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114: King Emeric of the Daggerfall Covenant

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The Elder Scrolls Lorecast, a place where the Elder Scrolls community can come together to discuss the boundaries of our knowledge about the universe. The Elder Scrolls Lorecast. All right, adventurers, welcome back to the Elder Scrolls Lorecast. I am your host, Tom, or robots, and I'm here with my wonderful co-host, the lettuce of Broome.

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We're now clearly into the New Year, a few weeks now. I feel like time's just flying. We're moving through stuff. And we've started into the different leaders of Elder Scrolls online, specifically.

We talked about Jorn last week. And this week we're moving on to the current leader of the Daggerfall Covenant, King Emric, who has a similarly interesting story. It isn't as developed, I would say, as somebody like Jorn, but it's still interesting. And yes, there are a number of details that I'm not going to cover because they tie into a lot of the quest lines that you can do in the game where he's involved.

I was going to say one of the big problems with discussing him is the fact that part of his story in game, which would spoil what you're doing in the Daggerfall Covenant. I'm not granted the base game, but there's no reason to just overtly spoil things for the sake of spoiling them. But some of his character development and history is portrayed in the game, which is a little different than Jorn, where you can just read his background. So we're going to go to a little bit of that, but there's a lot of these other side quests and things that we're not going to hit all of them.

It was either a very specific amount of things or a ton of stuff and kind of go through all the different plot lines. We're going to cover the most important stuff. So if you don't want any spoilers about some of the stuff that happens in the game, you may want to skip, say, the second half of this episode. But you can still listen to the first half.

But that comes to some of his most important stuff, though, I think. Yeah, and I mean, to be fair, it's hard to discuss lore and theory and stories of the series without having them be spoilery. There's always a little bit of that. Yeah, it's hard to have a look at where you can't discuss spoiler-based stuff, not that we aim to spoil stuff.

Right. But this is content that's been out for years now. Yeah, this is base game. This is base game stuff.

So yeah, no worries there. Nothing from the most recent expansion. None of the stuff that came out the last year, at least the storyline aware. So let's dig into it.

With any good ruler, you kind of have to understand how they came to power and who was in power before they arrived. And King Emric wasn't the kind of leader who just was born into the position. Like his parents were the previous rulers, and therefore he became the next ruler. It's a little bit different for him.

So before King Emric rose to power, the previous ruler of Wayrest, which is where King Emric comes from, was King Gardener. And this is of course during the second era. And we don't know exactly when King Gardener came to power. That hasn't been revealed in the lore yet.

But it was sometime before the second era of 563, because that was the end of his reign. And King Gardener was the last member of the Gardener dynasty, which descended from the merchant prince who was first proclaimed king. And as we know, with a lot of the people from that area, with a lot of Brettons, that they were all merchants. So a lot of them are known for their mercantilism.

If that's a word we can use mercantilism. I mean, that's a fancy word. If you say it with conviction, it's a word. It's a word.

And he was known for expanding the city's walls and fortifications and allowing it to survive a 57-day siege by Durkorrocks invading hordes back in 541. So Durkorok, that's another name that may not be familiar to you. Durkorok was the Reachman Emperor of Tamriel, or at least Cyrodiil at the time. And if you remember back from a number of episodes, I think maybe two or three months ago, we talked about the Reachmen and the fact that they were actually the rulers.

They were on the throne. They were the emperors for a very short period of time. And this ties back to that. So this is when we were as forces were instrumental in defending the Reachmen or defeating the Reachmen.

And in the aftermath, King Gardener joined with several other Bretton kingdoms in signing the first Daggerfall Covenant, a pact of mutual defenses. And this is the beginning of that negotiation. And way rest thrived for many years after until the King was suddenly felled by the Manhattan Flu. And this was one of the flus that killed a lot of people in Tamriel.

We've talked about this in the past before, along with his entire family ending the Gardener dynasty. So basically anybody who could have followed after him was also taken out by the flu. That's rough. Yeah, it's rough to have your whole family lineage just whap.

That's the end. Although I get the brilliant and hot and fluted that to a lot of families in the law. Yeah, I think from a story writing standpoint, it's a very nice, clean cut way of saying this is where the old stuff ends and this is where the new stuff is. But at the same time, it's also very interesting because it really does happen in reality.

