (1:48) Meet Caroline & her Kids or Childfree decision; (10:27) The work of a death doula; (16:52) Coping with grief and shame in the Kids or Childfree decision; (30:57) Mortality + the Kids or Childfree decision; (45:51) Using psychedelics for decision-making About Caroline: Caroline Lee is a death doula, somatic therapist, writer, and mother of 2. She is the creator of To Babe or Not to Babe, a six-week group for people deciding whether to become parents, remain childfree, or have another child. Her work explores death, desire, grief, the body, and the threshold moments where a life starts asking to be lived more truthfully. Her kids are Moses and Octavia, 2.5 years and 5 months old, and she had them at 37 and 39 years old. She and her partner live in the Bay of San Francisco. As mentioned in the episode: Find Caroline and her 6-week group program, To Babe or Not to Babe, online at www.tobabeornottobabe.com. Find her on social media at @howcarolinecarolines MORE HELP FOR YOUR KIDS OR CHILDFREE DECISION: Start Here: sign up for an upcoming WORKSHOP  🔗 https://kidsorchildfree.com/workshop Join a GROUP PROGRAM 🔗 Kids or Childfree Group Program ▸ https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/kids-or-childfree-program 🔗Confidently Childfree Group Intensive ▸ https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/confidently-childfree-group-intensive Access an ON DEMAND class  🔗 Peruse the entire On Demand Collection ▸ https://www.kidsorchildfree.com/ondemand Join one of our monthly SUPPORT SERIES sessions  🔗 Kids or Childfree Support Series ▸ https://kidsorchildfree.com/kids-or-childfree-support-series 🔗Confidently Childfree Support Series ▸ https://kidsorchildfree.com/confidently-childfree-support-series Work with me in 1-on-1 COACHING  🔗 https://kidsorchildfree.com/coaching FREE resources ▸ https://kidsorchildfree.com/free-resources CONNECT ONLINE 💻 Website ▸ http://kidsorchildfree.com 📸 Instagram ▸ http://instagram.com/kidsorchildfree ⏰ Tiktok ▸ https://tiktok.com/@kidsorchildfree 📽️ YouTube ▸ https://www.youtube.com/@KidsorChildfree  👉 Brought to you by Keltie Maguire, Clarity Coach ▸ http://keltiemaguire.com Love what you're hearing? 💕 Subscribe | Like | Comment | Share with a friend