Hello and welcome to Retrospection. In this episode, we're traversing time and space with the infamous 1996 Doctor Who, the movie. My name's Carlene, and I always dress for the occasion. And my name's Paul, and I'm not Bruce.
I'm merely inside his body. Best place to be? That's not the response I was expected to be. You told me that you don't, for I guess not.
I'm my best behaviour. I can tell it. And I'm sober. It's the middle of the afternoon, yeah?
Oh yeah, I'm not. I am actually. And I'm not deep. And I always dress for the occasion.
And I'm gone. At least she was fit perfectly. So you, obviously you may have noticed that we've got two extra people in the Retrospection house today. Because we live together probably now.
It's the house now where we like the Beatles or the Monkeys? The Beatles, I'm good. So with us today, we've got... Would you describe yourselves as Doctor Who Superfans?
Erm, that's a bit quite keen, Doctor Who fans. Personally, I can't remember a time in my life when Doctor Who wasn't part of my life. I think possibly my earliest memory might be of a rubber dinosaur from the John Kurtz episode of The Invasion of the Dinosaurs. I think that might be my first ever memory.
So it's something printed hard with me from a very early age. As I said, Doctor Who Superfans, I would say some of the most honest to be like this scarf and more contentions. Again, I don't remember time before Doctor Who. I had an older brother and walked Doctor Who.
As I was like, you know, I went to start playing but I couldn't see bits. I've got vague memories of some of the domestic toy episodes, but I didn't probably watch it. So when the TV movie came out, that was it. That was the first time I saw a proper Doctor Who episode going out for the first time.
It's when it's acting. I just realised I didn't say your name, so you're on handy. Sorry to introduce you to your own. I just wanted to get it.
That's one, you're good. I'll check you when I'm at it. It's nice to have people on the podcast who can correct her and I'm using giant inverted commas here. Facts.
So I would say that I'm also not a Doctor Who Superfans. I like the show. I grew up watching the show. I would probably say my Doctor was probably from Peter Davidson onwards.
I have the most memory of Celeste McCoy. Oh, yeah. Good or bad? No.
Bit about 3. Yeah. Yeah. But my go-to science fiction would be Star Trek.
Can I think Colin, you'd probably say Colin wouldn't you? Yeah, that's the story. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm also, I guess I remember Celeste McCoy would have been my period. Maybe Peter Davidson, because I always remember when Tom Baker regenerated into him. That's imprinted on my brain. So I must have watched that.
That's why. Yeah. We are the same age Colin. No, that's not right.
You're in your farts. I'm in the 20s. What are you talking about? I've told you this time and time again.
I'm sure I remember you as Google Colin. I've regenerated, but get the same face. I love you, Don. I have a good or bad.
I'm not sure which. You're like David Tenno. I think I might be on it all a lot longer than you two guys. I sort of, I sort of, I sort of, I'm talking about Tom Baker.
I suppose I'm not quite looking. I got the, I got the, I got back on the sleeve. I was the golden era of the classic era of home. So, and I was the first regeneration that I remember was in, in the David's and that, that sort of came as a, a right wrench, but that was like, Tom Baker's been talking to all my life.
And then I just got through this process of, of him turning into somebody else. And I haven't liked it. And I made well of, you know, sort of not, not part of the show on, but I did. And, you know, I'll take a few kind of exceptions.
I generally sort of like to the cast as the, as the doctor, and I sort of hold it ever, ever, ever since really. But yeah, that's not my key. It was for years in Brinkley Road. When you said you grew up with Tom Baker, it sounded like you lived with her.
Well, he and I, he, he, he kept that quiet. He wasn't around for a long time, hasn't he? Yeah. He's a lot of the, we've got a lot of fun.
I know, he dropped a lot of books. Almost the accident. Oh, right. Quite early on.
Probably kicked out of him, by the acting school. I don't say, I don't say, yeah. It's interesting when you say that, if you haven't connected with the next actor that came along, you might have drifted away from it because I think that's always the, the risk when they bring a new actor and stop through, you know, that you don't know what you've got to get. Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
I'll tell you, most of the time, I think they've got quite, quite right. Oh, I'm sorry, it's here. I've got a lot of famous, like, people are sort of going to go down the list, down the list, but as I said, it's Tom Baker. I think it's a part that really, the character and the actor, there's often not an awful lot of delineations between them.