You look at the lineages of say, kingdoms and things like that. And some of them were actually destroyed by things like plague or whatever in the real world. Yeah, for sure. So he succeeded King Gardener.

And he was of the Cumberland dynasty because he was of Cumberland, Emric of Cumberland. And he would go on to form the second Daggerfall Covenant, which vied for the Ruby Throne, of course, during the Interregnum. So he finished the deals that were being worked out by King Gardener who had initiated those deals. Any other thoughts on this stuff?

So not really. I mean, I always found, we'll go more into this when we cover the third ruler from the third faction of the El Nair to minion next time. But to me, this, how can I put it? The Daggerfall Covenant and King Emric himself strike me as we had talked about how Jorind was kind of so atypical of what you would expect in a ruler.

Whereas the Daggerfall Covenant and King Emric seem like such a, this is your medieval style of succession to become a ruler and make political alliances, marriages, all of this stuff for the sole purpose of succeeding in your ambitions to rule. Right. And being good at military, being good at finances, a trade. Yeah, just commerce in general.

Treaties and everything. Like all of the aristocracy stuff that you're supposed to be good at and trained to do. Yes. They strike me or, you know, this whole thing is spearheaded by Emric himself.

They are, to me, the stereotypical, this is your medieval dynasty coming together to rule a region, which isn't, which isn't like a bad thing, just because it's a little more predictable or anything like that. But it's just, it's funny that they're almost like the grounding in here is our Anglo-Saxon style of evil input into the series. Right. Are you guys familiar with Western Europe?

Here you go. Here you go. This is the Bratton's. And some of his diplomatic credit goes to the fact that the tensions that we had talked about in the Ebenhardt Pact are equally, if not, I wouldn't say more so, but certainly at least not equally in many situations between the three races that he does bring together under the banner of the Daggerfall Covenant because Manny Orks just got kicked constantly from all sides.

Oh, yeah. Sorry, right. Yeah. Yeah.

So you're a very, very, very aggressive as hell and you've got this unified beating of the Plurosimer who are formidable force, but getting these people to all cooperate for a while and a very, very uneasy truce is, I don't know, it's very different than what we discussed last time, but with a couple similarities to their formation as well. Yeah, it's not an easy task. So I think that just goes to show how qualified somebody like Emory Corry, or even, you know, his King Gardener was either in either case, that they were able to broker these things and actually see them through. Especially with the fact that they were both known for their military prowess, but they knew not to always rely on military prowess.

They knew that sometimes they needed to rely on diplomacy and that they seem very balanced in those two ways. So let's talk about his rise to power. Of course, he was a member of the Cumberland Dynasty. His father's name, Eric Pirick, was, he was sure that he was school schooled in both economics and military matters, again, part of that balance.

And he served as a lieutenant escorting carevans during the summers. So he was experienced, at least in escorting and military types of command structure operations, those kinds of things. And he was 20 in the second era of 541. This is when this kind of recaps a little bit of it.

He helped fend off the onslaught of the Reachman during Durkorok's leader. I'm sorry. He helped fend off the onslaught of the Reachman leader, Durkorok. When the latter began leading attacks against cities in High Rock, Emoryk finally killed.

Emoryk is the one who killed Durkorok outside of Daggerfall. Now, as we know with, of course, these medieval types of structures being an important person who's already important, who then kills the bad guy, the leader of the faction is a very good way to win the sway of the people, right? That really puts your name on the map for other people to pay attention. Right.

So then, of course, when they need a new leader, they're going, well, what about Emoryk? He's the bad guy. He's awesome. Right?

So that makes sense for him to rise to power in that kind of context. Then in 563, the Nihan flew swept through High Rock killing, Gardener, and the entire, his entire line, like we talked about, and succession fell to Emoryk, who ascended to the throne beginning the Cumberland dynasty. And when this happened, there was purportedly a halo of gold around the sun on the day of his coronation. Now, is this like popular myth?

Is this like, oh, he was a chosen new king of a new line. And so of course there was a halo sun. Or were the powers that be doing something on that day? Or was this being summoned by some magical force among the powerful to make it look like it was predestined to be a thing?

