115 ACF and Lucee roundtable (Part 2) with Charlie Arehart, Gert Franz, Mark Drew and Ben Nadel

Charlie Arehart, Gert Franz, Mark Drew and Ben Nadel talk about "ACF and Lucee roundtable (Part 2)" in this episode of the CF Alive Podcast, with host Michaela Light. "So this is part two of our panel discussion on Adobe ColdFusion and Lucee ColdFusion, or CFML, as they like to say. And if you haven't checked out last time, I'll put it in the show notes. But part one, we covered the ease of programming modern IDE, and open source versus closed source licensing differences. Some of the cool features in Adobe ColdFusion and Lucee, are ease of installation community in third-party tools and engine speed, scalability, and performance. So all of those topics, check out the first part. But this time, we're going to be talking about other things in Adobe ColdFusion and Lucee all the way cool places you can get documentation from how you can get help and support some of the podcasts out there. And engine updates. And we'll probably talk about some other things too because Gert gave us an extensive list of extra topics that we will work on fitting into the episode along with any other topics that Charlie, Ben, and Mark provided." Show notes Docs (links below): much more than just CFML Reference, for both ACF https://coldfusion.adobe.com/2017/11/did-you-know-theres-far-more-to-the-cf-docs-than-just-the-cfml-reference/  Lucee Cfdocs.org ACF and Lucee and different versions Open “source” in that all can add examples LearnCFinaWeek.com  TryCFM.com CFFiddle.org (ACF) ACF CFML reference and tutorial (developer’s guide 3000 pages) Adobe dox system - poor SEO / google search Prior versions PDF of all docs Good on keeping prior versions docs Good on features in each release and hotfixes Lucee weaker on new features in new releases “Hacktoberfest Lucee bug month (October) Charlies Hidden Gems posts and talks Ortus open-source GitBooks Learn CFML in 100 mins book IDE help - color coding, hover help, F1 on keywords Meta resource on CFML docs Where do I get help (free & paid) Paid Tech support Adobe CF support programs Lucee support by individual companies like Rasia, Ortus etc. LAS donations for new features Third parties eg Charlie Arehart, Mike Collins Community support (free) ACF Adobe CF Forums community.coldfusion.com  Adobe CF Portal [email protected] (Free install support) Lucee Lucee Forum/Mailing list (Discourse) [email protected] (contact Lucee) Both CFML slack Limited retention of posts due to free version (paid would be many thousands of dollars due to per seat cost) Mixed up topics as many folks don’t use threads Linen exposes Slack content https://cfml.linen.dev Twitter Facebook CF programmers group Ortus Discord SlackOverflow Google searchable Used by Ganter analysts in programming language reports Tiobe index (supposedly rates “popularity” of languages) CF usually ranks poorly How it really works: “Basically the calculation comes down to counting hits for the search query +" programming" From https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_definition/  Conferences IntoTheBox (in-person and remote, in Sept) CF Summit (in-person and remote, in Oct) CFCamp (postponed again for 2022) Meta listing of them, with dates, locations, links https://www.cf411.com/cfconf How to find ACF and Lucee developers? Drive for new CF developers Bringing in other modern languages CFML training Meta resource of free CFML training resources ACF cert CFCasts.com YouTube Ortus Paid training: https://www.cf411.com/cftrainers Other CFML resources (meta resource of them): https://www.cf411.com/cfres Podcasts CF Alive Modernize or Die Working Code, with Adam Tuttle, Ben Nadel, Carol Hamilton, and Tim Cunningham Meta resource of podcasts CF Engine compatibility New features created by ACF and Lucee  Backward compatibility to prior versions Mentioned in this episode ACF and Lucee panel Part 1 episode ColdFusion at 25: More Modern than Most Realize ColdFusion Programmers FB group post about ACF and Lucee Adobe CF Docs Lucee Docs Facebook CF programmers group CFML slack Adobe CF Forums Adobe CF Portal Lucee Forum/Mailing list (Discourse) CFA Mark T episode on gigabytes of data  TryCFML Listen to the Audio Bio Charlie Arehart A veteran server troubleshooter who’s worked in enterprise IT for more than three decades, Charlie Arehart (@carehart) is a longtime community contributor who as an independent consultant provides short-term, remote, on-demand troubleshooting/tuning assistance for organizations of all sizes and experience levels (carehart.org/consulting). Links Twitter Facebook LinkedIn Web  Gert Franz Gert was born in 1967 and lives in Switzerland since 1997. He is one of the key people behind Lucee. Back in the late eighties he studied astrophysics in Munich but switched to later IT as a profession and programmed for several companies in the past as a database administrator and system analyst. Gert spoke a lot at all major conferences in the past and will for sure in the future. He is now a fellow at DistroKid. Links gert (at) rasia.ch http://rasia.ch/ Twitter LinkedIn Mark Drew Mark Drew has been programming CFML since 1996, and even though he has had forays into Perl, ASP and PHP he is still loving every line of code he has crafted with CFML.  