I think Tom Baker is one of the most doctorish of the actual actors. You can look at Prettet's entry in the dictionary. I think there's a picture of Tom Baker. Whether all the stories about him are Tre or not, I don't know, but he's one of those people that have that street in the way of the story, and a good yarn.
I think this is a myth-hostess sort of thing. I think it's all about him. Yeah, he's definitely a character on the screen, I'm not, wouldn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's not shy of sort of giving him a lily with a yarn. That was so true. So, TMDB says, the seventh doctor becomes the eighth, and on the streets of San Francisco, alongside new ally Grace Holloway, he battles the master. Accurately straightforward, that's not bad, right?
We've had worse. We have, we have. Yeah. This episode's stairs, Paul McGahn is the doctor, Eric Roberts is Bruce, and the master, Daphne Ashbrook is Dr Grace Holloway, so that's the bakai as the doctor.
Yiji so is Chang Lee, Will Sasso is Pete, with the large Drake as Curtis. Chris Robinson and Peter Capaldi actually declined to audition for this, which is quite ironic. I didn't know about Chris Robinson, but I think I heard about Capaldi not wanting to sort of mess it up. I think he felt that he was too young at the time.
Maybe perhaps, maybe he's at the time he maybe felt maybe too close to the material, sort of closer to his fanbase, or maybe he was interested in something, something else, a bit at the time when he finally did take the part up. It was perhaps more of a prestigious role, but at that time maybe sorry, maybe Poisson Chalice and I. Didn't kind of all the eligible male actors audition for the book to do. One of them again, but as well as Von Gahn auditioned.
I'm sure he's not too dead as well. It's like James Bond, it's easier to list the actors who've never auditioned for the role. True. From the mind, I won't read out later then.
All right. We know what stuff we're getting at. So for people who know less stuff about Doctor Who, we should point out that it had been cancelled after its 26 series in 1989. And seven years later, we've agreed to be with this UK USA joint revival in aid by Universal Television with BBC Worldwide and BBC Drama and shown in the US on Fox Television.
Yeah, the BBC wanted Tom Baker, the doctor at the beginning, believe it or not. Which would have been weird in continuity, really, wouldn't it? Because this plays so well with the continuity. Yeah.
We'll get there, we'll talk about that. I don't know if it's a sign, but I've all been gone for this, just falling over. He's just based on conflict with tests. He's done, he's out.
I guess Tom Baker was probably winning being the most well-known doctor to the Americans that have seen the show. That's probably why he wanted it. But I'll give producer David Siegel his due. He was a big crew fan and he insisted that it had to be a Western court.
So I was going to tell you what's one of the nice things about it. But I think the client said, oh, he said, you know, it's just a confident spare party. We can come back for the for the generation. Maybe that was after Colin Baker not coming back for the first episode.
That's a tall little story. I don't know if he's ever felt that it was confusing to carry on the on torch. Yeah. It's good that they brought the Western court back for it though, because I think he gets a bit of a bomb wrap.
But as far as I'm concerned, I think he's not the greatest actor in the world, but he did okay. What does everyone else think about that? Right. The Western court.
I don't mind him. I'm okay with the Western guy. It's always been the writing that's let down the actor, playing the doctor. He's never really the actor themselves.
Yeah. I mean, I even like Colin Baker. In fact, I think I'm really watching the Colin Baker period now because it just released the one blue Raybury and I'm quite enjoying them. Yeah, I like Colin Baker.
Not so keen on the suit, but you kind of get over it, don't you? That's because he just. He said he's a resurgence through the. Yeah, they just went crazier and crazier.
What color? More vegetables. He had a resurgence through the big finish audio. It's what he's wearing.
So, yeah. There you go. Yeah. I remember meeting Colin Baker, a Reading Comic Con a few years ago, and I was standing in a line to buy a hot dog.
He did it by the one actually, of course. Colin Baker was between you and a hot dog. He was. He was.
He was. He was. He was. He was.
He was about to fight for it. I'm amazed he got out there alive. He started already. Look, he's already.