It was to say, right? Yeah. It's either imaginary, the aedra, someone of the aedra or somebody did it, right? Or it was actually summoned through magic.

Those would probably be my three most likely reasons for thinking that happened. So then he went on to wed Princess Mariah of Sentinel three years later. And this greatly angered King Ransar of Shornhelm, who had desired Emoryk to marry his daughter, leading to Ransar's war in the last seat of that year. He wielded the Orkalk scalpel as an orc weapon.

When Ransar's army came to the gates of Oerrest, and Emoryk's forces eventually succeeded in breaking their siege of his city. Again, military prowess, successful in military stuff, proving again that he should be the leader, right? In the aftermath of the war, Emoryk helped forge the Greater Daggerfall Covenant. This is when that was finally forged.

Emoryk was a strong advocate for invasion of Cyrodiil in order to restore, if it's the true flame of the Empire of Man. Believing that the Empire needs always to be led by Man, Manish-Race, so why not of Bretton, right? That's very funny for a number of reasons, but granted, yes, the Bretton's are a Manish-Race, but they're known for being half the Manish between. So the irony is it lost on me there.

That I guess in that situation, it's like, yes, we need to have a Manish-Race on the throne. So by doing that, you're saying that actually the perfect solution is a mix of the two, which is OK, that seems the most believable, I guess. Yeah, that's an interesting propaganda, almost in the same vein that the Elmeri Dominion does with their pushing forward the narrative of, well, no, it's clearly the elven line that the murder should be in charge of the murder. Right.

The murder of the MERS, the MERS settled the entire continent. This is our continent. We should be ruling. So it's funny to see that there's actually an alternate take basically using the exact same logic that was done against them.

Right. So the logic in this one is the empires that they recognize have always been led by Manish races. Right. So therefore they should continue that lineage and the elves are going, what about before that?

Right. But that's the thing. It's a unifying factor amongst the not-mer races. That's a pretty solid unifying factor.

It's like, all right, not them, then us. It's like, all right, well, there's your unity. The only thing that is interesting, of course, is the deck of all covenant, not involving the porcimer, which is an interesting wrench in that. It's like, all right, so you're still going to be talking down to one of the three groups in your situation.

Right. And notice that the marriage for the diplomatic marriage that occurs is between a Bretton and a Redguard, where both are Manish races. There was no sign of, like, he debated between marrying the daughter of the Orchist tribe or the Redguard woman. Like, there's none of that.

It's like, yeah, I'll marry the Manish one. That's fine. But not an orc. There's no consideration of that at all.

Yes. And it does. It's funny because everybody, well, all of these factions and we'll discuss more with it, I mean, the next time has one, at least one kind of like repressed group and they're kind of brought in and this is how they get along. And it's funny, the Argonians, you know, the attempts to eliminate slavery part of it, the Orch really seemed like they're just simply there as a matter of proxy and muscle to the scenario.

Yeah. It seems like they're still on the outs or at least that's always been my impression from doing it. Well, culturally, they're very, very different. Like, they're different between the Ren's and the Redguard's, right?

Like, they came from very different places. They had different histories. But there is a certain similarity in that, like, they're all Manish and they have a belief in, like, similar types of governmental styles. Right.

Whereas the Orch's are very tribal. They're very tribal. It's very different. And if you were, again, not to go out of our way to spoil anything, but the Rothgar DLC for Orcenium delves a lot into this storyline with King, what's his name?

Croc, Crocog. I don't remember. Yeah. They're all like, more gawking, core gaw.

Yeah. Apologies. I don't know. King Corog.

That's it. There you go. Almost positive. Yes.

Just that much a cuz, guz, hers and yeah. And then eventually you get to where it. And then you get to see more of the Orcenium or whatever. What do you call it?

But if you were to do that storyline, you get to see more of the Orcenium or side of things. And to exactly that point, a lot of the Orcenium or tribes are opposed to the fact that Orcenium is this structured establishment along more of the medieval style lines that the Brettons and the other Red Guards use as well. So that's actually one of the stories. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like they're losing their culture to the other societies around them. Exactly.

