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Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Right, here we go then. Hey, what the actual fuckers and welcome to wtaf of this country podcast. Now first, he's the man who has just opened up his garden to the public for 50p a pop, which I think is disgusting as he lives in a flat and all he has is a window box, it's Neil.
I'm passing a pew's. I can vise for that. He goes to the top of your trousers. Not stuck in your teeth as I'm about to say.
You have to quell all of those rumours that we have. Sorry, I don't endorse them. It's because you turned vegetarian. No, never.
Now I guess this episode is the newest addition to this country family of class members. He's Kerry's sidekick at the dump gang at the dump, I should say, not the dump gang. Please welcome Griff, aka Gareth Williams. Hi there.
Hello, guys. Hi. So how are you finding this new fan fame? I'm loving it every moment all day.
Absolutely. Well, we can remember when we saw you at the preview screen and afterwards and we said, well, come here, I'm going to photograph. And I said to you, you've got to get used to this. You're going, why?
You're like, bless you. All this innocence that you didn't know what was going to happen. And we sort of said, you know, you're going to get a lot of people coming up to you asking for photographs and stuff like that. So is that happening now?
Because your episode, as we were recording this, was two weeks ago, I think, wasn't it? Yeah. So how has it been? Not too many at that time since the episode, but certainly, I mean, when I spoke to you at the screening, it was a fight to get to the bar.
And I like my dream. My wife couldn't believe the fact that people were stopping me and saying, can we have the selfie with you? And I couldn't believe it. But we've got standing ovations.
Yeah. You don't know what happened? Everybody was clapping you because I didn't realize you were in the audience. No.
And yeah, it's just been fantastic. But I mean, when I was in a series two, and I couldn't believe how many people just saw me and all I was doing was sitting in the waiting room. You were. I got recognized just from that.
Minor injuries. Yeah. So how did that come about first then? How did you get involved in minor injuries?
Right. I've been doing sort of outdoor amateur dramatics for all my life, really. And I think I'm a member of Cultural and Arcadians who perform at Haverock Castle School and do an outdoor Shakespeare every year. And I'm a member of them.
And I think the BBC just wrote to all the drama groups saying, you know, would any of your members like to audition? And I think 19 people applied from Arcadians? And I think three of us got cast. So with the fact that you had to just sit in a waiting room, why was your sitting better than 16 other people?
Is that what you have to do for the audition? Just sit there. No, no, no. We just talk about our experiences.
I was at the time currently studying drama at the University of Gloucestershire. I'd just been made redundant from financial services for 38 years. And I was living my dream. I was thoroughly enjoying the drama course.
And I've done a lot of theatre work, but my ambition now is to try and get into TV and film. And that was just amazing. And I couldn't believe it. About six months prior to the screening, I got an email from the crew saying, hi, remember us?
We'd like to give you a bigger part. I couldn't believe it. Wow. So going back to my new injuries then, how long were you on set?
Do you remember? Oh, that was three days. Really? Yeah.
I was in the lines and it's a very fluid show, isn't it? Yeah. And they do a lot of far more filming than is required. And I ended up just sitting there.
Because I think Tom said during the Q&A that there was like a subplot in minor injuries involving you and they had to cut it out. They just cut it out. Yeah. So can you remember what the...
No, no. It was just how long have we been there? Because I think in that one, Curtin's main... What he's trying to do is get to TK back.
Exactly. And he's desperate. He was going round asking everybody how long have you been there? And that was it.
Right. Okay. So I was going to say, so then you've got the call for this series. Yes.
And they offered you a bigger role. Yes. So how long were you on set for that one then? Oh, that was just two days.
Really? It was full on. And it was an incredible experience. And the thing is, one of my tutors at uni always said, I don't like filming or TV because there's a loss of repetition.
And I mean, we had one full day at the dump and one day where I was basically just driving up to the house, picking Kerry up and then driving her to work and then driving her back. And then the bits where I was in the lounge with her and Curtin was going through that letter that he just received from Suggs. So what the other people at the dump, which is the Fosse, the two of me? Yes.
Well, the other guys, they were all guys that work at the tip. Yes. Quite a lot. Yeah, well, employed extras, but they were about three or four who actually work at the tip.
Was the White Dennis Rodman one of them? Yes. That's the tip I go to. I don't recognize a couple of the guys there.
So when it came to actually, do they give you, I'm actually giving you like safety chats at the dump to make sure that you didn't wander away, you're supposed to not wander or pretty well sort of say for you. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that amazed me though, wasn't so much with the work at the dump.
It was more of a car that they go, right? Oh, well, what car was it? It was a Datsum Bluebird. It's sort of really ancient, but it was immaculate inside and they got it from some place in Kent.