Well, we said 15 minutes in, he's already assaulted me. I remember watching this when it aired. I think I was in black pool at the time. Apparently ended with a dedication to John Furst, where he was recently passed.
Yeah. Yeah. That's what we do. I should say when they did, er, in America, they screened it opposite an episode of Roseanne, in which her husband suffers a heart attack.
You know, only the biggest show at the time. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost history of the same as famously the BBC schedule was bought the Zlevast and the Goya, all against germination rates.
You know, the most popular and all of them so far, which got the time and still goes to get huge ratings. Do you think, do you think I was at the impression towards the end of it that the BBC wanted it to die? I think so. Yeah.
I think it was. Yeah, it was bought out and put out in the past year, really. And it was basically the, you said about Zlevast and the Goya, I think the first season, it was certainly a bit pantomime. But as the second and third season's went on, it's got a lot more complex, a lot darker.
They deliberately scripted it to make a bit of mystery to it. Yeah. It sounds so pure. It's the doctor more than a time more than it is.
It's not going on there. It was quite nice. I was sort of hinted at. But you know, really bad about what was going on with it.
And sadly, I think it was just sort of fun, gets fainting, maybe getting a bit of momentum again. It got cancelled. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't bad timing a tradition of Doctor Who? Didn't the first episode screen on the day that JFK was assassinated?
It was the day after. Yeah, kind of being assassinated on the Friday, I think, because the first episode was reserved on the such unusual circumstances as well as still reeling from what happened before. I believe the first episode was repeated on the day after. Yeah.
Although this and a couple of special appearances in modern, the extent of Paul Waddens actual screen time as a Doctor, he's a fine Doctor in big finish audio productions for how many years now, quite a few. Must be at least 20. I'm guessing. I'm not listening to a huge musical about that.
I was talking about that. I was saying earlier, I did that with Antiti movies for as much Doctor Who media as you can see because you've got all the big finish audio's. There's the range of books, the comics, as I remember following the big finish audio's for a while. I've got a full set of the box upstairs and I carried on the story from the TV movies.
Despite them being any new on screen, the story that continues for a good while. And that probably wasn't it until it came back again. Yeah, and it was all the box series comic books as well. The world in this year's was not any kind of.
Can't we work with some prize winners? I read those comic books. No, come on, mate. It's still strange to me the way the BBC treats Doctor Who.
Considering how much money it's made for them, and for a good long period they didn't have to do anything to make that money. So it's just an odd, it's like they hate it, but they need it. It does have such a devoted fanbase. Internationally.
Yeah. Of course now it's going to be turning up on Disney Plus, isn't it? Yeah. That's going to be interesting to see how that develops.
The ratings, while they were par in the USA, it did very well in the UK. It was a top position in the drama for that week. Yeah, it was 9.1 million. Yeah, which is actually the same as what it got in the US, 9 million.
So, yeah. Yeah. It's all relative, isn't it? That's pretty healthy.
It's not a crucial bit of a semi-asset. I think the fans were gagging for it really weren't they? Yeah. Yeah.
It was also the generation that missed out on those years. It was sort of the world in the US. It's funny, isn't it? They call a lot of Star Wars.
You've got legacy characters and all of that, isn't it? And it's still that period of Doctor Who, when there was no Doctor Who, and it was just comics and books, it's still called The Wilderness Year. Yeah. That's the official title, isn't it?
Yeah. There is the total joke of how many Doctor Who fans it takes to an Eiffel, like none, but it's in the dark way to come back. So, another rival company, this was interesting, another rival company, had the right to make a theatrical version of Doctor Who. And because the rights were on the verge of expiring, they attempted to get a London Nimai, that London Nimai, to film a short sequence of the Doctor just so that they could extend the rights even further.
But... I would watch that. But... That vaguely written down.
But Philip, David Segal, he found out, and he contacted Nimai. And when he told him what they were up to, he backed out of it. Oh, okay. Nimai, no.
Magic. Would you have hoped we'd learn Nimai as the Doctor? Or is it one of those parts that has to be a British person? No, I don't think it has to be.
I think as long as he gets a good actor. You don't want an actor that's famous for a certain role in science fiction for another franchise, because that brings a lot of baggage with it. It does. But I think if you've got a factor, people can get around that.