Which is, you know, like, that's again, another real world thing. And in many cases historically, when a smaller, less powerful culture is too much proximity to or enveloped by a larger culture, oftentimes that doesn't go, they don't go unchanged. The interesting thing here though is that as much as I've studied history, which is a good bit, the same thing does happen to the dominant culture as well. Look at the way English evolved when taken over by the Normans.

We went from a very Germanic language to a mixed language and it never did quite change for either group or never did quite go back. Well, other concepts in this too. You take America, you take a very Western European style of governments and culture and then you import a bunch of slaves from Africa. And a few hundred years later, we're still dealing with the issues of that.

But you can't say that the dominant culture, the Western European culture wasn't highly influenced by the less dominant culture of the Africans. You know, look at our music, look at our culture. All of it is very influenced by both. So it's, you know, it works both ways.

So interesting stuff. Yeah, jazz is a good representation of that. And for all the, for all the difficulties, and we've been going through a lot of these in the last year, there's been a lot of talk about, you know, racial division and things like that and how everyone needs to come together, which, lotus and I firmly believe that everybody should come together. Yes.

And so for all of the negative things that come about it through racism, you end up with a lot of positive things as well. You have the combined cultures create things that are beautiful that never would have existed separated, which is really, really cool. Yeah, everything from jazz to rock and roll to hip hop to, you know, any of those styles of music would never have been a thing. Dance styles, language, there's a lot, there's a lot that we never would have gotten.

So anyway, interesting points. Why don't we move into the middle of the show and we'll come back with some interesting stuff about the later part of his reign, or at least the more current part of his reign, and then some other little tidbits toward the end here. The skies are marked with numberless sparks, each a fire and everyone a sign. So this is the part of the show where we get to thank our patrons.

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So let's get into this. It's a little bit more information about King Emric. In 582, he was abducted by Magus General Septima Tharn. Tharn, right?

We're talking about the Tharn family. Of the Imperial Legion for whom he had once nursed an unrequited attraction. Dun dun dun. She took him.

I've been listening to the Mechanists' raps and every one of them end with dun dun dun. That's not sucking my head. Alright. Somebody have shifty eyes real quick.

Yeah, right. She took him to a famed Red Guard Crypt to the Hall of Heroes, which her scouts had rediscovered in the fallen waste of Benkurai. There she slew King Emric. So not only was her love unrequited, but she kills the guy.

Dead. And then she was able to physically follow his soul to the far shores. A soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant was able to follow and slatharn in turn. As a reward for his heroic deed, get this.

Toaaka allowed the soldier and King Emric to return to life in Mundus. If Toaaka is not a familiar name to you, it is because Toaaka is not one of the standard aedras or daedras that we usually talk about. Toaaka is actually a Red Guard deity, a Red Guard god who represents the conveyance of souls to the afterlife. And just real quick, Toaaka is the tricky god of the Akudan god of souls.

Of course, Red Guards came from Yakuza. Kudan god of souls and god of the far shores. Before the creation of the world, he was the god of nobody really cares. Which is my favorite.

I love that. When Talpapa, they'll have great names, undertook the creation of the walkabout. Toaaka found a purpose. He became the caretaker of the far shores and continues to help Red Guards find their way into the afterlife.

Toaaka must have believed that Emric and the soldier were not ready to be dead and brought them back. The soldier didn't die. They just went into the far shores. But Emric died and was resurrected.

Talk about medieval, western religion or myth, a king who dies and is resurrected. Emric represents that right here. You've got kind of a Jesus thing going on a little bit. A little bit.

Not exactly. But the whole, this kind of stuff happens in literature a lot. The death and resurrection of a prime character. Yeah, so super interesting.

And toaaka wasn't even his god. So that's what I find most fascinating about all of this. Because if one of the, if I'm, I don't know, if I was, I guess this is a world where praying to gods where at least Daedra gets you a response, which is an uncommon, it's more uncommon to have the Adra actually do anything for you. But if I am resurrected or I am given a gift by a god that I don't acknowledge really because one would not assume that as a Bretton, he's praying to Toaaka or anything like that.