I think there were several vehicles that they'd hired for this episode. And when they rang me up, they said, oh, can you drive? And I thought it was to get to the audition. Oh, right.
And I didn't realize, oh, can you drive on set? And they gave me this car. And I looked at it. You asked me if I could drive, but I hadn't driven the manual car for 20 years.
Oh, my God. And the gears were not very good on the old Datsum. But it must be quite a bit of pressure to drive on screen. Because you must have to hit marks and go certain places.
Yeah. And it was got, there was a packet, the thing I loved about it was that the level of detail, you didn't actually see what was in the car. However, the footwell was fag packet, copies of the sun, betting slips. And the thing I loved was there was a packet of melted munchies on the dashboard.
And then there was Chris Brappers on the back shelf and everything. And everything was filmed, right? I'd tell the photograph so that when we came back two weeks later for the dump, it was back in and it was incredible. The level of detail that goes into these things.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you don't actually see it. So did you get a copy of the script then? Everything I said was actually improvised.
That was it? Yes. Yeah, they didn't give me an actual copy of the script. But saying that, there were lots of bits that were cut.
I was quite pleased with after Curtin stormed out and said, I'm tearing off. And there was that lid between me and Kerry saying, yeah, what we're going to do now then? Because he refused to go, should we go for a Chinese? Right.
And or go for an Italian or all that bit was cut. But I actually, she said something, oh, we make a really good team. And I said, oh, yeah, the 18. And I don't know if you had to remember the 18.
Oh, yeah, very well. Well, Kerry hadn't heard of the 18. And I think there was some problem with the fact that I mentioned the 18, which was on ITV or something. Oh, right.
And then that got cut. Oh, right. But when Kerry signed her book, because I went to a book signing, and she put the 18, which I was chuffed around because I thought of that. And she had obviously struck a chord with her because she went off and researched it.
So the other people in your unicores, what did they think about the fact that they're studying to be actors? And then here comes Gareth. He's already been on TV twice. Well, they've been a bit jealous.
I think they probably are, but they're very proud of me. I'm good. Yeah, I've got lots of feedback. And I think, yeah, I'm still waiting to hear from one of my tutors.
I wasn't going to see what she thinks. Right. What constructive criticism you're waiting for. Yeah.
I mean, I've got a really good review. I've got a comedy critic called Steve Bennett. And he and Chorsel made a very good comment, which I've asked him if I can use. And he says, yeah, fine.
Because it says he's the almost world-less with play by local character Gareth Williams. Stole every scene where he was mentioned. Yeah. And so I'm pleased with that.
There you go. I just need an agent. There you go. Absolutely.
So you say you're doing some drama, the Hotherick Castle. Obviously, take on the bigger roles that you've doing that now, if that's where you're heartlines. I like small roles. Right.
Particularly I'm getting on a bit. It's harder to learn the lines these days. And also, I mean, I have played somebody like Prospero in The Tempest. I've played full staff in Hemida 4th and things like that.
But now I like the small roles. And also, you get a chance to develop the character a lot more. I mean, I'm never going to be a romantic lead, am I? Never know.
I love character roles. So as an actor, did you sort yourself out a background role for Grief? Did you work out where he went and where he came from and stuff like that? Yes, yes.
And I had a brilliant inspiration because when I turned up for the audition, I was asked to the following two days later to bring in a present for Daisy, from my character Grief to her character. And I had this brilliant inspiration of, as you know, if she supports Women's Town, then it's the name is the Robins. And I went to Bristol City, who are also called the Robins. And there's a rivalry between the two.
And I bought Kerry a badge, Bristol City badge. So it wasn't a nice present then. Yes, it was because my character says, like it says in the script, a simple beast. Right.
I thought I was doing her a big favour because at that stage, I had a relationship with Daisy. And we just looked up to her and she was somebody who was nice to me. My character, very simple, bit backward. And I thought I was doing her a really big favour.
And the badge had a Robin on it. And I had to present it to her. And we presented it to her in the kitchen. And she was lovely.
It was incredible. In Daisy's character as well. I said, I've got a present for you. And I said, close your eyes.
Hold your hands out. And I call she, hold your hands out. Bloody big fish. It was just this little badge.
But yeah, and she loved it. And I think, yeah, they thought it was really... That got you the part. That got you the part.
Yeah. Yeah. So what is your favourite memory of the recording of that episode? I think just the, like I say, the level of detail, the fact that I had three women fussing over me doing my hands.
And like I say, there's a lot of repetition there. And for that part where Curtin was telling Kerry off, and I had to just play with my hands. And of course it was the over dirty hands. And I had to clean them off.