He has been a strong advocate for open source, having worked on CFEclipse, Railo and now Lucee as well as a number of other projects. He tries to create a pull request a day, to keep the bugs at bay. By day he helps other developers as the lead DevOps engineer at DistroKid, ensuring that the carefully crafted artisanal code goes from laptop to server in the shortest time while keeping all its flavor. By night he develops games with CMD: Studio.  He has been known to do a podcast too! called the Localhost Podcast in which we talk all about the web. He also talks about the process of making games on the Level Design Podcast Links Twitter LinkedIn CFML Slack Mark (at) cmdhq.io https://anchor.fm/leveldesign https://localhost.fm/ Ben Nadel Ben Nadel is the technical co-founder of InVision App, Inc - a digital product design platform used to make the world's best customer experiences. As the original CTO, Ben now spends his days as a Principal Engineer, leading maintenance and development efforts on InVision's legacy platform. This includes systems monitoring, database optimization, instrumentation, back-end work, front-end work, product ideation, and research-and-development. He envisions himself as a champion of the User Experience; and, often advocates for the User even in the face of internal opposition. Outside of work hours, Ben wakes up at 5 am, seven days a week, so that he can attempt to stay on top of the rapidly changing world of web development. He uses these early-morning hours to read, conduct experiments, and write articles for his blog, BenNadel.com, which he has been running since 2006. Links Ben Nadel | LinkedIn Ben Nadel blog Interview Transcript Michaela Light 0:00 Welcome back to the show. I'm here with these amazing ColdFusion experts got Charlie Earhart, good friends, Ben Adele and Mark drew from all over the world got Charlie is in the middle of the United States in Kentucky Ben is in New Charlie Arehart 0:20 flyover country. Michaela Light 0:22 flyover country. Yeah, Ben is in the edge country on the East Coast in New York. Mark is joining us I think from London in the United Kingdom. He's probably got the queen in the background celebrating a jubilee with her cold fusion apps. Yeah, there she is. She can't come on camera right now. We'll bring him on. Come on. One of the corgis behind you. Mark Drew 0:45 They've eaten a little bit too much right now. Michaela Light 0:48 Yes. And good is joining us from the center of Europe. Which part of Europe are you in Switzerland or some other? The neutral one? The neutral one? Yes. That must be Gert Franz 0:58 allegedly neutral. Michaela Light 1:00 Yes. Allegedly. Yes. Mark Drew 1:02 Queen had tea with one of your compatriots this weekend. Paddington Bear from deepest, darkest Peru, which is Oh, Michaela Light 1:11 yes. Hope she served marmalade sandwiches. So Mark Drew 1:15 they did. The exactly did. He brought his own and she had one in her handbag, which I never knew about. Read more   Michaela Light is the host of the CF Alive Podcast and has interviewed more than 100 ColdFusion experts. In each interview, she asks "What Would It Take to make CF more alive this year?" The answers still inspire her to continue to write and interview new speakers. Michaela has been programming in ColdFusion for more than 20 years. She founded TeraTech in 1989. The company specializes in ColdFusion application development, security and optimization. She has also founded the CFUnited Conference and runs the annual State of the CF Union Survey.     Join the CF Alive revolution Discover how we can all make CF more alive, modern and secure this year. Join other ColdFusion developers and managers in the CF Alive Inner Circle today. Get early access to the CF Alive book and videos Be part of a new movement for improving CF's perception in the world. Contribute to the CF Alive revolution Connect with other CF developers and managers There is no cost to membership.