It's got a sort of holding in the jumps, yeah. Yeah. It can't be done. I think the basic real should be, oh, they've got an actor coming up on the script.
What have you been... I think you've been confusing for particularly American audiences to see London as his character. But... I'm kind of curious as to what you might have done with it.
I don't think you don't think? Would you have seen London, London, London, that might have been a great, great week and... I don't think that's... I don't know.
I hope you didn't want to see that. Let her do more in her career. I know you've described it. Yeah.
You know what? You know a column which actor can't be interested in to see if you've played a Doctor there, don't you? I do, yeah. Michelle Nichols.
Yeah. No. No. It's all with you now.
It's all with you now. It's all with you now. I'm... I have the...
Doctor. Doctor. Doctor. Yeah.
What... the master in this would have been better as a villain. Yeah, he could get his little spark tasher. Yeah, he's also on the university here.
I'm just struggling there. Yeah, I think that definitely. Stephen Spielberg's Amblin, they were originally attached to the project as well, but when an early draft featured Nazis and an ancient artifact, he pulled out because he felt it was a little bit too Indiana Jonesy. But the funny thing was that the BBC hinged on them on Amblin being involved.
So the US producers didn't tell the BBC that Spielberg had bailed on it until after they'd already started filming them, and the production had started in case they back down. Wait, so there's film of this? Of what? Some what?
They actually started filming. No, no, no, no, they're not the Nazi version. No, no, no, this version, they started filming, but they didn't tell the BBC that Amblin had backed out of it because they thought maybe the BBC would pull the plug. Do you remember when this was first on the BBC?
That it was heavily aided, wasn't it? It was on pre-9pm, and there's certain parts of this that I don't think I saw until years later, because the first initial VHS release of this was the same version of the BBC. So the shooting was toned down? Shooting was toned down, yeah, and I think when he screams, when he's got some score, the coins screams, when he dies, that was cut as well.
Ah, for that is the best moment. It is quite a jolt. Seeing those opening scenes would be with the Dawnfire. It's very different from anything we've seen in Doctor Who before, it does strike as he was very...
And I can talk about America. Yeah, yeah, it's very simple. Even the filming technique and the wait looks is different. Yeah, yeah.
But I'm sure we'll talk about that in a minute. So we open with the narration, the master has been placed on trial on the planet's scare-all. He demands that his remains be taken back to the home planet's Gallifrey by the Doctor. And we get to the Daleks.
Well, slightly off-sounding Daleks. It's kind of like when Jim Henson died, that Kermit never sounded the same again, isn't it? But they weren't referencing the Daleks, was it? Was it a Daleksation?
They don't mention the Daleks. They don't mention the Daleks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They get to hear them be done.
Yeah, yeah. You basically get this massive info, don't put the start, don't you? Yeah, yeah. There's a lot to say that it's not the Daleks rate, it's a Daleks mention the Master, so he mentions that there's a time war, a bunch of scar-run.
That was one of the complaints at the time that there was too many references to Doctor Who had passed. That's like, oh, good luck. What would they think about modernhood? That's all it ever does.
It's interesting actually, because that most recent episode where they had a lot of the old doctors in it, I know people that that means nothing to, people that don't know, didn't know any one of those people were. If you compare this to when Lost City was bought it with Rose, he stripped it back, completely. Yeah. It was just, you don't know who it was, he said I'm a traveller, I've got a Spanish ship, I'm an alien.
And that's the evil soundtrack level. It was only at the end of the episode, he comes back to the end, and he goes, oh, did I mention it also travels in time? So even that, I thought it was such a dumb truss to the end of the TV movie. And I think they've been learned from the rest of the TV in a bit.
It's just getting very simple. Introduce this character a bit like the film, the original episode of the Doctor Who back in the 1960s, it's very kind of a lovely child. Nobody would have been a new movie whilst where it was wrong, it was just, he said, it was sort of a time-traveling box. That's all he needs to have.
That's another bit of an imperfect version, it's a big wrong one. Right. Don't sort of complicate it any more than that. And then once you've got people hooked in, then start layering in little references to time-walls, and time-walls, and Daleks, and then they make it much more, much more believable.