And so I had several tapes where I needed my hands dirty again. The makeup artist. Yeah. But I had three women fussing over.
I was not tonight. You were looking forward to your steak and peppercorn sauce. Yeah. You got back from my heart days.
Yeah. So were you a fan of the show? Did you watch the show before you applied to the second series? Yes.
Somebody had recommended I watched it because I loved it. And I said, yeah, great. I do love it. There are certain parts that you, it's like Marmite.
Some people don't like it at all. And sometimes it makes you actually cringe. And I mean, I think, you know, Mandy's tattoos. I'm not a judge.
You just think, oh no. And there are characters like that out there. Yeah. Yeah.
So yeah. I put a poll up, I think, a couple of days after the episode, saying who was the best wingman? Was it Griff? Or was it Dan Greaves from Series Two, who was Martin McClough's mate on the building site?
Right. And it was weird how on Twitter, Griff won quite convincingly. And on Facebook, Dan won quite convincingly. So I think when you've added them together, it's pretty much even.
Yeah. But it always seems to me that Griff, like you say, is a bit of a gentle giant. He is. He's somebody that's going to look after Kerry.
Although it does seem to me like Kerry is definitely the boss. Oh, Kerry is definitely the boss. Yeah. And I said, you know, I chuck things in containers.
She tells me the chuck things in container. Yeah. You're the muscle. Yeah.
She's the brains in the muscle, which to be fair, if Kerry is the brains. You're fucked up. There was one thing that we did. Oh, I had to chuck a load of stuff into a container while Kerry lent on one of the containers and talked about curtain and that actually got cut.
Oh, right. And I felt sorry because I have worked my balls off. Chucking this stuff in. They're leaving thinking about that.
The props guy, poor props guy, was climbing into the skit to throw it back out. And then we do it again. And yeah, that was a lot of hard work. And it got cut.
But that's the way of it is. So how much do you think out of the two days that you worked? Yeah. And so how many hours a day would that have been that you were shooting from?
Oh, from we started sort of nine o'clock in the morning till five o'clock at night. Oh, right. So it brought proper working day. Oh, yeah.
So there's a lot of stuff that they think that would have been kind of. But then there's also a lot of stuff. Like I said, I was driving up and down the road and doing it over and over again. And you say you've got to hit a mark and it was one time I'd honked the horn twice.
And somebody came out and said, don't honk the horn twice. Just do it once. And I think in the end, it was the one way I did it twice that was included. Did you have any chat with the people that live in the village that live in North Leats?
Not really, no. There is a notorious woman who doesn't like the series. As we have heard. Yeah.
There were two guys up from London, actors, one of which actually played the dump boss, Paul. Right. He was down and they took us on a tour of North Leats, including the church. And we came out of the church and all of a sudden they just turned around and said, no, walk back up this way because there was this woman.
Oh, really? Yeah. So did you get to hang with all the cast? So it was like Paul, everybody like that?
You're all together there and able to hang out? Yeah. I mean, I love a vehicle. I wasn't involved with him this series.
But when we did minor injuries, he said to me, what can I do? At lunch time, I said go to the church. It's got a famous stained glass window. I just heard that and he loved it.
And when I was auditioning, he turned up and he remembered that I was the guy who told him to go to the church to look at the stained glass window. And I think what certainly Daisy and Charlie appreciated, because when we were sitting in the waiting room for hours, we were just sort of chatting. And it was nice that Daisy and Charlie could talk to a local because a lot of the extras are from London or from elsewhere. And Daisy was able to say, oh, where do you drink?
And so we were able to talk about its own sister. Right. So that's one thing that I think stuck in their mind when they were thinking of me. So as somebody that then shakes me, I've probably asked every actor that we've ever had any same question.
But what's the process for learning lines? Because especially something like Shakespeare, I always find it fascinating on anybody because it's like a different language. Yeah. So how do you go about learning that kind of role?
The thing is with Shakespeare, it's easy to a certain extent. It depends. If you've got the Iambic pentameter, the dumb, the dumb, the dumb, the dumb, the dumb, the dumb, the dumb, the dumb. If you've got one of those, which Shakespeare play is that?
Because if that's the lyrics, I've got the words. I've got the one, the dumb. But we are in Juliet. Right.
So my only loves one, some of my only hope to only see in the known two. I predict your worth of love, it is to me that I must love a lo-fi-da-da-na-me. Now you wouldn't deliver it like that. But that's how you learn it.
Right. And I, like I say, I struggle with learning lines these days. And it is just a question of repetition. I used to, when I lived in Swindon, it would take me half an hour to walk to the pub.