If he returns me to life, I am like pretty on board with like, okay, I chose incorrectly and I need to go with that. I need to change my beliefs here. This is now my god of choice. Yes.

Yeah, because he's reaching entirely out of his own pantheon into like, okay, we're going to save this Bretton. It's like, well, that settles that. I mean, this guy's clearly like amazing because he just gave me a second chance at this. So what's also interesting about this is that King Emric is killed and his soul dies and goes to Toaaka's realm.

It doesn't go to, what's the, the, the theorious, right? It doesn't, oh, there's not like a direct movement to a Theorious. The assumption here is that this must be some sort of stopgap point in oblivion before souls move on to a Theorious. And that also raises the question of like, is Toaaka the same as RK or Xerxes who seem to be that same role, the, the god who ferries the souls of the dead on to where they're going?

And this is actually brought up in a book I discovered in researching this called Toaaka Archan's Arxis by Lady Sinabar of Tanneth, a discussion of the similarities of gods. And there's a passage at the very end that talks about Toaaka. It defines Archan's Arxis. These are management and Moorish gods of, you know, moving people on to the dead.

They're very similar but different in very specific ways. And then it talks about Toaaka, where it shows the pronunciation here is Toaaka and says, which brings us inevitably to the Yucudan deity Toaaka. How long he has worshipped in that name, he was worshipped in that name by the human tribes of Yucudas is now unknowable as all our races records were lost in the cataclysm that sank the archipelago. But as even old Frastus had the wits to note, it cannot be a coincidence that Toaaka performs the same functions for the Red Guards that RK and Xerxes do for the Tamrielic men and Merr.

Are these gods really separate and distinct deities or are they all aspects of the same deity, worshiper under different names in different cultures? Which leads me to ask the question, if they are in fact actually the same deity who can represent themselves in different gazes for the different cultures that they interact with, why didn't, why did Toaaka, Sarchis, not show himself as RK and Toaaka instead? And it was, was it because they were trying, or he was trying to give Emric a sense of importance and legitimacy for the Red Guard people? Do you follow the logic there?

Yeah, no, I was going to say, here is physical proof that we matter more than maybe you were giving us credit or something like that. Right, you married into this line of Red Guard royalty, your wife is a Red Guard, but don't see them as different people who have different beliefs that you're just going to put up with, like, sure, their beliefs are just as legit as yours because I freaking brought you back from the dead. Yeah, I could see that as a potential reasoning behind something like that. Because again, it seems strange that someone that obviously, I mean, unless they just never mentioned it, mention it, and he had been praying to the Eukudan gods this whole time, which seemed unlikely.

There seems like there would be a deeper reasoning behind that just happening other than, hey, you know, what the hell I'll just grab you, you seem fine, you read some good things, I'll just pull you back for no reason. Like that's a very good point. Or, or I'm looking out for my people. I believe that you, this pairing of these two groups is good for my people.

I would like your descendant who is mixed with the Red Guard people to remain in power therefore I'm going to keep you alive. Something along those lines, either making them seem more legitimate or helping to forward their agenda by, again, making the Red Guard's more legitimate in this, in this treaty that they, you know, this, I don't know what is it, what's the word, but the two groups come together and, you know, they work together. Where it's fall out of my brain. So, so I found this other passage, alliance in alliance.

Yeah, I was in this cabinet. You don't have, I'm going to see some red covenant, good luck. You could use the word coming. I'm not sure.

Imagine that. So, I'm in a line for, and we're talking about the covenant. It's almost like all the words are just right there and we're not grabbing them. Yeah, right.

Imagine that. So in the, I look over a few different wikis when I put this together and usually if I quote stuff, I quote from the U.S.P. But this passage right here, I thought did a really good job summing up his legacy. And this comes from the fandom site.

And it says here, the history surrounding Emric of Cumberland after the second era 582 is unknown. That's right. Like the time after the game, we don't really have a story for how his line ends, but he paved the way for a new era of prosperity for the Kingdom of Wayrest. Emric was the first in line for the Cumberland dynasty that ruled over Wayrest.