But it's less of a, less job. I wonder how far they were planning on taking it, if you add onto series, because I read in that book, Regenerations, those designs concepts in there for the Daleks. And they're more like in, that's the one. Yeah, I was looking at that early.
They've got redesigned Daleks in there, haven't they? It's sort of in sex toy bodies and weird metallic legs that they used to walk around with. I mean, that would really pissed off the Doctor Who fans, wouldn't they? So he did a lot of prep for material that they would plan to use.
Yeah, but you can't, you can't take it without the Daleks, but one of those designs would have been, sort of, Daleks came off to keep, keep the three fans on board. I don't know, it depends on how well it's done. It's got a story, aren't they? The men's oxberry, them?
Mm-hmm. Then why not, in a way? But it's interesting to compare it with the Daleks, okay, probably in 2005. Essentially, the Daleks very, very similar.
These sort of, it was the mini cupid of them, sort of, like the original mini design, they kind of beat it up a little bit, kept a lot of the same aesthetics there. And again, these new Daleks are basically sort of original Daleks on steroids or a few more, rivets and bolts and- They got wobbling. Why do we think of the opening theme for this one? I love it, you hate it.
I can play it back with it, it's not, they move the middle aces, it's gold. It's, that's- I think that's all theme, the theme music and the guitar, I like the title sequence, but that's all theme music. It's amazing, sounds like one of those horrible TV cover albums that you get that's always got the music played by the Prague fellow on the Dorquist Ross and stuff like that. I like those.
I know. I know. I know. I do.
I'm vinyl, Andy. I'm vinyl. Yeah, he's the one. I'm the one.
Yeah. What did you think of it? I like it, I'm on team. You've gone.
I like it. I think it's epic nature. It feels like a film. Yeah.
Yeah. I like it as well. I like it as well. Not for those reasons, not because it sounds like it's done by Jeff Love's orchestra or anything like that, but you know- Oh, it's not on Jeff Love.
Yeah. It's the... At the end, on the theme music, I'm sorry, or that makes you cringe, I'm sorry. The best, best, best.
Yeah. They almost didn't get to use it, apparently. They couldn't get the rights to the wrong-grain music. And they only got it at the right, they lemme that way.
They were going to come up with something completely different. Right. That would be interesting. I know.
I know. It would have sounded like it, but not been it. I think they've done something that invoked it without actually copying it. That's like watching one of the Sweeney movies and going, what was the Sweeney thing, true?
Yeah. Yeah. Because they don't have any albums. I suppose it's bonus that the Pete's version maybe didn't have anything.
I remember as a kid watching that on television for the first time. Yeah. What? What's the...
What's the... What do you love those movies? Oh, and don't we? I do remember as a kid, the first time I saw those.
It was a bit jarring, which you kind of like that. This is Doctor Who doesn't like Doctor Who. Where's the TARDIS interior? It's not the same.
You've got big leave-a-lay pulls. What's going on there? Yeah. Let's go to Darlick movies.
They're not done to movie movies. Yeah. Technically. They only had rights to certain things and perination stuff, they had as well, didn't they?
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why it's called the Professor, right? Mm.
So Darlick, great. So it's pretty simple, but we like them, right? Yeah. They're okay.
They do the job. Yeah. The logo was a long time over. It wasn't it after this.
That was the young John Hartree logo for the sort of... Okay. The re-advented for this in what's the same way that the new logo for the sort of probably end of the Disney Bloss era is a fancy male on Tom Vaydol. The Diamond logo, which I suppose we'd gladly go back for the 60th anniversary with that being the Diamond anniversary.
That was the first thing that I thought about. I never thought that. But yeah. I've never been in Doctor Who gets re-titled.
Yeah. I know. Regenerated. We also learned in this opening about the idea of 13 lives.
How does this fit into the Doctor Who storylines? That would have been established. It had, okay. Back.
Being the deadliest assassin, I think, sort of established this and people, people much known to that. Doctor Who kind of canon and lore has always been played fast and loose with by the by the writers and continues to be, obviously, we're hooked to the modern era. I was going to say, it's not 13 lives anymore. It's probably about 1300 lives, isn't it?
I don't think so. It's one of the only ones that I think these days. Yeah. Yeah.
