113 ACF and Lucee Roundtable, with Charlie Arehart, Gert Franz, Mark Drew and Ben Nadel

Charlie Arehart, Gert Franz, Mark Drew and Ben Nadel talk about "ACF and Lucee roundtable" in this episode of the CF Alive Podcast, with host Michaela Light. "Michaela Light 1:41 So let's start off by looking at how Adobe CF 2021 and Lucee 5.3 and how they compare for ease of programming and  CFML. Mark Drew 1:57 I'm gonna have to jump out of the the Adobe side. Or maybe stake my my my bad claim is that I don't really know much about Adobe ColdFusion for the last five, six years since I haven't used it. Michaela Light 2:17 So it's okay. Ben and Charlie have been using it. And bring Yeah, I mean, just to clarify to the audience, Mark and Gert are more on the Lucee side of things. Ben and Charlie are more on the Adobe ColdFusion side of things." Show notes Ease of programming in CFML Modern CFML cfscript very similar to JavaScript on front end and server side Objects, closures, loops etc Lambdas, promises, closures, async features, fat arrow functions CFML more intuitive than Node.js Blocking and async CFML blocking by default is best - easier to code and what you need most of the time Async iteration CFML simplifies complex libraries and coding methods in other languages Modern IDE VS Code Adobe new add on Free CFML extensions available Open source vs closed source Cost Mindset - community When features are added Open bug list and prioritizing Democracy and pay for features Add to main language or extension Licensing differences Lucee: free Can pay for a support contract for tech support and other custom help ACF: Free for development, testing and staging servers 30 day trial turns into dev edition if no key added standard vs enterprise Free education std license (for teaching and students, not school administration use) AMI also offers 30 day trial Charges begin after 30 days Freemium model Avoids barrier to entry Hosting Cloud Docker Microservices and lamada Cores Kubernetes clusters  and auto scaling Compare to IBM, Microsoft, Redhat in cloud licence Pet Freitag Fuseless AWS lambda CFML features in ACF and Lucee PDF support Cloud support Ease of Installation and hardware requirements Zip/express/light install option Much faster start up time (2 seconds) Much smaller install image (50-200 MB vs 1000 MB) Cf2021: CFPM package management to only include the features you actually use in the CFML engine Full/gui install option War deployment option Silent install feature Commandbox Docker Lucee images Adobe images Commandbox images for either AWS AMI Hosting options Admin settings export/manage via json Cfconfig (commandbox extension) Cfsetup (cf2021 similar functionality) Community and 3rd party tools Rich community support, tools, ecosystem Adobe reinventing products, not always compatible Poisons the well of the community CFML Engine Speed, scalability and performance The engine does this scaling work for you CF runs fast on real life apps Performance issues always come down to bad code or database structure or API call delays Developer egonomics vs performance CFML is easy to learn and code in and sometimes you have to understand the consequence Load testing is key to exercise your app in real life situation Great monitor FusionReactor Also ACF PMT, SeeFusion, Java monitoring tools Garbage collection tuning is still a mystery to me. It’s magic. What you can expect in the future episode Docs (links below): much more than just CFML Reference, for both ACF Lucee cfdocs.org Community support (links below) ACF Adobe CF Forums Adobe CF Portal [email protected] (Free install support) Lucee Lucee Forum/Mailing list (Discourse) Both CFML slack Facebook CF programmers group Podcasts CF Alive Modernize or Die Tech support Adobe CF support programs Lucee support Third parties Security CFML Engine Updates New version releases Security hotfixes Why are you proud to use CFML? WWIT to make CF more alive this year? What are you looking forward to at CF Summit West? Mentioned in this episode ColdFusion at 25: More Modern than Most Realize ColdFusion Programmers FB group post about ACF and Lucee Adobe CF Docs Lucee Docs Facebook CF programmers group CFML slack Adobe CF Forums Adobe CF Portal Lucee Forum/Mailing list (Discourse)  Mark Takata CF Alive podcast episode TryCFML Listen to the Audio Bio Charlie Arehart A veteran server troubleshooter who’s worked in enterprise IT for more than three decades, Charlie Arehart (@carehart) is a longtime community contributor who as an independent consultant provides short-term, remote, on-demand troubleshooting/tuning assistance for organizations of all sizes and experience levels (carehart.org/consulting). Links Twitter Facebook LinkedIn Web Gert Franz Gert was born in 1967 and lives in Switzerland since 1997. He is one of the key people behind Lucee. Back in the late eighties he studied astrophysics in Munich but switched to later IT as a profession and programmed for several companies in the past as a database administrator and system analyst. Gert spoke a lot at all major conferences in the past and will for sure in the future. He is now a fellow at DistroKid. Links gert (at) rasia.ch http://rasia.ch/ Twitter LinkedIn Mark Drew Mark Drew has been programming CFML since 1996, and even though he has had forays into Perl, ASP and PHP he is still loving every line of code he has crafted with CFML. He has been a strong advocate for open source, having worked on CFEclipse, Railo and now Lucee as well as a number of other projects. He tries to create a pull request a day, to keep the bugs at bay. By day he helps other developers as the lead devops engineer at DistroKid, making sure that the carefully crafted artesanal code goes from laptop to server in the shortest time whilst keeping all its flavour. By night he develops games with CMD:Studio. He has been known to do a podcast too! called the Localhost Podcast in which we talk all about the web. He also talks about the process of making games on the Level Design Podcast Links Twitter LinkedIn CFML Slack Mark (at) cmdhq.io https://anchor.fm/leveldesign https://localhost.fm/ Ben Nadel Ben Nadel is the technical co-founder of InVision App, Inc - a digital product design platform used to make the world's best customer experiences. As the original CTO, Ben now spends his days as a Principal Engineer, leading maintenance and development efforts on InVision's legacy platform. This includes systems monitoring, database optimization, instrumentation, back-end work, front-end work, product ideation, and research-and-development. He envisions himself as a champion of the User Experience; and, often advocates for the User even in the face of internal opposition. Outside of work-hours, Ben wakes up at 5 am, seven days a week, so that he can attempt to stay on top of the rapidly changing world of web development. He uses these early-morning hours to read, conduct experiments, and write articles for his blog, BenNadel.com, which he has been running since 2006. Links LinkedIn Ben Nadel blog Interview Transcript Michaela Light 0:02 So welcome back to the show. I'm here with a whole bunch of ColdFusion experts here we've got Charlie, Mark Gertz and Ben and myself. And we're going to be talking about Adobe ColdFusion. And Lucy the two leading ColdFusion engines, we'll see FML engines as I should say before we get beaten up by one of the CFML hardcore people. And we're going to look at some of the different ways they are the same or alike and compare and contrast them. So welcome, guys. Thank you. Welcome. And just in case anyone listening or watching this doesn't know who these are Charlie arehart is an amazing cold fusion troubleshooter Mark Drew is really dedicated to solving difficult cold fusion problems in the United Kingdom. Well, and worldwide, I think good friends is located somewhere in the center of Europe. I think Switzerland I want to say and is leading light in the Lucy community. And Ben de Tao comes to us from I believe New York City. And he publishes pretty much every single day. I don't know how you find time to do any work. He's been there DALBAR blog is one of the most popular ColdFusion blogs out there. So Mark Drew 1:22 I'm gonna say most popular blogs on the internet. Yes, I mean, nevermind coffee, just like I've been looking for like various different things online, unrelated to technology, by Nadel. brings me joy every day. Thank you. Michaela Light 1:41 So let's start off by looking at how Adobe cf 2021 and Lucy 5.3 how they compare for ease of programming and C CFML. Mark Drew 1:57 I'm gonna have to jump out of the the Adobe side. Or maybe stake my my my bad claim is that I don't really know much about Adobe ColdFusion for the last five, six years since I have haven't used it. Read more   Michaela Light is the host of the CF Alive Podcast and has interviewed more than 100 ColdFusion experts. In each interview, she asks "What Would It Take to make CF more alive this year?" The answers still inspire her to continue to write and interview new speakers. Michaela has been programming in ColdFusion for more than 20 years. She founded TeraTech in 1989. The company specializes in ColdFusion application development, security and optimization. She has also founded the CFUnited Conference and runs the annual State of the CF Union Su