Considering Emric's age, he had likely passed away a few years since he was killed in Benkurai with his son of likely Bretton Redgard descents, assuming the throne of Wayrest and likely the Daggerfall Covenant. Eventually, the Cumberland dynasty was killed off for reasons unknown, being replaced by the Horely dynasty, who would then be replaced by a line from the Septum dynasty beginning with Magnus Septum. By the time the Tiber Wars had occurred, Emric's Daggerfall Covenant was likely was over. Likely through internal strife, since the second Orcineum was sacked by then and both of them both, High Rock and Hammerfell had little to no relation with each other.

While Emric's legacy of the Covenant had failed, to an extent his legacy and Wayrest would last forever. So he did his best to bring the people together and unite around these things, but as history would have it eventually things fall apart and the groups become bitter again and separate, which, you know, that's kind of the way things go sometimes. Yep, there wasn't destined to be in this situation. Nope, no, wasn't destined to be.

But it's kind of interesting to think that these kinds of things do happen. And again, this makes me think of things that happen historically. For example, most of us know about the French king. Man, I should have written this down earlier, but it just occurred to me now.

So I didn't have time to write down early. The French king was the fifth, that was 800s. What was his name? He basically united what was left of Europe after the fall of Rome.

French first. Pauline King. No, no Napoleon was like 200 years ago. That was actually much later.

Never mind. Scratch that. That's not Louis. It's.

I'm not going to remember it right now. I'm trash with history. Yeah. Yeah.

I was going to say names and exact dates, not my strong points. So I was like, right. It was before France was a thing, but there was a king from that area area who came to power and was the first king to unite a lot of the people in the post Roman era. And also, although he was illiterate, he was able to start schooling.

He basically created schools and created education actually brought people together, kind of united people. And then after he died, passed things on to his son. And then of course, everything dissolved back into these like feudal states again. Charlemagne.

Charlemagne. That's it. I'm just going to grab that name for quite a while. I just pulled this out of my butt.

But I didn't research this ahead of time because it just occurred to me that this is very similar to that. You have a fractured area with lots of different groups and people who are leading these different groups and they don't get along and they don't unite. And then you have somebody who comes and unites them and creates a better situation for everybody. And then they go on, pass away, everything eventually falls apart again.

And it was almost like they weren't there. Although they did have an impact for the rest of time, it wasn't a lasting situation that was created. People in Normandy share a Norse descent after France surrendered the area to the Vikings. Anyway, fun stuff.

Fun history things. And I might be getting something wrong, but it just occurred to me that it's similar in some ways. Any other thoughts on this? No, it's just the only thing that I do find interesting about their side, which I'm not going to lie until you finished up there at the very end with the legacy section.

I actually kind of forgot that I mean, they don't directly have the time frame as it seems like it did dissolve as they devolved back into that. But they seemed almost like they had a more conclusive end to their covenant. Whereas the Ebonheart Pact, not so much. The Dominion will get into that next time.

But there's kind of up in the air about how all of this comes about. And I know it's supposed to be ambiguous because you're the hero in your story and there's three factions. So it's like, oh, nobody really wants to be the loser. Pick the wrong side.

But we know that in the end, none of these factions are still around. Well, to a degree, there's modified versions of them. But none of them even know themselves exist the way that they were in this game. And with EP or the Ebonheart Pact, it's kind of ambiguous, more so.

Like, do they go back to that? Slavery actually kind of isn't so much a thing, but it isn't certain regions. So obviously that doesn't get completely removed. There's still the tensions between all the races over there.

With the Daggerfall Covenant, it seems pretty conclusive that they just like, oh, yeah, they devolved back into just this beforehand. They say, I mean, maybe I'm taking this too literally, but it seems like they directly lose. They easily point to the fact that they just don't win this three banner war, so to speak, which is interesting, I guess. I kind of didn't remember that they had a little bit more of a conclusive end to their lineage.

But like I said, they all kind of end. It's just well, it's only so many years before type reception rises to power. Basically calms everybody, right? And if you're going to be of Nordic or Imperial background, you're going to claim them for yourself and everyone else is going to have to say, yeah, type reception kick their butts.