I put my lines on the tape and I just listened to them while I'm walking to the pub. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Every time. And then, you know, you would either cut lines for or learn them with the other person. And then just keep doing it. And then it sinks in.
All the actors all make it sing so very, very simple. But it just, yeah, it just, when you see actors doing Shakespeare on TV or on a play, I'm just mesmerised, any kind of theatre acting. Because with TV and film, like you say, you can break it up and repetition. But when it's a one-shot thing like theatre or a play, I don't know how they do it.
No. I just don't know how it is. It's a completely amazing scale. Yeah.
It really is. It's hard work. I think the other thing is, I think about people calling me Griff. They call me Griff all the time.
Right. Right. I think that was another thing. But what happened was I worked in financial services for 38 years.
I was sent down to Shenfield in Essex. My name's Gareth and I'm proud of my Welsh heritage. And in Essex, there were a lot of galleys. Right.
Okay. And I hate being called Gary. Right. But I just stood up.
I slammed my fist on the desk and said, that is it. Nobody calls me Gary. You can call me Gareth. You can call me anything you like.
You know, that bastard. I just don't call me Gareth. Right. Gary.
And they said, oh, well, what can we call you Griff? And I said, yeah, I love Griff. And I used to sign birthday cards and Christmas cards, you know, for colleagues in the office. And just, and so that was my name.
Right. Okay. So Griff is a character that Daisy and Charlie came to. No.
They were going to call me Kevin or something. Right. Right. What would you have done if you don't know the thing and see your name was Gary?
What would you have done if they said no? It's not negotiable. I'm afraid of names, Gary. And that's what it's going to be.
Would you have said I don't want the part? No. It would have been too good to miss. I couldn't turn it down.
Yeah. I just love the whole experience and I'm so grateful for it. It's just a shame for me that I'm only in one episode and there's not going to be any more. You just got in there and that's it.
That's it. Well, that's a Christmas special. I mean, if I do a Christmas special, please Daisy, Charlie. Or turn your hands right and write your own spin off.
The further adventures of Greg. I think there was somebody commented following my episode where they were saying, oh, on Facebook, there was a lot of speculation as to whether I was going to appear again. Right. And somebody commented in the last episode, they said that Greg finds out it was Kerry who gobbed him in and went on a killing spree.
That's a different thing. Yeah. Yeah, that's a dark show there. Yeah.
I think it could be if you don't call me Gary. That's not the name of the show. Don't call me Gary. Don't call me Gary.
You can then go on another killing spree. That's all you're going to do is just go on killing spree. It's quite sad though because Gary has died out, hasn't it? The name Gary has literally gone though.
I hope. Yeah, you do that. It's generational, isn't it? Yeah.
But it's like it's the first time that there wasn't one registered or there's been like two years of nobody being registered called Gary in the whole of the UK. So they've officially declared it a defunct name. There you go. That includes Essex.
Oh, there's always be Gary's. Even the girls are called Gary and Essex. They are. Right, we're going to play a little game.
Right. Are you ready? We're going to play Carry or Curtain. I'm going to give you a line of dialogue.
You need to tell me if it's Kerry or Curtain that said it. Right. Okay. It's not a episode.
No, this will be in any of the episodes. It's a 50-50. You've got to know just how to guess. I can already just ready for the correct answers.
Number one. What sort of dog do you think that is? Is that Kerry or Curtain? Kerry.
That was Curtain. Oh. In the peeping time episode talking to Kaylee on the bench. Oh, right.
I'm so sorry. But is it all right if you leave my house? Kerry. That is Kerry.
Talking to Sophie in Random Acts of Kindness. Number four. When someone says Mornin, who doesn't say it back? Kerry.
That was Curtain. In Steam Fair when Little Red Riding Twat ignores him in the field as they pass each other. And number five, I basically pissed 200 pounds up the wall in the space of a few hours on virtual nothingness. That's Kerry.
Well done. Steam Fair sending a go. Two out of five. That's reasonable.
That is reasonable. Thank you. That's all right. That's not reasonable.
Now have you seen the whole of Series 3? Or just the answer? I've seen, I only saw the driving instructor at the preview and since they were the only two. So you and I like everybody else and the fact that you've got no idea what is happening for the next four episodes?
No. So what would you like to see happen in the next four episodes? Apart from Griff obviously getting his own series. I want to see more of Kerry's dad.
Right? Yeah. Which I think is known as the secret. He's the most important in this on Facebook.
He's even put that. You will see some of him in the next episode next week on episode three. Yeah. Yeah.
You will see. She's supposed to scare everyone. Yeah. It's the one in the driving instructor when she leans.