But I thought about the stage. It was believed that the master was coming towards the end of his allocated slot of. I think even that, I'm sure in this, this is what I really know. In the Five Doctors, he was offered another regeneration cycle by the time.
Or so there's obviously this ability to sort of. Yeah. Keep it going. Somehow, sort of offer people a new set.
Why wouldn't every time I take that offer? I don't think every time I offer that offer. I think it's a special. Yeah.
I don't think I use it as a bride for him. All right. All right. All right.
All right. We get to see the interior of the TARDIS. What do we think of this version? Gorgeous.
It looks stunning. You can see all the money on, well, you could see both of it. I think you can actually, when they filmed it, you couldn't actually see all of it. When you see all the diagrams and the patterns of the actual TARDIS, it's huge.
I think you want to see a little bit on screen. It is amazing sense. I love lots of it. But there's a big buck up here.
It's a little bit too julus early, a little bit too steam funky. It's sort of, I think we're trying to kind of, sort of what Americans thought of British time machine would look like, rather than looking like an alien time machine. I think it was a side of the Great British eccentric, rather than an alien eccentric. Yeah.
I see what you do. There's a lot of time. Clerks, time travel, rapping. It's very literal.
Yeah. It's very unknown. It's a clock, doesn't it? Yeah.
And considering how often the TARDIS gets wrapped about, I am not sure that loads of candles and rugs are a good idea. So how can safety board board whatever that's, I guess, in the existing Gallifrey? Well, later, he's got, we see lots of fires in the cloister room, don't we? I mean, what's going on there?
And bats as well. Bats, yeah. Why not? Yeah.
Why the bats? It did cost one million this year. One million dollars. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. It's very handsome set. And it's one of those, you know, lavish production values for one certain stuff.
I love the, you know, back in the 1970s, there's the badly, the CS-owned screen view of that sort of, yeah. Well, that was, as you saw, what the, what they did on set was, and this one, the whole ceiling that opens up and shows you the inside galaxy projected onto the three. I thought that was a whole new sort of, yeah, it was very cinematic, wasn't it? Yeah.
Yeah. I did send Paula screenshots of something I noticed in that when Grace Holloway and the Doctor run into the TARDIS, there is a shot from down and it's an upward shot. And you can see a window in the top right and corner that does not look like part of the set. It looks like a window of a warehouse.
All right. I was like, I wonder if that was supposed to be there. Yeah. Or where I had to kind of ease it.
Yeah. Yeah. That's sort of a shot. Yeah.
That's supposed to be outside the service, was always went to the afterwards and back. And maybe the public side started to adapt as well. Yeah. We'll go with that.
Yeah. Yeah. And I also don't like that he's reading HD World's Time Machine. Again, this is another example of it being, like you said, on the nose of everything.
Yeah. I think even the song does the song stick on the word time. I think when the main glitches. Yeah.
You're like, OK, I get it. It's a time machine. Yeah. So, so time long turned to go when they die.
Is that right? Well, apparently in this episode, for the comedians to get in squeeze through the, the kill. Yeah. All right.
What did you think of the effect, Paul? Because I know you have problems with water and liquid effects and films. You know what? I didn't.
I have a prior on this. I actually didn't think for what it was. I thought it was OK. I thought it was OK.
Really? Yeah, I did actually. I didn't mind it. Seriously.
You're looking at me. A little bit of bias coming in here, but OK. Me bias, never. So, um, you can't remember.
No, no, no, no, you can't. No, no, no, no, no. No, after you sir. So, a couple of like we are.
So, the master escapes doesn't, of course, the charges to crash land. And we get that gunfight. Where are those goons? Just as a little sign.
Where are those goons just hiding behind the bins on the off chance of those other guys were going to turn up? Yeah, they've been there all day waiting. I mean, infernas does bins are bulletproof. So, you know, and those boxes.
And that curve is to be bulletproof too. Just seem to be, yeah. No, nobody spurs a lot. Nobody was damaging that curve that they granted for that day.
Where are they now? No, no, it's got to go back at five. I did like that the third is landed in front of a huge poster of bottoming pallets. Did you see that?