I mean, that's kind of what happens at the end of the era. Right. So when it comes to the pact, it's kind of like, since their main goal wasn't to rule, where is the other two factions were to rule, it I've always liked the fact that it's like, well, obviously we know what happens further down the timeline with that. So too many just comes in and brothel stomps everybody.

I can still be on the winning side because, hey, once we completed what we were doing with the Evan Hart pact, we just kind of drifted apart because that was the goal. Whereas the other two alliances, that's not their goal. It is to literally rule, which we know does not happen. So maybe that's, we didn't talk about it last time, but maybe that's why I feel like more of an attachment to the Evan Hart pact.

Because I guess with the fourth while breaking knowledge of knowing where the series goes, I like my faction not having a conclusive defeat in their history, so to speak. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Yeah.

There's a little part of you that's like, yeah, there's more chance that they actually win because I don't know they use. Right. Yes, exactly. Process of elimination, the opposing way.

It's like, well, you can't prove we lost. So by default, I think that I won. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that.

Well, this is a, again, another cool character. And as they usually do with any of these characters, they're pretty well fleshed out. You can, I mean, you meet him in the game, so you know what he's like personally, but you get a sense of like, okay, military, like, he's a formidable guy. It makes sense that he was the leader, you know, like he was good at military stuff.

He was good at financial stuff. He was good at diplomacy. Like he was probably the right leader for the right time. Yes, and he was the guy who killed the emperor who was previously in charge.

So, show him a job. Good on him. Good work. All right.

Well, thank you for joining us, everybody. The last of the remaining leaders who, again, words are dropping out. What's your name? Queen I ran.

Queen I ran. Words are not over to my head. Probably the most contentious of them. Yes.

Yes. I believe they're a lover or well, actually, it does say a lot of people don't seem to have an issue with her necessarily. So, right, it's her alliance, myself included where I despise the Elmeri Dominion. We ran around whatever.

That's fine. She means well, and her backstory is very cool. So I'll be excited to talk about that next time. Yeah, it should be a good episode.

Oh, man. Anything else going on before we head out? No, not really. Just streaming on Twitch when I get the chance.

I will be starting actually, I guess. The only thing of note, speaking of Dominion-based things, I would like to shout out my community and all the little groups who chimed in for this. I will be starting Battle Spire possibly this weekend if I can carve out a chunk of time, so that I can do what I can to see if there's any reference points that we can use for upcoming forecasts with the coming year of the Days of the Lillian. I put up a poll in which I left it to the community to tell me what race I would play.

I appreciate it. And then people did. And despite my co-hosts from Tales of Tamriel, both of them in fact, touting that people are just should vote Altmer to make my life crap. Dunmer won.

And I get to play a Dunmer in the new game, which is very cool. I've got a Red Guard. I want to see you play Red Guard through it. I would have been, I don't know what the stats are from game to game because they do change the racial bonuses and negatives to each game.

But I will say that Red Guard is one of my favorites to play because it just coincides with a lot of their strengths relate to running in like an actuality maniac. I'm not sure what the strengths and weaknesses of Dunmers will be. So I'll be curious how that works specifically in this game. And in this situation, I will be making a Dunmer and starting up my adventures in an Elder Scroll legend battle spire, which is I've heard very challenging and clunky is a word and adjective that's getting thrown at me a lot from people who have any experience in it.

So stay tuned. Hopefully I get some neat insights that we can use to decipher some of the upcoming stuff in the coming year for you. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Good luck with all of that.

I appreciate it. Also, thank you for the radio streaming before this and for some people jumped in during the live stream. And just again, reminder, come join us for the live show. We have a lot of fun chatting with you guys while doing the show.

And thank you to anybody who's here from Lotus's stream. If this is your first time, I would love for you to follow the channel. Come join us again on a future episode. We love having you guys here.

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And you know, you're welcome to hang out in the afternoons or the mornings if I don't have work to do, you know, play games with me or just watch. Love to have you here. So that's what I've got going on. Well, Lotus, thanks for being here again.

This was super fun. Sure. Okay, forward to next week. Yeah, thanks for being here.

And have a good week and until next week, try not to die. I was directed by a foreign god because I hear it's not particularly dependable. You know, maybe King Emoryx, the only one I've ever heard that working for. So yeah, don't do that.

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