Oh yeah. Terrified. Yeah. She doesn't need to say anything.
She doesn't need to say anything. It's just the breaking of the case. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Anything else you'd like to see happen? I'd like the four two. We all.
Wouldn't we all. Yeah. So what about you next then? I'm crazy.
I'm crazy. That's all right. I'm all going to ride. So what about what next for you in there?
Is there any acting on the horizon? At the moment. No. I've got to get myself an agent.
I've just sent off a load of emails to casting directors today. But whether or not that's the right way to approach things. But it's just a question of following a couple of stones into a pond and watch the ripples go. Yeah.
Hopefully something will buy it. Yeah. So you're happy to do theatre and TV and film or would you rather do TV and film? I don't.
I'm too old now. I'm happily married. I'm happy in the house. Yeah.
I don't really want to go off and spend month storing. Yeah. But if you know, Peaky Blinders will be nice. I love Peaky Blinders.
Yeah. And to be fair, Daniel Craig is just finishing his bond. So I mean, that role is coming up. Well, no, I'd like a Bond villain.
A Bond villain. A Bond villain, yes. I mean, they're going to redo it. They're obviously going to have a new Bond.
Yeah. It's a shame Game of Thrones is finished. That would be another one. They are doing the prequel series.
Yeah. That's the best to be coming up. I mean, my stage combat tutor at work at uni said, you know, you're big enough, you're ugly enough, you'll get work. Yeah.
Is that like the key to it? Is the fact that if you look to uniform, then you tend to like, you wouldn't get parts where there's something a bit unique about you. Yes. That's the sort of thing that people are looking for.
Yeah. And that's it. I mean, like I said, I like playing villains and, you know, my, I thought years ago in 1976, I had cancer and I really wanted, I was just on my way to grammar school and that put the end to that. I've 93, I've had my jewelry constructed and I don't look normal, but I can use my disfigurement to my advantage.
Yeah. Yeah. And that's it. I was at uni.
I was 60. There were everybody else was 20, 21 when they finished, right? All looking perfectly normal. Some looking absolutely cracking.
Yeah. Yeah. And yet it's going to be hard for them to get jobs because there's so many other people. Yeah.
You get somebody who's my age coming onto the market. Hopefully that's what other people will be looking at. And I look unique. Can I suppose if you're casting director or you're looking through photo after photo after photo?
If it's somebody when you look at the photo, they're unique, they got a unique look. Yeah. That's the thing that's going to stick in their mind. Yeah.
And how was it going? No. You were age when you were there. I loved it.
Really? I loved the tutors like me because I was always there. Yeah. I was never late to any lecture.
And people were saying, you know, we like having you here. And I say, not as much as I like being here. I spent 38 years working in financial services. The last 12 I hated.
Right. And they were the sort of place that would break down your creativity. You were expected to become a normal person. Yeah.
And I'm a creative person. I love the arts. I love being in a creative environment. So it's great to be in here.
This is cool. This is cool. We do as create mayhem. I don't know if anything else that we create.
I don't know. Anything else? No, I think not. So I think it's fascinating.
The fact that it's taking this long and just at the start of your journey of it all. Yeah. Which is quite exciting. I can imagine that.
Oh, yes. A bit nervous. It's scary. It is very scary.
Particularly not knowing. And I applied to be on spotlight and they rejected me and said, oh, sorry. We don't accept university. We lost the show as a credit course.
And you've got to go and get four jobs before we'll even think of putting you on there. Right. And so that was quite a bit of a knock. So does this country count as one job or the other?
Yeah. One job. Right. One day three to go.
So when they say jobs, they talk in professional jobs. You can't be student films or adverts or walk on parts. Yeah. You can't be one of the extras.
Yeah. So it's tough. Yeah. Beaky blinders, Game of Thrones pre-colon, James Bond.
Yeah. There's a free ad list. And then you can go and I don't need you now. He's like, who sucks to you?
Well, I can say as best as we were joining. Absolutely. I'm going to share any agents listening, then email us or get hold of a griff. Yeah.
And don't call him Gary, obviously. Yeah. That's just an epistle muff. Unless you want him to be really angry and as peace.
Yeah. And go on another murder spree. We don't think it's fair. It's going to do.
If the lovely talk to you, man, you've been fascinated. Really, really. It's been fascinating. Thank you very much.
Enjoy all the selfies that you're going to have and enjoy forever being griff in all the dump gang people's hearts because you are now going to be that gentle giant that always looks after Gary that Gary ended up like, what? Stick in there. You know, you've been really sorting you out. But thank you so much for joining us, mate.
You're so much fun to do. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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