Yeah, isn't it a visit long term poster? Yeah, nice little time. Yeah. I do actually love that scene where the artist's lunch, because also, you've obviously the artist just sort of faded and fade out of a quarry in the middle of Wales.
Someone. I like all the sort of the ambiance of act of the lightning light. What was the lighting with it? And the newspapers swell around.
And everybody's looking at the sky as it comes down. I love the music in that particular sequence as well. It's quite a stirring, alarming of the artists. Not that effect of the wind around the artist's lunch land.
It's something that they carried on today as well, isn't it? It is. Yeah. Yeah.
I'll have to move on to the next one. It's probably one of the first times we've seen the third disappear where things can move around it, where everything doesn't have to freeze. Yeah. Yeah.
That's true. There's a nice little John Smith reference as well on the kids filling out the metal form and the ambulance. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
That was a, that was a, that was a serious role on crime, wasn't it? So listen now. Perhaps I'll be along with some of the other doctor. Yeah.
I don't particularly during the perjury area, but I don't get to be used. He's quite a lot sort of since. Although the kid's when he's doing the farming, he goes, 19, 99. Really?
Yeah. And although there was a caption. I'm wondering if they were not going to do a caption and that's why they did that. Yeah.
Possibly. Yeah. Because then throughout the entire episode, people keep going like, 19, 99. Yeah.
And we, I get what year it is. What did we not all do that in? 19, 99. I guess we did.
I was drunk and I don't remember. Between 1999 and 2010. So we get to meet Grace, played by Daphne Ashbrook. So you've all seen that, Dr.
Who am I? Film, haven't you? The documentary? Yeah.
Just, just, just see the way that goes. I like a character a lot, but just as a person, the actress herself, she seems like great fun at conventions. Was it just? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I don't think we've ever seen a convention like people. I don't think they've seen a DVD they did of Her and Von again, like a convention. Yeah.
They seem like they've all got a bit of double up to me. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a shame that we didn't get that chemistry on screen for a couple of seasons with them together.
She didn't come back and do a big video, but not as waste. They weren't allowed to do that. But she came back into the character of the guy. Do we all right, Grace, then as a character?
She's very good. Yeah. She has one of the best intros. You know, the opera and then sweeping through the hospital in the gown and the she'll probably choose.
That's an introvert. I'm going to try to run it slowly. Yeah. Sorry.
I'm going to die. I kind of want my doctor to actually listen to my chest first before I cut him open and wondering why it got too fast. You know. So keep the energy up, Colin.
You know, you've got to keep it moving. Yeah. And they keep going like, it's a double exposure x-ray. Oh, yeah.
Is it a double exposure? Why is it hurting the other side? That would still be in the same place. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah. You're also thinking about it. You're thinking about it too much, Colin. Oh, yeah.
Sorry. I'll start with that. I agree that I think it would have been interesting to see how she would have developed her series with the doctor. Yeah.
It's a great chemistry though. I wish to. Yeah, but I wish they hadn't done the relationship thing. Yeah.
Well, we'll get to that when we get to the moment. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah.
So she has to leave the opera, right? Because she gets a call because they're taking the doctor into the hospital and it's going to be a heart operation with your speciality. And then why is she's getting all this grubs and stuff? Her boyfriend calls her to moan about her leaving for this emergency operation.
Brian. I mean. He's just there to make it obvious why later in the series, she's going to decide to go with the doctor as she because she's not got all the body attachments here, I suppose. Right.
Because he's a doobabic. Yeah. Yeah. Does he actually get any lines?
No. He just takes them. He just coughs when he's there. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's huffing because he didn't want to be at the opera anyway.
He's only gone because she's working there. OK. Well, I want to see the audition process where they're lined up several actors and said give us the best of all. I could have done that.
No. I'll give you a shit back. Come on then. Sorry.
Sorry. OK. I could do another one. I could do another one.
I can do another one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's the first one. Yeah. That's the first one.
Yeah. It does it down yourself. He does his lips. No.
That's the half you do when anybody actually to do something. Oh, it's bigger than that. It's a bigger half than that. Trust me.
OK. Bigger that. There's a lot of horror themes in this. It's a lot of possession.
You've got body horror. And then it's even like the Frankenstein stuff. Like we're going to come through in a minute. Oh, yeah.